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Mr Kidd
Posted - 2010.06.16 03:21:00 - [1]
 

Interesting behavior I'm seeing in WC since Tyrannis. This is my second WC since the expansion. I haven't really been playing all that much since it basically nerfed my income to hell. The first I was in a Navy Mega, noticed that I was aggro'd by both side on the first room with the two gates.

Tonight I'm in a drone boat because I want to do a little research while letting my drones tackle the rats. I don't want to have to actively manage targets and guns. Wrong! I aggroed the rats, launched drones and immediately they start targeting the drones....all of them.

CCP, if you're idea is to make us be attentive to the game at all times , I can respect that. How about you reduce the grind factor, huh? This is getting f**king ridiculous, seriously. You reduce the loot to pauper proportions. And for those of us that can't knock out the missions in 30 minutes that means you've significantly increased our grind factor by at least 40%.

Making the rats more annoying doesn't make missioning more challenging. If you want to give us more of a challenge how about making the rats use more sophisticated tactics? Oh that's right, your game while graphically 3d is as plainly two dimensional as a piece of paper.




Jamie Banks
Quantum Horizons
Posted - 2010.06.16 03:51:00 - [2]
 

The ninja salvager actually has to do work now huh?

WC4 has always been like this with the AI, they re-aggro drones due to proximity bubbles and some other things. On the very rare occasion a mission runner occasionally has to use his brain and pay attention.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.06.16 04:02:00 - [3]
 

never had much trouble sitting at the gate sniping them with sentry drones

if you can't handle it you could always use the key from Zamzziahifgh

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.06.16 05:01:00 - [4]
 

Weren't you the one ninja who could not adapt to the nerf?

Anyway you could try using someone else's work once again and read my 2 months old "how to do WC with drones" post @EvE-Survival.

Celia Therone
Posted - 2010.06.16 05:35:00 - [5]
 

Rats in the first room of world's collide appear to have a tethering mechanic (this isn't new). If they fly too far from their origin point then they abandon the chase, lose their locks and fly back to where they started. If you have drones fighting them then they will often re-lock onto the drones and kill them. I'd guess that the tether is in the 25-40km range.

If you want to fight them with mobile drones then you have to fly pretty much up to the group and aggro them so that they don't exceed their tethers. Or you can pay attention and recall your drones as necessary but depending on what you're fighting and the drones that you're fielding you can still lose them.

Fighting them with sentry drones is much easier although even dual omni garde ii's can't hit some groups from their gate.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.06.16 05:54:00 - [6]
 

WC4 is a terrible mission, I won't do it anymore as its to difficult to get done in a timely manner without warping out many times and just not fun at all to do. The first room puts targets outside the range of most T1 ships and guns, requiring you burn towards the target then burn towards back towards the gate. When you get to the second room, you smack in the middle of webbing drones so you can't really burn away quickly and should you deploy drones you then aggro every other group which will just melt through your tank after you recall them. The only way to really do this room is to overtank a dominix, aggro everything, and let heavy drones fly on agressive while your AFK.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.06.16 06:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aqriue
WC4 is a terrible mission, I won't do it anymore as its to difficult to get done in a timely manner without warping out many times and just not fun at all to do. The first room puts targets outside the range of most T1 ships and guns, requiring you burn towards the target then burn towards back towards the gate. When you get to the second room, you smack in the middle of webbing drones so you can't really burn away quickly and should you deploy drones you then aggro every other group which will just melt through your tank after you recall them. The only way to really do this room is to overtank a dominix, aggro everything, and let heavy drones fly on agressive while your AFK.


I do the Angel + Sansha version and tbh it's not _that_ bad. I tend to get some fat cash out of the whole thing.
IIRC you can bypass the first pocket rats by using a card you get in like 10k specimens in another mission.
I just use 2 battleships (med and short range), WC becomes a quick joke with them.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.16 06:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aqriue
WC4 is a terrible mission,


wat

WC was always one of the missions I'd be praying to get when I ran missions

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.06.16 07:06:00 - [9]
 

drones are only as ineffective as their owner lets them be lol. You have to keep them in line sometimes. My drones most of the time actually think for themselves pretty decent. Other times, some guidance needed. Or as mentioned go afk sentry design.





Seraph Castillon
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.16 07:42:00 - [10]
 

Set drones to passive and you should have no problem. Also don't agro more than one group if they don't auto agro you first.

Astald Ohtar
AtlantiA French Corp
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:19:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Astald Ohtar on 16/06/2010 09:28:15
Oh noes! I cant afk run missions ! CCP nerfed mission runner to oblivion !

Didnt you quit already ? Very Happy

WC is one of the best missions there, in term of AI and rewards , and how the hell did you get agroed in the first room by both side o.O Rolling Eyes

Try hellokittyonline this game is too difficult for you Laughing

Edit

Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Set drones to passive and you should have no problem. Also don't agro more than one group if they don't auto agro you first.


passive wont help you, if the drones shoot the spies , youll get the whole s*** on you ass

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Interesting behavior I'm seeing in WC since Tyrannis.
This isn't new behaviour, just for the record…
Quote:
Tonight I'm in a drone boat because I want to do a little research while letting my drones tackle the rats. I don't want to have to actively manage targets and guns. Wrong! I aggroed the rats, launched drones and immediately they start targeting the drones....all of them.
Which WC was this? What factions were involved.

Drone boats eat the Gurista/Serpentis WC4 for breakfast — it's just a matter of doing things in the right order and leaving the frigates for last. It's been like that since forever.

