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Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.18 20:59:00 - [511]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Edited by: Mynxee on 18/06/2010 20:11:59
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.

I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.

Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..

Christ, this is getting bad. CSM is supposed to be for bringing suggestions and issues from the players to CCP. What you're thinking of is more likely to be IA, or Internal Affairs.

Your tinfoil hat is getting pretty oversized.



Actually Marlona is essentially correct. Although its role has evolved to focus more on player raised issues,

Quote:
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the “greatest good for the greater player base”. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe.


This text was taken from the CSM Summary written by CCP Xhagen. The way I interpret it, demanding transparency from CCP related to suspected CCP wrong-doing in-game is still within the CSM's charter. If CCP doesn't report to players about "6NJgate" Laughing before next week's Summit, I'm sure CSM will be asking questions. Whether we get answers--or can share them--or are able to convince CCP to do so--remains to be seen.




/me tips hat, which surprisingly, is not made out of tinfoil

Orthosz
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.06.18 21:30:00 - [512]
 

I'd like to throw this onto the fire:

After Y8R fell without a single reinforcement timer (Ihub in system, station system), the GM's told WI that it was indeed an error, shouldn't have happened, and to **** off because they weren't going to fix it as it would affect alliance warfare.

Has that policy of "**** happens, deal with it" changed? Or does it change only when CCP feels like it depending on who's fighting?

Zakon
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.18 21:48:00 - [513]
 

Originally by: CCP Adida
removed some trolling


Maybe u guys in CCP should concentrate and use more time in removing bugs from this game instead off playing editors on forums?

Game issues are getting more and more embarrassing.

Nice new copy paste/spawn Titan feature in game between!

FU10011101
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:16:00 - [514]
 

so i was trolling when i told what SC and theyre pals are? or TRI and all other bitter people? i have been fighting these same bitter people for years and still they cant get anything done. must be frustrating.. NC will always stay and your ego will shrink even more.

Xcessum
Caldari
War Tactical Groups
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:39:00 - [515]
 

Edited by: Xcessum on 18/06/2010 22:43:46
I'm just going to leave it here for those of you who are interested in what the hell happened in 6nj (and are familiar with Russian language).

Link to Russian EVE-O forum: Linkage

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:53:00 - [516]
 

Let me try to summarize:

NC attacked a POS in Venal. Sneaky russians (and serbs to give props to Co2 even I despise them after todays wc-match where our trusty polish err I mean german lineup failed like LIONS) thought that the NC would bring their new fotm roaming titans and therefore laid a TARP. Which was pretty cool.

Bait worked. NC jumped in. Counterdrop logged/jumped in. NC went OhSHI- and tried to bail out. Two titans never loaded grid and therefore died in a fire.

4 more titans actually loaded and jumped out to their emergency-cyno in A-A. The server is getting ****tier while all this is happening. The titans who managed to get out log out/crash. Server goes :ccp: and kicks all the caps that jumped out including the supers back to 6NJ in order to get killed.

So far so bad. Now things calm down. People go to sleep. After serverdowntime a true NC-hero (read: carebear) decides that plexing in Venal is fun and starts to scan in A-A in his super-pve-tengu and is surprised that Guristas started to spawn Supercaps.

NC scrambles to the system and boards EVERYTHING that doesn't manage to log out in time (a special pilot from WE FORM VOLTRON is obviously still to harmed by the incident to speak about it, which is very understandable).

While all this is happening Vuk Lau (mighty leader of NC and isn't afraid of anything) starts to troll the **** out of CAOD and gets plenty of replies by extremely (and I am amazed of the amount) bitter people, that somehow seem to have a gripe with the NC. He probably manages to get filthy richier than he already is by exploiting all his little NC-drones by trolling people into bets. Official statement by a GM is made that basically confirms the story and bans Vuk from the forums in a real kugu-move.

:GG: I am amazed.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.06.18 22:57:00 - [517]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 18/06/2010 22:57:45
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


I fail to see the words "Kill mails were generated". All I read is affirmation, the ships that were 'killed'. The members of this elite set of dead ships includes super-capitals.

