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Louiss Kimplar
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:08:00 - [31]
 

I have always wondered how you are any safe not AFK then you are AFK in a freighter. Can freighters not be warp scrambeled or disrupted? If they can be prevented from warping then wouldn't they be dead meat whether you are AFK or not if the enemy wanted to kill you?

I've just always wondered that. I don't know much about freighter obviously :-)

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:08:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: titanalt

I'm guessing your one of these, your tears are delicious.

LOL 1
LOL 2
LOL 3

More to come Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Two things:

1) Put the epeen away. Gankers (lamers) are not allowed to have one. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
2) I will happily buy any JFs you can manage to get in one piece for the values shown in the KMs. 2B fitted lol. I'll pay 2B after you strip and repackage them.

Call me!

Mr Epeen Cool


Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:11:00 - [33]
 

Losing a hauler to suicide ganking is nature's way of telling you that you weren't paranoid enough with your cargo shipment.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:28:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:31:22
Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:29:24
Originally by: Lightmans
Edited by: Lightmans on 25/05/2010 20:36:34
1.is this known?
2.what can we do against that?

cargo ships are not more safe to travel with autopilot in high sec!!!

3.why we call it then high sec?
-> i thought ccp solved the problem with -> (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_gank)
Quote:
Suicide ganking was a popular strategy until recently, both with GoonSwarm's JihadSwarm campaign and with several groups of pirates who did it for profit. However, recent changes in game mechanics - faster Concord response time and higher security status losses for criminal actions in highsec - have largely eliminated the practice. It's still possible, and still practiced occasionally, but is much less common than it used to be.

Attention returned to the mass suicide gank with Hulkageddon.


4.is there already a big post here in the forum? if yes where?

more and more people are hacking accounts or are crating throw away accounts for that B***s**t


I've been in and out of the game a few times since 2005 and each time I've come back it's got worse.

More organised suicide gangs than every before, more people gate crashing and stealing loot from missions.

In other MMOs I've played in and heard this game mentioned the number one thing I hear about is the griefing that goes on in high-sec.

I was watching one operation in high-sec tonight they were organised ready to pounce on some juicy target. And I thought what's the point this game is not really fun anymore. The griefing that goes on in high-sec has completely ruined it.

And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.

andeira
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:34:00 - [35]
 

I can has your stuff?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:34:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 25/05/2010 22:35:41
Originally by: Jo Ka
And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.
Your stuff.
My hangar.
Make it happen.

edit: DAMN YOU ANDEIRA! Razz

baltec1
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:36:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jo Ka


I've been in and out of the game a few times since 2005 and each time I've come back it's got worse.

More organised suicide gangs than every before, more people gate crashing and stealing loot from missions.

In other MMOs I've played in and heard this game mentioned the number one thing I hear about is the griefing that goes on in high-sec.

I was watching one operation in high-sec tonight they were organised ready to pounce on some juicy target. And I thought what's the point this game is not really fun anymore. The griefing that goes on in high-sec has completely ruined it.

And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.



Its not CCPs job to hold your hand. In this game, you have to protect yourself and that is not at all that hard to do in high sec.

dankness420
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:39:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Jo Ka
Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:31:22
Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:29:24
And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.


Go back to wow, pansey!

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:39:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jo Ka


I've been in and out of the game a few times since 2005 and each time I've come back it's got worse.

More organised suicide gangs than every before, more people gate crashing and stealing loot from missions.

In other MMOs I've played in and heard this game mentioned the number one thing I hear about is the griefing that goes on in high-sec.

I was watching one operation in high-sec tonight they were organised ready to pounce on some juicy target. And I thought what's the point this game is not really fun anymore. The griefing that goes on in high-sec has completely ruined it.

And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.



Its not CCPs job to hold your hand. In this game, you have to protect yourself and that is not at all that hard to do in high sec.


I'm not interested in anyone holding my hand, just as I'm not interested in staying in a game that promotes a griefing mentallity that has been steadily growing.

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:42:00 - [40]
 

YOU DIRTY SUICIDE GANKERS!!! [RAGE YARRRRR]Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilYARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!


Please pleaseeeeee REDOUBLE your efforts!!! These tears are delicious! muhahaaaa

HIGH SEC - High Security. Not TOTAL 100% SAFE security.
Like in real life you are never 100% safe. This is an inherant fact of the Universe. Most people who play eve like it this way and so do I. And yes I HAVE been suicide ganked before.

