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Slick O'Hara
Morshu's Palace of Pain
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:38:00 - [61]
 

So in favour of this fix right now.

Don't give them a 'PvE replacement' for 5's either, if they want to make more money from missioning, want more challenging fights what better place than lowsec.

Consider yourselves lucky you get such easy money running level 4's whilst still being able to fly around in a T2 rigged, X-type fitted ship with only the occasional ninja ratter/looter to disturb you. Maybe consider playing eve in multiplayer mode for a change and take a risk now and then.

If you get ganked running level 5's then ashes to ashes, pixels to pixels. No need to cry over spilt bytes :P


Zoltar Torzoid
Gallente
Swag Co.
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:39:00 - [62]
 

Quote:
HAHAHAHAHAH. The correct way to fix the game would be to move all level 4s to .5-.6 and low missions going higher, that way there'd be SOME RISK in doing 4s as they would eventually send you to low sec.


noooo.. lol, don't move my lvl 4 agents to high-sec. that would make me have to go there more than once a week. I hate it there.... haha

Madame Currie
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:40:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Madame Currie on 11/06/2010 17:40:50
In the name of any pirate thanks to ccp for this great idea:

Here a link to help those of you, wanting to profit: Easy guide for l5 ganking

TheLostPenguin
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:41:00 - [64]
 

Shame really these are being dropped, altho some people (several of whom seem to be raging in this thread) ran them heavily, I think for many of those that ran hisec lvl 5s it was more something diferent to do with a few people together on an evening when going off to losec and ganking whichever poor smuck happened to be in the way didn't appeal, more challenge and probaly better overall reward than running lvl 4s and simply a nice change of pace to the normal grind of missioning. Guess now its go gank in losec or nothing at all if a few people want to hook up together for an evening :(

As for
"When level 5 missions were first introduced back in 2007, it was intended that these missions take place only in low- and null-sec systems. Because of a longstanding bug in our mission distribution system, however, some agents would occasionally offer these missions in high-security systems instead of low-sec or 0.0 only."
I think this must set a record even for you CCP, in terms of utter stupidity and failure to operate in anything approaching a logical/efficent manner, does it really take 3 years to come up with a hair-brained and time intensive "fix" when the blatantly obvious and very much simpler solution to stopping the dropping of lvl5 missions into hisec is simply to move those few agents adjacent to hisec systems one or two jumps further into losec?
If you're going to implement crappy ideas just because some pirate annoyed at not killing people on their way tp pull lvl 5s managed to rattle the right devs cage, please don't waste time on it when there's far more important (in the view of just about the entire playerbase) things that the time/resources could be employed improving.

/me sends another 2,500 units of "FIX LAG" coffeecups to CCP hq

dibblebill
Danneskjold Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:41:00 - [65]
 

To all you "OMG I MIGHT LOSE A SHIP" whiners: HTFU. Enough said. If you really want risk-free money making, go play WoW or something.

Dave Hourai
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:44:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Impact
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

When level 5 missions were first introduced back in 2007, it was intended that these missions take place only in low- and null-sec systems.



Well done. OH hey Every body lets take the t2 and faction fitted ships into null sec for a level 5..... Yey. Bubbles? What are all these bubbles around the gate? And how come theres a greeting party of 40+ ships?

What you mean we cant complete the level 5 now? Oh all the ships were killed by the gate camp fleet who owned that part of null sec? And CCP wont do anything to help? Oh well then.

Theres just a small portion of what the convos will be like. Whos brain in CCP was working magic the day you thought up "Lets make missions go into null sec! No the sovernty holders wont mind, there always an understanding lot."

Its amazingly funny how on the one hand CCP always says "eve is a game to go where ever, and do what ever you want" Then the right hand comes around, ***** slaps you and points to low sec, and null sec.



You failed SO hard, I cant even describe it. Bubbles. Do. Not. Work. In. Low. Sec... Fail.

CCP Wrangler: "You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy, lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for."

