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CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.02.18 19:58:00 - [961]
 

Originally by: Allant Doran
Knowing that the next load of information hasn't even been approved yet is, well, off-putting to say the least. Doesn't really matter if I follow topics like these for daily advancements anymore, since it's just something I'll only have to wait to be released to find out anyway.


It's not like that. The "things" in pre-approval are new, more interactive, more involving, in-game delivery mechanisms for plot points created a long time ago. Think back to some criticisms leveled by players that, despite the abundance of in-game content, there was still too much of the mystery being unraveled by trawling through out-of-game chronicles and other sources. The idea is to address that concern, and quite a few others.

Anyways, it'll all be clear in due time. In the meantime, don't feel like there's nothing left to uncover, or that we're all in "dead time" now until the next episode screens. This doesn't work that way. Keep digging around, keep theorizing, keep seeking consensus, and keep trying to build a core of knowledge. You're going to need it all for the road ahead. Twisted Evil

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.18 20:22:00 - [962]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
more interactive, more involving, in-game delivery mechanisms


Shocked

ZOMG. Need moar info!!

C.


Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:49:00 - [963]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 27/02/2011 12:18:59
Originally by: Allant Doran
I guess that's kinda how I feel.

I don't feel like this is fake or anything, I do believe that the players figuring out what the story is is exactly how this will progress.
The only thing that bothers me is that many of us were under the impression that once we figured out the current story, the advancements were already approved and ready to be implemented as soon as we struck a key point or discovery.

Knowing that the next load of information hasn't even been approved yet is, well, off-putting to say the least. Doesn't really matter if I follow topics like these for daily advancements anymore, since it's just something I'll only have to wait to be released to find out anyway.

Kinda like the difference between watching an episode of something the day it first airs, or buying the box-set years later with everything ready, just waiting to be viewed.

I had assumed EVE's current ficiton arc was like a box-set, with new information and story progression only a discovery away. Instead it's currently being aired in real-time, season 1 ended in a cliff-hanger and the producers aren't sure when the next season will begin.




No, I'm pretty sure you are mistaken. The overall land scape of the story is pretty set and partly known, but the details, flavour, style and unfolding story line are still flexible and subject to change based on the actions of players and events. (Think gravametrics closing wormholes).

Remember that in the past drop said that this would be an experiment in interactive story telling, I think of it like role playing games when you have a great GM, the kind that could and would ad-lib when the players decide to start a fight with the town guard instead of helping them fight the band of brigands.

--edit--
Um posted before I noticed Drop had already spoken.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2011.02.19 02:56:00 - [964]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Allant Doran
Knowing that the next load of information hasn't even been approved yet is, well, off-putting to say the least. Doesn't really matter if I follow topics like these for daily advancements anymore, since it's just something I'll only have to wait to be released to find out anyway.


It's not like that. The "things" in pre-approval are new, more interactive, more involving, in-game delivery mechanisms for plot points created a long time ago. Think back to some criticisms leveled by players that, despite the abundance of in-game content, there was still too much of the mystery being unraveled by trawling through out-of-game chronicles and other sources. The idea is to address that concern, and quite a few others.

Anyways, it'll all be clear in due time. In the meantime, don't feel like there's nothing left to uncover, or that we're all in "dead time" now until the next episode screens. This doesn't work that way. Keep digging around, keep theorizing, keep seeking consensus, and keep trying to build a core of knowledge. You're going to need it all for the road ahead. Twisted Evil


Thanks for clearing that up, Dropbear. I'm really not one of those ''CCP can't do anything right, raar!'' people, I genuinly just felt, initially, a bit like we had been lead on a near-wild goose chase.

I'm more optimistic now, though and in a way i'm glad it was just my own misunderstanding.
Keep doing what you're doing and i'll keep following it Smile

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:06:00 - [965]
 

Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
more interactive, more involving, in-game delivery mechanisms


Shocked

ZOMG. Need moar info!!

C.



I think this might have something to do with it.
chronicles: with acknowledgments to mad dogs

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.27 06:33:00 - [966]
 

My corp back when WHs and sleepers first appeared made the joke that because WH sometimes allowed for time travel we were traveling to the futute of our current galaxy and harvesting the remains of our AI tech and shattered worlds.

I always assumed the Jove were weirdly distant about the whole Sleeper issue indeed one would assume they would have atlest talked to us about what we found.

My current theroy atm is that the Sleeper units were a despret attempt by the dieing Epires of the time to get home but instead of getting to earth they landed in another galaxy.

forced to remain and fuel up the Sleeper ships most likely piloted by dreaming humens tried to make a home while researching Worm Holes.

I assume the sucseeded to a point but broke the fabric of reality resulting in the WH we know now.
I stress the point that something broke reality becasue the trailer intrducing WH showed some destruction at their arrival and that we have trasit WHs that lead from one part of our galaxy to another instead of just WH space.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.02.27 08:16:00 - [967]
 

Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 27/02/2011 08:15:57
Originally by: Kithrus
broke the fabric of reality resulting in the WH we know now


People really need to read the chrons before posting...

