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Ivvor
Posted - 2010.06.28 19:43:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Jack bubu
Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Originally by: Elaine Shandrate
Could it be then that Sansha knew about this, and somehow caused the Isogen-5 explosions, to get access to WH- and Jovian space? Defeated the Jovians with their own technologies?

I wouldn't liberally mix Sansha/Jove current affairs with Jove/Sleepers events of one year and half ago. Besides involving the same race, let's remember that the Isogen-5 incident was more related to Blood Raiders than Sansha Nation.
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Could it be the Jovians are "gone" ?

Well...

...How long they've been silent? I didn't hear (= read) from them since a very long time.

*A droplet of ice cold sweat runs down Kat's spine*

Well the last time we heard of them was during the Empyrian age, more precisely at the end of the novel where an eidolon tries to make it through the eve gate but fails irc.


I didn't get the impression they failed as such.

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He was the last living creature aboard a ship that was hurled through Point Genesis, which - contrary to Empire Lore - was not at all what it seemed.


If the Jove and the Sleepers are essentially the same thing then I wonder what the connection between the EVE gate and W-space could be?

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.29 02:44:00 - [242]
 

I agree in with those who are basically saying Anoikis is perhaps called that because it is basically a place for people to be sent off away from the body of society to die, in the same sense that the word has a meaning for cells to separate and die.

One thing we need to do as a group is determine exactly which of the sites that are being mentioned are "Sleeper sites" and which ones are Talocan Sites that are being guarded by sleeper drones. One of the common mistakes being made is to assume that they are all sleeper sites. We were given a hint that the Talocan and Sleepers may not have occupied those regions at the same time. One group was probably there first and one came along after the fact.

Ephrael Daytrader
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:20:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: Ephrael Daytrader on 29/06/2010 13:00:57
Could the sleepers be Jovians, or at least closely related/afflicted by the same affliction (Jovian Disease)?

The similarities I'm seeing are:

1) Infection of some sort, with apparently no cure in sight
2) Read description of Emergent Combat Intelligence "to create an atmosphere in which an advanced system could self-assemble its own consciousness and thus emerge as a sentient being, the Jovians appear to have abandoned these pursuits many millennia ago"
3) The Jovians possibly already had access to wormhole technology, may be how they access the outside world without the stargate network.

What if the sleeper drones are what has become of the millenia old Emergent Combat Intelligence drones the Jovians abandoned, with these drones having been left to protect Jovians in stasis, hence sleepers?

The Jovians are known to be terrified of loss of life. The short story about them giving the Caldari the capsule technology highlights that fear of theirs as the entire reason behind the technology. What if these sleeper sites are some sort of millenia old quarantine zone built for those affected by the Jovian Disease and abandoned by the Jovians as they declined further numerically and became less capable of protecting them directly?

I know this is far different from the other theories out there, but I can't help but think we're all overthinking this, and maybe we need to start thinking a little more basic.

Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:20:00 - [244]
 

Edited by: Geldar Wroontik on 29/06/2010 13:20:28
Originally by: Baillif
I agree in with those who are basically saying Anoikis is perhaps called that because it is basically a place for people to be sent off away from the body of society to die, in the same sense that the word has a meaning for cells to separate and die.

Like Death Row in a prison perhaps. Or just a life sentence with no parole, to use a modern analogy.

Genki SG
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:24:00 - [245]
 

@CCP Dropbear:
Would you be so kind as to clearify who got it right or what we got right? So that we can focus on the stuff we do not have as of yet figured out.
Just a post with "No." even would be nice ;)

...or I will have to track you down ingame and hug you (you decide whether thats a threat or not^^)

Citizen Yang
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:42:00 - [246]
 

So WH space is possibly an enormous network of mausoleums guarded by emergent drones? Interesting...

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.30 05:33:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Baillif on 30/06/2010 05:38:24
Edited by: Baillif on 30/06/2010 05:37:11
Well the thing is the Quarantine Zone is not a sleeper construct it is Talocan. It is a group of Talocan Structures that had sleeper drones use one of those dimensional rifts to travel to it.

There are also mentions of Quarantine facilities being used by the sleepers at sleeper constructs such as the Medical Enclave which seems to suggest that whatever sickness was affecting the inhabitants of the wormholes at the time, it was contagious among both the Talocan and Sleepers.

