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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:24:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: rowbin hod
I would say that it's definitely time for Dropbear topop in on this thread again ;) if not to tell us what to look for, at least point out the trees which we shouldn't be barking up...


Agreed and fair enough. I will spam you all over the weekend. YARRRR!!


Will this spam have something to do with the Jove base of operations for the Sansha? Wink

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.06.26 10:43:00 - [212]
 

Odd, I've been obsessed with discovering the secret behind the rogue drones for almost as long as I've been plying EVE. I didn't even imagine that there was a connection to the Sleepers, now I have a **** ton to read, and a few skills to train.

Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.26 11:25:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Maybe the Seyllin event blew away a number of stars that the Sleepers were depending on for power. Maybe that's why they're waking up. A mirror could be a part of some kind of radiation collection dish, and there are multiple...

Perhaps the mirrors are part of a very large highly advanced version of a modern satellite dish, in that they reflect solar radiation to a point where it is focused then channeled. A bit of an extension on the Dyson sphere theory.

I've thought a bit more about my theories regarding the Sleepers and their origins from a few days ago, and have decided on the most plausible theory - to me, anyway, your mileage may vary - and I would like to share it now.

The Sleepers were contemporaries with the Jovians, in their first or second empire. I now think it's the first, but that's more of a hunch than based in evidence. They may have been friendly, or they may have been hostile, but either way there was shared technology between the two, which in turn would have accelerated the technological advancement of both empires (this is what makes me think it was the first empire, as it would have given the Jovians a very strong foothold to build on and become the technological superpower that they are today).

Eventually, differences led to outright war, forcing either the Sleepers to retreat into what we call w-space, or the Jovians outright banishing them and sealing them off. Dropbear letting slip that w-space is called Anoikis, which describes the death of a cell that is separated from the host, leads me to believe that it was a sudden departure, and one that was most likely not planned on by the Sleeper leadership. Over time, this separation from vital resources in k-space caused the Sleepers to be forced into hibernation - hence the name - but they left behind a failsafe, that would allow them to return to k-space when the time was right: Isogen-5. Somehow, the physical characteristics of Isogen-5 are enough to tear holes in space when large enough quantities are detonated, and the chronicle regarding the Seyllin Event shows that this was certainly not accidental.

They've started waking up now that we - capsuleers and empire pilots alike - have begun disturbing their territory, but they haven't quite reached full alertness. This would explain why we can put down POSes in Sleeper space without any repercussions. This period of drowsiness won't last forever, though, and if I'm right, then we will need to be ready for when they really wake up again.

It's also entirely possible, however, that the Sleepers left a number of their agents in empire space to further their goals - remember that the Sleepers apparently prize information almost as much as the Jovians. I have seen little evidence of this, but it is still a possibility worth considering, and would click with the theory others have had that the Sleepers are responsible for the creation of Rogue Drones.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.06.26 12:32:00 - [214]
 

Just to mention my thoughts connected to...
"The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it."
...form Anoikis chronicle, coz ive seen some comments regarding this line inhere.

I beleve that it will be, and allready it is,possible to comand the wh network to some degree.

Wh-s are all but random...
Ive been living a year and a half in w-space now.
And ive noticed that for instance our static wh opens to same parts of k-space, even nearly as acurate as in the same system where it opened in its last "cycle" ...

For example we will have a lots of exits to one part of space in several different neighbouring regions and after a deffinite number of exits to that part of space we always have two exits to other part of space in asme region in a row, a few systems apart.
So probably my wh-system has a list of systems in which it has exits in k-space, and it cycles through that list in its "cycle" of spawnings every day that lasts probably for a set amount of time, like a month or so, and when it finishes it goes from the begening of that list.

So in theory if you monitor carefully your exits (something at whitch i am working now) you could predict your next exit from your system.
Also i noticed same consistency in connections to other wh-space systems.

Another thing is that there are not only wh-system specific static wormholes but also constellation statics, for example our system has a constellation class 5 static (so not K162 but a outgoing wh) about once a month.

