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Pokechan333
Posted - 2010.05.18 19:40:00 - [1]
 

I'm just wondering one thing, won't the release of T3 frigs make every other frigate worthless except for maybe a stealth bomber? It might cost 100 mil for a frigate, but dramiels cost that much but they are better than any other frigate so far

Captain Nares
Posted - 2010.05.18 19:59:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Pokechan333
I'm just wondering one thing, won't the release of T3 frigs make every other frigate worthless except for maybe a stealth bomber? It might cost 100 mil for a frigate, but dramiels cost that much but they are better than any other frigate so far


I rly want T3 frigs, but there is a serious obstacle on the way to them. Faction, Assault and Electronic Attack frigs aren't balanced between each other now. CCP need to boost AF/EAF and tweak Faction/Navy stuff. Overwise T3 frigs deployment will make a total mess of just mess that we have now.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.18 20:02:00 - [3]
 

We don't know what the T3 frigates will do hell, it's entirely possible that they won't even be "Strategic Frigates".

The only thing we know about them so far is that they'll be "cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world".

Usul Atreides
Posted - 2010.05.18 20:07:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Tippia
We don't know what the T3 frigates will do hell, it's entirely possible that they won't even be "Strategic Frigates".

The only thing we know about them so far is that they'll be "cheap, highly configurable, and losing one won't be the end of the world".

I believe T3 cruisers were meant to be fairly cheap too according to CCP before they were released.

(Okay, now they know where the market has settled and can change it accordingly, however...)

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.05.18 20:58:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Pokechan333
I'm just wondering one thing, won't the release of T3 frigs make every other frigate worthless except for maybe a stealth bomber? It might cost 100 mil for a frigate, but dramiels cost that much but they are better than any other frigate so far


I really wish they don't release T3 frigates tfbh. If they follow the T2-T3 progression of cruisers they will obsolete most T2 frigates and T1 (which new player experience and stuff practically hinges on, we all got our freaking wings flying T1 frigates) will be so obsolete you won't be able to see them from your mountain of awesome with a freaking telescope. Which is, imo, a bad thing.


Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.05.18 21:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Pokechan333
I'm just wondering one thing, won't the release of T3 frigs make every other frigate worthless except for maybe a stealth bomber? It might cost 100 mil for a frigate, but dramiels cost that much but they are better than any other frigate so far


I really wish they don't release T3 frigates tfbh. If they follow the T2-T3 progression of cruisers they will obsolete most T2 frigates and T1 (which new player experience and stuff practically hinges on, we all got our freaking wings flying T1 frigates) will be so obsolete you won't be able to see them from your mountain of awesome with a freaking telescope. Which is, imo, a bad thing.



+1

LF9000
Posted - 2010.05.18 21:13:00 - [7]
 

T3 Pirate Faction Marauders will be end game lvl 4 farming... lol.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2010.05.18 21:13:00 - [8]
 

The frigate selection is too crowded as it is. EAF, AF, and destroyers all need to be looked at. Strategic frigates would be a mistake.

Flitterby
Posted - 2010.05.18 21:35:00 - [9]
 

Strategic Ibis please.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.05.18 22:04:00 - [10]
 

Let them do their worst.



We will pwn those shineys w/ some rifters and be on our way Razz

Roblight
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:38:00 - [11]
 

Yes T3 frigs will most likely make every frig worthless, I am not 100% sure but I remember during last years fan fest CCP mentioned T3 frigs very very briefly... more like a side note but they were saying T3 frigs are going to be meant mainly to allow everybody to experience T3 at a "decent price".

So chances are they will be somewhat better then most frigs and subs with probably be targeted at the variations of T2 frigs ie. AF, SB, EAS etc.

And for prices CCP will be able to somewhat control the prices with the amount of loot needed to make the hull and subs. And with a release of T3 frigs the value of sleeper loot needed to make them will increase as more of its being used so I would say the frigs would be closer to 150-200mil tops. As atm T3 cruisers (hull and subs)are roughly 400mil so 4x T2 cruiser prices and 2x faction cruisers prices so that should give you a decent range.

Remember though CCP controls how everything will come out in the end so this is all speculation based on what CCP has it set at right now.

I SoStoned
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.27 20:18:00 - [12]
 

As with T3 cruisers, any design that uses the modular system will have to somehow establish new roles and niches for the ships that doesn't completely trump other existing hulls.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.05.27 20:26:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: I SoStoned
As with T3 cruisers, any design that uses the modular system will have to somehow establish new roles and niches for the ships that doesn't completely trump other existing hulls.