This seems to suggest the Talocan and Sleepers existed in wormhole space with some overlap. The reason I say this is evidence possibly indicating that both groups suffered from a contagion. None of us who have been stomping around in W space have gotten sick yet. This might be because we aren't vulnerable to the disease and it might be because the disease killed off anyone who had it long ago, and died of itself because of a lack of hosts.

It could also be that the medical enclave just had quarantine zones just like any hospital probably would and I am reading way too much into things.

Another thing of note is the apparent damage that seems to have been suffered by talocan and sleeper structures. Although it is clear that out of the two groups the structures that are typically damaged the greatest are the talocan structures. This could have been due to age celestial impacts or war. Their stuff seems built to last, so war of some sort seems to be what happened. The names of the sites pretty blatantly suggest war. Barracks, outposts, strongholds, the wormholes were the battlegrounds for a major conflict.

Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Posted - 2010.06.30 06:11:00 - [248]
 

woah, lots of brainstorming around..

okay, I'll toss my bits into here aswell:

Do we agree that the sleeper are really just the drone guardians that were left behind by the talocans? And that the talocans appear to be at least some splinter-group of an old jovian empire?

They want us, or the empires to continue or help with the research of a possible cure for their disease, that's why the npc empires are buying the 4 sleeper databases on mass.


Another thing where I might interpret too much into it are indications that the old jove were drastically more advanced in the old time than the other survivors of the eve gate clash. If we look at the chronicles Cold wind and Ametat and Avetat I would say that they are both talking about some ancient race that supported the back then very young civilizations on caldari prime aswell as amarr island. Probably the jove, as they were superior in tech.


In Ametat and Avetat they called themselves sefrim, angels guarding god's throne. The back then known home of jove race has been the "heaven" constellation. Coincidence? Well, guess so.


By the way, has there been any events from the prophecy of macaper already occured?

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.30 06:19:00 - [249]
 

I noticed in one of the sleeper research labs there was mention of neuro-degeneration case studies. I wonder if there is a connection with the Kyonoke virus which attacks and degenerates the brain. The Sansha are playing around in WH space and all of a sudden are making claims to possess the Kyonoke virus, one has to wonder if they got it from the incursion at the pit, or from one of the sleeper or Talocan labs.

It's far too deadly to be anything natural.

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.30 06:25:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
woah, lots of brainstorming around..

okay, I'll toss my bits into here aswell:

Do we agree that the sleeper are really just the drone guardians that were left behind by the talocans? And that the talocans appear to be at least some splinter-group of an old jovian empire?

They want us, or the empires to continue or help with the research of a possible cure for their disease, that's why the npc empires are buying the 4 sleeper databases on mass.


Another thing where I might interpret too much into it are indications that the old jove were drastically more advanced in the old time than the other survivors of the eve gate clash. If we look at the chronicles Cold wind and Ametat and Avetat I would say that they are both talking about some ancient race that supported the back then very young civilizations on caldari prime aswell as amarr island. Probably the jove, as they were superior in tech.


In Ametat and Avetat they called themselves sefrim, angels guarding god's throne. The back then known home of jove race has been the "heaven" constellation. Coincidence? Well, guess so.


By the way, has there been any events from the prophecy of macaper already occured?


I explored the prophecy angle but came up dry.

On the other note I think there are too many differences in sleeper and talocan designs for them to be one and the same. They seem to be two different groups entirely. The Talocan designs do seem a bit older though, or at least have an older feel to them.

Aynen
Posted - 2010.06.30 10:51:00 - [251]
 

I believe it came up a couple of posts ago that Osobynak was quite similar to Chec for "Infected person", and it's also been mentioned that Oruze ment Orignin. Perhaps the combination of the two signifies they either had, or where looking for "Patient zero". The original strain of a decease before it mutated perhaps. If the Jove and the sleepers where one and the same then perhaps they first tried to look for the first Jove to have the Jovian decease. Failing that, they digitized themselves.

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:17:00 - [252]
 

OK, so about all I can see that's concrete is the the Jove and Sleepers are linked and that the Jove left the sleeper space due to some illness.

Can anyone clear up for me whether a) the sleepers (as in their buildings, drones, research) ARE the Jove, or b) whether the Jove just stumbled upon sleeper locations and used it for their own research into their disease.