Derelicht
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:12:00 - [13]
 

At least you can afk a lot of the other missions.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:17:00 - [14]
 

All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.


Wow! Someone really didn't like the answers he got.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
It really hurts to get so thoroughly exposed as this, doesn't it?

General Trajan
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:09:00 - [17]
 

use a sniper fit BS in the first room and there's no need to even budge from warp in point. prob solved!

Backho
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:19:00 - [18]
 

Train caldari.

Problem solved.

Remove 1 damage control
Insert Signal amplifier

profit $$$

Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:38:00 - [19]
 

The tears from unemployed (or should that be unemployable?) Ninja salvagers are far, far sweeter than those of mission runners.


Adapt, Mr. Buttercup man

Kerr avonn
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:42:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 14:50:16
Originally by: Mr Kidd
All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
MR?? got some growing up to do before people call you mister i thinkLaughing



WC hasent changed just lvl4's are tougher than lvl3's Rolling Eyes

And the second room (angel side) is a cake walk, even with my 1400mm 'arty' fit.
When the webber frigs are furthest away from the other groups in the room 'thats when you set your drones on them' or risk full room aggro, and the drone thats draws the aggro, simply recall that drone and the aggro will cease.
I use mael with 2 mission hardeners, 1 xl booster, 2 TC's and an AB, so you can see my tank aint all that and i can still survive full agg, either im too good or your really bad??


EDIT...And if your taking more than 20-25 minutes in a T1 (T2 fitted and better) battleship then something is very wrong Wink

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.06.16 15:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kerr avonn
Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 14:50:16
Originally by: Mr Kidd
All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
MR?? got some growing up to do before people call you mister i thinkLaughing



WC hasent changed just lvl4's are tougher than lvl3's Rolling Eyes

And the second room (angel side) is a cake walk, even with my 1400mm 'arty' fit.
When the webber frigs are furthest away from the other groups in the room 'thats when you set your drones on them' or risk full room aggro, and the drone thats draws the aggro, simply recall that drone and the aggro will cease.
I use mael with 2 mission hardeners, 1 xl booster, 2 TC's and an AB, so you can see my tank aint all that and i can still survive full agg, either im too good or your really bad??


EDIT...And if your taking more than 20-25 minutes in a T1 (T2 fitted and better) battleship then something is very wrong Wink
you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys.

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.06.16 15:12:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 16/06/2010 15:14:59


WC is easier than most of WOW content. That's true of all missions. That's all I have to say.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.16 15:21:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 16/06/2010 15:22:01
In fact…
Originally by: Backho
Train caldari.

Problem solved.
…fixed.

That's really all there is to it. WC doesn't cause more problems with drones than any other missions where you want to watch your spawn/aggro triggers. There quite literally isn't any problem to solve here. Neutral

Kerr avonn
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.16 16:35:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 16:44:00
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys.


FYI foolish troll
, you know nothing, mael=arty platform, mach=auto's platform... those who fit arty's to a machariel and those who fit auto's to a maelstrom either dont have the isk for the two ship's or dont have a clue about ship fitting to best effect.
Also i know what i know, if its more than you Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sad you'll get over it.


EDIT...Im guessing your in the 'takes over two hours to complete' club?
Lol...noobsRolling Eyes

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.06.16 18:04:00 - [25]
 

Recall the 1 drone that is being attacked, and the others will be left alone.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.06.16 18:56:00 - [26]
 

Quote:
The tears from unemployed (or should that be unemployable?) Ninja salvagers are far, far sweeter than those of mission runners.



That's okay, we didn't want him anyway.

Caldari citizen52145894561
Posted - 2010.06.16 19:30:00 - [27]
 

if you are talking about the quest with the two different pirates at war with each other, you can solo that in a destroyer, I did it in a Coercer and killed everything in the first room, if you are having problems with rats in the first room, bring a cruiser, kill everything, then warp out and come back in a destroyer or frigate so you can move on to the next room

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.06.16 20:54:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Kerr avonn
Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 16:44:00
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys.


FYI foolish troll
, you know nothing, mael=arty platform, mach=auto's platform... those who fit arty's to a machariel and those who fit auto's to a maelstrom either dont have the isk for the two ship's or dont have a clue about ship fitting to best effect.
Also i know what i know, if its more than you Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sad you'll get over it.


EDIT...Im guessing your in the 'takes over two hours to complete' club?
Lol...noobsRolling Eyes
you're a f*ckin moron. you just said you think artys>ac vrs. angels. the only noob here is you.
in case you're wondering I'm in the 10 minute club for wc mish vrs. angel/sansha, blood/angel take your pick of ships. NM, Mach, Pal, all work well with close range guns.

So, maybe you need to learn how to fit your mael or get some more sp?

Kerr avonn
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.16 21:43:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
you're a f*ckin moron. you just said you think artys>ac vrs. angels. the only noob here is you.

Huh? why the hell are you trolling me?
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to stop thinking.


Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
in case you're wondering I'm in the 10 minute club for wc mish vrs. angel/sansha, blood/angel take your pick of ships. NM, Mach, Pal, all work well with close range guns.
QuestionQuestionShocked
We all have something to bring to this discussion. But I think from now on the thing you should bring is silence.

Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.06.17 08:39:00 - [30]
 

Idk about you but I ran WC the other day and had no problems at all. I use an Ishtar. The enemies aggrieved me and stayed on me and never touched my drones. It was the Serpentis/Guristas version.


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