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Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr
Sins Of Lost Souls
Einherjar Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.20 00:09:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 20/06/2010 00:10:00
There is something that I think most of you are missing. I have read all the posts here and have noticed that not a single one of you has mentioned the strategic cruisers that are only a "small" portion of the technology we have managed to impliment on our ships.

Why is it that the merging between the pilot and ship is so complete? No other ship causes you to lose a large portion of your memories and skills if it is blown up with you in it, unless you count pod death with an inadequete clone.

Why is it that strategic cruisers seem to react more strongly in WH space? I don't know if anyone has noticed but certain areas of WH space can be done with a few strategic cruisers that would take a much larger conventional force to do. That and well...I don't know about you guys, but when flying around in there for whatever reason they would target the other ships other than my own when roaming the sites. (EDIT: By they I mean the Sleepers)

Meh, I havent been able to play for some time so I may be reading into what occured in the past a bit to strongly...but I think that withing the cruisers lies part of the key..

Whatever happened to the original prototype tech that the 4 submods were "shaved" from... I'm sure the prototype has all the advantages of the 4 submods and more...hmmm

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.20 04:44:00 - [182]
 

Something I have kept coming back to has been the Spectrum Breach, I mean, the Gallenteans are trying to tap into wormhole space, succeed, and in their rush to attempt to exploit the new space, they awaken the sleepers, who proceed to turn their drones against them, and close the gates again.

In K-space, the sleepers go and start collecting Isogen-5 and establishing Hives. When the Seyllin Event goes off, that is the signal for all the sleepers to turn on. It seems very much to me like the Rogue Drones and the sleepers are in fact the same organization. Their task seems to be to protect, to guard, or to isolate something, even if they have to completely destroy the civilizations in New Eden to do it.

There are all sorts of references to the seeming "Vigil" of the sleepers, like everything we see of them are nothing but the guards and defense pickets for something.

It could be the Jovian plague, or it could be something much worse.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.20 05:53:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Something I have kept coming back to has been the Spectrum Breach, I mean, the Gallenteans are trying to tap into wormhole space, succeed, and in their rush to attempt to exploit the new space, they awaken the sleepers, who proceed to turn their drones against them, and close the gates again.

In K-space, the sleepers go and start collecting Isogen-5 and establishing Hives. When the Seyllin Event goes off, that is the signal for all the sleepers to turn on. It seems very much to me like the Rogue Drones and the sleepers are in fact the same organization. Their task seems to be to protect, to guard, or to isolate something, even if they have to completely destroy the civilizations in New Eden to do it.

There are all sorts of references to the seeming "Vigil" of the sleepers, like everything we see of them are nothing but the guards and defense pickets for something.

It could be the Jovian plague, or it could be something much worse.


I've been trying to get a solid irrefutable connection between the drones and the ancient races for a while now, but nobody seems to ever agree with me that they are infact one in the same.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.20 09:21:00 - [184]
 

The reason why I personally am not too enthusiastic about a direct connection between rogue drones and the sleeper drones is because it has been dismissed to various degrees by CCP. Although there is ofcourse similarities (both a drones for one), the differences in operations, ultimate origin, weapon capabilities, etc. are just too great. One of the most important differences to me is the origin of both species of drones. Where rogue drones are drones that have gone bad, reverting to deluded programming and semi-random, virus like behaviour, Sleeper drones were made the way they are with a specific purpose and seem to act in a controlled, purposeful way.

There is an important statistic revealed through PI that I'm currently investigating though. Maybe some of you have some more information on this, having probably spend more time in W-space than I have.

CCP have released statistics on planet types, and I noted the 'special' shattered planet type. These planet types are created by cataclysmic events, such as the ones surrounding the creation of wormhole space. This drew my attention. But it goes on. Apparently there are two shattered planets in W-space. If shattered planets are indeed caused by cataclysmic events, investigating these planets in W-space may give us more information on what may have happened to the Sleepers, or at the least give us some cataclysmic events related to W-space and thus the Sleepers. This could be an important piece of the puzzle we're currently missing. Maybe we've focussed too much on the structures in W-space and have missed out on looking at the planets in W-space.

In thought CCP paid particular attention to these shattered planets, and the fact that some exist in W-space. A clue perhaps?