Thanks for your attempted spin mr goonie 'NC alty-mc-faulty' clue. Back to whatever failure low sec bombing of towers and diaf to 10 frigates or whatever is is you're doing.


C4w3
Minmatar
Corp 1 Allstars
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.18 23:05:00 - [518]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Josiphine Noir

You would know what rats smell like now that you're back down in delve killing them right?


Nope, sorry. All the rats have moved to Curse.



C im there killing em <3 summer love from SE.

Thorir
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:11:00 - [519]
 

I don't really care whether NC gets their titan back or not.

Just posting to put pressure on CCP to investigate this with transparency.

I guess they have to stop advertising the massive fleet battle aspect of the game, e.g. shown in Dominion trailer.

Ilene D'over
Amarr
Tax Free Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:17:00 - [520]
 

I love how IT, COW, Atlas, etc, are all sniping from the sidelines, having run away from the North, licking their wounds.

Congrats to WN/Ruskies for a well laid trap and kudos to the NC for using their supercapitals in a fight.

Hyperdallas
Caldari
Zor Industries
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:28:00 - [521]
 

Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:37:01
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:34:12
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:32:03
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:28:54
CCP, look...


The players of eve wants you to STOP ADDING NEW STUFF TO GAME AND MAKING IT MORE BUGGY,


And just please fix it, with this lag, so called " data base issue bull**** " And even upgrade your hardware AND FIX eve code to allow to have 1k players in 1 system at a time, even you know eve will automaticaly notice this system exampe hed-gp start rising in activity and give to more threads, more cpu power what ever the **** you do for that, OR pay 1 person to be a human controling this stuff 24/7


Thank you wiki
Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[3]

You have 5 million profit in 2008 and even more i can assume in 2009, ALL we ask is for you to provide a game for us that is playable, even sometimes systems with 8 ppl is lagging like hell... once again that comes into you need to fix this game and stop blaiming database issues.

now i purpose new servers as last time was 2007? Better managment of server - player code


To all who agree hopefully we can start a peition to tell ccp to stop ****ing up and listen to the players, after all we are the ones that spends our life playing a game we love..


SO RECAP


Make eve able to run on MULTIABLE processors ( dual 8 core) but your ****ty code not able to do it
FIX IT
STOP ADDING NEW EXPANSIONS WHICH **** THE GAME MORE
STOP GIVING BULL**** ANSWERS SAYING " DATABASE ISSUES "
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code

thats all hapar had to say and deal with all my typos because i could not good 2 ****s =)


** HI MOM **

Cyrus Doul
Caldari
E0 Corp
Innovia Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:52:00 - [522]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Edited by: Spurty on 18/06/2010 22:57:45
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


I fail to see the words "Kill mails were generated". All I read is affirmation, the ships that were 'killed'. The members of this elite set of dead ships includes super-capitals.

Thanks for your attempted spin mr goonie 'NC alty-mc-faulty' clue. Back to whatever failure low sec bombing of towers and diaf to 10 frigates or whatever is is you're doing.




Go to killboards. all six are posted, and unless someone got REALLY bored writing up six 150+ aggressor kms and faked the API verification on at least one of them they all happened.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.19 00:54:00 - [523]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.

Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.

CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?

Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.19 01:11:00 - [524]
 

Originally by: Greg DaimYo
Let me try to summarize:

NC attacked a POS in Venal. Sneaky russians (and serbs to give props to Co2 even I despise them after todays wc-match where our trusty polish err I mean german lineup failed like LIONS) thought that the NC would bring their new fotm roaming titans and therefore laid a TARP. Which was pretty cool.

Bait worked. NC jumped in. Counterdrop logged/jumped in. NC went OhSHI- and tried to bail out. Two titans never loaded grid and therefore died in a fire.

4 more titans actually loaded and jumped out to their emergency-cyno in A-A. The server is getting ****tier while all this is happening. The titans who managed to get out log out/crash. Server goes :ccp: and kicks all the caps that jumped out including the supers back to 6NJ in order to get killed.

So far so bad. Now things calm down. People go to sleep. After serverdowntime a true NC-hero (read: carebear) decides that plexing in Venal is fun and starts to scan in A-A in his super-pve-tengu and is surprised that Guristas started to spawn Supercaps.

