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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.05.18 12:57:00 - [1]
 

They're not bugs, they are typos and it only serves to pad the bug-fix list.Rolling Eyes

C'mon CCP, you can do better than that.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.05.18 13:01:00 - [2]
 

what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.05.18 13:04:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x




Technically, "armor" and "armour" is correct.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2010.05.18 13:05:00 - [4]
 

they actually explained this once in a devblog or post somewhere: tl;dr of it was that any changes they make in their bugtrack/fix/defect software that gets added to the release is included in the automatically generated list of bugfix/changes. Since spelling/grammer mistakes are included in the defect list, when they get fixed, they get added.

as for armour - for some reason CCP insist on using US English instead of uk/aussie/rest of the world English. I intend to try to persuade them to change this with my boomerang next time I am in Iceland.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.05.18 13:52:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x




Technically, "armor" and "armour" is correct.


*are* correct.

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.05.18 13:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
they actually explained this once in a devblog or post somewhere: tl;dr of it was that any changes they make in their bugtrack/fix/defect software that gets added to the release is included in the automatically generated list of bugfix/changes. Since spelling/grammer mistakes are included in the defect list, when they get fixed, they get added.

as for armour - for some reason CCP insist on using US English instead of uk/aussie/rest of the world English. I intend to try to persuade them to change this with my boomerang next time I am in Iceland.


Armour is a UK English thing, in the US we spell it Armor. Same with colour(UK) and color(US).

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.05.18 14:04:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x




Technically, "armor" and "armour" is correct.


*are* correct.



I fail Very Happy

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.18 14:17:00 - [8]
 

Any fix or change which has an effect on the client is noted in patch notes. As players take the time to fill in bug reports to say something is not being displayed correctly we will produce notes on those when they are fixed or changed Smile

DTson Gauur
Caldari
Blend.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2010.05.18 14:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Any fix or change which has an effect on the client is noted in patch notes. As players take the time to fill in bug reports to say something is not being displayed correctly we will produce notes on those when they are fixed or changed Smile


Yeah sure, in your perfect universe maybe, I can off hand remember all the last 3 expansions having stuff missing from patch notes and even stealth nerfs/boosts done which never made it to the notes in the first place (even after players spotted them)

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2010.05.18 14:51:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
Since spelling/grammer mistakes

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2010.05.18 15:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Any fix or change which has an effect on the client is noted in patch notes. As players take the time to fill in bug reports to say something is not being displayed correctly we will produce notes on those when they are fixed or changed Smile


Any non-stealth fix or change which has an effect on the client that was noticed by the people making the bugs list is noted in patch notes. As players take the time to fill in bug reports to say something is not being displayed correctly we will try to produce notes on those when they are fixed or changed.

Fixed!

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.18 16:28:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x




Technically, "armor" and "armour" is correct.


*are* correct.



I fail Very Happy


the beginnings of wisdom are in evidence.

if you want to know how something is spelled the oxford english dictionary is the penultimate authority for english.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.05.18 17:12:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2010 17:13:06

What he said was correct.

Per your recommendation

How he said it was incorrect.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.05.18 19:33:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/05/2010 17:13:06

What he said was correct.

Per your recommendation

How he said it was incorrect.



But then again, the Oxford English Dictionary is suspicious, as it advocates the use of the -ize ending, while everyone knows that ending should be -ise. For proper English spelling use the Cambridge Dictionary instead. What Noah Webster was on I don't know, I suspect he must have been drunk or something.

Playing Eve
Posted - 2010.05.18 20:06:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ehranavaar

if you want to know how something is spelled the oxford english dictionary is the penultimate authority for english.


If that is the next to last authority, what is the final authority?

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2010.05.18 20:08:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 18/05/2010 20:30:42

Doesnt the oxford dictionary contain a metric tonn of words that nobody ever uses anymore? words that webster saw fit to retire?

Also I dont recall any mmo not having spelling corrections or localzation as part of the fixes in thier patches.

Finally reason why its armor in the states is becuase US english is lazy with the last syllable generally, so having a 'our' at the end may skew the pronoucination of the word a bit.

On a side note I could have easily said 'efficent' in place of lazy but I' couldnt be bothered to troll the brits as I got better things do to.

Jo Ka
Posted - 2010.05.18 21:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x



Never, all MMOs seem to use armor (American version) so much so that often I use Armor too when talking ingame or on the forums. I'm afraid our Armour (English version) has taken a back seat in the gaming world.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.05.18 22:21:00 - [18]
 

Wow, it just goes to show you that some people will complain about anything.

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2010.05.18 23:27:00 - [19]
 

We did recently have a brief discussion (well, myself and CCP Explorer did, anyway) about considering standardizing on British English rather than US English, but there's simply too much legacy text to make doing so in any consistent manner worthwhile. I did derive some measure of satisfaction though from purging every last double space from EVE's ingame text. (99% is rendered in HTML which collapses multiple spaces into a single space anyway, but it's the thought that counts.)

If we were using British English (aka The Queen's English, aka Proper English, aka English English), I would definitely push to make the OED the definitive reference source on the basis that it's the most widely-recognized authority on the matter - and that despite my being a "tab".

