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T0KER
Posted - 2010.07.17 00:07:00 - [2371]
 

Supported

Earthican
Minmatar
DARKFELL EXCURSIONS
Reverberation Project
Posted - 2010.07.17 01:01:00 - [2372]
 

as reported by CCP Zulu | 2010.07.16 17:35:24

"CSM you say?"

"Like many of you, I have read the meeting minutes from the CSM 5 meetings in Reykjavik last month. To be completely up-front about it, I have to say Im quite taken aback by the difference in the meeting minutes compared to my firsthand experience from attending the meetings."

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777


CSM meeting minutes

"Speaking on behalf of CCP, Nathan disagreed strongly with the claim that CCP isnt committed to excellence."

plus:

"It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."

equals:

"CSM remained unconvinced of CCPs commitment to excellence"

http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_23-25_06_2010.pdf


Mr. Zulu What part of less crap more quality did you not understand from that meeting?

wizzard66
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.17 01:30:00 - [2373]
 

Edited by: wizzard66 on 17/07/2010 01:32:40
The reponse on the CSM meeting by CCP Zulu is imho very unprofessional.

Count the numbers of developers on new toys and minigames and cmpare that the number of devs 'working hard on bugs you are not even aware of'.

Read the CSM reports. CCP is not taking its customers serious at all. Most ideas are being neglected, some are put on looooong holds, many are sais as maybe (yeah sure) and the vialble ideas resulted in either a devlog or a promise it will be looked into. Only intrested in attracking new players. Way to go CCP.

A professional corporation would put up a list of know issues by players and work trough it, striking though all progress it is making.
Adding timeschedules to each issue.


JuanCamaney
Gallente
Xatruch Tech

Posted - 2010.07.17 02:54:00 - [2374]
 

+1

Ezurion
Posted - 2010.07.17 09:03:00 - [2375]
 

Supported.

Freylock
Posted - 2010.07.17 10:56:00 - [2376]
 


Rolly Polly
20th Legion
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2010.07.17 18:44:00 - [2377]
 

Edited by: Rolly Polly on 17/07/2010 18:43:47
Not a bad turnout I fell we can do better though.

Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
Posted - 2010.07.17 20:51:00 - [2378]
 

Quote:
reported by CCP Zulu | 2010.07.16 17:35:24 | NEW | Comments
CSM you say?

Like many of you, I have read the meeting minutes from the CSM 5 meetings in Reykjavik last month. To be completely up-front about it, I have to say Im quite taken aback by the difference in the meeting minutes compared to my firsthand experience from attending the meetings.

For my part, I felt the discussions were very constructive and I had great dialogue with the council members.

Maybe Im completely delusional and it didnt go that way at all, but theres definitely something broken in the feedback loop we have with the CSM and I will be working closely with them to enhance our collaboration. When two parties have such vastly different perceptions of the same event, something is wrong and needs to be fixed.

Iceberg you say? Shocked

New features attract new players and preserve EVE's longevity? Not necessary. Holding back some features in order to preserve longevity are a pretty wise business plan. Look at Blizzard, they are an excellent example. Blizzard wait until everyone is clamouring for more content, then they give it before too many people get fed up. Blizzard generally want their products to be popular for a long period of time, not like CCP where new features is only popular immediately after they release a new expansion. CCP use new expansions/features as carot, Blizzard use excellence as carot.

EVE is already a very complex game even for veterans that have played for years. Adding another level of complexity to EVE with PI and Incarna are not a wise buisness plan because it's premature. As example, FW and lowsec was supposed to be a stepping stone to PVP and 0.0 sec that have the potential to vastly increase the player experience for pvp wannabes and lowsec/0.0 sec. residents. It's shocking and dis-encouraging that CCP dont see just a 'slight' problem in prioritizing new feautures over polishing FW/low sec and others half baked features..

Delusional you say?

Yes please get a grip on reality!
Excellence dictate that quality outweighs quantity. Blizzard understand this concept. Sorry to say, but in this ballgame CCP are just wannabes who pretend to be something they are not. I love the sci fi concept in EVE, but damn CCP suck at prioritizing. It's the loyal EVE players that can take alot of credit for preserving EVE's longevity. In 2003 when EVE went live, many people in the gaming industry thought EVE would never succeed. They were wrong, not because of 'EVE Excellence' but because a loyal core of EVE players kept the community alive, CCP tend to forget that. Look at EVE-Uni and many other old corps and veterans that help new players get trained and interated with the EVE community. Look at the tons of third party programs and resources created to support EVE.

Waiting another 18 months+ to polish old EVE features is non-acceptable and show lack of goodwill against the loyal player base that have invested alot of time into EVE. On a personal level, im willing to use my financial might with 100B+ isk that can support CSM in their campaign against new features and to fix old. In short, im fed up. I love EVE but see big icebergs ahead and something must be done by CSM and the player base to hopefully change this horrible prioritizing of dev teams that vastly favor new features the next 18+ months.

EVE is a sandbox game? Well then give us some 'excellence tools' and stop producing some half baked chinese crap ugh

Carl Marsarlis
Gallente
Valerian Steel Inc.