So, does anyone here have more information on these shattered planets in W-space? Where are they? Have they been explored/surveyed at all? Does anything unusual happen when approaching these planets? Something related to star-system engineering perhaps? If you do have information about these planets, don't hesitate to share it, I would love to have a look at these myself and am willing to pay a reasonable transit fee to access them should this be necessary.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.20 09:29:00 - [185]
 

Myxx said "I've been trying to get a solid irrefutable connection between the drones and the ancient races for a while now, but nobody seems to ever agree with me that they are infact one in the same."
Do you mean the rogue drones? If you do they are not the same. There are some links but rouge drones where built and created in a Gallentean lab when they where messing around with very advance drone AI to build star gates and do other jobs ahead of the Colonization ships for a rapidly-expanding Gallente Federation.

rogue drones date back over 20 years before the first Sleeper drones sightings and wormholes.

"First prototypes were encouraging, but then disaster struck. The drones became unruly, then unmanageable. Some of these were huge - the largest drones ever constructed, these drones were even equipped with warp drives and equipped with the latest advancements in artificial intelligence. These mother drones, as they were called, along with several lesser drones soon managed to spread out, not only within the same system as the research facility that birthed them, but also to other systems. Only later men discovered exactly how - the drones attacked and took over space ships, then used them to jump to other systems, the drones themselves safely hidden within the ship. Needless to say the super-drone research was soon abandoned by the Gallenteans."

"Operation Spectrum Breach was a Federation-funded research project intended to create openings into regions of unexplored space and facilitate the colonization of new worlds for a rapidly-expanding Gallente Federation.

The project was cancelled after the worker drones at the project's main outpost went berserk, killing hundreds."


In reference to the 8 drone regions "New areas of space have been discovered but are under the control of the first self-aware drone, Orphyx, and his Rogue Drone descendants. Will you be one of the brave souls to venture into these untamed systems and help push back the robotic menace?"

http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=30-10-06 you might want to read that. This is Orphyx who escaped from the lab.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Code_Aria_inquiry

There is also a large amount on rouge drones and if I recall correctly Orphyx in EON #002, page 22:
Chronicle: Eighth Plague

I have no doubt Sleepers have messed around with some rogue drone hives. But Rogue drones as a whole where created and manufactured by the Gallante empire. At least the first batch where manufactured by the Gallante.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2010.06.20 09:59:00 - [186]
 

I have been looking at the Kyonoke Pit chronicle and am personally almost convinced that there is no relationship between the Sleeper enigma and the chronicle. It appears to me that what happened to the Sleepers, is fundamentally different to what happened at the Kyonoke Pit.

The Sleeper-remains, for what-ever reason, are widespread and covered in Sleeper drones. while the Kyonoke Pit was an isolated event that was relatively easy to contain/quarantine and where disaster struck suddenly and with disastrous effect.

Someone, or something had time to design, build, and distribute these Sleeper drones, and that someone is probably the Sleepers themselves. If the Kyonoke Pit incident would have happened to the Sleepers you would find many infectious areas in W-space, which we don't. You'd also find areas where the Sleepers would have survived for longer, while the rest of their empire fell (ease of isolation). This we also do not find. You'd also find areas of total and sudden devastation with no life appearing afterwards. This we also do not find. Entry into these areas would also cause sudden and horrible death. Also not found.

It appears like the Sleepers went from empire to gone in a relatively long period of time. Leaving behind many artefacts designed specifically to survive the ravages of time. There was thought and deliberation behind the disappearance of the Sleepers. They had time to pack and prepare, even do research on it for what seems like a extended period of time (building those structures in the way that they did, not to mention use them took time). None of this is consistent with the sudden and devastating effect of a Kyonoke Pit like incident.

In fact, if you try to find a parallel between the actions and ultimate demise (if that's what happened) of the Sleepers in New Eden history, the parallel with the Jove is uncanny.

In my eyes, the Jove are also a dying race, with them suffering from the Jove affliction. The Jove brought it about through genetic engineering, perhaps the Sleepers through their research of virtual reality. Both maybe are/were trying to reverse the effects through intensive research and exploration. Trying to find a cure perhaps. The Jove are still around, but we know their numbers are greatly diminished, with my guess that they are now very few indeed, with a large portion in stasis, waiting for the cure to be found. Which, coincidently, is also the reason why they support the Empires in their research and exploration efforts. Perhaps they are hoping to find the cure with the help of the Empires and the capsuleer community. For the Sleepers there were probably no Empires and no capsuleer community to help them, and maybe at one point they recognised that they could not hold off their blight before their end. So they looked for a way to extend life after their deaths, hence the research in virtual reality and stasis.