Cool, so T3 frigates would do something like 350-400 DPS with 30-40K EHP and scrambling you at 20km or something with frigate speed and locktime, and that won't make it OP/FOTM/anything.

Just following from the cruiser->SC progression, you know.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2010.05.27 21:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: I SoStoned
As with T3 cruisers, any design that uses the modular system will have to somehow establish new roles and niches for the ships that doesn't completely trump other existing hulls.


Cool, so T3 frigates would do something like 350-400 DPS with 30-40K EHP and scrambling you at 20km or something with frigate speed and locktime, and that won't make it OP/FOTM/anything.

Just following from the cruiser->SC progression, you know.



This. The frigate world is overly crowded as it is. AF need... something. EAS need to be revisited. I'd argue that destroyers need a total makeover - even the thrasher. Rockets are a joke. Faction frigates are still unbalanced. Ect. Ect.

There are more then enough low price choices w/o adding strategic frigates. (I'm a bit upset that the T2 insurance is no where close to the 60% hinted at in the dev blog.) Strategic BS would have my vote.

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2010.05.27 22:59:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko

I really wish they don't release T3 frigates tfbh. If they follow the T2-T3 progression of cruisers they will obsolete most T2 frigates and T1 (which new player experience and stuff practically hinges on, we all got our freaking wings flying T1 frigates) will be so obsolete you won't be able to see them from your mountain of awesome with a freaking telescope. Which is, imo, a bad thing.



Right idea but it's not rifters that are under threat, it's cruisers and HAC's.

T3 will not obsolete T1 frigs, there will always be a need for disposable tackle. By your way of thinking T1 frigs should already be obsolete because T2 is so much better, a noob in a rifter is very unlikely to kill an experienced player in a jag yet you get flocks of rifters that make some parts of low sec look like a Hitch**** film.

Balance isn't about making everything the same, it's about ensuring that everything has a counter. Currently each race has a tier 2 cruiser that excels in killing frigates (Arbitrator / Caracal / Bellicose / Vexor) and even a low SP player can cause problems for a dramiel stupid enough to get in to scram range. My worry is that if T3 frigs are more powerful than dramiels they will obsolete anti frigate cruisers.

Originally by: Cpt Branko

Cool, so T3 frigates would do something like 350-400 DPS with 30-40K EHP and scrambling you at 20km or something with frigate speed and locktime, and that won't make it OP/FOTM/anything.

Just following from the cruiser->SC progression, you know.



I read this and couldn't help thinking vagabond, a frig with those stats would mean I'd never fly a HAC again. Lets just hope CCP tone things down a bit compared to T3 cruisers because as much as I'm looking forward to T3 frigs I don't want my navy caracal to become obsolete overnight.

Ahz
Posted - 2010.05.27 23:30:00 - [16]
 

Strategic frigates only make sense to me if CCP is willing to retire some ships. That's kind of what I was hoping they were doing with the T3 cruisers.

A lego-frigate that can be reconfigured to fit the role of a Cheetah, Hyena, Wolf, Claw, Stilleto, Jaguar would be fine if you didn't have ships in all those roles already.

It bugs me that there are already so many obsolete ships in-game. Not looking for CCP to add more of them.

My two cents.

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2010.05.27 23:56:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ahz

A lego-frigate that can be reconfigured to fit the role of a Cheetah, Hyena, Wolf, Claw, Stilleto, Jaguar would be fine if you didn't have ships in all those roles already.

It bugs me that there are already so many obsolete ships in-game. Not looking for CCP to add more of them.

My two cents.


Exactly how do T3 frigs obsolete all those cheap ships? Strategic cruisers have not made T2 cruisers obsolete because of the cost barrier and for a similar reason you still see many more T2 frigs than pirate faction frigs.

Owen Drakkar
Bad...Karma
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Let them do their worst.



We will pwn those shineys w/ some rifters and be on our way Razz


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Byzan Zwyth
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:24:00 - [19]
 

retire frigates... the ships people use because they are cheap and require very little SP to use... because of T3?

Hmmm

SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:33:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Let them do their worst.



We will pwn those shineys w/ some rifters and be on our way Razz



You mean in the same way you are currently 'pwning' Lokis in your Rupture/Stabber?

Yeah.. I didn't think so.

