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Illiani Dourana
Posted - 2010.07.14 19:24:00 - [2311]

I would too would like to see what has been suggested, by posts 1 & 2, implimented.

Rhaegor Stormborn
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.14 19:24:00 - [2312]

(I didn't make this, but had to post it here)

"Death of a Sales Rep", a tragedy in 4 acts:

Act 1:
Guy: "Hello, I'm leasing a car from your company"
Company: "Yes, sir, well done, what can I do for you?"
G: "Well, one of you employees has just stolen my hubcaps!"
C: "We're very sorry this has happened, we'll do something about this immediately!"
G: "So you'll fire your employee and give me new hubcaps?"
C: "We could do that, but instead we've decided to hire a new Sales Rep. From now on he will attend to your needs directly!"
G: "Ehh, what? How's that going to give me new hubcaps? Anyway, there are some other problems with my car I want to talk to with one of your mechanics."
C: "I'm sorry, but that's no longer possible. Since you exposed our employee we have decided that customers can no longer talk to employees directly. You'll have to address your concerns to the Sales Rep."
G: "But I spoke to your mechanic just yesterday and he's aware of the problems with the car!"
C: "I'm sorry, but that's no longer a service we provide. You'll have to talk to the Sales Rep. In fact, I'm not allowed to talk to you any longer! Good bye and enjoy your lease car!"

Act 2:
Sales Rep: "Good day sir, how can I help you!"
G: "I have some problems with a car I leased from you!"
S: "Sorry to hear that sir, but you'll be glad to know we're currently building a new tractor! I'm sure you'll enjoy it!"
G: "Thank you, but I rather doubt it, I'd rather have you fix my lease car!"
S: "What seems to be the problem then?"
G: "Well, I'm missing the passenger's door, the left rear wheel, the steering is very sluggish, and I can only drive very slowly because I can't get the car into second gear!"
S: "I'm sorry to hear that sir. Did I tell you we're building a new tractor? I'm sure you'll enjoy driving that!"
G: "Not particularly interested in the tractor thank you. But I am wondering when you will fix my car though!"
S: "Not to worry sir, we have mechanics working round the clock to find fixes for you car! Lets have another act, I'm sure we'll have something for you then!"
G: "Mmkay, but I'll hope that act starts pretty soon though!"

Maekor Stormborn
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.14 19:25:00 - [2313]

Act 3:
G: "Hi, we're in a new act, do you have any fixes for my car?"
S: "What's wrong with it?"
G: "I told you last time! Hell, I even explained it to your mechanic before that!"
S: "Ofcourse you did sir, no need to worry, we're working on fixes round the clock!"
G: "Well, do you have any fixes for me now?"
S: "Did I tell you about this new tractor we're building?"
G: "Yes, you did, and I'm not interested in driving a tractor, I want my bloody car fixed!"
S: "Ofcourse you do sir, no worry though, we have exactly what you need. Here it is!"
G: "What the hell is that?"
S: "Well it's a huge pair of fluffy dice you can hang from your rear-view mirror! Don't they look cute?"
G: "Fluffy dice! I'm missing the left rear wheel on my car and can't get it into second gear! And you give me fluffy dice?"
S: "No need to get upset sir, we're working as hard as we can. Lots of things are being done. We're really doing a lot of things here!"
G: "Sure, but what do I need these fluffy dice for?"
S: "Lets just try them on for size, I promise you we'll get round to the rest of your problems in due time and in the mean time you'll have these fluffy dice. No need to worry now!"
G: "Well, that's just brilliant! Your fluffy dice ripped my rear-view mirror right out of its socket! Oh, great, they landed in the exposed gear-box as well. Now I can't get the damn car out of reverse!"
S: "Just a minor inconvenience sir! We'll soon fix that. In fact, our mechanics are already working on it now. Honestly, they are!"
G: "What the hell do you suppose I do now? Drive the car to work backwards?"
S: "What an excellent suggestion sir! Very perceptive. I'll pass it on as a solution to our mechanics right away! I'm sure if you come back in the next act, we'll have fixed the other problems to your car as well!"