Also there is abillity to collapse a wh and in that way move up one place in a quee where it has to open next.

And also there are the means to not open outgoing wormholes for a needed amount of time.

So i think thats allready high degree of commanding wormhole network that we have at our disposal.
We dont fully understand the network and dont fully command it probably...yet.
But i bet that in a year or so wh-s will be far more predictable and more command-able.

Genki SG
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.06.26 21:07:00 - [215]
 

Well, since this seems to be the most active thread about the sleepers
and all the conspiracies around them i thought i'd throw my theory out here too.

So, the latest news of the sansha fleet in jove space at a jove station made me think.
And since evil plans are always sheer elegance in their simplicity, i thought it all
had to be simple, so simple that we simply overlooked it or dismissed it as to simple.

I think there is a threat to new eden, my guess in the form of the sleepers, but how i'm not sure,
and the jove know about it, but they don't think the 4 empires or even the capsuleers
can handle it because they are not united and therefore weak.
Sanshas nation on the other hand is very united, but lacks manpower, so the jove
enabled them to bolster their ranks in order to take on this threat.

Well, this would explain the sansha attacks, but i sadly can't think of an elegant and
simple way to explain the threat because i can't figure out wheather the sleepers
are the cause or just a side effect of the event that the jove are preparing the
nation for.

What do you guys think?
@CCP Dropbear: hot, warm, cold or ice? Rolling Eyes

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.26 21:23:00 - [216]
 

Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 26/06/2010 21:24:33
There has been a connection between the Jove and the Nation from the beginning, so the two are certainly connected. But I doubt the Jove would ever explicitly support the Nation against the other Empires. After all, they do work closely together with the other Empires through Concord, and the Nation goes directly against Concord and the Empires.

That doesn't mean the Jove and the Nation are entirely unrelated. Certainly not. If it suits the Jove, and the Nation can supply what they need, the Jove will certainly deal with them.

My feeling is that the Jove are also not in a position to fully control the Nation (anymore) and although not actively, and certainly not openly supporting them, try to be out of the way when and where they are, while still keeping some conversation going to profit where they can.

I don't see the direct connection with the Sleepers yet either. The Nation does use the wormholes as a means to strike where they want to, and they do seem to have greater understanding of w-space that the capsuleers currently do. But I've not yet seen evidence that this is derived from the Sleepers, and it can still be from some deal with the Jove instead.

Assuming there is a threat from the Sleepers, the Nation would be threatened as well, but the most immediate threat the Nation poses to are the Empires, whose slaves they need primarily. But to assume now that the Jove have helped the Nation to rise primarily to counter an assumed threat from the Sleepers maybe one step to far just yet. I for one don't see the evidence for such double-dealing from the Jove, even though they are no doubt capable of it.

Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.26 23:24:00 - [217]
 

Time for more theorycrafting!

Originally by: Genki SG
Well, since this seems to be the most active thread about the sleepers
and all the conspiracies around them i thought i'd throw my theory out here too.

So, the latest news of the sansha fleet in jove space at a jove station made me think.
And since evil plans are always sheer elegance in their simplicity, i thought it all
had to be simple, so simple that we simply overlooked it or dismissed it as to simple.

I think there is a threat to new eden, my guess in the form of the sleepers, but how i'm not sure,
and the jove know about it, but they don't think the 4 empires or even the capsuleers
can handle it because they are not united and therefore weak.
Sanshas nation on the other hand is very united, but lacks manpower, so the jove
enabled them to bolster their ranks in order to take on this threat.

Well, this would explain the sansha attacks, but i sadly can't think of an elegant and
simple way to explain the threat because i can't figure out wheather the sleepers
are the cause or just a side effect of the event that the jove are preparing the
nation for.

What do you guys think?
@CCP Dropbear: hot, warm, cold or ice? Rolling Eyes

You know that old saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"? In fact there's a character in another game who explains this sentiment quite well:

"It is conflict that strengthens us, isolation that weakens us, erodes us."

