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Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 01:26:00 - [1]
 

Seems that the latest patch-notes for SiSi have snuck in the line "The Alliance Contacts list is limited to 300 entries."

Now, we're a NRDS entity so have a very healthy red list (in the region of 900 entries). Now, a quick bit of testing on SiSi shows the list was copied over just fine, but now we cannot create any new contacts. This is going to be a major issue for anyone that doesn't just run as NBSI and is going to make being NRDS a major headache for pretty much anyone, if not making it effectively non-viable. I'm guessing those responsible for this change/oversight in CCP don't follow NRDS themselves ugh

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 01:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/05/2010 02:03:31

Pretty much the kiss for death for NRDS entities in 0.0 if this goes ahead in its current form. We could really do with that limit removed or increased to somewhere around the 1500 mark as a sensible minimum for combined standings.

Can we have some feedback from CCP on this please? Are we really going to need to lose our red settings in the new standings system?

(In the current form the existing standings travel across but you cannot add new ones unless you trim the list down to below the 300 mark)


claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.05.13 02:10:00 - [3]
 

I doubt it was done with malicious intent and was probably just an arbitrary number put in by someone writing the code. However, with that said, CCP needs to seriously take a look at this issue. A lot of the longer standing and/or bigger alliances such as The Star Fraction, CVA, IT, etc, etc. will have more than 300 reds and blues combined.

So, how about it CCP? Answers?

Claire XXX

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.05.13 02:14:00 - [4]
 

This is a significant issue and were it to occur there would be no way to work around it (other than turning NBSI).

I'm sure keeping these values for every alliance is a significant use of disk space but I believe I can speak for many alliances when I say it is important information to keep available.

Skin Miner
Minmatar
DEM0N HUNTERS
Posted - 2010.05.13 02:15:00 - [5]
 

Even considering the amount of space the current system is taking up; a limit of 300 contacts is quite small. Confused Especially considering how many corps and alliances there are in Eve... So many alliances it seems that I can't load the rankings page to take a rough guess >.<;

Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 02:23:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Skin Miner
Even considering the amount of space the current system is taking up; a limit of 300 contacts is quite small. Confused Especially considering how many corps and alliances there are in Eve... So many alliances it seems that I can't load the rankings page to take a rough guess >.<;


Well, given that the system happily ported over our existing 900 or so negative standings, there's not a code limitation to it. It appears to be an arbitrary restriction that CCP have set.

Heartblood
Posted - 2010.05.13 08:26:00 - [7]
 

This cannot be! Fix it! Limiting contact lists is a pretty stupid idea in general if you want to expand the game's social networking features!

Kedisa
Jericho Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 09:47:00 - [8]
 

That's a stupid idea if ever I saw one...

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.05.13 12:03:00 - [9]
 

CCP's UI code doesn't scale well! News at 11.

This is in-game interface, I understand. What about the EVE Gate interface? Is it not possible to manage contacts, including setting standings, through there? (Just wondering, haven't tested it much myself.)

General klinkerhoffen
Posted - 2010.05.13 12:23:00 - [10]
 

It might be that they just want to limit it to begin with so that EVEgate isnt stressed too much, they'll be limiting how many people can log on at one with release but they might release these restrictions.

Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 12:28:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Victor Valka
CCP's UI code doesn't scale well! News at 11.

This is in-game interface, I understand. What about the EVE Gate interface? Is it not possible to manage contacts, including setting standings, through there? (Just wondering, haven't tested it much myself.)


Oh, the UI handles showing them just fine. Just won't let you add news ones as you've reached this apparently arbitrary limit.

As for limiting it to protect eve-gate? Not being funny, but having important (from our point of view) in-game functionality being crippled in return for snazzy portal is not something I want to see.

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.05.13 12:30:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ehrine Ashbark
Oh, the UI handles showing them just fine. Just won't let you add news ones as you've reached this apparently arbitrary limit.

As for limiting it to protect eve-gate? Not being funny, but having important (from our point of view) in-game functionality being crippled in return for snazzy portal is not something I want to see.
I understand your concern completely. Arbitrary limits, fun are not. Crying or Very sad

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.13 13:42:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Darveses on 13/05/2010 13:42:39
Seconded.

NRDS is also part of the sandbox, please think of that before before implementing such limitations.


Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.05.13 13:45:00 - [14]
 

This is bad. Limiting corps and alliance to 300 is not enough. Personal contacts can be limited though. ugh

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.05.13 14:15:00 - [15]
 

The boundries of the sandbox that ISN'T Eve is crashing down on us.

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.13 15:30:00 - [16]
 

Horrible news indeed.

I thought CCP were on a mission to make the game friendlier for new players to adapt to? It seems as though people are going to be forced to operate under NBSI.

Completely ridiculous!

Amymuffmuff
Amarr
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.05.13 15:38:00 - [17]
 

This is not good news at all. With the amount of Alliances and Corperations there is how is this going to work? Confused

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 15:54:00 - [18]
 


Can we get some developer feedback on this please? Are you guys at least aware of the issue?

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 16:25:00 - [19]
 

Please don't kill my standings list =/

Whats the point of warfare if you can't keep track of your enemies?

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2010.05.13 17:42:00 - [20]
 

this SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO needs to get bumped to a priority for NRDS alliances, NRDS is a valid play style that this change is gonna majorly impact.

Chunky Milk
Viziam
Posted - 2010.05.13 18:36:00 - [21]
 

signed.
seems like a horrible idea.

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.05.13 19:15:00 - [22]
 

This is a serious issue and with Tyrannis so close it needs immediate attention. We're fortunate that someone noticed it before it hit us blind.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2010.05.13 19:17:00 - [23]
 

300?

that wouldn't even cover the standings for more than 5 regions, let alone the mobile groups, the newly formed, the group the split, sub corps and corps that make faction warfare divisions

this game pushes large vast blobby groups with thousands of pilots in corps, alliance and coalitions. there has to be a way to detail who to shoot, who not to shoot and who it doesn't matter one way or the other.

find a different solution to your problem, what ever the problem is now? server lag? how about less states? don't have degrees of standings, just neutral, blue or red. There is no point in having flexability in a sliding scale of standing if its going to be nuked into a rediculous minor use.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 19:33:00 - [24]
 

Just adding my voice to the throng, 300 is low for an alliance half our age, and extremely low to an alliance of our age.

Some response on this would be welcome CCP, it's going to hurt the NRDS community a lot :(

Clipso Majesto
Caldari
Dead Cow Cult
Posted - 2010.05.13 20:23:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Clipso Majesto on 13/05/2010 20:28:40
Edited by: Clipso Majesto on 13/05/2010 20:27:50
I do hope this was an error. Please CCP, can you give us an answer?



Clipso Majesto

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:38:00 - [26]
 


Would really like an answer here, if its a mistake please let us know so we can stop worrying about our 900 negative standings being lost please!


Wrongsides
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:42:00 - [27]
 

I don't really see how I can keep playing the way I do if we're restricted to 300 standings. I have played the pirate, the NBSI, the militia man, none have held my interest like my time in The Star Fraction. Please, do not cripple us like this.

Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:33:00 - [28]
 

300 total .. we need blues too, that limits reds to even fewer.

Reconsider CCP, this will kill NRDS.

Punx Loki
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:36:00 - [29]
 

Surely this is an error. 300? That's simply not going to work for the older NRDS alliances.

-Punx

claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.05.13 23:41:00 - [30]
 

Still waiting for some sign that CCP isn't asleep at the helm.


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