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Zen Dijun
Posted - 2010.06.08 14:55:00 - [31]
 

I very much agree with the OP on this issue. I refuse to purchase an ALT as I like to depend on others and I believe that's the best part of the game. Purchasing ALT's lends its self to soloing the game and reducing the fun of it. Secondly, those who purchase Alts need to get a life... as they probably spend way too much time in EVE.

But... that being said, it's impossible to stop multi-accounts...

-- My Two Cents

Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:04:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Zen Dijun
I very much agree with the OP on this issue. I refuse to purchase an ALT as I like to depend on others and I believe that's the best part of the game. Purchasing ALT's lends its self to soloing the game and reducing the fun of it. Secondly, those who purchase Alts need to get a life... as they probably spend way too much time in EVE.

But... that being said, it's impossible to stop multi-accounts...

-- My Two Cents


So I have one character in a PvP corp. I get to socialize, work with that corp, and have fun playing with those people.

I have another character that is in an industrial alliance. He works with the industrial corp to help research blueprints and can probe in that area in the hopes of finding grav sites for the alliance.

So, I still socialize with both characters. Neither toon is soloable for any lenghth of time anymore so than a lone character is. Both still need people in game making the T2 stuff, helping form fleets, etc. This setup simply lets me enjoy two seperate aspects of the game, that I could not do with one character unless I had an extra year to train up skills, and in both case, i feel helpful and contribute to our corp/alliance goals.

As for the generic no life statement... what do you define as a life? Going out to bars, getting wasted? I'll pass. Going to sporting events which I really don't care about? I'll pass. Going to concerts, socializing with my friends, keeping a good stable job? I already do all those and happen to enjoy eve as part of my gaming hobby. So really, if that's the best you can come up with, sorry but your definition of what a "life" isn't necessarily correct nor is it the same "life" we all strive for. To each their own.

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:07:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Zen Dijun
Secondly, those who purchase Alts need to get a life... as they probably spend way too much time in EVE.
-- My Two Cents


Oooooh, baseless assumptions! <3
Don't you think those who argue about other's free time and what they do in private might sign that they too need to get at least one more cup of this mystical "life"? Wink
Seriously now.
This is getting reminiscent of the "my way is the only way" threads.

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:22:00 - [34]
 

I agree with the OP, but CCP isn't going to ever cut into their own profits and ban multiaccounting and noone is going to de-sub their alts regardless of how convincing your post is. Personally, I'd love to see alts go, and I wouldn't mind losing my own alt, as long as everyone else did too.


I'd like to ask my own question now: If multiboxing was banned, would you be willing to pay however much you currently pay for all your current accounts to play on just one account? Assuming everyone else would pay the same rate as you (I saw that whine coming).

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:30:00 - [35]
 

multiple accounts helps new players get around not having specalised skills in every area, this is why we get 3 alts (per account) 3 sets of focused attributes and 3 ways build them.

multiple accounts can help loney rude freidnless players get more of the games rich quality wihtout having to be social or trust anyone (trust is a massive thing in this game if you haddnt already noticed). also theres supercaps which once in your uber 90m sp char is worthless as anything else in the game for the time he flies it, enter in a 100% trusted alt to hold it while you need to do other things. Lastly and this is the most important reason why it wont change, multiple accounts = more money for ccp, its a busniess and dont forget it.

President Not'Sure
Shut Up Woman Get On My Horse
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:39:00 - [36]
 

So, you do realize some of us have more than one computer and even if they banned alt accounts they wouldn't be able to stop us. Just start an account under a different name and pay in PLEX, running it on your laptop or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with an alt account, mine is just to save time salvaging or trading so my main can do the more important things like pew pew pirates. Just because you can't afford one doesn't mean those of us who can should be punished for your financial failure.

Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:42:00 - [37]
 

I use my alts to gain an advantage over other players.

How is this wrong?

Zen Dijun
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:45:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Zen Dijun
I very much agree with the OP on this issue. I refuse to purchase an ALT as I like to depend on others and I believe that's the best part of the game. Purchasing ALT's lends its self to soloing the game and reducing the fun of it. Secondly, those who purchase Alts need to get a life... as they probably spend way too much time in EVE.

But... that being said, it's impossible to stop multi-accounts...

-- My Two Cents


So I have one character in a PvP corp. I get to socialize, work with that corp, and have fun playing with those people.

I have another character that is in an industrial alliance. He works with the industrial corp to help research blueprints and can probe in that area in the hopes of finding grav sites for the alliance.

So, I still socialize with both characters. Neither toon is soloable for any lenghth of time anymore so than a lone character is. Both still need people in game making the T2 stuff, helping form fleets, etc. This setup simply lets me enjoy two seperate aspects of the game, that I could not do with one character unless I had an extra year to train up skills, and in both case, i feel helpful and contribute to our corp/alliance goals.

As for the generic no life statement... what do you define as a life? Going out to bars, getting wasted? I'll pass. Going to sporting events which I really don't care about? I'll pass. Going to concerts, socializing with my friends, keeping a good stable job? I already do all those and happen to enjoy eve as part of my gaming hobby. So really, if that's the best you can come up with, sorry but your definition of what a "life" isn't necessarily correct nor is it the same "life" we all strive for. To each their own.