Perhaps the Jovians see a great threat in the future of New Eden, and have sicked Sansha on the empires to make them stronger, bring them together to a united front.

Because honestly, in our current state, everyone hates everyone else and it's basically constant war. There's no unity, no cohesion, and if a hostile force assaulted New Eden, then we'd all be quite stuffed.

If however, everyone was working together...

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.06.27 04:06:00 - [218]
 

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Year_YC105#August

People have pointed out that it might not even be the Jovians aiding the Nation in an official capacity, but splinter groups instead, like Ouria.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.06.27 09:35:00 - [219]
 

Or they may have taken a Jove station, and it will turn out the Jove are in more trouble then the other empires realized. Perhaps the Jove disease is more serious then has been let out.

Genki SG
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.06.27 11:59:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Genki SG on 27/06/2010 12:04:45
Edited by: Genki SG on 27/06/2010 12:04:23
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Or they may have taken a Jove station, and it will turn out the Jove are in more trouble then the other empires realized. Perhaps the Jove disease is more serious then has been let out.


considering the posts of kuvakai and other sansha in the intergalactic summit forum, i tend to agree with you;
which kinda destroys my argument with the jove helping sansha - dammit!

on a sidenote dropbear and other devs involved in this storyline are probably going crazy on how we are not able to see the whole picture.
i'm still guessing that it's so obvious and simple -> we can't see the wood for the trees

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.27 13:52:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Nishachara
"The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it."
...form Anoikis chronicle, coz ive seen some comments regarding this line inhere.


It was my comment.

And you just proved that my intuitions had some merit. Direct control of the wormholes (where they pop, where they lead, when they do that...) is not realistic.

But patterns and some predictability are indeed possible.

Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.06.27 18:12:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Geldar Wroontik

Because honestly, in our current state, everyone hates everyone else and it's basically constant war. There's no unity, no cohesion, and if a hostile force assaulted New Eden, then we'd all be quite stuffed.

If however, everyone was working together...


This is unlikely to happen unless Sansha starts bringing and anchoring SBUs in Null. Or some other threat that directly provokes the Null Alliances into action; A Live Event is still not PvP. I don't expect either of these to happen, but you never know.

I had asked if CCP looked at Cyan's attempts at this (through their ARG - now on its 3rd launch attempt), and if they learned anything for their own re-try. Still awaiting a reply, though I see hints that the answer is yes.

Should be interesting times ahead.

Elaine Shandrate
Posted - 2010.06.27 18:43:00 - [223]
 

From the first reply:
Originally by: CCP Dropbear

The longer answer is that returning the focus to Sleepers after the first time (COSMOS) allowed us to continue developing a plotline that is as old as EVE itself.


I have been reading the thread now for several days, but still i might have missed something. I know people assume Talocan/Sleepers are associated with Takmahl/Yan Jung stuff based on time line only, but how does it relate to the Eve background stories / COSMOS related stuff? Is there anything Sleeper related to be found in sites like the Arcane Museum? Has anyone been looking at that anyway?

Sun'Tzu Yin
Gallente
Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium
Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
Posted - 2010.06.27 21:04:00 - [224]
 

Cosmos Sleeper tech would be found in the Minmatar Cosmos constellation.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.06.28 06:57:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 28/06/2010 06:58:03
Originally by: Genki SG
Edited by: Genki SG on 27/06/2010 12:04:45
Edited by: Genki SG on 27/06/2010 12:04:23
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Or they may have taken a Jove station, and it will turn out the Jove are in more trouble then the other empires realized. Perhaps the Jove disease is more serious then has been let out.


considering the posts of kuvakai and other sansha in the intergalactic summit forum, i tend to agree with you;
which kinda destroys my argument with the jove helping sansha - dammit!

on a sidenote dropbear and other devs involved in this storyline are probably going crazy on how we are not able to see the whole picture.
i'm still guessing that it's so obvious and simple -> we can't see the wood for the trees


It also explains why they started handing out technology, oh so many years ago, like candy. Much like the Asgard in Stargate, they are going extinct, they know it, and they are trying to get us ready for the big "threat", because they know they won't be there to help. Sansha's boys are just there to quicken the demise, so they can glut themselves on the scrap.

Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Project Daedalid
Posted - 2010.06.28 12:03:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 00:57:56

Raj Matheo
Posted - 2010.06.28 13:23:00 - [227]
 

Something CCPDropbear said has bugged me for ages, his comment on Etymology. Otruzje Osobynak. Many have described Ortuze as weapons I would like to add "Weapon
or tool used to increase ones power or range" osoby naka Czech translation "infected persons".
This is doing my head in and i love you guys for it.

Marus Orochi
Posted - 2010.06.28 13:24:00 - [228]
 

So, I didn't read through the whole topic 'yet'. But I did note enough that this has not been brought up yet.
I see alot of mention of CreoDron but not this.

Sleeper components, Notably the "Ancient Coordinates database" Contain this phrase:

Although this device could hold incredibly valuable information, there would only be a handful of people in the entire cluster that could make any sense of it. Finding a buyer may not be that easy.

Anyone notice Most "If not ALL" of the NPC buy orders are in CreoDron stations?
Very Happy


Genki SG
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.06.28 15:02:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Genki SG on 28/06/2010 15:02:31
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
lots and lots of interesting stuff

Ok, lets say the jove are the sleepers this leaves, as you said the empire question.
Well, if you believe the wiki entry on the jove this question is solved: Jovians are the 2. empire.

This leaves the possibility of the sleepers being a part of the original jove, the 1. empire so to speak.
Combining that with the genetic research at the sleeper sites makes these something that the jove
must be very interested in:
A possible cure for the jovian disease in the form of their original DNA

But this also makes me wonder why they wouldn't be all over the place to keep any information about the sleepers and their technology a secret, considering that it would weaken them. They lack numbers but have a technological superiority to keep the other empires and the capsuleers at bay.
Levelling the technological capabilities would leave them only the option to increase their numbers rapidly or be overrun.
Also in light of the Anoikis, wouldn't that mean the jove are the "cancer"?

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.06.28 15:30:00 - [230]
 

Turns out you guys didn't need me to spam you after all. Smile

Jahmakaan
Posted - 2010.06.28 15:44:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: Jahmakaan on 28/06/2010 15:54:51
The Jove need us. We must provide the link between them and the sleeper research. The Jove gave us their pods because they have a greater safer way. They control sleeper ships as a pod pilot only from the safety of the Jove enclave. Remote control as you will. Trapped "in a state of being without a home"
Perhaps the Jove are controlling the sleepers in their research of the Talocan looking for the genetic cure.

Darranibal Colpia
Caldari
Acute Damage
Posted - 2010.06.28 15:54:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Turns out you guys didn't need me to spam you after all. Smile


So does this mean Nikilaiki wins EVE? lol

Time to start building an anti-jove tank. :P

Genki SG
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.06.28 16:57:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Jahmakaan
Edited by: Jahmakaan on 28/06/2010 15:54:51
The Jove need us. We must provide the link between them and the sleeper research. The Jove gave us their pods because they have a greater safer way. They control sleeper ships as a pod pilot only from the safety of the Jove enclave. Remote control as you will. Trapped "in a state of being without a home"
Perhaps the Jove are controlling the sleepers in their research of the Talocan looking for the genetic cure.

You are contradicting yourself... if the jove control the sleeper drones and they need us then why would they order the drones to attack us?