NC scrambles to the system and boards EVERYTHING that doesn't manage to log out in time (a special pilot from WE FORM VOLTRON is obviously still to harmed by the incident to speak about it, which is very understandable).

While all this is happening Vuk Lau (mighty leader of NC and isn't afraid of anything) starts to troll the **** out of CAOD and gets plenty of replies by extremely (and I am amazed of the amount) bitter people, that somehow seem to have a gripe with the NC. He probably manages to get filthy richier than he already is by exploiting all his little NC-drones by trolling people into bets. Official statement by a GM is made that basically confirms the story and bans Vuk from the forums in a real kugu-move.

:GG: I am amazed.


i for one want to know what you call this fantasy land where you lose a slab of your sc fleet due to your own poor choices/fcing yet attempt to damage control it by blaming it on anything but yourselves and assuming ccp will let these respawned titans live, then you believe you are the ones "trolling" people despite this.

"Vuk Lau > stay away from public forums for the next little while"

he really has always thought himself smarter than the rest of you and had he not he would have listend to his own rules.

if vuk wants this game fixed so badly, so that its playable rather than winnable... he knows how to do it. the solution does not involve crying to ccp or pretending that csms get anything done.

predicitons: nothing will change.

lemmings will be lemmings and your coalitions will continue to think they are hot ****, while in fact just being ****.

and thats how to gg someone on the forums.

Crucifier
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.06.19 01:15:00 - [525]
 

kinda funny that if the titans do get removed it will only be because vuk couldnt resist posting here

Dogbeast
Minmatar
Darkwave Technologies
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.06.19 03:23:00 - [526]
 

Hasn't the lag been a known issue for a long time? And CCP has yet to do anything about it other than "mass testing." So what makes people think CCP will do anything now?

And as a side note: I recall CVA/Allies doing something similar to this down in D-G, only they did not get anything back from petitions and were told to "suck it up."

Nambr1
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.19 03:32:00 - [527]
 

Originally by: LadyScarlet
lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.

Lady :)


GoGoGo Lady, u have Velja support :D


Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation – the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


What r u talking about? Database problems, investigation .... all crap. Do u as GM understand one simple thing ... there r only 2 situations that can happen, and NONE in this game dont care what is UR problem, because ppl pay this game.

Situation 1:
I have crap pc or crap internet and I loose ship. That is my problem.

Situation 2:
I have good pc, good internet and I have terrible lag with 999 ppl. Same result to any1. Database problems? Investigations? Superman? Who cares? Its UR problem because u and ur team are not able to make this game to work well, and only fools cant see that u r ones who make lag. U developed game thats going bad road, u r offering with every patch more and more pure crap that can satisfy ppl 10 days till they ask themselves what r u ppl doing. I have telephone operator from 1980, that gives better service to ppl then u r. Its technology 30 years old, and u 7 years upgrade game with moons, planets, stations walking, ping pong in stations ... and cant provide basic things. I have corpmate who made petition for ark mission bug, GM reseted something 10 times in 2 mins on him, he lost 2 ships for that and result was nothing ... "Sorry but I cant help you". So everything that is not problem with my pc, OS, internet is ur problem and if u give back ships to some ppl, give them back to all from start of the game or dont give them back to anyone. This sup caps loses have no difference as lost ship in mission, killing ppl in 0.0 from other who r not visible in local, ppl who cant warpout 100km away from bubble while none point them and tones other things that happen every day in system with 20 ppl. Investigations and bla bla bla is biggest fake and cheat that u CCP could make. Yep ... cheat and lie because its all happening on ur side of game, not clients. Shame for answers like this one u make, thats repeating 7 years!

Josiphine Noir
Amarr
Pelican.
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.19 03:36:00 - [528]
 

Edited by: Josiphine Noir on 19/06/2010 03:37:31
Edited by: Josiphine Noir on 19/06/2010 03:37:08
Originally by: Nambr1
-stuff-

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation – the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.


What r u talking about? Database problems, investigation .... all crap. Do u as GM understand one simple thing ... there r only 2 situations that can happen, and NONE in this game dont care what is UR problem, because ppl pay this game.

