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Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.05.24 06:44:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.

1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience

2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced

3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.


In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added





Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).

If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.

What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.

Colorblind Cacciatore
Posted - 2010.05.24 09:01:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Zora'e
Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.

1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience

2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced

3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.


In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added





Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).

If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.

What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.


Now tell us how you really feel >_>

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.24 09:27:00 - [123]
 


Zora'e
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.05.24 10:31:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Colorblind Cacciatore
Originally by: Zora'e
Edited by: Zora''e on 24/05/2010 07:20:36
Originally by: CCP Rhayger
Regarding EVE Gate being opt-in versus opt-out I am afraid that will not be the case. This is a conscious decision on our behalf for a number of key reasons.

1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience

2) We are not ignoring security concerns, on the contrary we are investing heavily in addressing them and it is our goal to meet your concerns by giving you flexible control over your information. Our approach to addressing your concerns is not to turn off access all together, but to give you the tools to manage the control of your information yourself. This is something that will be continuously worked on, added to and enhanced

3) At its core this is a social network for EVE Players, not an anti-Social network. An opt-in setting would have almost no one included at start and is contrary to the purpose of the feature and would cripple its usefulness. We feel there are better and more productive ways to address your privacy needs.


In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added





Are you guys REALLY this fricking moronically stupid? I play eve for in game content. Not some stupid browser warrior idiocy like you are planning. I have no intention of using eve gate. Ever. You morons. It has exactly squat to do with my playing eve the mmo (i.e. the internet spaceship game where you fly internet spaceships and blow crap up).

If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.

What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.


Now tell us how you really feel >_>


Originally I did but all that posted was a bunch of ************** so I was forced to edit it to be somewhat more politically correct, even though...

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a416/TikiTaviMavi/01politicalcorrectnes.jpg

Updated the image to a URL - Adida

Cigic
Caldari
Sons of Viagra
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2010.05.26 10:01:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Kossaw
Originally by: CCP Rhayger

1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience



So let me get this straight. You expect that we MUST use eve-gate - and the way you ensure this is to force us all to log in ASAP to check out security settings so that data we do not want to be shared is actually hidden (After you have already shared it) I assume at this point you are aware of the very public scr*w ups by google in recent times with respect to publishing private data. Please don't repeat this.

Quote:

In summary, we are listening very closely to your concerns and are making conscious changes to address your privacy needs, some of those changes you have already seen as a result of feedback from alpha testing. However we feel an opt-in or opt-out option is not the answer. As EVE Gate comes to life and you begin using it we would appreciate your feedback on the account settings we roll out and what further controls you would like to see added



OK Here's some feedback .... I HATE FACEBOOK AND I DONT WANT TO BE FORCED TO USE EVE-GATE. Default settings must be that player settings and data is ABSOLUTELY PRIVATE, unless explicitly shared in eve-gate.

Clear enough for you ?

If you want Eve-Gate to be "indispensable" do this by making it more functional, not by forcing us to use it.



signed

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2010.05.26 11:29:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 26/05/2010 11:33:06
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 26/05/2010 11:29:45
Originally by: Zora'e

If you think you can force people to use an out of game extension to your mmo (other than forcing them to go in and OPT OUT (dumbasses), you guys have your heads shoved so far up your own asses I am surprised you can even fricking breathe. I swear I thought you guys were actually intelligent but I see you are bound and determined to prove me horribly wrong.

What a bunch of moronically stupid idiots you guys are.


Seconding above poster..

I havent been particularly paying attention to what this evegatething is doing but Im absolutely against CCP publicizing any data that was previously private and expect us to act on changing security settings to prevent its publication.. What about those people are are taking time away from game?

Quote:
default settings must be fail-safe

Caera LeBlond
Posted - 2010.05.26 12:05:00 - [127]
 

Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......

I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).

Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.

Jamie Banks
Quantum Horizons
Posted - 2010.05.26 23:27:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Caera LeBlond
Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......

I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).

Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.


Seconded

IntelJoe
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:55:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Jamie Banks
Originally by: Caera LeBlond
Hmmm, privacy laws for made up characters in a made up world existing solely in the 0's and 1's of chips of and disks. Please......

I'm not a lawyer specialising in privacy laws but even in France that would be expecting a bit much. Also doesn't the EULA clearly state that all characters, content, etc.... is and remains the property of CCP and all you are paying for is the opportunity to use it? So they are publishing their own information really. As long as they keep usernames, passwords and any information relating to you (the real person, you know the one who has a physical presence) then that seems pretty hunky dory to me and probably any legal system in the world (the one that the physical things live on and as far as I know the only one that currently is known to have sentient life on it).

Don't some people get all worked up about nothing.


Seconded


Seconded.....Awwwwwww

Aeila Goch
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.05.27 02:34:00 - [130]
 

Change default settings to 'No Pilot'

Split Buddies & Blocked again.

Add some form of list management, folders etc.



But to be honest, I'd sooner you use the Devs time fixing the games gooey (GUI) so that it remembers user setting properly & on in game bugs, rather than this!