Act 4:
G: "Yo, Sales Rep, what's happening with the fixes to my bloody car?"
S: "Good day sir, what seems to be the problem with your car!"
G: "Are you blind? Just look at it. It's a bloody scrapheap! And I arrived here driving backwards!"
S: "Yes, I noticed that, but let me assure you our mechanics are working very hard to fix your gear-box!"
G: "How about the missing wheel? And the steering? And the damned passenger door?"
S: "I can assure you those are being worked on as well! I can assure you of that!"
G: "Listen I've had quite enough of this. I'm not going to leave until you fix my bloody car!"
S: "Well, we've been working very hard on this huge spoiler here. We can cello-tape that to the back of your car?"
G: "Spoiler? I didn't want a spoiler! I want my bloody car fixed! And what do you mean cello-tape it to the back of my car?"
S: "Well, we've been pouring a lot of mechanic time into building that spoiler, but we haven't gotten round to properly fixing it to something yet. But cello-tape should work for a while. Until we get round to fixing that ofcourse."
G: "I don't want your broken spoiler I want you to fix my damn car!"
S: "Well, that's going to be a bit difficult sir."
G: "Why?"
S: "Well remember that tractor we're building?"
G: "Yes?"
S: "Are you sure you don't want to drive that instead?"
G: "NO!"
S: "Well, then I'm sorry to say that if you don't want us to cello-tape that new spoiler to your car, we can't really help you for a while."
G: "WHAT?"
S: "You see, we've already allocated all our mechanic time to building the tractor, so we don't have time to fix your car until that's done!"
G: "What? Is this some terrible joke?"
S: "No sir. You see, we've taken the money you gave us leasing our car and invested it into building a tractor!"
G: "WHAT?"
S: "Yes, terribly sorry sir, but we'll be busy building the tractor for the next 18 to 24 months. We may be able to squeeze in a couple of novelty license-plates, if we're lucky, but rest assured, after all that, we'll probably will be able to start fixing your car."
G: "You've gotta be takin' the ****!"
S: "No si

Posted - 2010.07.14 19:40:00 - [2314]

Edited by: Sephris on 14/07/2010 19:40:04

and supported tenfold.

Posted - 2010.07.14 20:16:00 - [2315]

Edited by: Zepherith on 14/07/2010 20:16:45
+1 support.

Spyke BlackIce
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:43:00 - [2316]

Empahtically supported. Those minutes were eye-opening to say the least.

Janya Rykayn
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:50:00 - [2317]

You know, there's a lot I could say here.

I've been playing since 2003, on and off. In that time, other than major stability and graphical improvements, there has been very little added to Eve.

Planetary interaction is awesome and everything, and lays a framework for vast changes coming with Dust 514 and whatever else.

But they keep promising things and never releasing them. Walking in Stations is a great example. Another is the atmospheric flight trumpeted for a while there.

Overall it starts to look like "pig in a poke" marketing, getting people to buy sight unseen, based on potential which never quite materializes.

I agree that they need to fix the broken subsystems before they fart around with other stuff. Interestingly, most of these are in the endgame, where people won't be affected by them for quite some time.

But all in all they need to fix the subsystems that are broken, and add lots more working, polished subsystems.

FWIW, Wormhole Space added a huge amount to the game and I would unquestionably have stopped playing it by now otherwise.

All in all, Eve is great, and I don't really know if any of this is As Bad As All That (TM).

But a lot of these complaints are about real gamebreaking bugs that affect a lot of the old-timers. Maybe CCP is actually trying to drive some of them off?

Xi Dra'Gaan
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:50:00 - [2318]

Excellence my arse. I've seen used car salesmen with more excellence and insurance companies more commited to their customers than this. Rolling Eyes


Janya Rykayn
Posted - 2010.07.14 20:59:00 - [2319]

I've seen used car salesmen with more excellence and insurance companies more commited to their customers than this.

Is it really THAT terrible?

For my money it's the best thing out there, by far. But it does kind of get silly when they're releasing all kinds of crazy new stuff (PI) without fixing what would seem to be some fairly simple and straightforward bugs.

I wonder what the code is like. Maybe the server code is such a terrible rat's nest that they're having trouble with it...

It almost seems as if they're trying to maintain the existing userbase with some incremental improvements while focusing a lot of the development effort on something else.

It would be really interesting to know how much actual development effort is going into Eve. Weren't they talking about releasing a Vampire game a while back, during the White Wolf acquisition? Could it be that all the development effort has gone into that and that Eve has just been left in a holding pattern?

Quantum Cats Syndicate

Posted - 2010.07.14 21:28:00 - [2320]

This isn't the CCP I knew when I started playing this game.

Posted - 2010.07.14 21:36:00 - [2321]


Mizz Wolf
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.07.14 22:04:00 - [2322]


+1 for this thread.

While I am really looking forward to Incarna, I'd like just as much (if not more) to see some of this broken stuff fixed.

Posted - 2010.07.14 23:39:00 - [2323]

It's not the mechanics of the issue that irk me (Rocket fixes etc) so much as the attitude expressed towards the playerbase by CCP reps.

Anyway, +1.

Hlem Deep
Posted - 2010.07.14 23:54:00 - [2324]


Darin Raltin
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
Posted - 2010.07.15 00:36:00 - [2325]

+1 I had held off on this thread until the CSM minutes came out. I doubt lots of people are going to run for exits in protest, but they are setting up eve for failure the second a worthy competitor shows up.

Posted - 2010.07.15 00:39:00 - [2326]

Let's open their eyes. More posts!

The Higher Standard
Posted - 2010.07.15 01:06:00 - [2327]


Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.15 01:08:00 - [2328]

Originally by: Aerilis
This isn't the CCP I knew when I started playing this game.

