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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.06.12 08:13:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 12/06/2010 08:15:04
Originally by: Fikreta


Originally by: Im Blue
if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty

I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.


It isn't about elitist attitude. It is seeing your demands for hardcore consequenses for players being plain silly. EVE does provide consequenses for characters, but there really isn't any reason to even try to provide consequenses for players for what one of their characters did in the game(bannable offences excluded). So what if you can get around some of the negatives or get slight advantage with alts over players with a single account? The same could be done with a friend in the exact same way. Using an alt is at times more convenient, but also makes you much less effective than actually having someone to help you. If you want hardcore consequenses for people that are really hard to avoid, you should stop playing video games and live in the real world.

There really isn't any point commenting on the methods, since there isn't a good reason to limit the use of alts anyway. It also has serious negative impact on some players gameplay and CCP's income. So basicly loads of effort with limited chance of success to achieve a goal that is against the interests of the company and parts of the playerbase Laughing

Im Blue
Posted - 2010.06.12 11:10:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Fikreta

[quote=Im Blue

if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty

I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.




LOL elitist, im just seeing this discussion for what it really is, you got ganked by someone and his/her falcon alt, you got upset and though ban all alts that will save me next time-quick to the forums.

i also fail to see how a alt makes eve no better than hello kitty? maybe if they all spouted rainbows and fluffy clouds, but as far as im concerned mine mostly fire guns.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.06.12 12:24:00 - [183]
 

Alts are here to stay, I myself have two main accounts that are always subbed and a couple of extras I subscribe on an "I need to" basis.

Disposeble Alt
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.12 13:10:00 - [184]
 

What is the use of this discussion?

Even if you would lock accounts to a dna profile to limit the account to a user and a user to one account it could be circumvented by acquiring a few dna samples of people that never ever will play eve themselves.

Why would you want ccp to put a rule into their policies that simply cannot be enforced?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.06.12 14:07:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I think that a large portion of CCPs income is derived from these "alts" of which you speak. There aren't any official figures available, but rough estimates could place the average number of accounts per unique person at least at two or more.

...
CCP as a company possibly survives by the probably intended feature of almost requiring an alt to be able to play with any modicum of efficiency. You can play with only one account, but you will almost always be behind most of the others in terms of isk and skillpoints.

There are around 320000 active accounts on Eve, but I usually assume (and IIRC one of the quarterly reports also reported that the average player in eve had 2.5 accounts, or something like that) that there are only around 60000 people who actually play the game.

If that number is correct* then I think CCP as a company would not be profitable at its current size if most players were only to have one account.

*There are a number of things that makes me think that this number is correct:
1. The almost desperate push for continual new features (PI, DUST, WHs, Sov etc) in Eve to attempt to bring in new players.
2. The incredible hubris that CCP publicly puts out in Marketing and in the forums, i.e. always attempting to brush and of the thousands of broken issues and negative complaints under the carpet.
3. The fact that almost every patch is never improved or developed upon as CCP is too busy working on the next new feature set.

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.06.12 14:10:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: V''hellu on 12/06/2010 15:22:56
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I think that a large portion of CCPs income is derived from these "alts" of which you speak. There aren't any official figures available, but rough estimates could place the average number of accounts per unique person at least at two or more.

...
CCP as a company possibly survives by the probably intended feature of almost requiring an alt to be able to play with any modicum of efficiency. You can play with only one account, but you will almost always be behind most of the others in terms of isk and skillpoints.

There are around 320000 active accounts on Eve, but I usually assume (and IIRC one of the quarterly reports also reported that the average player in eve had 2.5 accounts, or something like that) that there are only around 60000 people who actually play the game.

If that number is correct* then I think CCP as a company would not be profitable at its current size if most players were only to have one account.

*There are a number of things that makes me think that this number is correct:
1. The almost desperate push for continual new features (PI, DUST, WHs, Sov etc) in Eve to attempt to bring in new players.
2. The incredible hubris that CCP publicly puts out in Marketing and in the forums, i.e. always attempting to brush and of the thousands of broken issues and negative complaints under the carpet.
3. The fact that almost every patch is never improved or developed upon as CCP is too busy working on the next new feature set.


If that's true, then that says more about how the game needs to be fixed so it doesn't require alts rather than otherwise. Make it a bit more fast-paced (no waiting months for skills), and maybe more people would be willing to play, hence more cash for CCP? Just sayin'...