Once I get that straight in my head, I'll be able to sift through the rest of the information a bit happier Smile

Harima sama
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:24:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Aynen
I believe it came up a couple of posts ago that Osobynak was quite similar to Chec for "Infected person", and it's also been mentioned that Oruze ment Orignin. Perhaps the combination of the two signifies they either had, or where looking for "Patient zero". The original strain of a decease before it mutated perhaps. If the Jove and the sleepers where one and the same then perhaps they first tried to look for the first Jove to have the Jovian decease. Failing that, they digitized themselves.


I like this, Oruze/Origin meaning the origination point of Jovian Disease.

C Blacke
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:35:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Baillif
Edited by: Baillif on 30/06/2010 05:38:24
Edited by: Baillif on 30/06/2010 05:37:11
Well the thing is the Quarantine Zone is not a sleeper construct it is Talocan. It is a group of Talocan Structures that had sleeper drones use one of those dimensional rifts to travel to it.

There are also mentions of Quarantine facilities being used by the sleepers at sleeper constructs such as the Medical Enclave which seems to suggest that whatever sickness was affecting the inhabitants of the wormholes at the time, it was contagious among both the Talocan and Sleepers.

This seems to suggest the Talocan and Sleepers existed in wormhole space with some overlap. The reason I say this is evidence possibly indicating that both groups suffered from a contagion. None of us who have been stomping around in W space have gotten sick yet. This might be because we aren't vulnerable to the disease and it might be because the disease killed off anyone who had it long ago, and died of itself because of a lack of hosts.

It could also be that the medical enclave just had quarantine zones just like any hospital probably would and I am reading way too much into things.

Another thing of note is the apparent damage that seems to have been suffered by talocan and sleeper structures. Although it is clear that out of the two groups the structures that are typically damaged the greatest are the talocan structures. This could have been due to age celestial impacts or war. Their stuff seems built to last, so war of some sort seems to be what happened. The names of the sites pretty blatantly suggest war. Barracks, outposts, strongholds, the wormholes were the battlegrounds for a major conflict.


From what I can see Talconians being at war with the Jove seems to fit with the evidence. They both lived in the same space with some overlap. Jove probably won but not with much. And they got the sleepers as a fighting force.

The Jove affliction might have been biological warfare in a war between Jove and Talconian. I'm not shure about what site have Talconian and whats Jove but with some looking around we might find out if both sides had medical facilites. If only 1 side have it then it might be a bio weapon used to end the war. And if it's the Jove that made it I guess they have them self to blame.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.06.30 13:32:00 - [255]
 

I've always kind of wondered if the Sleepers weren't in fact the Talocan themselves. Not in the sense of the Talocan Empire giving birth to the Sleeper organization, but the Sleeper ships themselves. With theories of the old infected having digitized themselves, it's not too much of a strain to imagine the Awakened, Emergent, etc. being shells for what's left of their minds. Not unlike how our ships are shells for our clones.

Maybe we're actually committing genocide on the remnants of one of the most ancient human civilizations left.

Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Posted - 2010.06.30 15:42:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Miyamoto Uroki on 30/06/2010 16:02:27
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara

The first enclave: the Archive. It has a different numbering system; all the data begins at x.1 instead of x.0.
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Archive Enclave
1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library
3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts
4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate
5.1 Talocan Technology
6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologies (this is the interesting one. It's not what you think. ;)



I think that you are right with the numbers.. one or a few enclaves must be fairly new compared to the others. It's being mentioned in the vitrauze project chronicle:

The enclave in the distance seemed quiet, bereft of life. This one, however, felt young even now. There was such beauty in this timeless design, even though time had claimed them all.

Another hint I get from a description of some oruze structures?:

An enclave positioned at the heart of the construct appears to have been entirely redesigned. It is flanked by two others, which in turn are hedged in by engineering stations that themselves seem to have been redesigned


Alright. If they have newer parts, someone must have reengineered them. To me, there's only two possibilities: the sleeper drones, or jove from outside of WH space, eg the current jove from the known empire.