Phasmatisss
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:45:00 - [67]
 

I am in agreement with the general feeling that nerfing level Vs was a huge waste and just ****ed a bunch of people off for no reason other than seemingly CCP can get away with it. I am very dubious about part of their stated reason for nerfing them, as I have asked level 4 agents in the same station that the level V agents are in for missions and have NEVER received a hi sec mission from the level 4 agents. In light of that I would have to say they are not being honest and up front with us.

I made good income, but not spectacular income from running Vs in hi sec. It takes a good deal of skill points and a huge investment in ISK to put together a ship that can passively tank all factions. (Approximately 3 billion) As one other person mentioned you need two people to do them in a reasonable amount of time so over all your ISK per hour is good but not great.

A previous post mentioned that CCP seems to want to push everyone into lo sec, 0.0 or a pirateís life and I agree with him/her.

Storyline missions now frequently happen in lo sec and most people turn them down. I have done one of them and it simply was not worth the time, effort and risk. You need to take a mission fit ship into a PvP environment, take considerable aggro and hope you donít get scanned down and jumped. This is a prescription for death.

Things like Hulkageddon, ganking your corp mates, hi sec ganking carebears with a disposeable alt and having another alt scoop the goodies are becoming much more common in high sec and it makes Eve a much more dangerous place than when I joined.

They created WH space to increase the unlawfull area of Eve but have not done the same for hi sec which has a heck of a lot more people in it.

They have added a lot of measures to increase revenue in 0.0 for alliances and Corps but have not seemingly done much to increase hi sec revenue.

I am pretty positive that 0.0 gets more cpu time than hi sec does. The chances of a DC in 0.0 compared to hi sec are very lo. I have clone jumped to hi sec, the DCs start, ask in corp chat if they are being DCd in 0.0 and no they are not.

I have to wonder how much attention is paid to the quite carebear side of the world compared to the very vocal pirate side.

Are GMs so out of touch with their own game that they think they know better than the carebears? Lets force them to play as we want them to play not as they want to play!

Absolute power does corrupt absolutely and when you are a GM with godlike powers, in a corporate culture that encourages the pirate life I would venture that they really would rather have a world of pirates.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:45:00 - [68]
 

CCP Zymurgist: I fully approve of your message! Cool
Originally by: Morris Kane
If this so called "fix" goes though and you cannot do any lv5's in high sec.. i will be canceling my 4 accounts.
the challenge of doing them and often doing them with friends is one of the main appealing aspects for me in this game.

The thing is, since you're doing L5's for the challenge (or so you say), is that there'll be even more challenge now!
Not only will you and your friends have to defend and defeat the NPC's, you'll also have to be organised enough to beat off attackers (as intended with L5's).
Originally by: Morris Kane
If you end up taking it away.. why would i still pay to play?

Because (as you say) you play for the challenge!
Originally by: Morris Kane
Don;t nerf the cream of high sec missioning.. it will hurt a very large part of the player base.

They're not! They're fixing a bug that let low-sec content into high-sec. They're not touching high-sec missioning at all!
It won't hurt a 'large' part of the player base either... Only relatively few people have been exploiting this bug...

Face it! You've been exploiting a bug, and now that bug is getting fixed!

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:47:00 - [69]
 

While you're at it, CCP, and differentiating between L 1-4 and L5, why don't you also change the NPC AI so they don't stay stuck on the initial target but switch to the pirates a little bit too, just to even out the playing field.

Dave Hourai
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:51:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Dave Hourai on 11/06/2010 17:55:52
Originally by: Merouk Baas
While you're at it, CCP, and differentiating between L 1-4 and L5, why don't you also change the NPC AI so they don't stay stuck on the initial target but switch to the pirates a little bit too, just to even out the playing field.


Aggro mechanics are aggo mechanics. Once the failbear is dead, the rats usually switch to us :D

Also this:

Originally by: Phasmatisss
A previous post mentioned that CCP seems to want to push everyone into lo sec, 0.0 or a pirateís life and I agree with him/her.

Storyline missions now frequently happen in lo sec and most people turn them down. I have done one of them and it simply was not worth the time, effort and risk. You need to take a mission fit ship into a PvP environment, take considerable aggro and hope you donít get scanned down and jumped. This is a prescription for death.