Perhaps a similar thing happened to the Talocan, and they too started looking for a cure where the Sleepers left off. Now the Jove are in the same position, and now they too are looking at the Sleeper research for survival. After all, all this has happened before and will happen again!

Perhaps the 'bad thing' that could be released, is the same thing that happened to the Sleepers, then the Talocan, and now the Jove, and that could happen to us as well.

Or it is the other way round, and what happened to the Sleepers was an infection caused by their research into the past. And eventually that infected both the Talocan, and the Jove as well, and is now infecting us as well.

In all of this, it is imperative to find out what exactly happened to the Sleepers, how their empire came to their demise. From that we can derive a lot of guidance for our own. We must look towards the past to divine our future.

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.20 13:32:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: rowbin hod on 20/06/2010 13:47:58
see below post.

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.20 13:48:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: rowbin hod on 20/06/2010 14:26:41
Edited by: rowbin hod on 20/06/2010 13:48:36
Come on guys!

You can tell Dropbear and CCP and aching for us to get this :) They released the chronicle last summer, and no one got it. So they gave us free ships to explore with at Christmas time, and still no one got it! And now this thread is confirmation that Dropbear really really wants us to get this so that things can move on. The latest chronicle is a way of giving us clues and a direction without him just coming out and saying it on the forums.

I think too many paople are looking in the wrong places, such as obscure references in past chronicles. We've been told that the important bits are all in game and that very little of the Sleeper stuff is in as filler, it all adds to the story.

Having read the Anoikis chronicle (very slowly, I find the writing style is not conducive to skim reading ;)) I think the most significant line is:

Quote:
The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it.


I believe the network they refer to is one which controls the wormholes, their locations, the locations of the systems they lead to. I believe in the future we will see developments in living in WH space - the ability to control wormholes, perhaps where they lead. Understanding the enclaves, the Mirror will lead us towards this.

Another idea is that the technology that was beeing developed was stargate technology. First came the wormholes, then controling them, and then using the research to create the stargates we see today, or analogues of them.

In gameplay terms, I think we're looking, at the very least, to the stabilising of Wormholes to make them more permanent, and at the other end of the scale, we're looking at the technology for stargate production.

Thoughts/comments?

EDIT:

OK, a few more ideas. In that chronicle they mention that having a clone is sigificant. As if she went there, knowing she would die, but the fact she had a clone meant it was OK - she could come back and tell them about it? Perhaps this clone is Burreau?

Also, wading through "The Vitrauze Project" (and it really is wading), you get the impression she had been there before, there were memories or something. Not sure what this means.

So maybe we're looking at being able to integrate ourselves with the Enclaves (and jump back into a clone afterwards). Meh, who knows?

EDIT 2:

I think we're meant to be able to interact with the various enclaves. The number in the enclave directory corresponds to some sort of difficulty level, and the Oruze Enclave, with all at "difficulty level" 1.x is where we're meant to start. How we interact with them I do not know. Has anyone tried ejecting from their ship and seeing if you can "board" the enclave? ;)

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.20 14:33:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
Where rogue drones are drones that have gone bad, reverting to deluded programming and semi-random, virus like behaviour, Sleeper drones were made the way they are with a specific purpose and seem to act in a controlled, purposeful way.


Bart,

Did it occur to you that your observation about "semi-randomness" of their behavior is not something you (nor I, for that matter) just don't understand fully?

Maybe they do have a purpose. A controlling hive mind. A pattern unfolding on a scale we still don't recognize and/or underestand.

After all, there were rogue drones, not Sleeper ones, amassing boatloads of Isogen-5 at the command of someone else in "1" (Linkage). And deeply connected with that purpose we witnessed the opening of the w-space. Coincidence? I doubt so.

Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
CCP have released statistics on planet types, and I noted the 'special' shattered planet type.


I also noticed the "shattered" planet type, being a ninth, unexploitable planetary class. And I too noticed there are some shattered planets in w-space. Namely, two of them.

Did you notice there are also six shattered planets in 0.0, one in Jove space, and...

There's one shattered planet in Empire space?

It's all too easy to figure out which is it.

Hint Wink

Yes, they are the destination of one of my next covop trips.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.20 14:40:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: rowbin hod
In gameplay terms, I think we're looking, at the very least, to the stabilising of Wormholes to make them more permanent, and at the other end of the scale, we're looking at the technology for stargate production.

Thoughts/comments?


I am sickeningly persuaded that we cannot "control" wormholes in the sense that we can create them at our will.