Backho
Posted - 2010.05.28 00:59:00 - [21]
 

Well i hope they are going to be unique instead of "rifters with 5 moar % per level of everything"

For example

Suicide Frigates
role bonus: Suicide frigates always get 10% recoil damage back from its guns.
"+1000% damage of Small "name-weapon" turrets per level"

DD Frigates
role bonus: -99.95% Power grid cost of large smartbombs
"+15% cap usage of large smartbombs per level"
"+10% optimal and large smartbomb damage per level"

Anti-capital Frigates
role bonus: -99.95% power grid of citadel class weapons
"+100% damage of extra large "name weapon" turrets per level"

Ewar Frigs
role bonus: -99.95% power grid/cap usage of neuts/nos
"+10% optimal of neuts/nos per level"
"+5% to small "name weapon" turret per level"

Carebaer Frigs (2 missile ports, 4 high slots)
role bonus: +1000% damage for small missile launchers. +60km tractor beam range. +10 salvage bonus. However, it is weak against ewar and has only 2 sensor strength
"+20% armor rep/shield boost and cargohold per level"
"+10% range and rate of fire per level"

Yea. lots of fun ideas for t3 frigs. lets hope they end up as fun mobiles =D instead of rifters with +5%

Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:37:00 - [22]
 

Strategic BC or BS would be next i'd imagine.

Given how a few certain command ships suck horribly *COUGHCOUGHEOSCOUGHCOUGHastarte* perhaps.... ahh who am I kidding. we'll get another massively gimped ship nobody bothers to fly.


Captain Merkin
Minmatar
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2010.05.29 11:32:00 - [23]
 

I really like the idea of tech 3 frigates and am interested to see how it comes out.

Overkill Ishkur anyone? Wolf with 6 autos?

true it will make some ships seem obsolete, but then a lot of them already are.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.05.29 11:45:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Roblight
Yes T3 frigs will most likely make every frig worthless, I am not 100% sure but I remember during last years fan fest CCP mentioned T3 frigs very very briefly... more like a side note but they were saying T3 frigs are going to be meant mainly to allow everybody to experience T3 at a "decent price".


If thats the case, i'd take a stab in the dark and say T3 frigs would only be marginally better than an assault frig, but very useful as a highly configurable machine: probing, speed, tank, DPS etc.

But i would also guess that the resists and CPU/power grid would be level with T2 frigs?

Lupus Pyro
Posted - 2010.05.29 11:50:00 - [25]
 

nah i think t3 frigs is pointless, there are too many frigs already out there, t3 cruisers clearly filled the gap of damage or tank, or both, where cruisers clearly didn't shine too well, another set of frigs is too confusing.
I'd prefer CCP to focus its efforts on designing something awesome for a new mothership role, which i know is a little out of most of EVE's reach, but i think that most if not all ship roles have been filled in the lower stages of the game, now we need to see a serious flagship.

Marcus Henik
Posted - 2010.05.29 13:23:00 - [26]
 

while I see both sides of the argument I dont see t3 frigs as obsoleting all the other frigs fr one simple reason, price. at the end of the day your still flying a ship thats going to be several timesmore expensive than its t2 counterpart, and in most cases wont fill a specfic role better than its t2 counterpart. Example: t3 scanning<t2scan boats T3ewar<t2ewar t3 has a coupl things that it can do that t2 cant, and it is pretty tuff tokill in a fight, but I am not seeing massive gangs of t3 moving around atmost 1 or 2 roaming.

Ryan Starwing
Gallente
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.29 13:59:00 - [27]
 

They will just slap a t3 sign on the dram and make you lose sp when it blows up and call it the t3 frigate. lol jk....I hope

T3 frigate most likely will be either so op that it makes the dram look underpowered or it will still by why fly any frigate other than a dram if you got the isk.

Plave Okice
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Yezhovshchina
Posted - 2010.05.30 09:29:00 - [28]
 

T3 cov ops cloaking dictor frigates please.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.05.30 10:56:00 - [29]
 

Maybe they can make it a sniper frig, able to fit 1 or 2 large Artillery/Rail guns/Beam lasers/cruise launchers...

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.05.30 11:04:00 - [30]
 

Think Covert cloaking Dramiel with 4 100% bonused guns with 100% falloff bonus, 20%/level to web range, and bubble launchers. Oh and it can combat probe. And goes at 10,000 m/s and has 2 built in WCS and Interdiction Nullification.


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