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Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:06:00 - [991]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 29/06/2011 18:03:23
Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 29/06/2011 18:03:02
Originally by: Durf Askold
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

There is.Cool


Muttering about information and not talking about it beyond vague allusions does nothing but stroke your ego, dear.

It did also, apparently, elicit a response from you.Razz

Vague allusions. Nice find.

No wait.

Quote:
Backside of a clay tablet from Pylos bearing the motif of the Labyrinth, allusion to the mythological fight of Theseus and the Minotaur

O M G Awesome find. You my friend are a genius. And don't for a second think I am kidding. Well maybe about the genius part I was.Cool

PS
Is anyone getting why allusions are awesome?

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.06.29 20:55:00 - [992]
 

There are a lot of allusions in this narrative.

But the concept of alluding is not itself significant.

I don't think.

Shocked

Alessandra Karris
Karris Family Research and Salvage
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:22:00 - [993]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
There are a lot of allusions in this narrative.

But the concept of alluding is not itself significant.

I don't think.

Shocked


Well, people still miss the references to Mentas Blaque in the Anoikis chronicle, you can't blame them for baiting the bear. ugh

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:02:00 - [994]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
There are a lot of allusions in this narrative.

But the concept of alluding is not itself significant.

I don't think.

Shocked


But I like it so much.Very Happy

Last one ever. Because Jeff Buckley is awesome.
Grace

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.06.30 10:21:00 - [995]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 30/06/2011 11:46:37
I think maybe CCP Dropbear should stop rereading Decartes and go watch some Anime.Smile

Quote:
The first Takkun is a kitten that Mamimi saved. She named him Takkun. He's just a playful kitten that ran away on episode six. He found another cat and fell in love and was never seen again.

The second Takkun is the robot dog-like terminal core. Mamimi found him, put him on a leash, and kept him. She used him to get revenge on those who mistreated her. That little robot would eat cellphones and grow. Then he moved on to motorcycles, and so he grew. When he became too much for Mamimi to handle, he joined with Canti and tried to activate the Medical Mechanica plant.

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.05 07:09:00 - [996]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
The short answer is that the two are not as interchangeable as you might think.

The longer answer is that returning the focus to Sleepers after the first time (COSMOS) allowed us to continue developing a plotline that is as old as EVE itself. So let me put your fears to rest; we weren't unthinkingly reviving something newer as filler at the expense of using something else that's more established. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Think about that. It may not make sense at first. The complexity of the Sleeper's story runs so deeply that it may take some time to understand. Some time indeed, but you should think about it all the same, if you ever want to understand. The pieces of this puzzle are scattered across a wide area, and a stretch of time unlike any event in EVE has seen before. If you think anyone forgot about developing this storyline, if you think the "silence" right now is indicative of apathy or disregard at our end, then you're (quite understandably) assuming that all of this is being done on the traditional timescale - but that is not the case. All of this - all of it - is unfolding in real time, and it will take either a genius or a collective effort to make sense of the whole from the fragments that remain. We are watching and waiting for the day to come when the capsuleers will move this particular storyline forward. We are still waiting.

Let me tell you now that if you look closely at all things Sleeper, you will be rewarded for it. Nothing was put anywhere by mistake, and very, very, little of it is what you could describe as "filler". When it comes to the Sleepers, each stroke on the canvas was meant to be there and each part serves a purpose, whether little or...big. There are depths to this storyline that nobody has explored, complexities that have not yet been understood, mysteries that are still waiting to be unraveled, and this is a year and half after the discovery of Anoik...wormhole space.

There's more out there than people have realized, and more in store than you might expect.

If you think I'm being overly cryptic, then when you all understand this, you'll also understand why. Simply put, we don't want to destroy the mystery because it's not for us to spell it out to you all. That's the point of all of this - for you all to figure it out. Consider it an experiment in interactive storytelling, and one that has really only just begun.

But to add just a little more specificity to what will probably otherwise be seen as a cryptic response...I'll give you a specific (but relatively minor in the scheme of things) example of what sort of things you can all discover, if you only try - of how a simple bit of awareness and induction can carry you a long way in this storyline:

Throughout wormhole space you will encounter strange anomalies known as the Oruze Construct, and Oruze Osobnyk. Osobnyk already has its own input, but Oruze? What does that mean?

Well, Pottsey made an interesting discovery not so long ago, but the depth of what had been discovered still remains lost on you capsuleers. Take a good, long, look at this. It should shed some....light...on what Oruze might mean.