Now in the oruze description it also says:

The only insight into the unique architecture is the word Oruze Osobnyk, which continually resurfaces throughout the garbled, largely indecipherable transmissions that emanate from within

continually emanates from within the structure? So it's a beacon.. one that says: "infected people in here.. stay out if you don't want to get ill aswell!!"
Looking at the amount of indications in enclave descriptions I agree that the mirror has initially been built by the jove. Is it certain that the sleeper really were humans once? Or jove even?
If so, my guess is that the sleeper were either one of the first jove empires, or maybe the ones that were already infected by the illness and were left behind to die when the jove left the heaven constellation way back in time, when they relocated to their now known space.

What if the infected people didn't want to stay there dying. They knew that they would have to wait for some civilizations to become much more advanced to be able to help them with the search of a cure for their disease. So what do you do in the meantime? You get most of your folks into cryostasis.
There are some hints in the enclave descriptions about stasis and cryogenetic application etc.

btw, the word anoikis also means "...the state of being without a home".

Originally by:
(or the more scienticif, medical explanation: Anoikis is a form of programmed cell death which is induced by anchorage-dependent cells detaching from the surrounding extracellular matrix (ECM).[1] Usually cells stay close to the tissue to which they belong since the communication between proximal cells as well as between cells and ECM provide essential signals for growth or survival. When cells are detached from the ECM, i.e. there is a loss of normal cell-matrix interactions, they may undergo anoikis. However, metastatic tumor cells may escape from anoikis and invade other organs.)



So the sleepers knew they wouldn't be active and around for quite a long time to come. As CCP uhm.. Fallout? ^^ already mentioned in this thread, you need an energy source that's reliable. Looking at the oruze enclave, all the listings have to do with creating energy from the sun. Probably lots of energy so you pick very hot suns, like someone else in this thread already mentioned.

Oh, as a sidenote: in k-space where the explosions opened the initial rifts to wh-space, all of these known explosions occured in systems with Type-O suns, which are known to be the hottest suns out there, meaning the biggest energy source. Coincidence?


As can be read in the anoikis chronicle, the jove seem to be searching for assistance in search of a cure for their brothers who are still sleeping inside the enclaves?

Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Posted - 2010.06.30 16:07:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: Miyamoto Uroki on 30/06/2010 17:28:28
While looking at the medical explanation of the word anoikis: I'm fairly certain now that this means that the enclaves are full of infested people who cut themselves of from the (still healthy) rest of the jove empire. They went into exile to not risk any further spread of the disease.

as a sidenote: who says the sleeper drones are only there to defend the structures? What if they are also there to prevent the ones inside the structure to flee? Like prison guards... But that's just a quick thought..

Now someone, maybe the known joves, has set in motion a plan to guide us into the wormholes and assist in finding a cure for their sleeping brothers.


So they want the empires to do research for them, but they try to keep them outside of WH space, as the conversation between that ambessador and the unknown female indicates. So they adapt their wisdom into these scientific commodities which we can sell in k-space npc stations and remove all indications that it is of jove origin?


The ambassador could be a jove ambassador, as he mentioned "Our space is effected aswell", but then there are indications of feelings, and afaik Jove don't have feelings any more? Or is that only when they are ill?

The unknown female could be Jamyl Sarum or some high position at the sisters of eve. Whoever they are, they are roaming wh-space unseen and now that eventually they cannot put up a fight against us capsuleers. So are they speaking for the sleeper drones, or the jove who act hidden and haven't been seen by us yet?



So the above paragraph is pretty vague. I still cannot say what or who exactly the sleeper drones are. imho I tend to look at them as really advanced drones, nothing more. I doubt that there are jove inside the sleeper ships we shoot down. There simply aren't enough jove alive to be shot down so numerous. So the sleeper drones are either remote controlled from inside the enclave, or they are simply so advanced drones that they have become a new race by it's own.


So what's going on in these mirrors? What has Lianda Burreau, astrophysicist of creoDron, been doing in the enclave? And when has she been there before, as mentioned in the chronicle?
Where is the connection from her to Hilen Tukoss, Program Director at the Otosela Neuropsychology Center?

Hilen seems to be trained by a well known jove, only mentioned as "Cold Wind", the same that already is mentioned to having guided the early caldari tribes.
It seems that Lianda is using some sort of Virtual Reality Communications device, some advanced form of interstellar communication to communicate directly with someone else's mind? How was she able to talk to Hilen face to face while being in the enclave?