Well you learn from your mistakes dont you. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

baltec1
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:43:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jo Ka
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jo Ka


I've been in and out of the game a few times since 2005 and each time I've come back it's got worse.

More organised suicide gangs than every before, more people gate crashing and stealing loot from missions.

In other MMOs I've played in and heard this game mentioned the number one thing I hear about is the griefing that goes on in high-sec.

I was watching one operation in high-sec tonight they were organised ready to pounce on some juicy target. And I thought what's the point this game is not really fun anymore. The griefing that goes on in high-sec has completely ruined it.

And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.



Its not CCPs job to hold your hand. In this game, you have to protect yourself and that is not at all that hard to do in high sec.


I'm not interested in anyone holding my hand, just as I'm not interested in staying in a game that promotes a griefing mentallity that has been steadily growing.


Piracy is not griefing. Griefing would be can baiting nubs outsided a starting station which is a bannable offence.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:46:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: dankness420
Originally by: Jo Ka
Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:31:22
Edited by: Jo Ka on 25/05/2010 22:29:24
And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.


Go back to wow, pansey!


Lol, there are other MMOs other than Eve and WoW, maybe you should get out more.

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:51:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Jo Ka
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jo Ka


I've been in and out of the game a few times since 2005 and each time I've come back it's got worse.

More organised suicide gangs than every before, more people gate crashing and stealing loot from missions.

In other MMOs I've played in and heard this game mentioned the number one thing I hear about is the griefing that goes on in high-sec.

I was watching one operation in high-sec tonight they were organised ready to pounce on some juicy target. And I thought what's the point this game is not really fun anymore. The griefing that goes on in high-sec has completely ruined it.

And as CCP are not willing to do anything about it, I am so after the patch I'll be deleting my remaining characters and then close my last account. And with the state of the game as it is now I'll certainly have no regrets in leaving.



Its not CCPs job to hold your hand. In this game, you have to protect yourself and that is not at all that hard to do in high sec.


I'm not interested in anyone holding my hand, just as I'm not interested in staying in a game that promotes a griefing mentallity that has been steadily growing.



Also I beg to differ. Its not griefing. Its people taking advantage of idiots in a PC GAME. Remeber that it is just a game.
Hell you wouldnt play a game of Battlefield or Call Of Duty and then cry when someone gets a headshot on you.... o_0

Now baiting brand new noobie players - that is griefing in my opinion. Thats taking advantage of people who havent had time to understand game mechanics.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:56:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: cBOLTSON

Also I beg to differ. Its not griefing. Its people taking advantage of idiots in a PC GAME. Remeber that it is just a game.
Hell you wouldnt play a game of Battlefield or Call Of Duty and then cry when someone gets a headshot on you.... o_0

Now baiting brand new noobie players - that is griefing in my opinion. Thats taking advantage of people who havent had time to understand game mechanics.


I guess people have different ideas about what griefing is then. Like I said earlier a lot think it is griefing it is the number one thing I hear about this game whilst in other MMOs.

I've not experienced much of it myself but I see it going on quite a bit. Only times I was suicided they failed both times.

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.05.25 22:57:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 25/05/2010 23:01:07



There is no griefing in EVE, there is only players that allow themselves to be griefed. I've been suicide ganked once, I lost very little and took a calculated risk. But it was still a risk and you win some and lose some. No big deal, in fact it was a fun experience.

The problem with modern MMORPG's is they tell players if anything happens to them its not their fault. In fact the whole of society seems to be heading that way, blame someone else. Everyone's a winner, even the idiots and the lazy. I like EVE as it does not patronise me that way. EVE really is survival of the fittest and makes other games puerile and pointless.

If players grasp that when they play EVE they can have fun with it no matter what they want to do in the game. If they do not grasp it they will have a miserable time being someone else's victim.

EVE is a game where you have to think, hauling valuable cargo in Hi sec without a good tank and support is stupid, it's your fault, your **** up, no one else's.

Drew Jerac
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:00:00 - [46]
 

I just got suicide ganked 30 minutes ago on my way to Jita, and even so I don't want to see suicide ganking removed, it's what makes eve special and stand out from the crowd! New Eden is a brutal place, I'd rather not have my hand held.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:03:00 - [47]
 

Anyway I was only really answering the op, I did not mean to take over his thread.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:04:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Drew Jerac
I just got suicide ganked 30 minutes ago on my way to Jita, and even so I don't want to see suicide ganking removed, it's what makes eve special and stand out from the crowd! New Eden is a brutal place, I'd rather not have my hand held.