But nobody still managed to rip from the back of my head the idea that the WH openings are somehow, somewhat predictable. Thus, to a certain degree controllable. Not with full confidence, maybe, but something more than wild randomness.

There's a pattern, I'm sure. I just don't know how to look for one... Unless I settle a w-space system and start mapping daily the WHs and their destinations. But I don't dwell in w-space. Who does and has any useable data?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.20 15:50:00 - [191]
 

Katrina Bekers said " Unless I settle a w-space system and start mapping daily the WHs and their destinations. But I don't dwell in w-space. Who does and has any useable data?"
I made a map up of sorts. I bookmarked every wormhole and never deleted the wormholes when I lived in wspace. What I fond was I kept running across the same small group of wormholes over and over again instead of cycling though the full range of wormholes each time. But there was no pattern I could spot. We could not predict where a wormhole would open up or what would be no the other side.

Well the one pattern I spotted was wormholes are split into regions and wormholes tend to more often than not link either to other wormholes in the same wormhole region or the same region of k space. One of the wormholes I lived in would more often then not have an exit in the same Amaar region or to the same group of wormholes in wormhole space. But there was no predictable pattern I could spot. Some wormholes systems have static wormholes. Static in that the wormhole will always 100% without fail go to a certain area. For example my C6 home had a static C5 wormhole. Every day without fail there would be one wormhole that lead to a C5 wormhole. There would be a 2nd wormhole that was random ish. When I lived in a C4 it had a static wormhole to a C3.

Gabrialle
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.06.20 18:17:00 - [192]
 

Katrina,
I imagine you've noticed this but I think you should take a close look at PE1-R1 VII. It's the only shattered planet that isn't nearest to its mother star, which is strange considering that to the best of my knowledge the planets were shattered when the isogen-5 deposits caused the stars to blow-out. Which brings me to another point, the star isnt blue, its pink.

Could just be a CCP red herring though.

Runawaypally
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2010.06.20 19:48:00 - [193]
 

I am still on page 1, and let me say. I HATE YOU ALL FOR MAKING THESE POSTS!

My mind is running at 1000x normal speed and ive got 5 windows open with no fewer then 8 tabs in each open on the subject or related theories.

Seriously though, I still hate you all.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.06.20 22:02:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Terokone on 20/06/2010 22:02:28
Originally by: Runawaypally
I am still on page 1, and let me say. I HATE YOU ALL FOR MAKING THESE POSTS!

My mind is running at 1000x normal speed and ive got 5 windows open with no fewer then 8 tabs in each open on the subject or related theories.

Seriously though, I still hate you all.


Haha, I've been there. First started delving into the Sleeper story and I had about as many windows open as well.

Originally by: Katrina Bekers

I am sickeningly persuaded that we cannot "control" wormholes in the sense that we can create them at our will.


Actually, we can "control" wormholes to a point. By that I mean the stargates are capable of creating artificial wormholes. So technically they're created at will. Unless that's been retconned at some point, that information can be found in the scientific articles on interstellar traveling. I wonder, if we could access that technology, if we'll be able to create wormholes at will and travel into wh space at will.

Now I'll post a few things I find interesting.
- There are 10 known shattered planets and 30 wormhole regions.
- The systems with shattered planets do not seem to form any meaningful pattern in the galaxy map, flattened or unflattened. The closest one to New Eden is 35-RKQ. And unless wormhole space is "under" known space or within the empty spaces between known space, the shattered planets in the wormholes are the most distant.
- If, by chance, the wormhole systems are within the known boundaries of the Eve galaxy, they could be clustered around several major landmarks: Ginnungagap, Vapor Sea, Divinity's Edge, Trace Cosmos, and The Cauldron.
- Each of the systems with shattered planets could serve as anchor points to each of the wormhole systems.

The following bit of information interests me greatly:
- All the systems with shattered planets are of type A0 blue small except the Jove system.
- All are of Spectral Class F#, except Jove, where # indicates range between classes (in tenths).
- All are dwarf stars.

Now for the big reveal. Take a look at the stats of these stars. (retrieved from dotlan maps)
Region: R12
System: J164104
Type: A0 Blue Small
Age: 231,861,999 years
Luminosity: 4.246
Radius: 828,500 km
Spectral Class F1 V
Temperature: 7,237.00 K

Region: Great Wildlands
System: SL-YBS
Type: A0 Blue Small
Age: 231,861,999 years
Luminosity: 4.246
Radius: 828,500 km
Spectral Class F1 V
Temperature 7,237.00 K

Shattered Planet Stats Comparison between J164104 and SL-YBS (matching only)
Eccentricity: 0.128
Mass Gas: 7.953e+18 kg
Orbit Period: 10.8 days
Orbit Radius: 0.556 AU
Pressure: Very Low
Temperature: 539.73 K

Now, it could simply be coincidence, but I find it extremely interesting. How many other stars in Eve match perfectly in every attribute? Even further, how many matching stars include first position shattered planet attributes matching perfectly?

