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mindblow
Rionnag Alba
Posted - 2010.05.27 06:57:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Xenofarion

I can't believe it - still desperately hoping for a secret "enable folder-view" button I just haven't found yet ugh



Saelyre
Posted - 2010.05.27 07:11:00 - [32]
 

A truly ridiculous change.

MushMush
Minmatar
Method of Destruction
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.05.27 07:15:00 - [33]
 

Who at CCP thought this was a good idea?

Xenofarion
Gallente
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.05.27 07:31:00 - [34]
 

The best part is that the personal standings override the corp standings in any case as it seems.

Set a corp to terrible/excellent, and only the corp will show up under the specific tab. You've got to set every single member to -/+10.0 for that - what do we have "derived standings" for? Can't we get at least an option to choose whether we want to use personal or derived standings?

I surely won't edit the personal standing of every contact I have after CCP accidentally all my folders ugh

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Tarkian Karbin
Caldari
THE DISC
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:22:00 - [35]
 

100% supported

ZaBob
Twilight Labs
Unsung Voices
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:29:00 - [36]
 

This is definitely a what-were-you-thinking move.

It is generally a very, very bad idea to discard user hand-entered information like this. You should not be surprised at the vehement reactions; you should have anticipated it.

I'm pretty much a n00b, but even *I* have put significant efforts into organizing contacts into folders. How do you think the people who have been doing it for years feel?

It is, in a word, extremely arrogant. You're telling everyone, "We know how to organize better than you do. You're going to do it our way".

And, you're wrong. Conflating organization with standings is Just Plain Silly.

And -- This isn't just a contacts organizer, it is a tactical monitoring tool. This has direct and immediate impact on gameplay.

Most of the *****ing and moaning I see is overblown -- a matter open to opinion. On this one issue, however, I think you completely failed at understanding users.

There were a lot of deficiencies in the old system. Having standings-based auto-folders would have been a great addition. But this removes EVERY feature of the old system, and gives us something completely unworkable. Even if you were trying to help new users, I think you failed. The new system is rather opaque as to its operation and behavior.


Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:36:00 - [37]
 

Supported!


Mencor
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:58:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Mencor on 27/05/2010 08:58:06
supported

Aylana Emberlust
Amarr
Mad Bombers
Posted - 2010.05.27 09:45:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Aylana Emberlust on 27/05/2010 09:45:36
how do you expect us to use such a feature if you just gonna get rid of our contacts and then burn our folders

i think we should det up a petition guys

BRING BACK OUR folders

I LIKE ORDER YOU GAVE ME CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Supported

Az'kari
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.27 10:12:00 - [40]
 

Supported 100%. Contact list without folder = unmanageable mess.

Omega Flames
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.05.27 10:27:00 - [41]
 


foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows

Posted - 2010.05.27 11:05:00 - [42]
 


Copsi
Gallente
Black Tower Syndicate
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.27 11:11:00 - [43]
 

Supported!

Without tags/labels/folders the current system is quite useless.

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.05.27 11:17:00 - [44]
 

This will be dealt with...

TheMean Machine
Intergalactic Serenity
Ev0ke
Posted - 2010.05.27 11:18:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: ZaBob
This is definitely a what-were-you-thinking move.

It is generally a very, very bad idea to discard user hand-entered information like this. You should not be surprised at the vehement reactions; you should have anticipated it.

I'm pretty much a n00b, but even *I* have put significant efforts into organizing contacts into folders. How do you think the people who have been doing it for years feel?

It is, in a word, extremely arrogant. You're telling everyone, "We know how to organize better than you do. You're going to do it our way".

And, you're wrong. Conflating organization with standings is Just Plain Silly.

And -- This isn't just a contacts organizer, it is a tactical monitoring tool. This has direct and immediate impact on gameplay.

Most of the *****ing and moaning I see is overblown -- a matter open to opinion. On this one issue, however, I think you completely failed at understanding users.

There were a lot of deficiencies in the old system. Having standings-based auto-folders would have been a great addition. But this removes EVERY feature of the old system, and gives us something completely unworkable. Even if you were trying to help new users, I think you failed. The new system is rather opaque as to its operation and behavior.




100% agree

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations

Posted - 2010.05.27 11:25:00 - [46]
 


Aylana Emberlust
Amarr
Mad Bombers
Posted - 2010.05.27 11:39:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Aylana Emberlust on 27/05/2010 11:40:19
Edited by: Aylana Emberlust on 27/05/2010 11:40:06
ok this is the petition put Quote these lines and you name under mine
i will send this on to someone of importance to CCP

I herby sign up for folders to be placed back in the in-game contact list in Eve online

names

Aylana emberlust

ULTImatio
Posted - 2010.05.27 13:07:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: ULTImatio on 27/05/2010 13:17:53

I guess that hurt, does it . NEXT TIME support my idea.

I took the job bugging CCP like a mad man for 2 months about this without receiving any support from you all.

You can find several of my posts in the Taranis boards.