Lose much?

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:07:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: cBOLTSON on 25/05/2010 23:09:23
Originally by: Zartrader
Edited by: Zartrader on 25/05/2010 23:01:07



There is no griefing in EVE, there is only players that allow themselves to be griefed. I've been suicide ganked once, I lost very little and took a calculated risk. But it was still a risk and you win some and lose some. No big deal, in fact it was a fun experience.

The problem with modern MMORPG's is they tell players if anything happens to them its not their fault. In fact the whole of society seems to be heading that way, blame someone else. Everyone's a winner, even the idiots and the lazy. I like EVE as it does not patronise me that way. EVE really is survival of the fittest and makes other games puerile and pointless.

If players grasp that when they play EVE they can have fun with it no matter what they want to do in the game. If they do not grasp it they will have a miserable time being someone else's victim.

EVE is a game where you have to think, hauling valuable cargo in Hi sec without a good tank and support is stupid, it's your fault, your **** up, no one else's.



This ^^^^ That has to be the most truth I have heard all year. The fact that the whole of society is heading along with this politically correct 'Everyone is a winner' mentality is appauling. The fact that EVE is contary to this I think is one of its key selling points. Its definatly what keeps players for months and years on end.

EDIT - Grammar n stuffs

steakraw
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:08:00 - [50]
 

Too many -A- alts in this thread. When you get a nullsec alliance suicide ganking freighters in highsec for lols and fun (without any risk/cost on their part), there is little to discuss.

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:08:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 25/05/2010 23:12:30




Originally by: Drew Jerac
I just got suicide ganked 30 minutes ago on my way to Jita, and even so I don't want to see suicide ganking removed, it's what makes eve special and stand out from the crowd! New Eden is a brutal place, I'd rather not have my hand held.


Me and a friend decided to carry stuff last night. We planned it, I scouted, we timed it, we worked out the tank and ship needed for a given response time, we had a few panics but when he got there safely we were very happy. In other words it was fun. If we had lost the shipment wed have laughed and said 'oops'. It's my point I was making earlier, if you know this goes on you can get enjoyment out of it. After all its a game so people need to actually play it and not pretend they are playing solo and stop asking for fundamental game changes to suit the way they want to play.

Making hi sec safe would remove a lot of enjoyment for me despite the fact I have zero interest in ganking myself.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:13:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Zartrader
Edited by: Zartrader on 25/05/2010 23:10:34



Originally by: Drew Jerac
I just got suicide ganked 30 minutes ago on my way to Jita, and even so I don't want to see suicide ganking removed, it's what makes eve special and stand out from the crowd! New Eden is a brutal place, I'd rather not have my hand held.


Me and a friend decided to carry stuff last night. We planned it, I scouted, we timed it, we worked out the tank ans ship needed for a given response time, we had a few panics but when he got there safely we were very happy. In other words it was fun. If we had lost the shipment wed have laughed and said 'oops'. It's my point I was making earlier, if you know this goes on you can get enjoyment out of it. After all its a game so people need to actually play it and not pretend they are playing solo and stop asking for fundamental game changes to suit the way they want to play.

Making hi sec safe would remove a lot of enjoyment for me despite the fact I have zero interest in ganking myself.


Maybe you should try 0.0 if you've not already done so. That is better than high-sec for the most part.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:15:00 - [53]
 

There's an entire category of ship optimized for moving cargo by autopilot through highsec.

Improbably, they care called "lowsec transports."

steakraw
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:25:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
There's an entire category of ship optimized for moving cargo by autopilot through highsec.

Improbably, they care called "lowsec transports."

It doesn't matter if they were on autopilot. They get ganked when decloaking to align. They certainly did the error of not running a scout ahead of the Niarja pipe, but this can happen anywhere. The freighter dies in less than 20seconds with 15 BS smashing it, you could even gank it in 1.0 space. Second error they did was to not logoffski as soon as they saw 10+ BS from a crazy russian pirate alliance on their rig. Unfortunately, for certain cargos you need a freighter size.

Anyway, it's a loss for one part, and zero risk and lols for the other part, only a tiny security level penalty. They even get free insurance from the suicide. This counts as griefing on any textbook, doesn't matter how you colour it.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:28:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: steakraw
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
There's an entire category of ship optimized for moving cargo by autopilot through highsec.