Posted - 2010.07.15 01:27:00 - [2329]

Originally by: Darin Raltin
... I doubt lots of people are going to run for exits in protest, but they are setting up eve for failure the second a worthy competitor shows up.

Like SW TOR spring 2011 - I know from the WoW forums that there'll be many players leaving WoW for the Bioware Game - might be here in EVE as-well if CCP don't react.

Hauling hogs

Posted - 2010.07.15 01:42:00 - [2330]

Supporting the thread. Hope CCP fixes things.

Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.07.15 02:12:00 - [2331]

Holy mother of God, yes.

Posted - 2010.07.15 04:25:00 - [2332]

Hello Guys,

well, i just read the forums a bit, especialy this post. 1 corpmate was taliking about in corp channel.

Well... I know this game lack on 1 or 2 points, As every game got his weak points. Considering the ressource they got comparing an other game with 6 to 10 million player!!!!, they still do better. CCP, year after year have 1 big new features while improving his graphics contents! Name me an other game doing the same!!!. Just look at the basic content, you gather, you fight, you build, you transport the whole game and gameplay is owned by the player!. no Game Have this feature As far as this one.
Does i have to remember that everytime you ask something, it sacrifice somewhere else. Its life. Investing in a car, may cut off your new pc dream for a while:P

Every mmorpg got his cap point, when there s no much thing to experience the new feature are made for those player to keep them. Theres only a way to keep customer and it s make them enjoy what they use. there s bug, There s weak Point but at the end this game is simply wonderful.

Always remember there s always 2 side to a medal
And to survive this game is in a perpetual rush of improvement. And it s for us at the first place:P

SRS Industries
Posted - 2010.07.15 05:04:00 - [2333]

CCP has major releases every 6 months (Apocrypha for example was amazing). This is excellent. Some deprecated features (like COSMOS) that sit in the dark of the universe are good as well. This means that there will always be some hidden, forgotten features that you can learn about. As a new player to Eve-Online, this is one of the amazing things about the game.

But, I would like CCP to devote more resources to fixing up old features. Every old feature doesn't need to be squeaky clean, but important features (such as Factional Warfare and the corp management interface) need a complete, version 2.0 revamp. In my mind, if CCP doesn't do this, they will never acieve excellence.

They will be a niche, unique company, but never excellent unless they devote significantly more resources to expansing and polishing older features. The game as a whole should always be roughly on the same level of quality. My friend who tried eve for example, ended up quitting because missions sucked horrible. I told him Epic Arcs were cool, and Wormhole NPCs were worthy opponents, but the 5 year old missions he was running turned him off of the game.

Posted - 2010.07.15 07:16:00 - [2334]


Posted - 2010.07.15 07:59:00 - [2335]


Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:17:00 - [2336]

Originally by: Marlenus
It's amazing CCP can even say the word "Excellence" with a straight face.

Maybe it merely sounds like "Excellence", and what was really said was "Excrement", with an Icelandic accent.

Pj Harvey
Ship spinners inc

Posted - 2010.07.15 12:44:00 - [2337]

CCP never read anything in here but supported anyway

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.15 12:53:00 - [2338]


CCP, please fix the various broken bits of EVE before adding any more features.

Posted - 2010.07.15 13:04:00 - [2339]

Edited by: shannonaut on 15/07/2010 13:23:03
2010.06.23 02:21:00 None
I was flying a heavy interdictor in combat and wanted to activate my interdiction generator for 1 cycle, so I clicked it once (on) and clicked it again (off) but there is a split second delay as I'm sure you know when you click a module before it goes "green". It seems my 2nd click was poorly timed, and I apparently clicked it at the exact time the module went green, and then it wouldn't turn off. There was no mouseover text on the module any more, and no way to interact with it besides the overheat button (which still functions, but the module continues to run until/unless it burns out). Of course, being an interdiction generator, this meant I could not warp or even move at speed with a MWD on or anything else. An easy way to replicate this bug would be to click repeatedly on the module very quickly until it turns on, and stays "red" but continues to run cycles. The only way to turn off the module are using external means to force modules to shut down - i.e. being neuted, cloaking, jumping/docking, or logging out. None of these are practical in most combat situations. I have seen this reproduced on multiple machines with multiple client versions over the years, and since this can be a *VERY* big problem for a HIC in combat, it is very important to me that it gets fixed.


2010.06.28 12:07:00 GM Renril

I apologize for the late reply. Could you please file a bug report about this. You will find the bug report form under the EVE Insider section on the web site. A detailed bug report will help the Bug Hunters/QA look into this issue as quickly as possible.

Instructions on how to file a good bug report can be found here viewable out of game.

Best regards,
GM Renril
The EVE Online Customer Support Team



you know it's bad when you're filing petitions to get the devs to fix the bugs you reported a year ago - no i don't make this a habit, but i felt i had to try *something* before i gave it up

/me already canceled account

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service

Posted - 2010.07.15 13:28:00 - [2340]


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