Situation 1:
I have crap pc or crap internet and I loose ship. That is my problem.

Situation 2:
I have good pc, good internet and I have terrible lag with 999 ppl. Same result to any1. Database problems? Investigations? Superman? Who cares? Its UR problem because u and ur team are not able to make this game to work well, and only fools cant see that u r ones who make lag. U developed game thats going bad road, u r offering with every patch more and more pure crap that can satisfy ppl 10 days till they ask themselves what r u ppl doing. I have telephone operator from 1980, that gives better service to ppl then u r. Its technology 30 years old, and u 7 years upgrade game with moons, planets, stations walking, ping pong in stations ... and cant provide basic things. I have corpmate who made petition for ark mission bug, GM reseted something 10 times in 2 mins on him, he lost 2 ships for that and result was nothing ... "Sorry but I cant help you". So everything that is not problem with my pc, OS, internet is ur problem and if u give back ships to some ppl, give them back to all from start of the game or dont give them back to anyone. This sup caps loses have no difference as lost ship in mission, killing ppl in 0.0 from other who r not visible in local, ppl who cant warpout 100km away from bubble while none point them and tones other things that happen every day in system with 20 ppl. Investigations and bla bla bla is biggest fake and cheat that u CCP could make. Yep ... cheat and lie because its all happening on ur side of game, not clients. Shame for answers like this one u make, thats repeating 7 years!


Holy Wall of text batman!! also U mad?

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.19 04:01:00 - [529]
 

Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi
One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.

Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.

CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?

Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.


Marlona, ты мне нравишся, но если бы ты не отвечала в форуме на русском, я бы присоединился к R.ol.



I don't speak Russian but maybe one of my Russian mates could translate for me. Embarassed

Minmatar Assassin
Minmatar
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2010.06.19 05:35:00 - [530]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi
One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.

Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.

CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?

Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.


Marlona, ты мне нравишся, но если бы ты не отвечала в форуме на русском, я бы присоединился к R.ol.



I don't speak Russian but maybe one of my Russian mates could translate for me. Embarassed


Marlona i like you, but if you could not respond on forums in Russian i would join R.OL.


Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.19 06:04:00 - [531]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi
One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.


Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.


I think you're over analyzing it. The GM doesn't adress the original problem at all from our pov and as such he might just be expressing himself clumsily.

Anyways, I don't think you understand the problem. Those titans are irrelevant in this. It's 3-4 Titans and a dozen MS or however many MS it is. I don't know. They can be rebuilt.

The problem is that CCP has had this problem for over 6 months and been covering it up like they always do. Those silly ****s CCP are at it again with their Communist party release as little information as possible so we dont look stupid and hope it goes away policy. They have absolutely zilch idea of what consistent gameplay and making eve-online a believable IG universe means. It's horrendously dissapointing to be here again.

Lee ChanKa
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.19 06:24:00 - [532]
 

i still want to buy that Monkey cloaking device, finishing amar frig on lev 5 in 22 hours because damn ppl in south tank explosive so i cant use hounds ffs..


GM Gandalf contact me in game please

regard
lee aka ewqi

AND FIX ****ING ANGEL EPIC ARC MISSIONS

Del Girl
Gallente
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.19 07:02:00 - [533]
 

What sort of messed up code is there in this game that respawns things when they have been destroyed?

That's some awesome coding for sure!

lol ccp

Del

Nardman
Amarr
FireStar Inc
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.19 07:27:00 - [534]
 

Originally by: Hyperdallas
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:37:01
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:34:12
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:32:03
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:28:54
CCP, look...


The players of eve wants you to STOP ADDING NEW STUFF TO GAME AND MAKING IT MORE BUGGY,


And just please fix it, with this lag, so called " data base issue bull**** " And even upgrade your hardware AND FIX eve code to allow to have 1k players in 1 system at a time, even you know eve will automaticaly notice this system exampe hed-gp start rising in activity and give to more threads, more cpu power what ever the **** you do for that, OR pay 1 person to be a human controling this stuff 24/7


Thank you wiki
Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[3]

You have 5 million profit in 2008 and even more i can assume in 2009, ALL we ask is for you to provide a game for us that is playable, even sometimes systems with 8 ppl is lagging like hell... once again that comes into you need to fix this game and stop blaiming database issues.

now i purpose new servers as last time was 2007? Better managment of server - player code


To all who agree hopefully we can start a peition to tell ccp to stop ****ing up and listen to the players, after all we are the ones that spends our life playing a game we love..