NEW: People & Places / Contacts List - NEED'S FOLDERS
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1293555

Author: ULTImatio
Replies: 4
Reads: 109
Last Post: by: ULTImatio on: 2010.04.02 07:36:00

Posted - 2010.04.02 09:32:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287882&page=10#286

Posted - 2010.04.03 07:40:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287882&page=10#289

Posted - 2010.04.28 07:38:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287882&page=11#315

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CCP Response Posted - 2010.04.28 08:54:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287882&page=11#316

I've already answered that we plan to do contact folders/labels, but unfortunately that will be after the first release.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:32:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1287882&page=11#317

Posted - 2010.04.24 06:45:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306296&page=3#78

Posted - 2010.05.25 13:26:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1321665&page=5#124

Posted - 2010.05.26 09:32:00
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1321665&page=7#207

Trinity Roze
Gallente
First Flying Wing Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2010.05.27 13:35:00 - [49]
 

This new system confuses and infuriates me.

Ancy Denaries

Posted - 2010.05.27 13:44:00 - [50]
 

Not to mention that if you set a corp standing to blue/red, if you happen to have any of their corpmembers on your list, they are still neut. SUPPORTED!

Gereon Valk
Posted - 2010.05.27 14:04:00 - [51]
 

Quote:
I'm simply astonished someone thought that the removal of custom folders was a good idea.

What possible benefit does the removal of custom folders have?

Please explain how we are to track the activity and movements of a player with several characters in different alliances and/or corporations effectively without custom folders?

How are we to, at a glance, ascertain whether a particular group of players is active? Do you expect people to trawl through largely unsorted collections of hundreds of contacts?

This is going to hit Mercenaries and Wardec corporations HARD, adds nothing to the game, only subtracts and complicates what is a vital intelligence tool that was available to players.


+1

Nebula Dream
Posted - 2010.05.27 14:15:00 - [52]
 

Give us please back the functionality we had - FOLDERS.

Also give us back our folders (it is a result of work / time spent in EVE) as we had it before TYRANNIS.
FOLDERS allowed to sort within them alphabetically, which was good.
Also each folder was aside its name showing how many chars are in ... or all of them or online (depending on checkbox checked / unchecked).

If my FC asked me how much ppl has our opponent online, and who they are I could act and provide him with intel.

Now I can do "NOTHING", and only thing I can do is to say "I HAVE NO CLUE".

This is not an improvement, this is ... I believe everyone can make a conclusion for himself here.

Ynot Eyob
Minmatar
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
Posted - 2010.05.27 14:26:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Ynot Eyob on 27/05/2010 14:26:58
I do like the new system, but i dont like you cant group, nore that +10 CONTACS HAS BECOME -10!!!!!

I have about 120+ contacts, what a mess special when i cant even trust the standings. As an alliance CEO contacts are your best tool. I belive until a solution are found an external contact list are the only option as i see it.

Nalie McFly
Posted - 2010.05.27 14:35:00 - [54]
 

Gimme old characterlist or gimme dead

mkmin
Posted - 2010.05.27 14:36:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: RedSplat
Edited by: RedSplat on 26/05/2010 21:28:02
I'm simply astonished someone thought that the removal of custom folders was a good idea.

What possible benefit does the removal of custom folders have?

Please explain how we are to track the activity and movements of a player with several characters in different alliances and/or corporations effectively without custom folders?

How are we to, at a glance, ascertain whether a particular group of players is active? Do you expect people to trawl through largely unsorted collections of hundreds of contacts?

This is going to hit Mercenaries and Wardec corporations HARD, adds nothing to the game, only subtracts and complicates what is a vital intelligence tool that was available to players.

EDIT:

People are now telling me in NPC corp chat that they have just reset all standings, they find the new system so useless they are having to set only a single corp/alliance red at once.




The reasoning behind all this stuff is that CCP was too lazy to fix it before it went live. Too lazy and too greedy. Expansion days get lots of new subs, and CCP is totally willing to ship completely broken, unusable, half-assed crap as long as it means meeting their deadlines and getting more subs. So, instead of extrapolating the new labels system (that will probably vapor away like every other half-assed mechanic they put in the game) from the old folders system, they gave a big 'screw you' to everybody. Effort it would have taken to leave the old system in? None. Effort it would have taken to leave it in until the new labels were in place? None. Effort it would have taken have a popup to notify people to apply the new labels to the old folders? An afternoon's worth of programming, and they already put 1 afternoon into the building the expansion, it would be wrong of us to expect a second.

oni911b
Caldari
Suns Of Korhal

Posted - 2010.05.27 15:14:00 - [56]
 

Everything was already said above

Rodney Crittendon
Caldari
Quantum Cats Syndicate

Posted - 2010.05.27 15:24:00 - [57]
 

I support this.

Thanks, CCP!

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.27 15:30:00 - [58]
 

A lot of people contacted me in game and this is a serious problem, this needs to be reverted to give players back their folders the way they were.

The cap on contacts is also a huge issue, 300 simply isn't enough!

Blaun Bongs
Posted - 2010.05.27 15:33:00 - [59]
 

Supported 100%. Contact list without folder = unmanageable mess.

Tronk Drokar
Posted - 2010.05.27 15:34:00 - [60]
 

Supported!!!


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