Things like Hulkageddon, ganking your corp mates, hi sec ganking carebears with a disposeable alt and having another alt scoop the goodies are becoming much more common in high sec and it makes Eve a much more dangerous place than when I joined.

I have to wonder how much attention is paid to the quite carebear side of the world compared to the very vocal pirate side.

Are GMs so out of touch with their own game that they think they know better than the carebears? Lets force them to play as we want them to play not as they want to play!

Absolute power does corrupt absolutely and when you are a GM with godlike powers, in a corporate culture that encourages the pirate life I would venture that they really would rather have a world of pirates.



CCP Wrangler: "You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy, lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for."

CCP Wrangler: "You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy, lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for."

CCP Wrangler: "You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy, lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for."

Shin Dari
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:52:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Twiiki
I'm with sporkith.

Excuse me devs. Please stop working on whatever it is that you're doing(like improving fleet battle performance) and stop giving these carebears high sec missions. The PVP players that run CCP think this is a better use of your time.
Being a low-sec pirate is nothing but carebearing with an eyepatch. If you want some good PVP action use wardecs.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:52:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: dibblebill
To all you "OMG I MIGHT LOSE A SHIP" whiners: HTFU. Enough said. If you really want risk-free money making, go play WoW or something.


The problem isn't losing a ship, the problem is that the price-tag of ships required to run a level 5 effectively with small gangs is very high, while the price-tag for a pvp boat that can tackle and kill said pve boat is much much lower.

130 mill for a very well fit mega that will spit over 1k DPS vs the 2 billion isk Rattlesnake that's tanking the mission. Or a 500 million isk passive tengu speed tanking the mission, all the mega has to do is web the tengu and pop it, or tackle the rattler and either aid the mission in killing it, or call in back up.

It's not that you have to HTFU and deal with ship losses, it's that you have to tank a 2k DPS mission on top of dealing with players trying to kill you. It takes at least 10 missions worth of rewards to make back the losses from one ship losses.

Level 5s are hard as it stands, they basically NEED an RR battleship fleet now to be run well and not risk massive loss. They're no longer able to be run easily as a lone pilot with some alts. It's a bit annoying tbh, because level 4 missions are so easy and so dumb.

Also CCP can you at least do something about NPC jamming, as no amount of ECCM helps, that might help the gallente mission runners fighting caldari.

I agree with so many of the posts suggesting highsec challenge equivalents. I think CCP could probably fix alot of the issues if they simply made the agent reward dependant on the system the mission is in, rather than the system the agent is in. 80k LP for a mission in a 0.6 all because the agent is in 0.2 was a bit insane I'll admit. Had that scaled properly it would have been closer to 50-40K LP even with all level 5 skills. Granted that's still a bit high.

Also, if we're on the topic of level 5 can CCP get around to fixing Reclamation? It's bugged and not able to be finished.

Demeck
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:54:00 - [73]
 

Just to clarify, im not moaning it was good fun im just pointing out a few things like everyone else is doing and has a right to do. it may not be to everyones opinion but if we all agreed on everything what a boring world we would live in. its our differences that make this world so sweet.

as i said earlier its not so much the isk as i can make that in quite a few areas of the game if not most. apart from trading and piracy mainly.

markets..no thx..top marks for those that do, piracy ..dam i have a consciece.Crying or Very sad

ill just go run them in low sec. so i dont mind any piwates stopping by just bring some milk and cookies:)

Phasmatisss
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:54:00 - [74]
 

It is quite amusing to see all the pirates whom depend on carebears making a lot of the items they use, complain about them making ISK in hi sec, so they can make the items the pirates use. Can we boycot selling to Pirates so they too have to become part time carebears? Wink

Navarre Fuego
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:56:00 - [75]
 