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.12 14:12:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I have sold/biomassed the alt's I had. Now I only have three mains left. Laughing

That and an appreciation of Peter F Hamilton Wink

Oh yes! Very Happy

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.06.12 14:50:00 - [188]
 

If you notice, none of the CCP mods or devs have even bothered to reply to this topic.

Makes me wonder if they know that multiple accounts is unfair and wrong, but yet they are in fact doing it purely for the money...

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.06.12 15:07:00 - [189]
 

Simple fix for alts: Let us see all trades/transactions etc between characters. Then it will be possible to work out who is supplying who and act accordingly.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.06.12 18:38:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: polly pritypants


we can tell who has rl mates :D

boxing


Oh dear lord.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2010.06.12 19:57:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: V'hellu
If you notice, none of the CCP mods or devs have even bothered to reply to this topic.

Makes me wonder if they know that multiple accounts is unfair and wrong, but yet they are in fact doing it purely for the money...



0/10

Cura 666
Posted - 2010.06.12 20:50:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
CCP is a business.

Anything they can do to increase subscriber count and generate revenue should be explored.

Why? Because the more revenue they generate equals more development on this game and any other games they want to deploy off the same IP, like Dust 514.
[...]


So maybe they should just shut this **** up and develop another wow clone Rolling Eyes

Feyleaf
Posted - 2010.06.13 05:24:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 13/06/2010 05:33:36
I would get bored playing only one account.. get 2x24" and try it for awhile, it gives the game entirely new dimensions and awesome multitaking practice and brain gymnastics ;)
If you meant 3 chars with fast training to begin.. for scouts/cyno's and stuff thats awesome as is :D

Amitious Turkey
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2010.06.13 05:31:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Amitious Turkey on 13/06/2010 05:38:02
I have one account. I can't keep track of more than one person, and this is it. My other alts on the same account I haven't played in at least a year.

For those who can handle multitasking, I'm impressed. More power to 'em.

Fikreta: How will you motivate CCP to annihilate a large portion of their income? Regardless of whether or not people agree with you, the company won't, ever. So isn't the whole discussion moot?

Conmen
Vengeance of the Fallen
Syndicate.
Posted - 2010.06.13 08:14:00 - [195]
 

stop wining noob

Tarasina
Posted - 2010.06.13 17:40:00 - [196]
 

The official numbers are:

300 000 unique accounts, total accounts 660 000, so more than 2 accounts per person on average.

What they consider to be unique is something I wonder about, different credit card numbers?

I run 2 accounts, just because 1 is boring. I fall asleep playing just one, literally.

Aunt margret
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:29:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Tarasina
The official numbers are:

I fall asleep playing just one, literally.


Why all those casual players in there millions vote with their feet and ignore eve all together.Neutral

Saying that though, makes sense ignoring that volotile market and sticking with the hardcore that arn't going anywhere, getting them into mass multiple accouting makes up the numbers.

Id imagine though that the numbers in terms of millions that more player friendly games are putting up at the momment do make them wonder 'what if'


Java Hun
Rockey Mountain Lumber Co.
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:38:00 - [198]
 

Just because you cant afford more than one account doesn't mean we should stop using our alts. I know i give around a grand a year to CCP for mine, Times that times all the people with just as many alts as me and there you go...no way they'd get rid of that type of pretty much passive income.

Kewso
Posted - 2010.06.13 18:38:00 - [199]
 

yea alts suck

unfortunately almost every mmorpg has them

people have been whining for over 8 years about buffbots in daoc, etc.
other games alts are used as buffbots, mules, or to "solo" harder encounters to farm loot.

noone has been able to stop them

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2010.06.13 19:04:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Kewso
noone has been able to stop them


Few if any have tryed, the only players who care about alts is a small group of self proclaimed "hardcore" players. Money gets **** done, you can whine all you want on the forums aslong as the casual carebears are CCPs main source of income, you hardcore basement dwellers are not going to change a damn thing.






CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.06.13 19:47:00 - [201]
 

Everyone please remember to post constructively and don't troll or feed the trolls.

Throatslitter
Posted - 2010.06.13 21:22:00 - [202]
 

To the OP: Whatever mate!