And is Hilen, despite being a deteis, aswell infected by the jove disease? His reactions in his VR environment points towards something like that, with the river tearing away all the fallen leaves etc..

Do these two carry the cure for the disease in them? Is the "line" that communications network, the network that the ambassador is certain the capsuleers will control one day? That ambassador seems to want Lianda to use the "line", but it seems a bit lethal to do so, if she almost directly is waking up in her clone at CreoDron HQ just after speaking to Hilen through the enclave.

And what is the connection to ishukone? What previous experiences do they have in this affair? The only, very vague connection I can come up with it that otro gariushi seemed to be able to control a rogue drone hive when hiding his vitoc replacement. But I doubt that this has something to do with it.


Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.. and so many questions ^^

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.06.30 17:22:00 - [258]
 

C Blacke, where do you see evidence of Jovian actions in wormhole space?

Ivvor
Posted - 2010.06.30 22:51:00 - [259]
 

I've been thinking about the reference to W-space as Anoikis. Perhaps the name does not refer to the condition of the Sleepers themselves, but rather to the actual star systems and how they are connected to each other and the universe around them. After all, we still have no idea where those star systems actually are, or perhaps were.

It seems odd that the Sleepers would spread themselves over several thousand star systems and then rely on chaotic, semi-random wormholes to get around. They would have had stargate technology, so why the wormholes? We know from recent events that those wormholes can be controlled, so why are the ones in Anoikis in such a mess? Was is always like that, or is that just part of what went wrong there?

Another possibility is that the Anoikis wormholes were all static until recently and the sequence that caused wormholes to start appearing all over K-space also had the effect of destabilising all wormholes in Anoikis and breaking the Sleeper data network in such as way as to leave all the enclaves reduced to operating in an apparent standby state. Some of the Sleeper sites do after all have the appearance of having been recently damaged.

The Sleeper drones seem to be there as much for maintenance reasons as any other so perhaps the reason they are so keen to attack us is because they believe we caused the damage that has recently disrupted their vast, but delicate data network.

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.07.01 00:16:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
I've been thinking about the reference to W-space as Anoikis. Perhaps the name does not refer to the condition of the Sleepers themselves, but rather to the actual star systems and how they are connected to each other and the universe around them. After all, we still have no idea where those star systems actually are, or perhaps were.



I think you are right about the state of the star systems, but I believe that it ties in with the Sleepers themselves. Dropbear dropped a strong hint when he linked the research on C3-FTM fullerines being able to stop neurological anoikis and the neural degeneration it would cause. Is this possibly related to the sickness that caused the quarantine? Only Dropbear knows for sure and he's probably not telling.

Aynen
Posted - 2010.07.01 05:17:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: Aynen on 01/07/2010 05:17:52
Originally by: Baillif
I think you are right about the state of the star systems, but I believe that it ties in with the Sleepers themselves. Dropbear dropped a strong hint when he linked the research on C3-FTM fullerines being able to stop neurological anoikis and the neural degeneration it would cause. Is this possibly related to the sickness that caused the quarantine? Only Dropbear knows for sure and he's probably not telling.
If you stop telling cells to die, doesn't it, when controlled, create a measure of immortality? And what if you needed the brain to keep existing but where not interested in the rest of the body? I mean nobody said nothing was left of the people who digitized themselves.

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.01 10:21:00 - [262]
 

I stumbled into this thread at random, read it, mind blown.

Of all hints dropped by Dropbear (heh), I keep going back to the C3-FTM acid and the medical article he linked. Someone earlier in the thread mentionned that one of the old empires might have been researching cryogenics for a long trip "back home". Could it be more than a coincidence that the C3-FTM is meant to protect one from anoikis which, according to wikipedia means without a home?

I don't know how it could link up to the more recent theories brought in by people in this thread and I'm not knowledgeable about the EVE lore to try and fit it in somewhere but I couldn't help but find this striking...

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.07.01 17:23:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Baillif
C Blacke, where do you see evidence of Jovian actions in wormhole space?