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.05.27 04:20:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2010 04:24:13
Edited by: Nishachara on 27/05/2010 04:20:20
First of all, I dont like facebook, msn and all that c..p :P

But its usefull to stay in touch with people, arange a meeting etc...etc...

And eve gate will also be usefull to some people, and some will hate it.

But the main point is...IT TAKES LESS TIME TO CHANGE PRIVACY SETTINGS THAN TO RAGE ABOUT IT ON THE FORUMS.

Just STFU.

Arriyanna Blue
Posted - 2010.05.27 04:20:00 - [132]
 

Inappropriate content removed.Applebabe

I also don't like facebook, but it's practical.
And eve gate is also practical, cause you don't need to be logged on to see what happens (and to read your mails), and you can communicate with people out of game.
I don't see anything bad in this.

Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
Posted - 2010.05.27 07:29:00 - [133]
 

Support this topic, please, to set the default to no pilots

Anosh
Posted - 2010.05.27 07:58:00 - [134]
 

OK so I went to the site www.evegate.com and my browser advised the site fails certification and advises me not to enter personal information.


Now what ?

I feel damned if i do and doamned if i don't.

Good job CCP, NOT.

Verlorene Seele
jingoistic
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:41:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Anosh
OK so I went to the site www.evegate.com and my browser advised the site fails certification and advises me not to enter personal information.


Now what ?

I feel damned if i do and doamned if i don't.

Good job CCP, NOT.


Hmm, iv not seen a link to eve gate yet, i googled it and results are Evegate business park, propperty, shops and services located in rural kent Crying or Very sad
So atm all my private stuffs is on show and i cant do anything about it?
iv search eve website and just get lead to dev blogs and after much searching i now find me asking for a link to the site (after finding a evegate with strange address) https://gate.eveonline.com/ but i realy dont want to type my details into there to log in, to find out the isk farmers have made their own site.

If anyone can help plz, it would be much appreciated

Zallende
Posted - 2010.05.27 08:57:00 - [136]
 

EveGate is available now, it still says it's in beta but it's got live data in it.

https://evegate.com/

It has a certificate error, you'll need to override it to get in. I figure that, in this case, that's probably a safe bet.

You can then do what I did - go in and set everything to "No Pilots".

I'm struggling to imagine what use this 'feature' is going to have, and why the Devs have spent time on it, but at least if you do this your mind can be set to rest.

Zallende.

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.27 09:27:00 - [137]
 

I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.

Sjarana
Posted - 2010.05.27 09:42:00 - [138]
 

Is this the thread to post feedback on the use of Spacebook?

If so,
1. Editing the Bio does not work properly, I can change the Bio, but there is no send button to confirm it.

2. The listing of my contacts does not show all contacts. One at the bottom I can read but the tick box is hidden by the bar.

3. Some of my character show the wrong avatar. A nice female gallente turned into an ugly Amarr ****head. Logging in on that account itself showed the right avatar. So something is twisted in the database I think.

4. Changing between screens is a tad slow.



Verlorene Seele
jingoistic
Posted - 2010.05.27 10:00:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Verlorene Seele on 27/05/2010 10:12:40
Originally by: Zallende
EveGate is available now, it still says it's in beta but it's got live data in it.

https://evegate.com/

It has a certificate error, you'll need to override it to get in. I figure that, in this case, that's probably a safe bet.

You can then do what I did - go in and set everything to "No Pilots".

I'm struggling to imagine what use this 'feature' is going to have, and why the Devs have spent time on it, but at least if you do this your mind can be set to rest.

Zallende.


Thanks m8.... on a side note, yea iv set everything to 'no pilots' as ill never use evegate myself, although, that said, i doubt it would matter anyway, im a gallente male on that site, so obviously its full ov s**** Laughing

..............................
Verlorene Seele - now with 'extra' bits added on Embarassed

Zallende
Posted - 2010.05.27 10:11:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: chatgris
I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.

Many thanks for this!

Zallende

Anosh
Posted - 2010.05.27 11:49:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Anosh on 27/05/2010 12:23:47
Edited by: Anosh on 27/05/2010 11:53:20
Originally by: Zallende
Originally by: chatgris
I used https://gate.eveonline.com for setting my interface to No Pilots. At least, I know it's a domain owned by CCP, and there are no cert warnings there.

Many thanks for this!

Zallende


Just tried this, and got :

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

so i guess i gotta use the beta site with the cert error or nothing ? Damn this is frustrating.

edit : even the link to test.evegate from the latest devblog linked by the OP of this thread doesn't work. Way to go CCP. You force this change on us and then provide no safe looking way to access it. Seriously dumb.

edit 2 : Never mind - got an answer in another thread and the correct site (no cert errors) is indeed https://gate.eveonline.com/

"no pilots" done. I will decide if and when and how I will use this site thank-you.