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Turns out you guys didn't need me to spam you after all. Smile

And there i was checking the boards every few hours for a post from you Evil or Very Mad
So what happend? Something like this?
CCP Dropbear: Hmm... i should post on the forums
*phone rings*
Voice on phone: Yo Dropbear, it's friday and we're going out for a few beers... you commin?
... *monday*
CCP Dropbear: ....oh! Totally forgot about the forum spamming.
Laughing

Terokone
Posted - 2010.06.28 17:15:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Turns out you guys didn't need me to spam you after all. Smile

All those little hints, and I ignored most of them... It all fits. Let's see if I can piece most of it/all of it together. C3-FTM Acid is necessary in capsule technology, which the Jove gave the empires. The Ejected Sleeper Databank mentions the Jove, suggesting they "abandoned" their research in emergent systems, but instilled it into the sleeper drones to protect their structures with an advanced defense system beyond the fullerene-based armor defenses in case anyone came along.

The solar engineering was used to create technology which would harvest background and solar radiation from stellar masses of intense energy, such as magnetars, blackholes, wolf-rayets, supergiants, and pulsars, and be a 100% reliable form of energy when someone was not "around, so to speak". Not around, as in relocated their entire race. The move from Stain to another region was not the first time the Jove picked up their entire race and moved, it seems. This could be where the Talocan come into play: they were a migrant race, very well experienced in moving their entire race. Talocan technology appears to be far less durable than Jovian technology.
By leaving their research in the darkness of space with a guaranteed source of energy, and extremely durable structures, the Jove would ensure their legacy would never be tampered with, so they could access it later, if need be.

The large scale Isogen-5 explosions that rocked the cluster allowed tears to form in space, giving capsuleer access to sleeper technology, access the Jove apparently already had. Through this, I can only assume we will possibly find a way to Jove space (yes, I know it's assumed CCP territory, but they do have their own region already). The Sansha are in Jove territory now, which could show that eventually we'll figure out how to go there as well.

"The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it." My corp and I are just now starting to collect connecting wormhole info, trying to determine a pattern for that specific wormhole. It appears that the majority of our lowsec exit wormholes lead to Black Rise. Given enough time, we should be able to accurately predict where/when the wormholes will form.

The archives... are telling, yet I ignored them to a point. I'll have to organize these:
Archive Enclave
Theories of the Eve Gate - The Jove are highly interested in the Eve gate.
Talocan Technology - Studying Talocan technology, again, a migrant race, to move the entire surviving Jove race.

Communications Enclave
Nikilaiki already posted the items of interest.

Medical Enclave
All stuff to quarantine those Jovians with a disease. Perhaps tampering with their genetics allowed an extremely virulent disease to hit them until they could repair it.

Oruze Enclave
The only enclave to contain a word we didn't already know the meaning to. Life/living/sustaining/origin enclave, perhaps? Dedicated to sustaining their old legacy/research. I know, Oruze Osobnyk etymology is already discussed.

Research Enclaves
Again, Nikilaiki mentions it all.

Security Enclave
The Jove have bugs and information collection devices throughout empire space. Need I say more? And the AI Perpetuation Tech could signify sleeper drone defenses. New drones are constantly built and repaired, perpetuating the "species" as it were.

Now, I had an idea that I wanted to test, but couldn't because I can't fly a black ops ship for another 54 days. Why a black ops ship? Because that's the only sub-capital with a jump drive, and it's mentioned in the wormhole chronicles.
I was thinking, what if someone loads up a black ops ship with a bunch of sleeper libraries and goes to a structure: say, the Mirror (something I don't have access to in a C3), or something of the like, and tries to use the jump drive? If by some random chance this is required, will it get us to Jove space somehow?

Elaine Shandrate
Posted - 2010.06.28 17:37:00 - [235]
 

Could it be then that Sansha knew about this, and somehow caused the Isogen-5 explosions, to get access to WH- and Jovian space? Defeated the Jovians with their own technologies?

Could it be the Jovians are "gone" ?

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.28 17:50:00 - [236]
 

Nikilaiki, your awesome, and I have told you this many times but I will continue to say it. ♥♥♥

Aynen
Posted - 2010.06.28 17:53:00 - [237]
 

Problem I have with all these theories is that it becomes hard to tell which theories belong in the 'correct' category, and which in the 'incorrect'. Also, the 'accepted' theories are by now so numerous and have changed so often that I just can't see the forrest for the trees anymore.
Anyone else have this problem or is it just me?