There's this:

Originally by: Oruze Osobynk



The mysterious structure inside this deadspace pocket offers few clues as to the purpose it once served. Similar compounds -- albeit far less complex than this one -- have been reported, each featuring the same huddled architecture, evocative of the enigmatic Phantom cruiser. What relation the Oruze structures may have to one another remains a mystery. An enclave positioned at the heart of the construct appears to have been entirely redesigned. It is flanked by two others, which in turn are hedged in by engineering stations that themselves seem to have been redesigned. The only insight into the unique architecture is the word Oruze Osobnyk, which continually resurfaces throughout the garbled, largely indecipherable transmissions that emanate from within.



CCP didn't mention a Jovian cruiser for nothing.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.01 18:26:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
They would have had stargate technology, so why the wormholes?


Some Talocan structures in w-space indeed are stargatesm according to the info sheet. Or more likely WERE stargates...

Demeck
Posted - 2010.07.01 18:59:00 - [265]
 

im betting unknown parts of space are in fact from our universe and sleepers were the tools created by man..after the eve gate collapsed the resources dried up and perhaps over the remaining time of earth the drones found sentience and killed there masters..:p


Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.07.02 01:42:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: DmD666
Originally by: Baillif
C Blacke, where do you see evidence of Jovian actions in wormhole space?


There's this:

Originally by: Oruze Osobynk



The mysterious structure inside this deadspace pocket offers few clues as to the purpose it once served. Similar compounds -- albeit far less complex than this one -- have been reported, each featuring the same huddled architecture, evocative of the enigmatic Phantom cruiser. What relation the Oruze structures may have to one another remains a mystery. An enclave positioned at the heart of the construct appears to have been entirely redesigned. It is flanked by two others, which in turn are hedged in by engineering stations that themselves seem to have been redesigned. The only insight into the unique architecture is the word Oruze Osobnyk, which continually resurfaces throughout the garbled, largely indecipherable transmissions that emanate from within.



CCP didn't mention a Jovian cruiser for nothing.


Thanks. Good eye

Jahmakaan
Posted - 2010.07.02 06:05:00 - [267]
 

Batter up I'm throwing one out there. Perhaps this infection isn't a bad thing. Jove one, Talocan might well have gone interdementional, still here but beyond our mere reach. The sleeper? imagine what rouge drone's might accomplish with thousands of years of access to redundant technology so much superior to ours. Maybe the also inhabit those odd stations out there little nano carbon life forms do there daily thing.



Ivvor
Posted - 2010.07.02 13:07:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Originally by: Ivvor
They would have had stargate technology, so why the wormholes?


Some Talocan structures in w-space indeed are stargatesm according to the info sheet. Or more likely WERE stargates...


If you are referring to the static gates at the Quarantine Areas in Class 5 systems then I got the impression they were only meant for in-system travel, rather like an acceleration gate.

On a related note I got the impression the Quarantine Areas are quite important. The info sheet for each part of the Talocan facility seemed to suggest people were being quarantined and then being processed in some possibly sinister fashion.

Some have suggested the Sleeper enclaves hold the remains of digitised humans. Perhaps these Talocan facilities were where this digitisation process began as a means of dealing with the infected.

I recently spent some time roaming through W-space in a covert-ops frigate, looking for clues and trying to investigate some of the sites others have mentioned. I was disappointed to discover I could not get the extra pop-ups others have seen while I was cloaked or in my pod. I'm not sure how much a lone wanderer can do to unravel the Sleeper mystery if a sizeable fleet is required to clear out the Sleeper drones first.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.02 17:14:00 - [269]
 

What do you suppose are the implications of Sleeper Drones not having shields? This would leave them unaffected by Jamyl's superweapon as far as we can tell.
Do you think Jovian ships also fly without shields, or can quickly disable them with the armor to sustain them?

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.07.02 18:51:00 - [270]
 

Edited by: DmD666 on 02/07/2010 18:53:32
Originally by: Borza Slavak
What do you suppose are the implications of Sleeper Drones not having shields? This would leave them unaffected by Jamyl's superweapon as far as we can tell.
Do you think Jovian ships also fly without shields, or can quickly disable them with the armor to sustain them?


One of the sleeper salvage items mentions the ability to easily reconfigure for a shield-based defense. Every sleeper drone we've seen is configured for armor, however.

edit: Found it - defensive control node: "The Sleeper defensive systems were so modular that, even though this particular node was designed to coordinate armor-repairing nanoassemblers, it could just as easily be reconfigured for shield defense."


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