This same process of induction can be applied to many, many things out there. I suggest you all keep investigating, and most importantly, keep theorizing. You've a lot left to piece together.

All my love,
CCP Dropbear

P.S. I know I drifted away from a direct response there, but Ghost, you gave me an opportunity to say some things I've wanted to for a long time.


Solar engineering, photoelectrical engineering... if we hit the construct with lasers will something funky happen?

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.05 08:31:00 - [997]
 

Originally by: Ksitigarbha
Originally by: Darcy D'Spledide
This thread is much better than the other W-space ones, why did it die?
Necrobump!


Bumpy again!

C'mon - there have to be some new info on this?


No there is not.

The "game" is about what kind of wild unsupported theories people can come up with so the the Storyline team can have a giggle. Things have already been written in that new book of theirs.

Besides, why kill of the 'mysterious nature' of the mystery by letting us reveal it? New players need the to have their interest peeked too. And no-progress half completed storylines are another trademark of CCP btw.

Maybe we should start transporting water to Ishukone HQ and construction blocks to CONCORD HQ in Yulai.Rolling Eyes

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.05 09:32:00 - [998]
 

Jowen Datloran. You just lost the game.Very Happy



Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:03:00 - [999]
 

Fine, play the court jester, Auwnie, you are welcome.

I have moved on to other older lore sources and stories within EVE. Proberly forgotten by the devs too.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:11:00 - [1000]
 

Brick By Boring Brick by Paramore.

It is not about being smart or allusive or hiding in plain sight. It is about the beauty of coincidence. About the fluidity of meaning. It is about allowing your mind a tiny bit of freedom, to withhold determination for just a second to allow the improbable to take shape. I think Hayley Williams would like it phrased that way.Cool


So not about what it does mean but what else it could mean.

She lives in a fairy tale
Somewhere too far for us to find
Forgotten the taste and smell
Of the world that she's left behind
It's all about the exposure the lens I told her
The angles were all wrong now
She's ripping wings off of butterflies
keep your feet on the ground
when your head's in the clouds
Well go get your shovel
And we'll dig a deep hole
To bury the castle, bury the castle

So one day he found her crying
Coiled up on the dirty ground
Her prince finally came to save her
And the rest you can figure out
But it was a trick
And the clock struck twelve
Well make sure to build your home brick by boring brick
or the wolf's gonna blow it down
keep your feet on the ground
when your head's in the clouds
Well go get your shovel
And we'll dig a deep hole
To bury the castle, bury the castle

Well you built up a world of magic
Because your real life is tragic
Yeah you built up a world of magic

If it's not real
You can't hold it in your hand
You can't feel it with your heart
And I won't believe it
But if it's true
You can see it with your eyes
Oh even in the dark
And that's where I want to be, yeah

Go get your shovel
We'll dig a deep hole
To bury the castle, bury the castle

Theodoros
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:35:00 - [1001]
 

I was wondering.
The Elder's fleet was able to jump in the Yulai system and also was able to attack all the way to the Amarr empire. Do they use Sleeper or Talocan technology?
Or maybe it has more to do with the abduction of Maleatu Shakor from the Jovians?

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:48:00 - [1002]
 

Hello from Australia (wry smile at the term dropbear).
With all this wonderful sleeper stuff we can do (anoms and sigs) are any of the sleeper structures actionable? In other words by using codebreakers or analysers on things other than those in radar and magnetometric sites, can we get further lore regarding the sleepers? Is the only lore ingame the descriptions on objects and the information pop up on warping to these anoms and sigs?

Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.07 11:44:00 - [1003]
 

Edited by: Mervent on 07/07/2011 11:42:38
Eve News Item from today...

Quote:
Caldari scientist defects to the Republic.
2011.07.07 04:05:45

ERAM - The Scope is receiving reports that Zainou Biotech scientist Hilen Tukoss has fled his home station in Otosela and defected to the Minmatar Republic alongside almost two hundred and fifty other research staff.

Although these reports remain unconfirmed, locator agents place Tukoss in Eram, Metropolis, at the Eifyr & Co. Biotech production plant. Both Tukoss and Eifyr & Co. representatives have refused invitations from Scope reporters to comment on the rising speculation.

On condition of anonymity, a civilian trader who works in the area reported seeing a large fleet of capsuleers escorting a freighter through Uemon, followed by a "heated exchange" over local comms between members of the capsuleer fleet and a member of Ishukone Watch.

This information corroborates another anonymous report, this time from a Republic customs official, who claimed to have scanned a freighter arriving in the system of Eram with almost 250 Caldari civilians aboard.