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.28 18:03:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Elaine Shandrate
Could it be then that Sansha knew about this, and somehow caused the Isogen-5 explosions, to get access to WH- and Jovian space? Defeated the Jovians with their own technologies?

I wouldn't liberally mix Sansha/Jove current affairs with Jove/Sleepers events of one year and half ago. Besides involving the same race, let's remember that the Isogen-5 incident was more related to Blood Raiders than Sansha Nation.
Quote:
Could it be the Jovians are "gone" ?

Well...

...How long they've been silent? I didn't hear (= read) from them since a very long time.

*A droplet of ice cold sweat runs down Kat's spine*

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.28 18:33:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Originally by: Elaine Shandrate
Could it be then that Sansha knew about this, and somehow caused the Isogen-5 explosions, to get access to WH- and Jovian space? Defeated the Jovians with their own technologies?

I wouldn't liberally mix Sansha/Jove current affairs with Jove/Sleepers events of one year and half ago. Besides involving the same race, let's remember that the Isogen-5 incident was more related to Blood Raiders than Sansha Nation.
Quote:
Could it be the Jovians are "gone" ?

Well...

...How long they've been silent? I didn't hear (= read) from them since a very long time.

*A droplet of ice cold sweat runs down Kat's spine*

Well the last time we heard of them was during the Empyrian age, more precisely at the end of the novel where an eidolon tries to make it through the eve gate but fails irc.

Elaine Shandrate
Posted - 2010.06.28 19:38:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Elaine Shandrate on 28/06/2010 22:57:56
Edited by: Elaine Shandrate on 28/06/2010 19:50:41
Originally by: Katrina Bekers

I wouldn't liberally mix Sansha/Jove current affairs with Jove/Sleepers events of one year and half ago. Besides involving the same race, let's remember that the Isogen-5 incident was more related to Blood Raiders than Sansha Nation.


It's not just liberal mixing, it would be possible. Sansha wouldn't just invade and conquer Jove space in one day. And as for how the incident happened, i can't recall to be honest which faction was involved. If it were the Blood Raiders or Sansha drones. Anyhow, that was just one explosion, is it written / stated somewhere how the others went off? Was it a cascading effect somehow?


Originally by: Katrina Bekers

Well...

...How long they've been silent? I didn't hear (= read) from them since a very long time.

*A droplet of ice cold sweat runs down Kat's spine*


The last thing i recall is one of them approaching the Eve wormhole, as stated above. Before that there has not been too much news about Joves anyway.

Anyway, the timeline as i understand it now, tell me if i'm wrong:
1. There once was a Jovian empire, they did engineering on themselves, enhancing their emotional state etc. This was the first Jove empire. (Or the Takmahl?)
2. At a certain moment, the over-engineered, and they created the Jove disease, at which point they created sites like the Mirror, where they started to look for a cure. Meanwhile the diseased were quarantined, because they might infect others with their depression? This was in the "Shrouded Days"?
3. The Jove started to build these everlasting sites, powered by solar power, to keep their research alive. They also started collecting Isogen-5, while closing off WH-space somehow? And of course created the Sleepers, the drones.
4. The Talocan, a migrating race, came along. The Jove learned from them, started migrating also.
5. They kept some backdoors open to WH-space from their space.
6. The Jove / Amarr conflict happened, and Jove sealed themselves in.
6.1 The Jove give out the pod technology, an attempt to get pilots discovering a cure for the Jove disease.
7. Seylinn / Isogen-5 explosions are happening. The Blood Raidersare descending from Takmahl, do they know more? Was it Sansha who did something?
8. WH's are opening everywhere
9. Sansha attacks from Jove space. Did they invade Jove space through WH's? Did they conquer the Joves? Did the Joves help them?

-edit- Added 6.1, i almost forgot that one...


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