EB Research
Posted - 2010.05.18 23:36:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: EB Research on 18/05/2010 23:36:17

Wendi Watson
Organization Too Secret To Know
Posted - 2010.05.18 23:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
If we were using British English (aka The Queen's English, aka Proper English, aka English English), I would definitely push to make the OED the definitive reference source on the basis that it's the most widely-recognized authority on the matter - and that despite my being a "tab".


yes, but think about how much extra disk and DB space would be taken up by all those superfluous "u"s. Razz

Calapine
Caldari
Xeno Tech Corp
Black Cartel.
Posted - 2010.05.19 00:14:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Calapine on 19/05/2010 00:15:02
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
We did recently have a brief discussion (well, myself and CCP Explorer did, anyway) about considering standardizing on British English rather than US English, but there's simply too much legacy text to make doing so in any consistent manner worthwhile. I did derive some measure of satisfaction though from purging every last double space from EVE's ingame text. (99% is rendered in HTML which collapses multiple spaces into a single space anyway, but it's the thought that counts.)

If we were using British English (aka The Queen's English, aka Proper English, aka English English), I would definitely push to make the OED the definitive reference source on the basis that it's the most widely-recognized authority on the matter - and that despite my being a "tab".


Well, I obviously know nothing about 'puters, but I guess that means something like "Search for 'armor', replace with 'armour'" isn't possible?

Also, what about applying the players time on it? Having a "Find a spelling error - 100 ISK per entry reward" contest would be great. At least would be more fun/profitable than mining!

Cala

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2010.05.19 00:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Calapine
Edited by: Calapine on 19/05/2010 00:15:02
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
We did recently have a brief discussion (well, myself and CCP Explorer did, anyway) about considering standardizing on British English rather than US English, but there's simply too much legacy text to make doing so in any consistent manner worthwhile. I did derive some measure of satisfaction though from purging every last double space from EVE's ingame text. (99% is rendered in HTML which collapses multiple spaces into a single space anyway, but it's the thought that counts.)

If we were using British English (aka The Queen's English, aka Proper English, aka English English), I would definitely push to make the OED the definitive reference source on the basis that it's the most widely-recognized authority on the matter - and that despite my being a "tab".


Well, I obviously know nothing about 'puters, but I guess that means something like "Search for 'armor', replace with 'armour'" isn't possible?

Also, what about applying the players time on it? Having a "Find a spelling error - 100 ISK per entry reward" contest would be great. At least would be more fun/profitable than mining!

Cala


The three big hurdles to doing what is essentially a dialect change:

- Building/sourcing a list of ALL variations between the two dialects. It's relatively trivial to search for armor and replace with armour, but completely re-localizing everything effectively is not at all trivial.
- Altering all our other existing material, including several websites, all the existing chrons and novellas and whatnot, template material and so on and so forth.
- Getting buy-in from everyone involved. To actually get a consensus agreement on a change like this through would probably involve a LOT of discussion that could more fruitfully be directed in other directions. We would probably decide in the process that we would prefer to keep the same spelling and syntax style in all our products (for various reasons including making it easy for employees to switch between products, having a generally consistent corporate style, making editors' lives easier and so on), which would then mean having a company-wide, all-projects discussion on whether to commit everyone to changing all their existing text. At some point in this discussion somebody would no doubt point out that we're talking about a fairly significant amount of money here (remember, developer time = money), and ask why this was such an important change, and saying "all those Zs offend me" unfortunately doesn't cut the mustard.

In the end, while it's something that's fun to talk about with our artiste hats on (Explorer looks lovely in his), when we put on our professional developer hats it's obvious that this is not a practical suggestion. Instead, we do things like spitefully excising double spaces, viciously correcting errant break tag usage, and other theraputic syntactic purges.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.05.19 00:35:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Cat o''Ninetails on 19/05/2010 00:35:00
i love my job lol ugh

x

Calapine
Caldari
Xeno Tech Corp
Black Cartel.
Posted - 2010.05.19 00:49:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Calapine on 19/05/2010 00:52:57
Wee...thank you for the reply :)

Your third point is something I'd hadn't consider all that all, and probably somewhat explains why a lot of "Dear CCP, this takes 10 mins to code, why don't you do it?!!" bugfixes/changes don't happen: It's all more complicated than it looks on first glance.

And yes, it's really a minor thing. To quote you 'developer timer = money', and there is really sooooo much that needs to be fixed before spelling. Like...um...hybrid balance and the in-game font...please. (Yes, I fly Gallente and have poor eyesight).

And Lag, of course. Rolling Eyes

Cala

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.05.19 01:15:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon

Armour is a UK English thing,
Not really, it's an everywhere but the US thing.

Zofran
Posted - 2010.05.19 01:27:00 - [27]
 

Because when you arn't actually developing the game and IP you might as well bloat up patch notes to make players think they are getting a "free" "expansion"... hurrrrrrr

el Sabor
Posted - 2010.05.19 01:46:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: el Sabor on 19/05/2010 02:50:42
Edited by: el Sabor on 19/05/2010 01:46:57
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
what i want to know is when they will spell armour correctly lol

x



To add to the list I have trouble searching for from time to time:
nanofibre
analyser

Their servers are in London so they're doing it wrong!

EDIT: edited so I'm doing it right.

Doesn't really bother me to be honest though. Probably more Americans playing than Brits anyway.

General klinkerhoffen
Posted - 2010.05.19 02:07:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: el Sabor


There servers are in London so they're doing it wrong!



Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.19 02:39:00 - [30]
 

Surely it is a trivial thing to replace all the US English glitched words with their correct UK English counterparts, heck it could almost be scripted.

Replace("Armor","Armour")

And then run it over all of the Eve code base. Heck even the function names would then be updated with the correct spelling, and because you are running it over the entire code base nothing would break :)


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