Ishukone has issued a press release which summarily refuses to discuss matters of internal corporate security, a policy the company has maintained throughout the last several dozen years.

Little is known about the research agenda of Hilen Tukoss, Program Director of the

Otosela Neuropsychology Center.

The nature of his work, as with much of Zainou's top research projects, remains a tightly guarded secret.


Neonemesis
Posted - 2011.07.07 20:56:00 - [1004]
 

Ok heres my theory (not sure if this thread is still going)
and i didnt read all 35 pages but heres what i can think of.

First off I reckon sleepers actually got their name from their cryotech -> cryosleep (this comes later again)
Also Sleepers posess POD tech.

As for the Solar Engineering thingy and combining it with the "high radiation" on that site:

I think its fine to assume that the material stored there was Isogen-5. What if that site was a research center
with sleeper drones guarding it. Having solar energy / heat energy to generate Isogen-5 and powering the sleeper drones with that
and powering the research center itself.

Stars tend to have a long lifetime so its a good bet to get your energy from while your not "around".

So heres what happened:

Sleepers faced a virus they had no cure for, and knew it would also affect other races. So they actually went ahead and used their
knowledge of the EvE Gate to collapse it, to protect the terrans (this one doesnt have to be true, existence of that virus is the vital point)
So they searched for a solution and found Talocan Research Center, combined with their VR and Cryotech they put themselves into stasis capsules and connect themselves to a VR-Network. Within that network they are still alive and researching for a cure of the Virus.

They created the drones to protect the research center until they find the cure, having Iso-5 powering them for a long enough time.
So the Sleeper are sleeping in their cryotech capsules waiting for the cure to be found.

Sleepers also tried to study the EvE Gate in the hope that terrans might have the cure to that very virus.

Anyways that could be a very stupid idea or a good one, i just lack the background tbh

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.08 00:50:00 - [1005]
 

For anyone paying attention. It seems that ripping the wings of butterflies has a deeper meaning. I wonder if Sansha knew this too when he designed his new shippy.

Veniro Rain
Posted - 2011.07.09 16:56:00 - [1006]
 

Edited by: Veniro Rain on 09/07/2011 17:12:17
Scope Interview with Hilen Tukoss

Quote:
....
"What I see, in my research, is a conspiracy of apathy towards true investigative science. When it comes to the study of wormhole space, the capsuleers are the only ones really achieving anything."

So this is about wormhole space and the Sleepers? The Deteis just nods this time. I leave him plenty of room to add to the answer, but he won't be drawn.
...



Quote:
Our time is running low, so before things end I decide to let him know what's coming with that capsuleer outreach idea of his. They are going to want to know more, I explain; about his research, about his old life in the State, and about the Sleepers. Is he ready to open those floodgates?

"I doubt anyone could be," he says. "I suspect though, that I will lean more on them than the other way around. As for the questions they'll ask, it's a difficult situation at times, yes. What do you say when a known Sansha loyalist asks about your research? If you turn him away, how do you know he won't just send someone less obvious to get the information? Trust in the capsuleer world is a dangerous thing, but also essential."

Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2011.07.12 04:15:00 - [1007]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
For anyone paying attention. It seems that ripping the wings of butterflies has a deeper meaning. I wonder if Sansha knew this too when he designed his new shippy.



The Revenant looks more like a Queen Bee to me. YMMV.

The kind of vague handwaving you are doing here with regard to "obvious things" is pretty tiresome though in these threads.

Let's all speak directly and clearly to the facts, okay?

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.07.12 10:14:00 - [1008]
 

The point was that there could be a deeper meaning behind that very specific allusion of the manifest, not to determine the exact insect that it was based on. I dont think Sansha would like to be associated with a queen bee but I could be wrong.Razz

And then there is Hayley Williams

Quote:
The song received a positive review from Vicki Lutas of the BBC, who awarded the song 5 out of 5 stars. She said that the song is "hair-raisingly BRILLIANT" and said "Listening to the lyrics is like entering a world where sandcastles aren't built, but buried, a world where the baddie is not the wolf, but reality... and in this world, things are dark, but they're very real. There's a sense of longing; longing for those fairy tales and longing for innocence, but it's coupled with a sense of realization that this will never happen."

I could not have said it better.

Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.28 06:18:00 - [1009]
 


Bryson Bennington
Posted - 2011.07.28 06:29:00 - [1010]
 

Don't forget about the Sleeper Leviathan with it's ten kilometer long metalic tendrils that connect to the egg shaped main body. It's singular red eye constantly searching, constantly looking....for you.

Sleep tight.


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