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Gordon Fell
Posted - 2010.06.17 12:42:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Ocih
Missions are solo content. Nobody wants to group up and split fleet PvP and PvE for a 200K mission in low sec. Thats the experience people collect in EvE. Not, dont go to low sec. Dont go there to do missions. Of course they now have no reason to go to low sec. They logged in to do missions. Not play dodge ball with low sec pirates.


Your point's gone missing somewhere. Please revise.

Uncle Fester
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.06.17 12:44:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Uncle Fester on 17/06/2010 12:44:47
Thanks catari for the link to the forum thread

here is the youtube link to the ccp challenge video. enjoy.(dont forget to watch part 2 also)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3riWfJ7CC-I

can someone fix the link, after 7 yrs im still a forum noob :)

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.06.17 12:46:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Gordon Fell
Originally by: Ocih
Missions are solo content. Nobody wants to group up and split fleet PvP and PvE for a 200K mission in low sec. Thats the experience people collect in EvE. Not, dont go to low sec. Dont go there to do missions. Of course they now have no reason to go to low sec. They logged in to do missions. Not play dodge ball with low sec pirates.


Your point's gone missing somewhere. Please revise.


Don't need a point for PVE.

or...

PVE is pointless.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2010.06.17 14:04:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 17/06/2010 14:04:20
Originally by: Bellum Eternus

Again, a totally broken and dysfunctional view of the situation.


No its not.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.17 14:42:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Ana Vyr on 17/06/2010 14:42:53
"Miss the fun parts of the game" is so subjective, that it's a stupid assertation to make.

What if you actually like trading and industry more than 0.0 politics and PvP?

This entire argument that if you aren't PvPing (ship combat I'm talking about here)in EvE, you aren't playing the game right is bogus.

Ori Blake
Posted - 2010.06.17 14:44:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 17/06/2010 11:30:41
Originally by: dexington
I tryed pvping in a rifter, and it sucks... No one else is flying the small ships, at best you can get to fight a cruiser, but most likely you will be kill be some battleships gate camping.


Loads of frigates get used in Factional Warfare.

Oh and last pimpage for Agony courses - from the link I posted earlier :

"To the newer player, that battleship can look like an aardvark might to an ant. However, you should be aware that even the newest player in the game can take down that ship if they have the help of a few good friends and the tenacity to try. What is more, they can do it without sustaining a single casualty. In the past Agony has shown this by taking out battleships with as little as 10 tech 1 frigates."

Its really just about knowledge. Not in-game skills, although some are required, but your own knowledge. I agree its not the easiest knowledge for a new player to acquire but there are ways.

There are of course people who simply don't want to PvP, even though they claim they do. Not much you can do about these people really - you can try to help but a lot of people are just never going to do it regardless of how much help they get.

Personally I don't understand why people who don't like PvP play Eve. The only thing that keeps me coming back is the PvP - whether pewpew or market warfare (aka trading).


Look at it from the other side: a T1 frigate is so weak that you need 10 of them just to take on a single BS. That's not a few good friends.

And I do FW, you don't see T1 frigs much, you see T2 assaults, inty, cruisers and BS up. You see them in groups, too.

Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Posted - 2010.06.17 16:16:00 - [157]
 

Here's a thought: stop writing threads talking about PvP and just do it.

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.20 12:03:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 17/06/2010 11:30:41
Originally by: dexington
I tryed pvping in a rifter, and it sucks... No one else is flying the small ships, at best you can get to fight a cruiser, but most likely you will be kill be some battleships gate camping.


Loads of frigates get used in Factional Warfare.

Oh and last pimpage for Agony courses - from the link I posted earlier :

"To the newer player, that battleship can look like an aardvark might to an ant. However, you should be aware that even the newest player in the game can take down that ship if they have the help of a few good friends and the tenacity to try. What is more, they can do it without sustaining a single casualty. In the past Agony has shown this by taking out battleships with as little as 10 tech 1 frigates."

Its really just about knowledge. Not in-game skills, although some are required, but your own knowledge. I agree its not the easiest knowledge for a new player to acquire but there are ways.

There are of course people who simply don't want to PvP, even though they claim they do. Not much you can do about these people really - you can try to help but a lot of people are just never going to do it regardless of how much help they get.

Personally I don't understand why people who don't like PvP play Eve. The only thing that keeps me coming back is the PvP - whether pewpew or market warfare (aka trading).




The bold part obviously ignored the previous poster who said that as a newbie you must blob to beat an older player.


Miners, are not needed at all, traders are of some but not great value, after all, miners would have no mineral sink without PVP. Even missioners who get blown up a lot still lower the threshold by looting items. They loot, reproc, or sell, and thus they lower the necessity of minerals in the market. anything that can be done by the miner is done just as effectively by missioners, except missioners make bounties and agent reward ISK in addition to looting modules.

so conversely, while miners are not needed, miners need pvpers. because they are the only ones to take large risks losing expensive ships and mods and needing to limp back and buy from people who harvest minerals. The middle man might be a blueprint user, but a miner could also be a blueprint user and thus eliminate a third party being required for the transation. Add on the alt factor, and people who mine are really really low value, compared to people who PVP and Mine with their alt, and BPO with their mining alt as well. But take PVP out of the game, and there's nothing the miners can sell.

Aphoticus
Posted - 2010.06.20 13:29:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Aphoticus on 20/06/2010 13:30:56
I thought I would share my story to add insight into the noob mentality.

Although, first, a little backstory: I am of the generation that thought Text-Based MMO's were the rave. My first graphical MMO was Eve (think about that and I am 41 years old now).

Personality wise, I am the slow and steady kind of person. In no rush. Text-based mmo's, which I spent more than a decade playing, taught me how to be patient and to read.

That said, and having started Eve in 2008, let me share my experience.

1st Month: Didn't leave station, save tutorials, for the first two week. Read forums, and right-clicked everything. What to train for, ****, who knew. So, I did the jack-of-all-trades route in the form of what do I feel like doing now.

To make a long story short, I learned to build ships in order to sell them from the loot I refined from missions. Sold the salvage and got into R&D agent farming. All the skills that would be required to do all of that to respectable levels.

After a while of readings the forums and seeing the FW additions, I decided to join FW and stayed doing that with a lot of death until I found my calling.

That was 7 months or so ago, and being involved in all things clandestined has been rewarding.

The point is that it's a sand box and each will learn in their own way, and I still feel like a noob in some things. Experiment, time is not going anywhere.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.06.20 15:00:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Uncle Fester
Edited by: Uncle Fester on 17/06/2010 11:23:32
There is a video somewhere on youtube that shows 2 vets who made trial accounts and then went on to film themselves heading into providance to hunt. Something like 2-3 hrs training for propulsion and what not, but that was it 2 hrs training a couple of rifters and off they went.

Granted they were vets who knew how to fit the ships and use them properly, but still it shows pvp is available on day 1.

If anyone knows this vid plz link it here for the unbelievers.

pvp is very personal, some like to fight titans with dreads, others like to do solo work in cruisers or even frigates,(how many drams are out there atm?), obviously fighting titans in dreads takes a very long time to train, but fighting fw in a frigate takes hrs, some players consider trading to even be pvp,player vs player just means one guy getting one over on the next guy, how ever you do it is upto you, your means and desires. But there really is nothing stopping you going out on day one and ruining someone elses day.Twisted Evil


I love how everyone shows that video. Does anyone not realize what type of fail ships they're fighting?

Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2010.06.20 16:41:00 - [161]
 

3 beers is perfect after work


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