Here's an alternative that should satisfy most players.
When offering missions, don't prefer any security status over another, or any population level over another. Put one or two (4 I guess) lvl 5 agents in hisec borders with losec, and then everyone gets what they want.
Some people will still take L5s in losec, and sometimes (quite often) the empire lvl 5 agents will offer missions in losec. Base the hisec Agents in relatively underpopulated constellations, and while I accept those systems will turn into mission hubs, the jump distances associated with a lvl 5 mission (if rules similar to the courier missions were to apply) would make people have to migrate to less populated systems by the randomness of systems you would be sent to.
Oh, and totally make more of the missions against pirate factions, and make the missions that are in losec systems get a sensible bonus to payout to reflect the hard fact that if you are going to run them, you need pvp cover just like a hisec mining corp would need to when mining in losec.

If you don't a lot of people are going to revert to afk-running lvl 4s and salvaging as they go with the alt they used to run logistics with. They might find that so dull that they stop playing altogether, especially if their lost L5 income doesn't let them run an alt with PLEXs.



Jas Dor
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:57:00 - [76]
 

Believe it or not low sec is as fairly secure environment. Most lowsec systems are empty. Pirates aren't wasting their time searching systems in deep 0.0 for a random target, they're going where the people are. This has a couple results.

1. Major lowsec entry way systems are death traps (so are many 0.0 entry points). With load balancing this is a problem as high sec agents are likely to locate missions in entry way or near entry way systems. Pirates can say what they want but their is no way an experienced PvPer is going to be out in a PvE fit in such high risk system (unless their corp is the one camping the gate). Quite frankly if I'm going into a war zone, I'm most likely going in with friends to cause somebody to loose isk, not try to make it in a PvE fit.

2. Level V agents have a similar problem, there are so few of them that pirates can bottleneck the systems where they're found. Additionally, level V's don't pay enough to be worth the extra hassle of flying in low sec (their is not enough reward for the risk).

For CCP the level IV distributions are the bigger problem. People will leave the game over such things. The level V changes less so (mainly because not many people flew those missions to start with).

Personally, I think somebody at CCP needs to sit down and seriously run some numbers. How much isk does a mission yield - average overhead (expended ammo, blown up ships, ect). I think CCP will find what many missions runners have been telling them is true, for a high sec pilot attempting a mission in low sec is a net loss.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:59:00 - [77]
 

The amount of risk aversion in this thread is disturbing. Especially given that half the people complaining are saying they run them because they are interesting, not for profit.

Suck it up, or stay in high-sec running level 4's.Rolling Eyes

Inappropriate comments removed. Zymurgist

Skylar Gray
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:59:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Phasmatisss
It is quite amusing to see all the pirates whom depend on carebears making a lot of the items they use, complain about them making ISK in hi sec, so they can make the items the pirates use. Can we boycot selling to Pirates so they too have to become part time carebears? Wink



You just melt down worthless mission trash to minerals and sell them yourself Rolling Eyes

Miners do all of the production almost. ugh

Nice try though. Confused

Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:59:00 - [79]
 

Quote:
They're not! They're fixing a bug that let low-sec content into high-sec. They're not touching high-sec missioning at all!
It won't hurt a 'large' part of the player base either... Only relatively few people have been exploiting this bug...

Face it! You've been exploiting a bug, and now that bug is getting fixed!


You are so wrong mate, you are so wrong. Some of HIGH SEC L4 agents now only send to low sec as it is at all times the least crowded system in the constellation.

Now to the point, I liked that occasional L5 in high sec, used to be fun to fly the most expensive PvE Kronos for a change, but then again, ishtar + vulture is still enough to run any of them in low sec :-) And friend can always bring one more Ishtar or anything making the whole L5 thing piece of cake.

