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Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.11 02:23:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Ekrid on 11/06/2010 02:26:43

the really bad thing is CCP is encouraging that kind of behavior with their "deals" and limitations on single accounts and whatnot.

I'd say live your life how you want to, if you wan't to be an idiot. unfortunately if 1 person has a problem, its everyone's problem. Everyone's connected and we aren't in this ourselves. You problems will affect other people.

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Fikreta
Originally by: BrundleMeth
it's just a game ffs


Well remember that next time you call someone a carebear, taste his delicious tears and/or show him a way to ---> /random MMO game here/
Very well said. QFT.

You're touching on the hypocrisy that exists among some of the most prevalent "hardcore" players of the game. I'd dare say most of the idiots that spout "HTFU" and "cry some moar, carebear" bring their own risks down and close to zero with the use of alts.




QFT.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

S Pada
Posted - 2010.06.11 02:37:00 - [152]
 

every one can ***** and mone about this and other things in the game as much as thay want as i do my self as i find eve not as much of a sand box as ccp likes to think but any who.

its all about the money to pocket ratio so as long as they are not dropping in money they will not change any think. so even posting and reading this forums makes it a waist of time but i do like to know people fell the same way about things

Jason Babbage
Posted - 2010.06.11 02:43:00 - [153]
 

------> MMORPG/RTS <------------

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.11 03:25:00 - [154]
 

I agree with the OP also. Access to 2 or more accounts for players give an unfair advantage to those without the capacity (or want) to have more than 1 account.

I also know, however, that they must be making a decent income from letting players have more than 1 account. It's BS but it's true. I guess in the end I'd rather have multiple accounts than non-free expansions.

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.11 05:16:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Selinate
I agree with the OP also. Access to 2 or more accounts for players give an unfair advantage to those without the capacity (or want) to have more than 1 account.

I also know, however, that they must be making a decent income from letting players have more than 1 account. It's BS but it's true. I guess in the end I'd rather have multiple accounts than non-free expansions.



really? Cause I know I'd pay 15$ a month more if the playing field was fair. But people want their carebear gaming with their alt slave armies.

I'd pay 15$ a month for expansions if they had something of substance, I'd pay 15$ if they made this game competitive for everyone and not for who has the highest USD/Life ratio.

Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
Posted - 2010.06.11 06:36:00 - [156]
 



Originally by: Fikreta
one man armies roaming around whole New Eden.


lol



Zek Keiria
Posted - 2010.06.11 09:30:00 - [157]
 

I'd like to see the use of IRL friends banned. How is it fair that all you glee club captains with access to drones of IRL friends piloting massive blobs, amassing endless wealth just run over poor no-life, no-friends, grandmother's basement dwellers like me?

Yes, Eve needs more rules and restrictions so that it can be more hardcore and less carebear. Let's just completely adopt the hardcore Runescape rulez for ultimate PvP paradise - they don't allow multiaccounts.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2010.06.11 09:34:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Zek Keiria
I'd like to see the use of IRL friends banned. How is it fair that all you glee club captains with access to drones of IRL friends piloting massive blobs, amassing endless wealth just run over poor no-life, no-friends, grandmother's basement dwellers like me?


i'll be your friend Very Happy

Tribunia
Posted - 2010.06.11 09:36:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Tribunia on 11/06/2010 09:38:22
Originally by: Kendar
The fact is this game is so heavily dependant on cooperation and not singleplayer that people are forced to use alts cause there are not always people around to assist you with every litle thing that need 2 people


This. Like everything else CCP promotes as being neccessary elements of cooperation just because it s an mmorpg and people are buyng that crap.

The hidden agenda tho, is to lure and entice people into using multiple accounts to boost their revenue instead of making the game sensible, ie not being dependandt on a 2nd player to move your carrier etc.

With all due respect CCP, you suck in that department and hard too. Sad

Fikreta
Posted - 2010.06.11 09:57:00 - [160]
 

Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.

Im Blue
Posted - 2010.06.11 10:11:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Fikreta
Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.


i fail to understand why it is sad state that allows alts.

if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty

Rainb0w bright
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:09:00 - [162]
 

i find all the people that are posting that there should be multiboxing are the ones that need the alts ie -10, people that are war deced all the time coz they're tools, the list goes on, and i find these people the biggest care bears coz they don't have the nuts to run there accounts like they want to be a pirate, be a pirate, and hire people to run your goods to you thats the point of the op. eve has gone downhill. I got 3 toons and there all in the same corp as me and where ever i go, but i do not multibox, there is no need for them wen i got corp mates and alliance members. but i'm going to wait to see what ccp has to say at fan fest and i hope this comes up, more about the rr more then any thing, as i voted for the csm who felt strongly about rr neutrals and if they decide there not going to do any thing i will be stopping my accounts and that is the only way to fix things is to effect there income then they will change things.

Im Blue
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:16:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Rainb0w bright
i find all the people that are posting that there should be multiboxing are the ones that need the alts ie -10, people that are war deced all the time coz they're tools.


i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.

i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that.
id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.