Every situation is different of course. I happen to know a few fellas in my alliance who are always on when I login and who own 4 accounts. Yes, to each their own... as for getting a life, you can choose to interpret that in whatever way you want.

Dani WH
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:47:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ana Vyr
I agree with the OP.

I refuse to buy a second account despite the self-nerfing it causes, just on principle.

To me, you should be able to be as effective as anyone else in the game with only a single personal account. My industry corp mates laugh their asses off at me for this stance as they merrily run two Hulks and a Orca per player.

45 bucks a month to play a MMO seems way over the top to me. Shrug.


you can pay by PLEX

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:49:00 - [40]
 

Dear OP,

Please HTFU.

I have just decided to create a new account. I previously trained two other characters and transferred them to the same account as my main is on.
The new account will be used not only to give me additional income to fund my pirating in low-sec, it will also give me an opportunity to infiltrate other corporations, thus increasing the griefing potential.

That is all.

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:52:00 - [41]
 

Though I agree with the spirit of the OP on a fundamental level, theory is different than practice.

Stephanie MacKenzie
Farsight Enterprises LLC
Independent Faction
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:55:00 - [42]
 

Wow, the OP is butthurt. You'd think he just realized that one of his alts hasn't magically come to life, and that he's been cybering with his little brother for the past three months.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:04:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Hon Dao on 08/06/2010 16:21:36
Some people are needy and have to validate their existence through extensive interactions with other people. They have problems with their identity, and as a consequence have to develop a definite focus as to what their personality actually is, because that is core to the interaction with the other people that they need so much. Both what they are to themselves and others.

Meanwhile some of us are perfectly capable of standing on our own two feet, and adapting to circumstances by becoming more diverse in our abilities and outlooks, to the point we become self sufficient, even to the extent of being better able to consider all the different sides to any argument, thanks to having a kind of multiple personality that is frequently in conflict with itself.


You rely on other people, which makes you weaker as an individual, yet stronger as a group.

We rely on ourselves, which makes us stronger individuals, yet as a result we cannot so easily work as a group, and do not have the same focus as a group that you do.


And yes, "Everyone must be like me" is a typical attitude coming from those people who feel insecure about their own identity, and therefore have to associate with similar people as validation.

Sir Suicidealt
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:20:00 - [44]
 

Well am an alt of a few other alts but thats thanks to CCP doing the Power of 2 so I guess the OP missed out on the promotion.Rolling Eyes

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:29:00 - [45]
 

TBH you can replace "alts" in the OP with "Skillpoints" or "isk" and you'd have the same rant. Having run out of things to do with the latter 2 I just went and subbed a few alts myself :D

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:37:00 - [46]
 

I love my alts. I am in NZ so not so many people on in my time zone without join crappy ANZAC or my friends in Syndicate (I'm bored of Syndicate :D ). I just run around 2-3 character and have some fun. Also I never like having to share my 10/10 loot because I need some other prick to help with plex :D.

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:44:00 - [47]
 

Ah alts. The bane of eve. Except my own of course. <.<

Alts will never go away as theres 100% sure no way to tell if a character is an alt.
Would be nice if we could "audit" characters tho to see who they gave/recieved isk to/from, or contracted/traded with. Right now theres no way to kill the economic backbone of the guys harassing you.

Dztrgovac
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:53:00 - [48]
 

Please, stop defending CCP in this. No, a lot functionality provided by multi accounting can't be replaced with ISK or SP in same context. Game does greatly encourage and reward multi accounting.

How many other MMOs are $30 or $45 per month in practice? CCP greatly encouraged multiboxing to increase its income when increasing true sub numbers was much greater; now that EVE is game where you will suffer and be behind if you don't run more than one account, EVE becomes even more niche as there aren't that many possible customers willing to pay that much for a game.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:55:00 - [49]
 

you know, when you type hateful troll bull**** and disguise it with articulate descriptions and a high grade level of writing, its still hateful troll bull****.

1/10.


Akaraut
Gallente
Dawn and Dusk Industries
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:57:00 - [50]
 

To the OP, i quote the heavy weapons guy from team fortress 2: "Waaaaaa cry some more!"

I would point out why removing alts will never happen, but i'd just be repeating all the other posts.

oolk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.08 17:06:00 - [51]
 

He madz...

IF CCP would transfer my alt sps onto my main,I might consider it :)

Cool 75mil sps (built from scratch,not bought)to sprinkle over a 85mil sps char...yum...

Arc Reven
Posted - 2010.06.08 17:08:00 - [52]
 

OP is correct on every point, and the only reason CCP won't is because of the money/multiboxer tears. Every "counterpoint" in this thread was already shot down by the OP.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.06.08 17:27:00 - [53]
 

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10 to 1 this is the OP's alt...just sayin'. Wink



Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.06.08 17:33:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Arc Reven
OP is correct on every point, and the only reason CCP won't is because of the money/multiboxer tears. Every "counterpoint" in this thread was already shot down by the OP.