Now to the high sec mission runners, who don't like low sec at all:
* Find some low sec friends, fly with them for a while, kill a few other players: THE BEST SHIP IN EVE IS FRIENDSHIP
* Once you got friends, running low sec level 4 or 5 missions is so easy when entire local is blue to you with only occasional neutral/red incursions
* Have your scanner open at all times, sort by name, check for Scanner Probes. If you see any combats: align for warp out, kill scrambling rats, prepare for evac

Demeck
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:59:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Phasmatisss
It is quite amusing to see all the pirates whom depend on carebears making a lot of the items they use, complain about them making ISK in hi sec, so they can make the items the pirates use. Can we boycot selling to Pirates so they too have to become part time carebears? Wink




hehe i like thatVery Happy

Verran Skarne
Shadowfire Enterprises
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:00:00 - [81]
 

As primarily a highsec PvE player, I don't mind this change but I don't think it's going to go even part of the way towards "fixing" low-sec.

A few years ago, my corp at the time used to run low-sec mining ops weekly. Even though we were a bunch of carebear noobs, we just got a few combat pilots to fly cover for the mining op and break any gatecamp on the way in and off we went. It worked great - there was risk: A couple of times we lost ships to pirates. There was reward: We usually managed to come back with lots of ISK worth of low-sec ore. It was fun on all sides. Made some great friends doing that.

We could never do that today though. Too much risk, too little reward. Anything we can get from low-sec, we can get with less risk from high-sec, from wormholes, or from 0.0. Funny that.

If you want to make low-sec more popular, what it needs is something you can't get anywhere else - something that's going to get organized groups of players back out there regularly, so that it's not just pirates and FW fleets. Kinda like how T3 made wormholes work, and how moon mining made 0.0 work. Low-sec needs its own special resource, something that will make the economy drive people out there. That used to be rarer asteroid ore types, but not anymore. Give people a real reason to go there instead of choosing high-sec, 0.0, or a wormhole, and everyone wins.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:01:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Kerfira
CCP Zymurgist: I fully approve of your message! Cool
Originally by: Morris Kane
If this so called "fix" goes though and you cannot do any lv5's in high sec.. i will be canceling my 4 accounts.
the challenge of doing them and often doing them with friends is one of the main appealing aspects for me in this game.

The thing is, since you're doing L5's for the challenge (or so you say), is that there'll be even more challenge now!
Not only will you and your friends have to defend and defeat the NPC's, you'll also have to be organised enough to beat off attackers (as intended with L5's).
Originally by: Morris Kane
If you end up taking it away.. why would i still pay to play?

Because (as you say) you play for the challenge!
Originally by: Morris Kane
Don;t nerf the cream of high sec missioning.. it will hurt a very large part of the player base.

They're not! They're fixing a bug that let low-sec content into high-sec. They're not touching high-sec missioning at all!
It won't hurt a 'large' part of the player base either... Only relatively few people have been exploiting this bug...

Face it! You've been exploiting a bug, and now that bug is getting fixed!



The challenge in level 5s is overcoming the PvE content, not about overcoming pirates scanning you down that have as much time as they like to organize a fleet to beat you. Not much challenge in simply being overwhelmed.

Since level 5 missions launched they've been part of high sec, CCP has never released statements about this not being intended. Therefore, everyone assumed this was the norm, perhaps it wasn't but to suddenly tell the player base that they're taking away their income/fun is rather upsetting.

Totally agree that very few players have been doing this. However I disagree that it's an exploit. Agents simply gave missions in high sec space, no effort was required on the players end to get them. level 5 missions simply appeared in high sec.

If this bug were something new, something that wasn't 3 years + old maybe it'd be viewed how you view it, as a long needed change. But the level 5 mission running player base in high sec won't, because it's been so long since CCP even addressed it.

Kinroi Alari
Gallente
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:02:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Dave Hourai
PVP IS THE NAME OF THIS GAME PEOPLE. IF IT WASN'T THERE WOULDNT BE WARS AND 0.0
you want only pve content, play WoW.


But...
How come all your kills are in Archee and Decon?
Seems to me that you're avoiding real PVP --
Come out to null sec! ^_^

Phasmatisss
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:03:00 - [84]
 


I did not mean to imply that only missioners made the items pirates like to buy, merely that pirates need carebears a lot more than they like to admit too.

---------------------------------------------------------------
You just melt down worthless mission trash to minerals and sell them yourself

Miners do all of the production almost.

