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metalravenous
Posted - 2010.06.15 09:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: metalravenous on 15/06/2010 10:04:14

This might sound stupid or seem like a troll to some, but for those of you who enjoyed playing Starcraft, and played as the Protoss, and enjoyed using a swarm of fighters to destroy your enemies through the use of carriers....

IMO I think it would be a great addition to Eve to introduce a Light carrier class ship.
From what i have noticed there a 3 tiers of ships in each ship class, for example, The Armageddon, Apoc, and Abaddon.
So in this Case introduce a light carrier to be a T1 Light carrier, the Carrier would be T2 and SuperCarrier being T3.
*The light carrier would be able to be flown in high sec, meaning it would not be so large as to require a cyno to jump systems, allowing it to travel into .5+ systems.
*Like the other 2 carriers it would not have any turret or launcher hard points. Its DPS would rely solely on the drones it could field.
* It would not be able to field fighter, or fighter bombers, just Drones.
* Have the ability to field 1 additional drone per (race?)light carrier skill level, up to a maximum of 10 drones, making its DPS compairable to the dps of other high sec class ships at their lvl 5 skill level.
*Its Special abilities would be partially based off its T2/T3 counterparts, IE, Drone dmg increase, armor resist increase, shield resist increase, armor/shield transfer ammount increase.

These are just some ideas, I know that CCP will probably never implement it, however, I am just posting it to see what others would think of it.
I know at one time CCP had a few ships that were able to field more than 5 drones, but took them out due to lag issues. But I do not think that would be the case with this ship.
Anyway, you opinions?


Tepamina
Posted - 2010.06.15 10:22:00 - [2]
 

are you referring to a dominix?

metalravenous
Posted - 2010.06.15 10:25:00 - [3]
 

No I am makeing refference to a different type of ship. A light Carrier, A Dominix has turret hard points that add to its DPS< whereas a Light Carriers DPS would come from its ability to use 10 drones, For example, deploying 10 Ogre II drones. This is a ship that fights ONLY with drones, like a Carrier.

Madmi CEO
Posted - 2010.06.15 11:17:00 - [4]
 

If in creating this ship you also create the best AFK mission runner available, then I think lag will be an issue.

If in creating this ship you do not also create the best AFK mission runner available, then people will simply continue using the Dominix, and the ship will be a good idea gone bad real fast.

This is a rough pessimistic look at things of course.

metalravenous
Posted - 2010.06.15 11:27:00 - [5]
 

So this would just end up being a Marauder class version of the AFK Dominix, is that what you mean?

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2010.06.15 11:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: metalravenous
No I am makeing refference to a different type of ship. A light Carrier, A Dominix has turret hard points that add to its DPS< whereas a Light Carriers DPS would come from its ability to use 10 drones, For example, deploying 10 Ogre II drones. This is a ship that fights ONLY with drones, like a Carrier.

So you want a super Dominix with the tank of a carrier and twice the (drone) firepower? For what?

metalravenous
Posted - 2010.06.15 11:37:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: metalravenous
No I am makeing refference to a different type of ship. A light Carrier, A Dominix has turret hard points that add to its DPS< whereas a Light Carriers DPS would come from its ability to use 10 drones, For example, deploying 10 Ogre II drones. This is a ship that fights ONLY with drones, like a Carrier.

So you want a super Dominix with the tank of a carrier and twice the (drone) firepower? For what?


Well basically a Dominix if everyone is going to compare it to that, but like i said having no other DPS than the drones themselves. A Dominix is able to produce more DPS than this ship class as this one is not able to use turrets or launchers. However, if it is a ship that would require the (Race) BS skill at 5 to train the Light carrier skill, it should be a better ship.
Just like a Marauder is a better dps/tank ship than a normal BS. A light carrier would Have slightly more dps than a BS as it would require BS to 5 to train.

Modus Trollens
Posted - 2010.06.15 12:45:00 - [8]
 

What 'they' really need to 'do' is redesign the domi to make it not look like a turd and more like a mini carrier. But then again, if the domi wasn't so damn ugly, everyone would be flying one and we'd be playing dominix online.

Kronos Hopeslayer
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.15 13:04:00 - [9]
 

Alright lets play with this idea. To make it work you would need to seriously reduce its combat effectiveness if you allow this thing in highsec.

1. jump ability - gone
2. cut shields, armor, structure hps down to about 1/3 of the base carrier (still a lot more than a battleship)
3. no fighter bombers those are reserved for Super Carriers only
4. 1/2 the drone bay as the base carrier (max 10 fighters)
5. Can fit a Drone Control unit, but only have 3 (maybe 4 high slots)
6. Can not fit capital repair, or energy transfer modules, or triage.
7. 1/2 the the corporate hanger size of the base carrier
8. 1/2 the ship hanger as the base carrier, but can allow fitting services to fleet.

