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Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:27:00 - [1]
 

It appears that planets in the Pator system (Minmatar home system) are incorrect. Pator IV (Matar) is the homeworld, but has surface gravity of 3.7 m/s^2 (about 0.38g) and a nearly completely oceanic surface. Meanwhile, Pator III (Huggar) has a surface gravity of 9.6 m/s^2 and an appropriately varied surface.

Clearly, the data and texture assigned to Matar do not fit with the storyline description of this planet as the Minmatar homeworld, while Huggar has the appropriate data and texture.

I've reported this as bug #95849.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.05.27 03:39:00 - [2]
 

intaki vi is now oceanic...

it being the homeworld of the intaki people... i assume this is a bug, as well?

or did they all massively move to planet 5?

Wtb information on this.

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.05.27 04:06:00 - [3]
 

I believe Intaki V is the homeworld, isn't it?

CCP Ginger

Posted - 2010.05.27 10:09:00 - [4]
 

Please bug report these and I will promote them to get fixed as much as I can.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.05.27 13:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Casiella Truza
I believe Intaki V is the homeworld, isn't it?


Yup.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.05.27 17:36:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 27/05/2010 17:50:48
Mannar does not have any temperate worlds. Will bug report it til I find out what to put it under

@Casi - Never considered the planetary info to be of any use, but you're right about the textures

Also, some of the home systems have been plugged full of temperate planets. Luminaire has 4, New Caldari 3, Lirsautton like 5 or something...not sure if that's really realistic? Or makes sense them being settled systems firss before EVE gate shut.

Gallente Prime also has little landmass, not as bad as Matar though. That intended? If it is, interesting implication for PF anyway

Carlani Hudson
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.27 17:42:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: CCP Ginger
Please bug report these and I will promote them to get fixed as much as I can.


Where can we petition to have the Intaki system/homeworld declared a sanctuary like Jita or Oursulaert, please ? Very Happy

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Carlani Hudson
Originally by: CCP Ginger
Please bug report these and I will promote them to get fixed as much as I can.


Where can we petition to have the Intaki system/homeworld declared a sanctuary like Jita or Oursulaert, please ? Very Happy

all capitals should be off limits
amarr
luminaire
intaki
saiso
pator

etc

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.05.27 20:53:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 27/05/2010 20:53:41
Originally by: Carlani Hudson
Originally by: CCP Ginger
Please bug report these and I will promote them to get fixed as much as I can.


Where can we petition to have the Intaki system/homeworld declared a sanctuary like Jita or Oursulaert, please ? Very Happy


Intaki V is on the "off limits" list already. Here's the list for reference.

Homeworlds and key systems:

Saisio III
Intaki V
Lirsautton III
Mishi IV
Arzad VIII
New Caldari IV
Luminaire VI, VII
Amarr III
Ardishapur Prime III
Kor-Azor Prime IV
Tash Murkon Prime III
Khanid Prime I
Pator IV
Villore IV
Palpis VI (Fedos have feelings too)
Yulai III
Taisy VIII (For obvious reasons)
Serpentis Prime VI (Owned / Bought by the Sarpati family)
Utopia III (Wink)

Additionally, every corporation in-game has a planet set aside as part of "future proofing" for DUST 514. That isn't to say they'll definitely play a role; only that we thought it prudent for each Corporation to have a "planetside presence" just in case.

If there's any inconsistencies or oddities you guys notice, please make them known and we'll see what can be done.




Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.05.27 21:00:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 27/05/2010 21:19:45
You missed out Mannar still. Oh, and isn't Lirsautton V a homeworld called "Chandeille" as well?

Also, Villore IV is all brown and polluted, if it's the Federation's capital world. And shouldn't Sarum Prime III be on that too?

Noticed some of the Amarr homeworlds are named, and the moons...cool stuff!

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.05.27 23:02:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
Utopia III (Wink)


Hmm dont get that one....

What about the long limb roe planet? its not fair fedo's get a safe world

Vieve Tisserand
Gallente
Omerta Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.27 23:57:00 - [12]
 

Ealur's only temperate planet (not looking at that system right now, but I know there's one there) doesn't get list love? Bet the Ealurians would be as ****ed as the Mannar might be right now, if they weren't already gorbled up by the Amarr. ;)

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Also, Villore IV is all brown and polluted, if it's the Federation's capital world.


Er, did Villore I get changed from being temperate, too? Crap. I need to go look at it (and what happened to Mies, if anything).

Could buy that Villore IV's a desert world. In fact, I should, 'cause it'd suit the fiction I've written quite nicely -- so which of you CCP guys do I need to bake cookies for?

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rainus Max
Quote:
Utopia III (Wink)


Hmm dont get that one....

What about the long limb roe planet? its not fair fedo's get a safe world

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Utopia_(System)

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:45:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Casiella Truza on 28/05/2010 00:49:02
Pator IV isn't actually off-limits, you know. Shocked But all of Rens (and Jita, I suppose) is.

Also, hrm. Hints as to Jovian/Angel connections? Very Happy

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.28 16:52:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear

If there's any inconsistencies or oddities you guys notice, please make them known and we'll see what can be done.



Syrikos V

Home of slaver hounds

Elaine Shandrate
Posted - 2010.05.29 20:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear

If there's any inconsistencies or oddities you guys notice, please make them known and we'll see what can be done.



According to this news item the bones were buried in a cathedral, assuming these are build on planets, which planet was it build on?

I do hope it was on one of the temperate planets V or VI, which both do not have any space station floating around... Neutral

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
not sure if that's really realistic? Or makes sense them being settled systems firss before EVE gate shut.

