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Ori Blake
Posted - 2010.06.13 14:45:00 - [61]
 

You picked a lot of minor stuff to complain about. I have my own list but I'm not going to bother with posting it. If you feel that way my advice is just to use this until the newer triple-A MMOs release, like TOR, FFXIV, and GW2, and then quit.

I think CCP has shown they really only change the game to what vision they have, and that vision is not going to change much. So expecting them to change is futile.

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.06.13 14:47:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Hainnz
OP, you may not have intended to do so, but you've thrown a lot of read meat out to the forum warriors here. Even if some, in their more thoughtful moments, might be inclined to agree with your basic premise or a few of your specific points, you've assured yourself far more negative replies because you haven't framed your criticism within a culturally accepted fashion.

Anyway, I agree that EVE can use a lot improvement. EVE is a really cool idea (semi-hard SF, futuristic internet spaceship and economy simulator) with only passable (at best) actual game-play and a rather bad, amateurish UI.

IMO, CCP should take a good long look at the game and ask themselves two questions. How can this be made better? How can this be made more fun?

Unfortunately EVE appears to be CCP's only real money maker. They can't dare to rock the boat too much. They absolutely must keep the vet players (and their legions of alts) content, at least. Also, EVE, at its core, is a Clan warfare game with combat, territorial control, economic elements. You can be modestly entertained if you play EVE as a modern version of Elite or Wing Commander, but if you aren't really "into" the Clan Warfare aspect, EVE will only offer you so much (no matter how long you stick around and hope the game gets better).

Besides, the one-shard design of EVE encourages a slow but steady approach towards subscriber growth: attract just enough new players who will actually stick with the game over the long term (and hopefully an alt account or two) and who like the game as it is without any changes.


See, what I'm thinking is that once games like jumpgate evolution come out, which at one point actually had an FAQ on their page that answered the question about how much it would be like Eve, fairly new players or players disillusioned with the slow-paced nature of eve will go over to that and give up on this game. This is because that FAQ answered the question about if Jumpgate evo was like eve. They said that it's in space and it's an MMO, that's it, and pretty much said that it's not going to have eve's crapped-up system of training skills for months of time or all the boring parts of eve's industry or PVE missions. I'm considering just going over and buying it once it comes out simply because it's in space and it looks like more fun than eve ugh.

However, CCP seems set on keeping this game as boring and slow as ever. It's kind of sad since the game was made on good ideas. Oh well, they'll never get a sustained new player base unless they change this and the game will eventually fail.

Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2010.06.13 14:50:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Jeffrey Thomas
Hi guys and girls,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - get some guys from EA GAMES


I dismissed your entire post when I read this. EA are just- horrible. Don't even go there.

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.06.13 16:30:00 - [64]
 

Well, I'm with you. I just canceled my subscription. I've been training learning skills for the past few days and enough is enough. I'm looking for a game to play, not something that's just going to take money from me and give me nothing to do (I refuse to mission or mine, they're both boring as all hell). I need a new MMO though...

Jeffrey Thomas
Posted - 2010.06.13 16:57:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Milo Caman
Originally by: Jeffrey Thomas
Hi guys and girls,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - get some guys from EA GAMES


I dismissed your entire post when I read this. EA are just- horrible. Don't even go there.


seems like everybody is focused on EA Games when it was just an example.....as I wrote...."PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - get some guys from EA GAMES or some other professional programmers"
I agree with the general EA Games opinion - so you can dismiss that one - but the other facts remain. EVE is boring and a JOB.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.13 17:27:00 - [66]
 

Im struggling to understand how you aren't having fun in EVE.

When I log on, I check for open fleets, reset my PI timers, x up and roam for an hour or two. After that I might shoot some rats or run a couple of missions for money. The only thing I would consider as verging on 'work' here are the missions, but even those are optional.

Similarly, I know people who log on and mine, or just run missions constantly. Presumably because they find this fun. I consider chain mission running grinding and boring, so I dont do it, but for some people its the reason they log into EVE.

Its all about different people's mindsets in EVE. You make your own fun.

Quote:
I'm not totally against skills- just don't make them waste my life! It's not fun watching a damn skill get trained for a month. Eve is a game - it should be FUN. But it has become WORK.


To be honest, I prefer having my skills train in real time it feels less grindey to me. It might not be fun watching the little progress bar fill up, but its a damn stretch better than furiously clicking on a tree for three hours to raise your woodcutting level. Since your skills train passively, it frees up more of your time in game to have fun.

I agree that when you're first starting out in the game it feels a bit strange and it takes quite a while to get going but once you get into the swing of things its easier than manually training your skills, I feel.


baltec1
Posted - 2010.06.13 17:46:00 - [67]
 

Dear OP.

Please go and play star trek online. I will accept your apology in 3 weeks time when you have finished that MMO.

Jeffrey Thomas
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:02:00 - [68]
 

guys check this thread out......he's a bit more "diplomatic" than I am.....and so damn right.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1335585
Idea

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:16:00 - [69]
 

He covered completely different topics. And people were pointing out his fixes for the non-problem outlined in his last of many posts weren't in line with the game. Just go play JGE or STO since eve is just not the game you want to play.