I do not believe this is correct.

"1) EVE is MMO game, right? As such, it should promote interaction and cooperation between players instead of giving them opportunity to become more or less self-sufficient; MCS is not helping this, quite opposite."

This is not a valid assessement. I have seen many instance where one account is a Low/Nul sec and allows the player to interact and cooperate with a certain group of people. These players also have a Hi sec alt within an alliance and allows the player to interact and cooperate with a different group of people. In this case, multiple accounts actually allows a person to interact and cooperate with more groups of people than a lone account can do. So really, how does having 2 accounts, both active in seperate alliances, not lead to cooperation and increased interaction?

So how was this counterpoint shot down by the OP? Seems to me that multiple accounts allow pepole to interact with multiple groups, where as one account, in a system where the account is limited to one corp at a time, you have less interaction.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2010.06.08 17:50:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Hon Dao
Edited by: Hon Dao on 08/06/2010 16:21:36
Some people are needy and have to validate their existence through extensive interactions with other people. They have problems with their identity, and as a consequence have to develop a definite focus as to what their personality actually is, because that is core to the interaction with the other people that they need so much. Both what they are to themselves and others.

Meanwhile some of us are perfectly capable of standing on our own two feet, and adapting to circumstances by becoming more diverse in our abilities and outlooks, to the point we become self sufficient, even to the extent of being better able to consider all the different sides to any argument, thanks to having a kind of multiple personality that is frequently in conflict with itself.


You rely on other people, which makes you weaker as an individual, yet stronger as a group.

We rely on ourselves, which makes us stronger individuals, yet as a result we cannot so easily work as a group, and do not have the same focus as a group that you do.


And yes, "Everyone must be like me" is a typical attitude coming from those people who feel insecure about their own identity, and therefore have to associate with similar people as validation.



I like this, two thumbs up! Couldn't have said it better myself.

It is amazing how often you hear people argue that others are doing something wrong simply because they are not enjoying the same things they themselves do. I think the most heinous part is they truly believe that such an argument is valid.

I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy having alternate accounts because I can train to and experience a great diversity of existing and future game content.

This game is designed to provide interactive entertainment and I am paying for a service here so that I may have access to said entertainment. If I am enjoying myself, it is money well spent, end of story. That is all this game is at a fundamental level, a subscriber service to provide entertainment.

Now, if the OP wants to get into diminishing marginal utility and altruism we can start talking about the self serving interests in removing all alternate players from the game so the OP gains more entertainment value through satisfaction of personal needs, and then compare that gain with the loss of entertainment for every single person who had an alternate account banned, and see whether the utility of such an act were to add up, but then we would all be communists, and that is unsavory at best.

Very Happy

IMO bring in the meat shops, sacrifice the lambs so that others may yet live! Chop chop! Next time you have a cold, don't go to the doctor unless you wanna become a living scrapyard of viable body parts for the sick and dying! Kill one, save ten! YARR!

Rid'dick
Argus Expeditioners
Posted - 2010.06.08 18:00:00 - [56]
 

Clearly the OP's intention was to create a useless argument on something that everybody will have a different opinion on, notice the lack of a counter argument from the OP. Typically these kind of arguments are brought on by women......!!!

Epicbeardman
Posted - 2010.06.08 18:09:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Can't be done.


A mediocre player with 2 characters will generally defeat a good player with 1 character. The downside of ignoring twitch gameplay, EVE is about quantity over quality.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.06.08 18:22:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 08/06/2010 18:24:29
The only problem with them now trying to get rid of it would be that originally they encouraged it.

I ran two accounts for awhile and only because CCP basically made it cheaper to do so. Now Im back down to one account.

A few years back CCP ran a sale called the Power Of Two, where you could open a second account at a discount monthly rate for the first 6 months. Had they not done so, theres a good chance many people would have never bothered with the second account.

In any sense it's pretty clear from that alone that they have absolutely no intention of setting limits on it.

I personally have nothing against it, but in my case the only reason I had the second account was to train a freighter pilot for use when I still lived in ASCN space. And as such I no longer have a use for it. ;)

And on a related note,

I'm not sure as to why the multiple account issue is causing the OP such distress in the first place.

kurg
Posted - 2010.06.08 18:40:00 - [59]
 

OP is the perfect example and poster child of why people solo play MMO's!!

I bet OP whines about everything they don't have, but wish they did! Intelligence is a gift which most folks lack!

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.08 19:01:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Dani WH
Originally by: Ana Vyr
I agree with the OP.

I refuse to buy a second account despite the self-nerfing it causes, just on principle.

To me, you should be able to be as effective as anyone else in the game with only a single personal account. My industry corp mates laugh their asses off at me for this stance as they merrily run two Hulks and a Orca per player.

45 bucks a month to play a MMO seems way over the top to me. Shrug.


you can pay by PLEX


Just like minerals that you mine yourself are free right?

Time is far more valuable to me than money. I prefer to actually play the game instead of working a second job inside the game to be able to log in.


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