Cone Filler
Perkone
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:23:00 - [164]
 

Activate 1 gun and ill activate 1 gun

oops i activated 3 guns


CHEATER!!!! TO THE FORUMS OMFG HAXS

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:33:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Im Blue
i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that.


That's why i made an extra account, so i can have one account i specialise in pvp and one where i pick skills without any major plan.


Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:34:00 - [166]
 

I am wondering how all the multiaccount haters suggest that CCP (once they get over the hit in revenue) police and enforce this suggestion?

I am happy to admit that I run 2 accounts. I have 2 computers/screens/Keyboards/mice set up in my computer room.
I am not a hardcore player, I have a life, a full time job and a fulltime GF. I just like to run 2 accounts that support each other.

How is CCP supposed to differentiat between me and a father paying for two accounts (one for each of his sons) running on different computers in the same house?

MaxxOmega
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:55:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: MaxxOmega on 11/06/2010 11:57:22
Originally by: Fikreta
Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.

And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement...
CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...


Originally by: Im Blue
i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.

i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that.
id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.



Well said, everyone else can **** off...

Rainb0w bright
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:57:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Fikreta
Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.

And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement...
CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...


get a 2nd phone line :P

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.06.11 12:03:00 - [169]
 

In part I agree but then I see reasons for them not as well.

My question thought, is how?

You could do it by email address but email addresses are easy to create.

You could do it by credit card but then they're also easy to get and there's also the fact that people can play with plex's.

You could do it by IP address but then what if someone plays at a gaming center or if to players share a house\internet connection?

Realistically, there's no way of limiting one account per person without gimping the game into something horrible where it gives pops and verifications every 2 min... wait... make that every 5min and that's PI :P

plus, alot of people in eve are morons

beautyispain
Posted - 2010.06.11 12:11:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I think that a large portion of CCPs income is derived from these "alts" of which you speak. There aren't any official figures available, but rough estimates could place the average number of accounts per unique person at least at two or more.

By disallowing second accounts, there would probably be more negative fallout than you suspect. The indy alt corp that supplies your pvp main corp with ships and modules? Kiss that goodbye, as one example.

Capital ships would suck even more than they do already, imagine trying to move your carrier without alts. Just relying on a chain of your corp or alliance mates to move you along. They'd resent you for it, or maybe not even be online at the time you need to move.

Also, if alts were removed from the game, I'd not be posting here. So, to some there may be a benefit.


Who are you and what did you do with Cat??

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.06.11 13:48:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
In part I agree but then I see reasons for them not as well.

My question thought, is how?

You could do it by email address but email addresses are easy to create.

You could do it by credit card but then they're also easy to get and there's also the fact that people can play with plex's.

You could do it by IP address but then what if someone plays at a gaming center or if to players share a house\internet connection?

Realistically, there's no way of limiting one account per person without gimping the game into something horrible where it gives pops and verifications every 2 min... wait... make that every 5min and that's PI :P

plus, alot of people in eve are morons


Use ingame methods. Let us see all transactions between characters and then we can work out who is supplying who with isk etc. Then we know which mission runner alt to gank as payback for losing an ibis to a gatecamp. Also opens up a new career in eve - inport/export houses who provide anonymous transactions, as well as rewarding smarter players who hide their alts better.


Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.11 14:07:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Ana Vyr on 11/06/2010 14:07:34
I have no hate for the folks who use multiple accounts at all.

Eve is just one of many hobbies for me, and I play two MMO's. I have self imposed rule that I'm only going to pay for one "account" per hobby.

Under that constraint, I am at a disadvantage in game in my chosen field of industry.

That's the only beef I have with the multiple account thing. I'd like to be able to run the other characters on that account simultaneously to reduce (not eliminate) the disadvantages I face. That's all.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.11 14:40:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Originally by: Selinate
I agree with the OP also. Access to 2 or more accounts for players give an unfair advantage to those without the capacity (or want) to have more than 1 account.

I also know, however, that they must be making a decent income from letting players have more than 1 account. It's BS but it's true. I guess in the end I'd rather have multiple accounts than non-free expansions.



really? Cause I know I'd pay 15$ a month more if the playing field was fair. But people want their carebear gaming with their alt slave armies.

I'd pay 15$ a month for expansions if they had something of substance, I'd pay 15$ if they made this game competitive for everyone and not for who has the highest USD/Life ratio.



Well, this is a game. And just like how I don't care enough about this game to pay for a second account, I don't care enough either to force people to get rid of their multiple accounts in the name of fairness in an MMO if it means I have to pay more.

Bloody Meridian
Posted - 2010.06.11 16:37:00 - [174]
 

I don't actually give a **** either way, but I do know people who wouldn't even start up with Eve because they knew they would pretty much need more than one account. Just sayin'.