Ever tried playing in the Oceanic timezone with only one alt? The timezone where even the big alliances struggle to get more than 50 people in their fleet ... it is very, very boring.

An army of alts in some cases are the only effective way of accomplishing certain PVE\PVP goals.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2010.06.13 21:27:00 - [203]
 

I do not care for alts. Not because I cannot afford for them, but because it makes for a weak play style. Controlling two or more accounts requires a lot of attention and usually the person who cannot play with only one account often has an attention deficiency. It usually is a person who needs to have multiple accounts and lacks patience to get along with only one. For them things need to be happening fast or not at all.

I personally find it boring to play with players who use more than one account. They are more busy with managing their characters than with the people who they are playing with. It makes them stressed, nervous players who can only play EVE their way and one needs to adjust to their ways or they fail to fit in.

I do not want to take away what they feel as necessary even when I find it wrong to play an MMO in such a way. It is just a form of solo play, which requires to have multiple accounts.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.06.14 12:47:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:08:33
Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:01:59
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Edited by: MaxxOmega on 11/06/2010 11:57:22
Originally by: Fikreta
Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.

And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement...
CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...


Originally by: Im Blue
i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.

i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that.
id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.



Well said, everyone else can **** off...


Laughing

You can call my posts stupid all you like, just as you can call people who say the world is round is stupid because it infringes on your mentally deficient viewpoint, but that doesn't make them or me wrong . Smile

Let me rephrase what you quoted.

Quote:
I like to do everything in the game without relying on anyone, because i like playing an MMORPG solo mode despite the game being based on the idea that it works like reality, everyone contributes a part and noone can do everything alone, unlike OFFLINE RPGS. I am, in effect, completely defeating the purpose of paying extra per month to keep their servers running, when I could play an offline RPG free and just keep a chat client open and talk to my friends and use Omegle to talk to random strangers if I became so inclined. but thats cause Im an idiot who loves ****ing away money


FYQP~

BUt yeah, have fun with your delusions while calling everyone else delusional ugh


Trolling and off topic comments removed. Zymurgist

Wow, what a loser. Even the mods think (know) your a troll...

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.17 18:04:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: BrundleMeth
it's just a game ffs


Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.

You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.




QFT FTW



Any accusations of Trolling is used with the same judiciousness around here as accusations of people being terrorists to turn public opinion against them.

its silly scare tactics from children who would rather not argue the point because they dont want to lose so call it trolling to try to invalidate it that way. funny thing is that truth is truth no matter if only one person believes it, or even if noone beliees it. it still exists.

so keep claiming people are trolls just because you disagree with them guiys/mods, Im sure that makes you very mature and useful to the development of eve into a better game than it is right now. pat yourselves on the back for a job well done in crying "troll" to try to win arguments.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.06.18 00:27:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: BrundleMeth
it's just a game ffs


Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.

You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.




QFT FTW



Any accusations of Trolling is used with the same judiciousness around here as accusations of people being terrorists to turn public opinion against them.

its silly scare tactics from children who would rather not argue the point because they dont want to lose so call it trolling to try to invalidate it that way. funny thing is that truth is truth no matter if only one person believes it, or even if noone beliees it. it still exists.

so keep claiming people are trolls just because you disagree with them guiys/mods, Im sure that makes you very mature and useful to the development of eve into a better game than it is right now. pat yourselves on the back for a job well done in crying "troll" to try to win arguments.
Um, I wasn't arguing. Personally I think your a clown not worth trying to prove anything to. But you do make me laugh, you take yourself quite seriously. You need to relax or go take a big dump or say something else profound lol...

David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.06.18 00:53:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre
Dear Op!
Ultimately this is a game.
Stop taking it too seriously.


this

also stop being a tight ass and get a second account

Amanda Rothschild
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:17:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Amanda Rothschild on 18/06/2010 13:37:56
Edited by: Amanda Rothschild on 18/06/2010 13:19:27
Originally by: Fikreta
Edited by: Fikreta on 08/06/2010 12:15:40
So I've heard countless times how EVE is cruel cold hardcore unforgiving blah blah world. But it's all just cheap propaganda. Empty words. Why? Because CCP is not only tolerating THE MOST CAREBEARISH FEATURE of all - multiaccounting, they are actually encouraging it by designing their whole game in a way that everyone not having at least one additional account is automatically less competitive and efficient no matter what he does and how much time he invests in the game.