Nice try though

---------------------------------------------------------------


Grumber1
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:05:00 - [85]
 

Haha awesome this is the biggest carebaer cry thread ever :D go go carebear stare!!!

Dave Hourai
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:06:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Jin Nib
The amount of risk aversion in this thread is disturbing. Especially given that half the people complaining are saying they run them because they are interesting, not for profit.

Suck it up, or stay in high-sec running level 4's.Rolling Eyes

Inappropriate comments removed. Zymurgist


QFT. This man get a medal. I said this same thing 2nd page. Stay in high sec, or QQ MOAR.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:06:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Grumber1
Haha awesome this is the biggest carebaer cry thread ever :D go go carebear stare!!!


Nah, it'd be bigger if they were nerfing level 4s. Most carebears thought level 5s were lowsec only.

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:10:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 11/06/2010 18:13:10
Originally by: Lukas Rox
Quote:
They're not! They're fixing a bug that let low-sec content into high-sec. They're not touching high-sec missioning at all!
It won't hurt a 'large' part of the player base either... Only relatively few people have been exploiting this bug...

Face it! You've been exploiting a bug, and now that bug is getting fixed!

You are so wrong mate, you are so wrong. Some of HIGH SEC L4 agents now only send to low sec as it is at all times the least crowded system in the constellation.

If you read the OP, you'd have realised that these are two DIFFERENT issues Cool
Originally by: Ghurthe
The challenge in level 5s is overcoming the PvE content, not about overcoming pirates scanning you down...

No, that is not the challenge in L5's... That is the reduced challenge in the BUGGED L5's!
Originally by: Ghurthe
Since level 5 missions launched they've been part of high sec, CCP has never released statements about this not being intended.

orly? (post #10)
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: goazer
Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too.
Don't count on that lasting forever. YARRRR!!

It was also made blindingly obvious when L5's were introduced...

Impact
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:11:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Dave Hourai
Originally by: Impact
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

When level 5 missions were first introduced back in 2007, it was intended that these missions take place only in low- and null-sec systems.



Well done. OH hey Every body lets take the t2 and faction fitted ships into null sec for a level 5..... Yey. Bubbles? What are all these bubbles around the gate? And how come theres a greeting party of 40+ ships?

What you mean we cant complete the level 5 now? Oh all the ships were killed by the gate camp fleet who owned that part of null sec? And CCP wont do anything to help? Oh well then.

Theres just a small portion of what the convos will be like. Whos brain in CCP was working magic the day you thought up "Lets make missions go into null sec! No the sovernty holders wont mind, there always an understanding lot."

Its amazingly funny how on the one hand CCP always says "eve is a game to go where ever, and do what ever you want" Then the right hand comes around, ***** slaps you and points to low sec, and null sec.



You failed SO hard, I cant even describe it. Bubbles. Do. Not. Work. In. Low. Sec... Fail.

CCP Wrangler: "You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy, lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for."


I clearly stated I was talken about null sec moron. Maybe you need to re read what I put so you can understand it.

And actually EMPIRE is more dangerious then null sec. I lived there a few times, and it wasnt hard to know who was out to kill you. Empire you jump a gate and you have no idea who is sitting on the other side, between suicide gankers, and greifers.

And all the content is in null sec. Better Moons, Planets, Plex's, Anoms. So the one thing empire had was level 5's every once and a while. Null sec is the easy life. Log in, go anom, make 30 mill per Sanctum that takes all of 20 minutes. Anythign thats not blue comes in. Kill it or dock. WOOO yeh thats a hard one.

I think null sec is the real care bears. There zones are more safe them empire.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

Kinroi Alari
Gallente
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:14:00 - [90]
 


Call me silly --
But I kinda hope that a lot of the "off the net" Incarna stuff is at low sec stations. I'm not gonna do level 5s in low sec, but I'll gladly dodge in and out of low sec for something like that, thereby giving our piwates someone to try to shoot. ^_^ (OK, maybe not Decon or Thakala, and running through Rancer and Tama ain't likely but ain't impossible... but going through Ostingle, Rahadolon, or Mifrata? Sure!)


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