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.06.11 16:43:00 - [175]
 

Hahahahaha Laughing

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:26:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Digital Solaris


To be honest, I am happy that I can afford multiple accounts so I won't have to rely on a bunch of madly jealous neurotic asshats for stuff to be done. It is just not worth the time or the headache I'd get from dealing with one of you. As matter of fact, the next time CCP has another Power of Two deal, I plan to get my fifth account.



You speak like you aren't a neurotic asshat yourself, then...


Nope, I am happily angry and murderous. Wink

Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Digital Solaris

A harsh, cruel, cold and bitter truth for you right there. Suck on that fact along your whine and cheese whilst I will have more of your absolutely divine tears, like a fine wine, as they roll down your cheeks until they flow down into my empty glass.


ROFL


With a profound love for harsh language.

Jack Coutu
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.06.11 17:28:00 - [177]
 

I like the insane jabbering of the guy accusing people of being drug addicts. You do realize that most people with alts make enough ISK to buy plex for the accounts from people that are too lazy to do anything in game like dual box missions or run an industrial set up?

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.12 05:00:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:08:33
Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 05:01:59
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Edited by: MaxxOmega on 11/06/2010 11:57:22
Originally by: Fikreta
Very well put Ekrid, thank you.

It's good to know that there are people like you (and few others posting in this thread as well) who are capable to comprehend what is really going on here and to see sad state this game and its playerbase are turning into.

And the two of you are completely delusional. Ekrid has some of the stupidest post I've ever read and it's not surprising you would be in agreement...
CCP wants to make money. EVERYTHING else is just fluff. Multiple accounts make CCP more money. And there would be absolutely no way whatsoever to stop this from happening without spending far more money then the issue is worth. It's never gonna happen. So live with it or quit...


Originally by: Im Blue
i have 6 accounts, i have not one with negative sec nor do i have any currently with war dec's, i dont use them to avoid dec's either.

i use them all for different jobs. why? cos there is no way im waiting years to do it all on 1 guy, sod that.
id guess most people with more than 1 account have simlar reasons, why wait years to have 1 person spec'd in everything when you can just train someone else to do it.



Well said, everyone else can **** off...


Laughing

You can call my posts stupid all you like, just as you can call people who say the world is round is stupid because it infringes on your mentally deficient viewpoint, but that doesn't make them or me wrong . Smile

Let me rephrase what you quoted.

Quote:
I like to do everything in the game without relying on anyone, because i like playing an MMORPG solo mode despite the game being based on the idea that it works like reality, everyone contributes a part and noone can do everything alone, unlike OFFLINE RPGS. I am, in effect, completely defeating the purpose of paying extra per month to keep their servers running, when I could play an offline RPG free and just keep a chat client open and talk to my friends and use Omegle to talk to random strangers if I became so inclined. but thats cause Im an idiot who loves ****ing away money


FYQP~

BUt yeah, have fun with your delusions while calling everyone else delusional ugh


Trolling and off topic comments removed. Zymurgist

Fikreta
Posted - 2010.06.12 07:43:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Ana Vyr
I have no hate for the folks who use multiple accounts at all.

I don't hate altoholics either - it's not their fault because CCP has put the things to work this way. On the other hand, I despise CCP for what they're doing here.

Originally by: Im Blue
if you want the illusion of fairness its about time you either grow up or go play hellokitty

I'm not asking for 'fairness'. What's that? I only want this game to become what it falsely pretends to be: tough hardcore MMO for smart and patient people, providing consequences for their actions. Swarm of alts and multiboxing are making it no better than hellokitty so you better put away that silly elitist attitude.

Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
My question thought, is how?

While the best method to stop multiaccounting would be to remove reasons/limitations forcing people to think about their 2nd, 3rd... account, technically speaking you already gave few valid answers so let me to just expand them a little bit:

* concept 'one user = one account = one character';
* unique email address on registration (no free webmail services allowed);
* valid credit card together with basic personal info which can be veryfied at any time;
* IP check supported by program routine which creates and analizes a log file on every user login (username, timestamp, IP, etc), searching for certain common patterns typical for multiaccounting and sending results back to GMs to take a closer look;
* surveying of contacts established between characters in game with isk/assets transfers being the primary target - another automated process which must be necessarily put in correlation with the data provided in previous steps;
* adding an application to client to silently work in the background and scan memory in search for multiple clients running in the same time;
* communication with playerbase - education that multiaccounting is hurting everyone, and encouraging people to report suspected abuse;

Obviously, people behind LAN and families with several members playing the game should notify CCP so they are eventually put on some sort of exception list. Malicious proxy users remain problem though, but with all system and GM checks on place their presence should be minimalized in time.

I'll also repeat what I said before: it's not possible to completely prevent multiaccounting but it's possible to fight it simultaneously on several different levels so at the end you will find out that vast majority of players just don't dare to risk - especially after they hear about that poor sucker in their corp being perma banned for breaking the EULA.

Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
Posted - 2010.06.12 08:04:00 - [180]
 

this is a pretty long troll thread. good job op



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