Posted - 2010.07.17 22:03:00 - [2379]
 


Surrah
Supra Tenetur
Posted - 2010.07.17 22:36:00 - [2380]
 

Approved, Supported.

Qel'Droma
Posted - 2010.07.18 03:27:00 - [2381]
 

Supported

Dagrin RDM
Caldari
The Leather Knights
Sev3rance
Posted - 2010.07.18 06:02:00 - [2382]
 

Supported if I missed supporting this one before.

Xbox360clock
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.07.18 06:45:00 - [2383]
 

Edited by: Xbox360clock on 18/07/2010 06:45:20
Supported, Fix it in this order

1. Lag

2. UPDATE THE SOUNDS MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE 2004

3. Bring back the old cyno effects =D

Tobais Kai
Posted - 2010.07.18 07:14:00 - [2384]
 

A lot of people want things fixed, but no one is explaining how these things are broken.

One common example I'm seeing is claims of PI being broken because new players can use it. How is this a bad thing? The market used to seed items automatically. In order to meet demand, players now have the option to produce those very same products.

What about the production UI? It's not perfect; there are certainly small changes that I could see working. For example, instead of creating multiple filters for corp, alliance and public, they could be configured with different colours, or giving individual players outside of alliances the ability to rent slots, but those might not fit into the grand scheme CCP has set up. Other than that I'd say it's close to perfect as it could be.

What bugs are there with factional warfare? Once again, I woulden't call it perfect based on the rewards, and perhaps from a story perspective it's not perfect because more players prefer active armor hardeners to faction webs and passive armor hardeners, but the system works.

I agree that many of the bones we've been tossed have felt lacking, but I don't think they've necessarily been hollow shells. Planetary Interaction gets criticized for the "That's it?" style of game play it has, but that's not a fault of PI, but more the expectations of the players. On the other hand, Incarna has been identified as an eyecandy feature which might earn an expansion of players from the likes of Microsoft V-Chat, Moove or IMVU, while evading the issues brought forward by a core group of eve players, among them being lag, or the issues created with the introduction of the new sov warfare system. But CCP can only work at the pace that their research data allows - keep connecting to those Sisi test fleets you miserable jackasses!

As an aside, I wonder how many 0.0 players, commonly viewed as a minority of players, actually run Empire alts. I'd put the number at a third to a half. Based on the CSM's results where virtual no-names representing nullsec alliances are instantly propelled into the CSM superstardom, I'm not sure I'm far off.

One area I'd like to see figured out is COSMOS agent rewards, and perhaps a re-balancing of faction reward distribution. Yes, I know the Gallente didn't "invent" microwarpdrives, but Japan didn't invent automobiles, either.

Koshedei
Posted - 2010.07.18 12:56:00 - [2385]
 

Signed

Uphnir
Posted - 2010.07.18 14:35:00 - [2386]
 


Liare
Caldari
Little Garden

Posted - 2010.07.18 16:29:00 - [2387]
 


ovenproofjet
Caldari
Therapy.
Posted - 2010.07.18 18:19:00 - [2388]
 


Gataga
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.18 18:21:00 - [2389]
 

Finish Everything Before you Add more

Murderers Apprentice
Gallente
Trixi IFI

Posted - 2010.07.18 18:23:00 - [2390]
 

Edited by: Murderers Apprentice on 18/07/2010 18:23:20
old cyno plz!

Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2010.07.18 18:37:00 - [2391]
 

This is a timely and well thought out post.

Xiang Jiao
Posted - 2010.07.18 18:43:00 - [2392]
 

Polish your turd before you try to squeeze out three more (Incarna, Dust514, WoD), and don't forget to wipe your ass.

Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2010.07.18 18:53:00 - [2393]
 

Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin
This is a timely and well thought out post.

LITTLE THUMB PICTURE

Shimokurasaka
Therapy.
The Fourth District
Posted - 2010.07.18 20:42:00 - [2394]
 

Supported 100%

ChaoticDemon
Posted - 2010.07.18 21:44:00 - [2395]
 

I would really like to see a expansion that fixes/improves things already in game I approve this thread

Saean
Posted - 2010.07.18 21:53:00 - [2396]
 

Fix stuff and stop adding more broken stuff Please show invention some love.

Shiakai
Posted - 2010.07.18 21:58:00 - [2397]
 

It's time for action CCP.

Shiakai
Posted - 2010.07.18 21:59:00 - [2398]
 

Originally by: Shiakai
It's time for action CCP.


This time with thumb.

Iron Eagle
Mortis Angelus
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.18 22:25:00 - [2399]
 

This is pathetic, CCP spends most their time on 2 things that the played of their only "real income" don't want. Tbh they need to put 50% of the devs working on bugs/lag/and ******ed things like that....not making Incarna aka "WOW Online"..

DrGreenthumb UnceUnce
Posted - 2010.07.18 22:27:00 - [2400]
 

Supported 100%

Originally by: Iron Eagle
This is pathetic, CCP spends most their time on 2 things that the played of their only "real income" don't want. Tbh they need to put 50% of the devs working on bugs/lag/and ******ed things like that....not making Incarna aka "WOW Online"..
I agree it is ******ed


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