Jeffrey Thomas
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:23:00 - [70]
 

Don't think there is a good MMO game out there right now and EVE definitely sucks so I'll be out of here shortly. There is no improvement in sight.

Yeah he covers different topics - and they add to my list. He's right.




Zartrader
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:27:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 13/06/2010 18:33:52


Originally by: Jeffrey Thomas
Originally by: Milo Caman
Originally by: Jeffrey Thomas
Hi guys and girls,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - get some guys from EA GAMES


I dismissed your entire post when I read this. EA are just- horrible. Don't even go there.


seems like everybody is focused on EA Games when it was just an example.....as I wrote...."PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - get some guys from EA GAMES or some other professional programmers"
I agree with the general EA Games opinion - so you can dismiss that one - but the other facts remain. EVE is boring and a JOB.


All MMO's are ultimately boring. They have to be because of the hackers, exploiters, macros and the fact that everyone has to be a winner. I picked EVE because its the best of the worst, not because it's a good game in itself (it has far to many flaws for me) If it was not for the social aspect (not the chat, the fact you are interacting with others directly or indirectly) most MMO's would be dead long ago.

If that human interaction is not important to you then of course the game will not be one suitable for you.

From all my posts here and other game forums I do notice that the web has a breed of people that assume what they say is absolute fact and anyone giving an alternative and equally valid view is an idiot. Most of the time they clearly do not bother reading what you post anyway. It's a shame the maturity level is so low but I suspect that is the nature of the beast. But Op, you have fallen into that same trap. Try giving a considered opinion and not a rant next time, the replies would have been a lot different.

So play with the immature and you will get immature replies. If you want anything different go to the adult sites or do what I try and do, write as if you are speaking to children rather than give a childish post.

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.06.13 20:37:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Zartrader
Edited by: Zartrader on 13/06/2010 18:33:52

All MMO's are ultimately boring. They have to be because of the hackers, exploiters, macros and the fact that everyone has to be a winner. I picked EVE because its the best of the worst, not because it's a good game in itself (it has far to many flaws for me) If it was not for the social aspect (not the chat, the fact you are interacting with others directly or indirectly) most MMO's would be dead long ago.




WoW is not boring. That's why so many people play it. I quit playing it because the majority of people who play it are rather difficult to work with and be around.

I'm not saying that Eve should be made into WoW either. I like eve's learning curve and complexity. What I don't like is the incredibly long training times and the incredibly boring methods (missions, mining, etc.) of making isk. You might say "well start scanning for plex's", but I need to train up for a proper ship and the scanning equipment first, which will take a while in itself to get to.

I don't think it would be too difficult to make eve a much better game than it is now, but no one seems willing to do it and, like the other thread that is like this (which the OP linked) says, the older players feel a need to force this old snail-paced system on everyone, which is basically self-gratification.

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:02:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 13/06/2010 22:03:25
EVE IS PERFECT STFU NOOB


also:
Originally by: Zartrader
go to the adult sites

that's not helping!!

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:15:00 - [74]
 


Eve is a fish tank with lots of fish moving in slow motion.

:)

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:31:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 14/06/2010 05:36:03

Originally by: V'hellu
Originally by: Zartrader
Edited by: Zartrader on 13/06/2010 18:33:52

All MMO's are ultimately boring. They have to be because of the hackers, exploiters, macros and the fact that everyone has to be a winner. I picked EVE because its the best of the worst, not because it's a good game in itself (it has far to many flaws for me) If it was not for the social aspect (not the chat, the fact you are interacting with others directly or indirectly) most MMO's would be dead long ago.




WoW is not boring. That's why so many people play it. I quit playing it because the majority of people who play it are rather difficult to work with and be around.

I'm not saying that Eve should be made into WoW either. I like eve's learning curve and complexity. What I don't like is the incredibly long training times and the incredibly boring methods (missions, mining, etc.) of making isk. You might say "well start scanning for plex's", but I need to train up for a proper ship and the scanning equipment first, which will take a while in itself to get to.

I don't think it would be too difficult to make eve a much better game than it is now, but no one seems willing to do it and, like the other thread that is like this (which the OP linked) says, the older players feel a need to force this old snail-paced system on everyone, which is basically self-gratification.


I played WOW for 4 years , ran a 'hard core' guild and did most of the content. It is ultimately boring though. I realised I was logging on for the sake of others rather than myself and the content had no meaning without challenge. I found most of the challenge was sorting out others rather than in the game itself. The real fun bits were interacting with others, not the content as such (I have zero interest in 'gear' for the sake of it, I leave that to the immature to enjoy)

Some of us simply can't play any game casually and it's that sort of player which EVE appeals to, the sort of player WOW abandoned with Wrath. CCP know this but they often mix up 'hard core' with tedious or fiddly. They are completely different concepts. It's not hard core to have learning skills, struggle with the UI or need 50 clicks to do anything. That's where I think EVE fails many of us. But it's still the best game out there for those who want hard core. The Op clearly does not (he makes many assumptions only a casual player would) so it's not a game for him.


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