Lockear
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:46:00 - [142]
 

no pilots for me. Thanks for asking me ccp :)

Viper26
Posted - 2010.05.27 20:57:00 - [143]
 

Well, I don't like if I "have to" use something, some will like it, others, won't. I think time will shows us how useful it could be.
By the way I don't want to play with my browser, instead of EVE... ugh

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2010.05.27 22:12:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: CCP Rhayger
1) Most importantly, EVE Gate is NOT an optional service added onto EVE. It is a new fundamental part of EVE, just as much a part as in game mail, fitting windows, contracts, etc. Opt-in versus opt-out implies this is an optional service slapped on the side, it is not. Extensive effort and investment will be going into broadening EVE Gate so that it is indispensable in enhancing and improving your experience.


/sigh...

How in the name of all the good gods can you imagine that this "feature" is *not* optional? Can I play the game without using the fitting window? no.

Can I play the game without using contracts? Yeah, but you cripple yourself... so, not really.

Can I play without my in game mail? Maybe, but really, only solo... Rolling Eyes

So, what will you make it that I *can't* do, without Eve-Gate? Because as it stands right now, it is most *assuredly* "optional"...

Opt-out is (imho) just wrong-headed for all the reasons mentioned... Confused



Saen Wolfe
Caldari
Universal Contracts
Posted - 2010.05.27 22:55:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Sjarana
Is this the thread to post feedback on the use of Spacebook?

If so,
1. Editing the Bio does not work properly, I can change the Bio, but there is no send button to confirm it.

2. The listing of my contacts does not show all contacts. One at the bottom I can read but the tick box is hidden by the bar.

3. Some of my character show the wrong avatar. A nice female gallente turned into an ugly Amarr ****head. Logging in on that account itself showed the right avatar. So something is twisted in the database I think.

4. Changing between screens is a tad slow.





I also have an avatar picture that is incorrect. I'm a Male Caldari with some random Female avatar picture.

In game it's correct, but in Eve Gate it's wrong. I know this is a minor issue, but come on, this shouldn't be happening.

smileynz
Gallente
Sons Of Alexander
Posted - 2010.05.28 06:11:00 - [146]
 

A lot of *****ing and moaning here.

I find evegate very handy. Can keep an eye on my corp, mail and now reply to people with my abacus at Work

Calander a awesome addition

thanks CCP Very Happy

Gethis Stark
Posted - 2010.05.28 13:07:00 - [147]
 

Quote:
Profile Settings

The following pilots have the ability to see my profile's full contacts list:
{set to none}
The following pilots have the ability to see my profile's mutual contacts:
{set to None}
Pilots, Corporations and Alliances that you have blocked will not have the option to see your contacts.


Yeah I can see how thats hard to do!


All the self righteousness is amusing, if you are so paranoid about your standings and stuff I have an idea, stop playing, and before you go, kan I haz ur stuff?

You donít like it, adapt, im sure thatís the Eve mantra, **** itís what is always said when the nerfbat swings. But then hey if you did that, you couldnít have a nice little self righteous "omg the sky is falling" rant. If this affected your Real life, then yes you would have a point otherwise, itís a game, get over yourselves already.

CCP, thanks for the patch, and Evegate, its looking good apart from the little extra patch (starbase bug), and possible reporting thingy, Iím hoping itís a reporting thingy or I just lost a couple of days worth of skills, Meh, I will survive.

M Sullivan
Posted - 2010.05.29 03:30:00 - [148]
 

Right, I think some are not just getting the "issue" here.
The "issue" for me, is for them to assume that I WANT to share my contacts or anything else, no matter what standing they have.
That very concept of "assuming" that I want to share anything without asking me is offensive, no matter how little or insignificant that information is. It is my choice to do so and my alone.
People have been letting their guards down in this regards on the Internet more and more, this is starting to be Orwells biggest nightmare, get your tag reader ready...








Schwarngyu
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:33:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Schwarngyu on 29/05/2010 10:56:18



They dont play Eve anymore its why we get our subscriptions or CCP development dollars spent on this waste of time which I am sure will be great for the World of Darkness product, but we get to pay to be beta testers for this epic fail facebook rip off.

Devs please step away from the keyboard slap yourself a few times, and please add something that these customers actually want in Eve.

Please, make it possible to delete Latest Updates and or Events you created so you dont have to see them forever!

What about the contact notifcation spam during a fleet fight, I am sure it wont lag out the client? 250 fleet member all change your settings for x person, ok everyone send it now now now.... I am sure no lag will be created doing this to an FC or the entire enemy cap fleet.


BTW this patch should have been called Social Gaming RipOff DOUCHE not tyranis.

Achmed TheDead
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:58:00 - [150]
 

(QR)

I saw a page somewhere once that said some of the features that will be coming to eve gate.

some of these seam awesome:
Market access
Corporation management access.
notepad (ingame) access.

and others, I feel accessing from evegate would be bloody awesome.

I think though, that to express some of the concerns i saw. if any feature (present or future) that can manipulate your character in anyway (wallet, market, skills, etc) that there should be an added layer of security. like a security question or something .

just a thought,
don't flame me
or do, i wont see it anyway.


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