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.20 22:22:00 - [195]
 

Terokone, go read the End of the World chronicle series, its the same startype because those systems contained isogen 5 due to that star type, the worlds were destroyed in the March 10th Main Sequence event, the one the flattened Seyllin 1

My personal theory on 'where' wormhole space is, is that its a small pocket universe that somehow overlaps with known space.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.06.20 23:07:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Terokone, go read the End of the World chronicle series, its the same startype because those systems contained isogen 5 due to that star type, the worlds were destroyed in the March 10th Main Sequence event, the one the flattened Seyllin 1

My personal theory on 'where' wormhole space is, is that its a small pocket universe that somehow overlaps with known space.


Yeah, I meant that intrinsically. Most everyone involved in the Sleeper research and exploration know of the A0 stars and Isogen 5 link, so I didn't think it necessary to include it. Although, there are some A0 stars which were not a part of the Seyllin event.

And that, too, is one of my own many theories on where wormhole space is. I have several .rtf files filled with research, and I'm thinking of setting up a personal wiki to keep everything organized. This is all incredibly interesting.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.06.21 01:06:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Terokone
interstellar traveling


that article isnt accurate to how the ingame behaviour and mechanic is. seriously, why do you cite it? its in need of a major explaination, or a retcon.

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.06.21 03:44:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Terokone
interstellar traveling


that article isnt accurate to how the ingame behaviour and mechanic is. seriously, why do you cite it? its in need of a major explaination, or a retcon.


I'm pretty sure all the science articles need to just go away until they stop being blatantly wrong.

Terokone
Posted - 2010.06.21 05:24:00 - [199]
 

Alrighty. I'll ignore those and rethink several of my theories.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.21 06:12:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 21/06/2010 06:12:52
Myxx said " that article isnt accurate to how the ingame behaviour and mechanic is. seriously, why do you cite it? its in need of a major explaination, or a retcon."
I don't think it needs a explanation or retcon just a date sticking on it. Most of the problems in the science articles can be explained away with being very old and out of date technology. As technology has moved on. Like the clones article saying jump clones are not possible. It's not incorrect for when it was wrote.

Your right in that something needs doing. But I would hate to see major changes or to lose it. Just a minor edit to mention technology has improved since it was wrote.

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.06.21 07:05:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: DmD666 on 21/06/2010 07:07:07
Why are sleeper drones hostile to everything except the Zephyrs?

It seems the drones don't care if we fly around in sheets and check them out. Anything approaching a threat is destroyed. Or maybe anything that can be salvaged.. they do all have little mechanical arms on them.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.21 09:37:00 - [202]
 

@Pottsey,

Uhm... You didn't dismiss my obsession for a pattern. On the contrary, you shown me there is indeed some sort of predictability in WH links among w-space systems, next to some more randomness.

I'd keep looking in that direction: some sort of structure, of layout. Of plan, if you wish. That's to follow Dropbear's hint about knowing better when we will really colonize w-space.

@Terokone:

Yes, I noticed the exceptionality of Jove space shattered planet. But being the playground of devs, I tend to dismiss what I know about Jove space, especially in terms of indirect data.

Red herring? I'd call it test bed. Notice that the PE1-R1 has another, distinctive uniqueness: it has every planet type! It's the only system ingame with such a feature, but - you know - it may as well be the place where devs play with TQ planets.

Furthermore, OOC and from a DBA point of view, I think that stars are built on templates, not with a star generator of sorts. That two stars (or any pair of homogeneous object, for that matter) share the same stats suggests me that the devs were hurried to populate the DB, rather than find a way to set every star to unique values.

Geldar Wroontik
Gallente
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.22 12:56:00 - [203]
 

So I've found myself thinking about this thread and its various ideas about the Sleepers. I was looking at Pottsey's info file earlier, and spotted something on the last page that gels with the below quote:

Originally by: Crimson Sanguinius
I'm thinking more and more that all the sleeper tech points to Dyson Spheres which are fed by the radiation of the star at the center (neutron, pulsar, dwarf -maybe even how to harness black hole rad).