It does considering terraformation technology exist.

Hi-Sec systems should have a significant percentage of Temperate worlds compared to low-/null- sec. Presumably hi-sec systems have been inhabited for multiple generations and thus could have undergone significant terraformation.

This could transform a Barren or Ice world into a "Temperate" one in some amount of time. With Modern, 21st Century Earth tech the estimates for taking a relatively barren world like Mars to supporting large non-oxygen burning ecosystems is a matter of 100s of years.

In Eve, Caldari Prime wasn't always a Temperate world for example.

Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.30 12:44:00 - [18]
 

On the note of off-limits planets, should I be blocked from scanning the planets in that list posted? Because I can scan both Gallente Prime and Caldari Prime, whereas planets in Dodixie or Oursulaert don't let me go into Planet Mode at all.

Also is it intended that New Eden I will be available to be mined?

X1994
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.30 17:00:00 - [19]
 

New Eden I definitely shouldn't be mineable. Also, Tanoo I or II (don't know which of these is the Ammatar capital) is missing from that list.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.05.30 18:52:00 - [20]
 

I realize it's not going to be a high priority, but the planetary types for all those worlds mentioned in the Ishaeka Report 01 are now wrong because of the planet update.

Should those planets also be put off-limits?

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.05.30 18:59:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 30/05/2010 19:06:58
Other than Mannar and Intaki IV that need to be fixed, I might recommend Mercury review all the systems that were attacked and make sure the temperate planets are correct. Vylade no longer has a temperate planet for example, as does Ostingele...and Renyn too, which contradicts Chasing Shadows.

In addition, the Ishaeka worlds are messed up too.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.30 19:07:00 - [22]
 

Planet 3 in the Villore System is right now a "Storm World" It does not exactly match the description the Book "The Empyrean Age, Chapter 28". In the book the planet "Moroses" is described as barren but in the early stages of terraforming by the Federation. Surprised

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.05.30 22:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 30/05/2010 19:06:58
Other than Mannar and Intaki IV that need to be fixed, I might recommend Mercury review all the systems that were attacked and make sure the temperate planets are correct. Vylade no longer has a temperate planet for example, as does Ostingele...and Renyn too, which contradicts Chasing Shadows.

In addition, the Ishaeka worlds are messed up too.


While I agree that they need a review, the fact that human colonies exist on a planet doesn't necessarily imply they have to be "Temperate", per se. We have lots of SFnal examples, including in EVE fiction, of other types of worlds that play host to humanity.

"Life finds a way..."

Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.30 23:51:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Casiella Truza
While I agree that they need a review, the fact that human colonies exist on a planet doesn't necessarily imply they have to be "Temperate", per se. We have lots of SFnal examples, including in EVE fiction, of other types of worlds that play host to humanity.


Mannar is the homeworld of one the member-civilizations of the Federation, all across prime-fiction it was described that Gallente, Intaki and Mannar were the current members of the Federation by year YC105. They were also "found" during the Gallentean expansion according to timeline.

So their homeworld must be temperate.


Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2010.06.02 02:56:00 - [25]
 

In some cases like Mannar, sure. But I'm responding to the contention that all planets with population centers (such as Seri's mention of those attacked by the Sansha) must be temperate.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.06.30 15:11:00 - [26]
 

Unfortunately I have to retract everything I said earlier. There was some miscommunication between the the Content team and the guys in Iceland, and we weren't aware about the final decisions that were made on this matter. End result is that I gave you guys incorrect information about what planets will and won't be set off limits.

The final list of planets only factors in engineering concerns: meaning trade hubs are the only systems that have planets off-limits. Jita, Amarr, and so on, but not Luminaire, New Caldari or Pator.

Apologies for the mis-step guys, I thought we had final information but it turns out we didn't.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.30 16:45:00 - [27]
 

So this is finally the confirmation that the responsible guys do not care about the content of their game from a lore point of view?

I always expected as much, but it still disheartening to have the confirmation. ugh

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.30 16:55:00 - [28]
 

this sets a really bad precedent and tone for the universe. It says that the feature devs don't care about the storyline, and only care about the bottom line.

this makes me a sad panda.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.30 16:58:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 30/06/2010 16:58:24
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
So this is finally the confirmation that the responsible guys do not care about the content of their game from a lore point of view?

I always expected as much, but it still disheartening to have the confirmation. ugh

^^^^^

Originally by: Nikita Alterana
this sets a really bad precedent and tone for the universe. It says that the feature devs don't care about the storyline, and only care about the bottom line.

this makes me a sad panda.


That, too.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.06.30 16:59:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
So this is finally the confirmation that the responsible guys do not care about the content of their game from a lore point of view?

I always expected as much, but it still disheartening to have the confirmation. ugh


All I can do is humbly ask that you please don't see it that way. There's nobody in CCP who "doesn't care" about the storyline of EVE. Nobody. It's a mistake to think that just because A takes priority over B in a given situation, that it's because people don't care about B. Honestly, it couldn't be further from the truth and much back and forth and agonizing was done about how to try and accommodate all sides for PI. The fact that I got the information wrong is actually a by-product of just how much this was being discussed internally, and just how seriously we took it all. This is because all sides are valued and cared deeply about, including storyline and IP.

And hey, those same "responsible guys" you mention practically built the storyline of EVE in its early days! If you want confirmation of that, go check out some May '03 roleplay articles and onwards, and look at the names of authors. So many of those early live events that built the core of EVE's storyline were also driven by these same people. The guys at the helm have a passion and respect for our storyline, so please don't lose hope in that regard or read too much into the decisions taken over a single matter.



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