It doesn't really matter if you were missioner, miner, lowsec ganker, trader, industrialist, 0.0 drone... you WILL enter easy game mode the very minute you start your second account and it WILL become only more and more easier further along the line with every next account you might decide to opet later.

But even that is not the main problem here. It's the very basic concept of multi-character server (MCS) CCP is using, slowly but maliciously enticing their playerbase to sink into the hell hole of multiboxing. Unfortunately, what they apparently don't realize is that alt zergs are damaging every single aspect of this game, turning it into one ridiculously shallow carebear fluffy happy land where everyone is free to do whatever he wants easily evading REAL and long term consequences for their actions.

I think CCP should ban multiaccounting asap. Let me to quickly sum up why, without going into details which would take too much space.

1) EVE is MMO game, right? As such, it should promote interaction and cooperation between players instead of giving them opportunity to become more or less self-sufficient; MCS is not helping this, quite opposite.

2) Having multiple characters only translates to abuse, self reliance, and a innate sense of personal security as you can always be someone else at any given moment if things get rough. Carebearish enough? Sure but hold on, there's more.

3) Using multiple characters which can solve numerous market/trade tasks without having to resort to other people is effectively diminishing the economy.

4) Accountability which basically circles around the need for an personal identity for any character and accountability for their actions; this is almost non-existant in EVE because we can always create, or better: buy yet another fresh character and all our previos nefarious deeds are instantly erased.

5) Sec status, standings, flagging and such are on the brink of irrelevant: whatever you do with one character, you still have another one to jump into and do everything you otherwise could not. In other words, with multiple characters that have no immediate affiliation with one another you can easily roam the space doing whatever you want without suffering any consequences for your previus actions.

6) With multiple characters, or personalities, you can easily act as you wish with one person and drastically change this dependent on who you speak to. Now, while the argument that you can do this regardless is sound, without multiple characters certain traits have to be universally accepted. This transformation does not solely apply to market. By adding MCS to game no player can truly be trusted, and many players become *******s without accountability. Normal activities in the game become a chore, because while in a sandbox environment you shouldn’t trust others without foundation, in a sandbox game with MCS you’re unable to trust others, regardless of past interaction with them.


Stupid Poor People! Throw your hands up! Stupid Poor People! \o/

PS Working as intended

*edit* this is a reference to "I kill people" Jonlajoie look it up on youtube newbs
*2nd edit* Music video has explict lyrics, have on headphones if at work...

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:56:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Skye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
]it's just a game ffs

Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.

You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.




QFT FTW



Any accusations of Trolling is used with the same judiciousness around here as accusations of people being terrorists to turn public opinion against them.

its silly scare tactics from children who would rather not argue the point because they dont want to lose so call it trolling to try to invalidate it that way. funny thing is that truth is truth no matter if only one person believes it, or even if noone beliees it. it still exists.

so keep claiming people are trolls just because you disagree with them guiys/mods, Im sure that makes you very mature and useful to the development of eve into a better game than it is right now. pat yourselves on the back for a job well done in crying "troll" to try to win arguments.
Um, I wasn't arguing. Personally I think your a clown not worth trying to prove anything to. But you do make me laugh, you take yourself quite seriously. You need to relax or go take a big dump or say something else profound lol...



you take it seriously enough to call me names and repost so I figure you could use a dump yourself, since you obviously care too much but of course the "hey lets not be so serious guys lol ur silly" argument is the recourse of failed intellectuals Laughing much as you say you're laughing at me Im laughing at you trying to be "too cool" to make yourself feel less inferior. ugh

Creepin
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:18:00 - [210]
 

Edited by: Creepin on 18/06/2010 17:19:15
Originally by: Selinate
I agree with the OP also. Access to 2 or more accounts for players give an unfair advantage to those without the capacity (or want) to have more than 1 account.

Are you... serious? Like, you're really telling that people who invested more of their time/effort into certain activity (playing eve in this example) shouldn't have any advantages over those who invested (noticeably) less time/effort? Sounds like an idiocy for me. Rolling Eyes

Or may be I get it wrong and you're just telling that playing eve is conceptually different than all other hobbies/activities around, which (surprise!) always gives advantages for those who invested more? Very Happy


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