Improbably, they care called "lowsec transports."

It doesn't matter if they were on autopilot. They get ganked when decloaking to align. They certainly did the error of not running a scout ahead of the Niarja pipe, but this can happen anywhere. The freighter dies in less than 20seconds with 15 BS smashing it, you could even gank it in 1.0 space. Second error they did was to not logoffski as soon as they saw 10+ BS from a crazy russian pirate alliance on their rig. Unfortunately, for certain cargos you need a freighter size.

Anyway, it's a loss for one part, and zero risk and lols for the other part, only a tiny security level penalty. They even get free insurance from the suicide. This counts as griefing on any textbook, doesn't matter how you colour it.


If they can co-ordinate a gank of 15 players to your one player bumbling along without a scout (or even scout alt), then they deserve to win. That's not greifing in the least.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:33:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Lightmans
I think high sec should be safe place to travel and to do trading stuff etc.


I think it should be safer than low sec or null sec. And it is.

Quote:
Look, i now the idea and the game mechanics make suiciced ganking interestering.


The rest of your post says you don't.

Quote:
But you have also to see the other side of this:


I do. I just don't see your side.

Quote:
You will not more use again autopilot in the next future, because you have also sucide pirates in high sec. (so lets remove the autopilot feature)


Fine by me. It is not very useful when it only warps to 15 km. I always travel by warping gate-to-gate at zero, no matter where or why I am traveling.

Quote:

And i now that also you guys are using this comfortable feature. Someday they will catch you also with a expensive cargo,
because you can blabla and write a lot against this post and afk autopilot. But we now you also use it.



No, I really don't.

Quote:

Also this people are creating a lot of trial accounts and are getting all virutal char names for them, and its more and more difficult to create a char with a new nice name, because somebody else taken it.



Lightmans is a nice name, and it wasn't taken. Besides, that has nothing to do with suicide ganks.

Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:49:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Usagi Tsukino on 25/05/2010 23:49:57
I've hated suicide ganking ever since one of my corp mates suicided a noobship and got some Tengu BPCs and the best I ever got was a damned Raven BPC.

1 run no less.

OP is right. Suicide ganking is for jerks. MadMadMadMad

Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:52:00 - [58]
 

The problem is not the suicide ganking itself, and I see no problem with the tactic being used as a fair part of EVE gameplay.

The problem occurs where trial accounts are being abused, in order to get around consequences that would normally be incurred by a character when suicide ganking, namely loss of security status.

Trials are supposed to have limitations compared to full accounts, otherwise what is the point in them being free when compared to a full account? There should be no advantages to using a trial account for any purpose, especially advantages that arise from the trial's disposable nature.


While it may be possible to repeatedly delete an alt on a full account for the same purpose, the loss of training time on your main, in order to have the alt pilot a suitable ship, would be the consequence.

couger malthas
Amarr
Violent Purge PLC
Posted - 2010.05.25 23:55:00 - [59]
 

Its crying snivling babys like this that makes me take long breaks from eve. People who ***** and moan, moan and ***** about getting ganked in eve should go and play hello kitty. CCP has nerfed piracy so many times just to keep the carebears happy, and the problem with that is it disgusts me. Hell it makes me want to hunt people like you down and gank you tell you quit eve.

So here is a plan you can stick to, have fun in eve and be 100% safe.

1. Pay your monthly fee.
2. Stay docked up.
3. Surf the new browser eve has made for you.
4. Use the chat like an expensive MSN/AIM/Yahoo

Stop Crying on the threads about your lack of ballsYARRRR!!

Dratic
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2010.05.26 00:00:00 - [60]
 

I'm happy to see there are people that understand what EVE is about.
Not completely safe but safer in high sec. The response times i think are fair considering the level of security 1.0 > 0.5 meaning you need more to accomplish the same effect in higher systems. If you make it "safe" you might aswell change it to "safe space" "unsafe space".
The costs of suicide ganking at the moment are minimal mostly due to cost of modules.
After patch having to pay 30% of premium insurance will have more of an impact.
The hull cost won't be practically free any more. Gankers will have to be more selective in order to guarantee expected payout + pay the costs. Its more risk vs reward which is more akin to what eve is about.
Removing concord payout i'm biased against but would be the largest contributor to declining numbers of suicide ganks of larger ships (freighters, mission ships).
Haulers will be just as vulnerable. Thrashers are cheap :)


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