Look at the icon for the Oruze Enclave.

My first thought was a Buckyball, based on Fullerene being ubiquitous when it comes to Sleeper technology, and with thermoelectricity mentioned earlier, made me think that perhaps the Sleepers had managed to condense solar radiation, visible and invisible, into Fullerene "batteries" - for lack of a better term - that is then used to produce electricity through a thermoelectric effect.

But then, that could well be a Dyson Sphere around a solar system. In effect, a much larger example of my Fullerene battery idea. This could be the answer to Dropbear's question from earlier in the thread about the best source of energy if you're not going to be around: lots of solar batteries arrayed in such a manner that they collect a good majority of the host star's output.

I've also been pondering a timeline for the Sleepers being active, particularly in relation to the Talocans, the Jovians, and the EVE Gate (and its subsequent collapse). One of the theories I've been bouncing around in my head is that the Sleepers are the remnants of one of the two earlier Jovian empires, but it is a tenuous one and is basically based on two things: 1) the Jovians have ridiculously advanced technology in comparison to the four empires, and 2) at the Security Enclave (I lack a picture for this to link to, but you can find it on the last page in Pottsey's info file) there are two entire sections dedicated to an Interstellar Surveillance Task Force. The Jovians have an insatiable thirst for knowledge, and have been known to spy on the empires.

Another theory I've bounced around a bit is that one of the earlier Jovian empires - my guess would be the second, but I'm not entirely sure since we don't know how old these Sleeper structures are - were contemporaries of the Sleepers, or whatever they were called before they went to sleep. This is based on the Jovians having a definite interest - my gut is telling me it's beyond scientific - in what is inside these wormhole systems, and again, the absurd levels of technology apparent in these Sleeper complexes. I could see it as possible that the Sleepers and the Jovians didn't get along, and it led to a war, which hastened the collapse of both empires. This is, however, merely a theory, and not as informed a theory as I would like; I have had some difficulty finding Jovian lore relating to this time period, but if someone knows where I could find some it would be appreciated.

As for their connection to the Talocans and the EVE Gate, my guess is they were around after the Talocans (rather than being the Talocans, as many - myself included - originally may have believed), and were around after the collapse of the EVE Gate. I'm also convinced that there is a connection between the Sleepers and either the genesis, the collapse, or both, of the EVE Gate. Perhaps they came after the Talocans, and salvaged and analyzed their remains - as we are with the Sleepers - and gleaned enough knowledge of hypereuclidean geometry, enough to learn about position stars to manipulate wormholes? (I saw someone else earlier in the thread talk about the Sleepers perhaps knowing how to manipulate star positions, this is just a continuation of that theory)

So much theory, not enough fact. Hopefully more will come to light to help prove or disprove my ideas.

(I apologise if any of that comes across as rambling, it's sort of late here >_>)

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.22 16:22:00 - [204]
 

I was thinking a Dyson Sphere too. Good way to hide yourself from the rest of the galaxy!

Shamata
Caldari
ZC Industries
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:19:00 - [205]
 

:)

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.06.25 16:44:00 - [206]
 

Maybe the Seyllin event blew away a number of stars that the Sleepers were depending on for power. Maybe that's why they're waking up. A mirror could be a part of some kind of radiation collection dish, and there are multiple...

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.25 18:09:00 - [207]
 

I would say that it's definitely time for Dropbear topop in on this thread again ;) if not to tell us what to look for, at least point out the trees which we shouldn't be barking up...

Renegade Remus
Posted - 2010.06.25 19:04:00 - [208]
 

I've finally been able to log off one of my scanner alts in an empty C6, while sitting in a Zephyr.

I'm all set up to research The Mirror on my own. Does anyone have any suggestions about what to do? Anyone need further information? Screenshots? Text boxes that haven't already been covered? What-happens-whens?

I want to open up the secrets behind this mystery as much as you do. Very Happy

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.06.25 19:32:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: rowbin hod
I would say that it's definitely time for Dropbear topop in on this thread again ;) if not to tell us what to look for, at least point out the trees which we shouldn't be barking up...


Agreed and fair enough. I will spam you all over the weekend. YARRRR!!

Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.06.25 21:26:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: rowbin hod
I would say that it's definitely time for Dropbear topop in on this thread again ;) if not to tell us what to look for, at least point out the trees which we shouldn't be barking up...


Agreed and fair enough. I will spam you all over the weekend. YARRRR!!



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