So what you would end up with is a Marauder type carrier. Have the base price be about 800mil.


Mr Pentex
Posted - 2010.06.15 13:29:00 - [10]
 

Sounds lika a great idee.
I dont fly the domi, but dont they need their guns for getting agro from the right group of npc while missioning?

Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
Posted - 2010.06.15 13:31:00 - [11]
 

Seriously, don't cross post.

MWDrive
Posted - 2010.06.15 13:53:00 - [12]
 

You do realise that thing could have 1,6k drone dps? And that would be seriously OP. Even if you don't give it ability to use drone control units you could get 1,1k while having highs open for other nice mods. You would be able to tank lvl4 without even trying.... Do I need to go on?

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.06.15 13:56:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 15/06/2010 13:56:18
Originally by: MWDrive
You do realise that thing could have 1,6k drone dps? And that would be seriously OP. Even if you don't give it ability to use drone control units you could get 1,1k while having highs open for other nice mods. You would be able to tank lvl4 without even trying.... Do I need to go on?


Unless acceleration gates were specifically set not to allow ships bigger than a battleship to pass through.
I don't really like the minicarrier idea myself, but just saying from a PVE point of view it's not hard to balance...

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.06.15 14:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tepamina
are you referring to a dominix?


lol, so true.

Poses
Posted - 2010.06.15 14:36:00 - [15]
 

nope, the drone interfacing skill used to give +1 drone per level, and many ships now that have a drone dmg bonus used to get +1 drone per level. there is a reason that they changed it to the way it is now. It reduced lag, which was the principal issue.

so, in summary (i've typed this more times then i can think of). There is no role for this ship... if you want repping get a logi ship. Drone boat, get an ishtar or domi.

there is no role for a 'light carrier' so you will. never. see. it.

Meta Knite
Amarr
The Outlaws.
Posted - 2010.06.15 16:40:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Meta Knite on 15/06/2010 16:41:45
Honestly any ship of that kind would be too OP in high sec.

What they could do is make it:

10x drones - possibly make it even T2 BC with 125 bandwith (med drones or 5 heavy you pick)
no hard points, no triage
fit 1-3 command link modules
10% drone dmg and hitpoints per lvl / 7.5% rep amount (consistent with gallente)

(this would actually probably make a perfect gallente T2 bc lol- started typing and noticed which direction it took)

Basically it would be nice to get the T2 BC hulls used and the gallente seems perfect for a minnie carrier.

Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.06.15 16:58:00 - [17]
 

This ship already exists. It's called the Dominix.

Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
Posted - 2010.06.15 17:09:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Kyle Cataclysm on 15/06/2010 17:08:55
It should be able to move rigged BS, salvage everthing in 250km AOE, mine twice as much as a hulk and have the agility of a frigate, too.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.06.15 17:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kyo Haku
This ship already exists. It's called the Dominix.
Domi is not a dedicated drone boat. It makes a better blaster gank boat than the mega :D

TBH though a t2 domi that can fit drone control units would be nice without being too OP. Sure a domi with 10 drones could do just under 1k DPS, but a domi with rails does 1100, and a blaster domi does even more. Use DCUs instead of a natural +drones bonus and you keep it from being the uber-versatile OP drone/logistics beast that the name mini-carrier implies.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.06.15 17:24:00 - [20]
 

A battleship with 1000 drone dps and all highs/mids/lows free for neuts/ewar/tank .. sounds like a smashing idea, just what the dock monkeys wanted from Santa!

And for the record, lag has not exactly improved a whole lot since the change you mention so 10 drones per ship would indeed have a most undesirable effect.

metalravenous
Posted - 2010.06.15 19:23:00 - [21]
 

While yes the Dominix is kind of like this ship, It isnt in the same respect. This ship as I stated before would have its DPS solely based off its drones, and as i said before it would only be able to use drones, and as stated before it would be comparable to a Marauder class ship and therefore its price would be comparable to a Marauder class ship, So its use in PVP would be unlikely when you can get a much cheaper BS to do almost the same dps.
This is a Dedicated drone boat.
Concerning its tankablity, being comparable to a marauder class ship its tank would be comparable to that.
To reduce its OPness as a EWAR, RR, ETC Limit its High, Mid, Low slots to basically the same as its Higher Carrier counterparts. I personally have never seen a carrier fitted with a SW, ECM, etc. That is just stupid. That is not its intended purpose.

There are many different types of ships in eve, The role of this ship can be many, determined by the drones it uses, making this a multi-role boat. So if someone wants it to be an ECM boat.... Use ECM drone, but its limmited Mid slots would not, make it OP.