SO RECAP


Make eve able to run on MULTIABLE processors ( dual 8 core) but your ****ty code not able to do it
FIX IT
STOP ADDING NEW EXPANSIONS WHICH **** THE GAME MORE
STOP GIVING BULL**** ANSWERS SAYING " DATABASE ISSUES "
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code
Fix code

thats all hapar had to say and deal with all my typos because i could not good 2 ****s =)


** HI MOM **


Agreed. Eve has become bloated with "features" and can no longer support it's own weight. It's similar to stories you hear about extremely obese people who keep eating and eating until get so fat they can no longer move under their own power and then eventually die because they are so unhealthy.

Sidzo
Minmatar
SRBI
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.06.19 08:28:00 - [535]
 

If all of NC C/SC was in lag who the f**k shoot on our titan?
I have logs of damage made by NC Titans and MS's ( if you wanna to see, i will post )
Also there was 16 NC titans and 10 MS. At last 3 titans was primary when fight starting and they warp out/jump out because they didn't was tackled, and they newer show up on field again.
Also our titans warp from battle 3x,switch ammo,5 times use dd,not so much lag.
I was i fight where lags was 10 times bigger,so NC speaking about this fight only because they get in trap and lost SC.
If they got ONE SINGLE SHIP back than any of us can ask for same ,because every fleet fight in EVE is laggy .

PS.sry for bad English

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Drama Flakes
Posted - 2010.06.19 08:59:00 - [536]
 

So, from a technical perspective...

There are "database issues". It sounds to me like one of two things possibly happened.

1 - Massive server errors cause duplicate records in the database for the ship, which should be hideously impossible as that requires two items to have the same Key value. (This assumes ships in eve are in one DB or table or whatnot.) During routine downtime integrity checks, it "fails over" to the record most safe from a "oh crap" standpoint... it chooses the one that preserves the item. (This is probably to avoid mass-deletions from things like "oops, malformed field...")

2- The server and the client disagreed about the status of the database entry which is the ship. (MMOs are mostly glorified databases interfaces.) For some reason, the server decided to go with the client version. (The server doesn't quite experience lag the same way... so I don't think it ever has "grid loading" issues in the same manner we do.) So, the server has the ships present, and pushes that information to the clients. Except the lagged clients don't get it. Poof.

Of the 2, the first one scares me a little. It means that it could, theoretically, be possible to recreate the extremely laggy circumstances and instead of blowing up ships and having them reappear later, you could jump ships around and force duplication (which would of course be an exploit of a bug).

Or, maybe, there's a third option... they rolled back a part of the database, but not another part of it. I've seen 30+ minutes of intense, mostly lag free combat erased and reset to the starting point following a node death. Maybe only part of the node got dead.

I dunno. Still, this needs fixing by CCP to get the lag monster back into the freaking cage of reasonable.

Robert Ger
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:25:00 - [537]
 

i have a simple idea of this..




NC lost ships . end transmisson

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:37:00 - [538]
 

Originally by: Robert Ger
i have a simple idea of this..




NC lost ships . end transmisson


Yep. I have no idea why there is a discussion at all.

Others lost supercaps also in totally bugged system, they never got their ships back afterwards either.

You lose ships in fleet battle -> ship is gone. Lag or no lag. That was how it always was. Except for one or two incidencts where the NC got reimbursed.

Strange that it is always the NC.

soulkiller3
Minmatar
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:37:00 - [539]
 

Ein Spiegel sounds like the local node desynced with the database, database jump the titans out but the local node keeped them in the system, so when downtime came alone the the node reset the titans real localtion and reappered where they should of been, ie where they jumped out

C4w3
Minmatar
Corp 1 Allstars
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.19 09:42:00 - [540]
 

Originally by: Robert Ger
i have a simple idea of this..




NC lost ships . end transmisson


Quoting this for truth. Laughing


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