Angie McFish
Gallente
Caldari Industrial Capitalist Consortium
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:19:00 - [22]
 

no, Carriers are not good because of their fighters. I would like a BS sized logistics cruiser with a small maintenance bay and range bonus to remote reppers.
Also, not turrets or launchers, give it the ability to equip Drone control units but no "1 drone per lvl" bonus. I believe that's a risky bonus too, because it'll be used for afk missioning, but who cares.
Maybe give it a small corp hold, so it can carry ammo for teammates during ops, but give it a larger than normal cargo hold (maybe 800-1000m3 something)

This is what I'd like to see.

SuperNova221
J5 Industries
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:55:00 - [23]
 

Why do you need this? Your reason just seems to be because it would be cool. It doesn't seem to fit any real role, no real purpose that can't be fulfilled by existing ships with different methods. So why?

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2010.06.15 23:52:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: metalravenous
While yes the Dominix is kind of like this ship, It isnt in the same respect. This ship as I stated before would have its DPS solely based off its drones, and as i said before it would only be able to use drones, and as stated before it would be comparable to a Marauder class ship and therefore its price would be comparable to a Marauder class ship, So its use in PVP would be unlikely when you can get a much cheaper BS to do almost the same dps.
This is a Dedicated drone boat.
Concerning its tankablity, being comparable to a marauder class ship its tank would be comparable to that.
To reduce its OPness as a EWAR, RR, ETC Limit its High, Mid, Low slots to basically the same as its Higher Carrier counterparts. I personally have never seen a carrier fitted with a SW, ECM, etc. That is just stupid. That is not its intended purpose.

There are many different types of ships in eve, The role of this ship can be many, determined by the drones it uses, making this a multi-role boat. So if someone wants it to be an ECM boat.... Use ECM drone, but its limmited Mid slots would not, make it OP.



I believe something similar has been proposed before. Although only for Gallente. I, for one, am not fully opposed.

Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
Posted - 2010.06.16 05:07:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Klazktrknuitzksalikamono on 16/06/2010 05:07:13
10 drones sounds right, and area-usage under the same restrictions for complex areas like mWD's.

So no afk mission running :)

Valend
Posted - 2010.06.16 06:07:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: SuperNova221
Why do you need this? Your reason just seems to be because it would be cool. It doesn't seem to fit any real role, no real purpose that can't be fulfilled by existing ships with different methods. So why?

Does everything absolutely have to have a dedicated purpose? I mean, I know they want T2 ships to have roles, but... the purpose of half the ships in EVE is to blow stuff up. They justify being different by doing it in different ways, which often provides them with situational roles. But roles still intended to kill stuff.

I think the purpose of such a ship would be giving bored PVE players something bigger to fly than a battleship. Give it a bit more DPS and tank than a battleship, but make it very skill intensive, and very, very slow.

Missions might get easier, but it's not like they aren't already very easy (and heck, I would say it's the missions that need to be reworked more so than the ships intended to run them). And if someone spends that much time training for a ship they intend to use for the sole purpose of mission running, I would say it's a just reward. Give people sitting in their marauders and faction battleships something new to look forward to.

I'm not saying it's a perfect idea by any means, but personally I'd like to see some new ships. I know people complain about them not fixing current ships all the time, but some new variety would be nice.

Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.06.16 06:44:00 - [27]
 

I like this idea, but I think you need to re-think a lot of this.

Personally, I would make it into a BS class combat-logistics ship, rather than calling it a mini-carrier, becuase that makes it sound... well.. wrong and indeed over powered.

So, +1 drone per level, fine by me, but maximum of 100mbit bandwidth, and no damage bonus. Thus you get ten mediums, which is not an OP amount of damage, but only 4 heavies if you wanted to go that way. That deals with any real damage overpoweredness, and excludes it from being a mission ship.

Next, racial remote rep bonus as taken from carriers. So gal and mini get shield AND armor, but not cap. The other two get cap and either shield or armor. All of them get cap use and range.

Finally, a tank bonus. Not the standard racial one. Everyone gets a resists bonus, becuase otherwise gallente/mini won't be worth using by comparison.

That gives you HP like a rokh/abaddon, which is fine, same damage as a domi using hammerheads (not crazy) and seven or eight slots for repair and cap.

Balance out the meds and lows the same way as current logistics ships, so theres enough room for tank, prop mod, ECCM etc. Gallente and mini would have room to go either way with their tank, but biased slightly by the resists. If they went shield, they could get cap stable with relays, if they went armor, they would be more reliable with ECCM and such.

That leaves you with a BS level logistics platform with the ability to deal some damage but not an uber amount. Basically its a micro carrier in performance not in flavour.

Marie C1
Perkone
Posted - 2010.06.16 10:07:00 - [28]
 

Maybe batter T3 titan ?

Comon , stop with light carrier stuff , u got domi ><

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.16 10:15:00 - [29]
 

Hey look, this idea again.

Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:02:00 - [30]
 

terrible idea.
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