Originally by: Jovan Geldon

1. "The Spiral"
2. "Half a Life"
3. "1"
4. "The Great Harvest"
5. "We Humans"
6. "World on Fire"

tl;dr - Sisters of EVE find Jamyl Sarum's Abaddon fitted with the Terran superweapon next to a rogue drone hive and send a ship to retreive it. The Blood Raiders use their spies in SoE to find out where and send a taskforce to it as well. A passing Thukker caravan is attacked as a distraction; one of their enterprising captains decides to follow the Radiers when they retreat, and finds the hive as well. The SoE ship goes in first and is destroyed by the drones. The Blood Raider ship is given a secret AI subroutine to transmit by Omir Sarikusa and sneaks past the drones while they have an "identity crisis". The Thukkers arrive later and attempt to reason with the drones. Some philosophical stuff on the nature of their existence later, they help him to destroy the Isogen-5 cache in the hive, destroying themselves, the Raiders, and the superweapon, and setting off the chain reaction that caused the formation of the wormholes.


Read, digest, consider. Then come back with your ideas.

Aedeal
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:43:00 - [968]
 

So I'd take CCP Dropbear's comments to mean that there is no 'magic key' to unlock the 'Seventh Gate' yet, but to find that magic key in the future, we're gonna need to work out what the heck sleepers are, what they're doing here etc. Sound reasonable?

I'll throw this in there: Sleepers as a race seem to be *really* ancient. We're talking first-empire stuff. They would appear to have entered what we know as W-Space, quarantined areas, and then *possibly* locked themselves in, with a 'remote trigger' on the other side to let themselves out at some point (Isogen V caches pre-date rogue drones). It's an explanation for the massive stashes of Iso V, meshes with the quarantine we know of, but why did rogue drones take up the task of fuelling them? Who manipulated the detonation? Who is manipulating the rogue drones? Did they even become 'rogue' or did they actually switch ownership?

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.27 14:59:00 - [969]
 


Quote:
People really need to read the chrons before posting...


How about you enlighten me instead of being conceited. I have looked at allot of databut there is allot more yet to go through.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:19:00 - [970]
 

Originally by: Kithrus

Quote:
People really need to read the chrons before posting...


How about you enlighten me instead of being conceited.


How about you actually read the thread before posting half-baked drivel on a topic we already know the answer to?

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:03:00 - [971]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Kithrus

Quote:
People really need to read the chrons before posting...


How about you enlighten me instead of being conceited.


How about you actually read the thread before posting half-baked drivel on a topic we already know the answer to?


I don't agree with what has been posted because after 33 pages of thread the most CCP has said to us all is....

"Almost"

Aedeal
Posted - 2011.02.28 15:10:00 - [972]
 

TBH you're fighting over utterly nothing at all. One is just a more poetic way of putting it. Oh, and Jovan, I think if you re-read, the code-reprogramming routine wasn't created or given to the ship by the blood raiders, it came from the 'friend' of the blood raiders - whoever that is.

Aedeal
Posted - 2011.02.28 15:36:00 - [973]
 

Originally by: Kithrus
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Kithrus

Quote:
People really need to read the chrons before posting...


How about you enlighten me instead of being conceited.


How about you actually read the thread before posting half-baked drivel on a topic we already know the answer to?


I don't agree with what has been posted because after 33 pages of thread the most CCP has said to us all is....

"Almost"


+1 to this.

So far as I can work out, there's been some mysterious force working doing all sorts of cloak and dagger stuff trying to manipulate things to their advantage.

Evidence:
-Iso V dumps are said to be extremely old
-Jovians make continual reference to some race of beings that manipulate people, they know them as the 'Enheduanni'
-The massive web of plotting revealed between in-game and out-game sources. The SoCT are involved, the Sisters, the Amarrians, the Blood Raiders, Gallente and Caldari mega-corps, Serpentis (working alongside the Sisters of EVE) and not forgetting the Jovians. You don't set up something this big in a couple of minutes.
-'World On Fire' says that the dumps were positioned by a race far far in advance of our current one, with a far greater idea in mind, leading my thoughts to one of the previous Empires.

It just stinks of being a massive plot, but did we unlock the prison, or the refuge?

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.02.28 18:46:00 - [974]
 

Originally by: Aedeal
TBH you're fighting over utterly nothing at all. One is just a more poetic way of putting it. Oh, and Jovan, I think if you re-read, the code-reprogramming routine wasn't created or given to the ship by the blood raiders, it came from the 'friend' of the blood raiders - whoever that is.


Dagan, I think. From the SoE arc.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.28 19:25:00 - [975]
 

Yes, Mr. Dagan is a Jovian operative for the SoCT. He apparently passed a drone overide code to the Blood Raiders. My guess is that Jamyl Sarum is another recipient of said code, as the drones were "guarding" and refeuling her super weapon.

The SoCT looks to have been provoking an armageddon (pun intended=) between the Amarr and the Sani Sabik. The Rogue drones were deeply offended by the mere existance of such a code, and worked out a deal with the Empires via the Sister's of Eve.

The Society of Conscious Thought is said to harbor an element that seeks to manipulate Empire. Sort of a sinister Foundation, for those who have read Aasimov.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.03.01 14:26:00 - [976]
 

Reread "1" and found some things interesting.

Isnt this the second time the Sisters want to own some piece of destructive technology for the good of man. Black mountain.

Quote:
mechanical god, dead or dreaming

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:57:00 - [977]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
Reread "1" and found some things interesting.

Isnt this the second time the Sisters want to own some piece of destructive technology for the good of man. Black mountain.

Quote:
mechanical god, dead or dreaming


Why is it that holy men in New Eden turn out to be decidedly unholy?

Parallels with reality, I suppose :F

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:49:00 - [978]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 02/03/2011 13:48:41
Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 01/03/2011 16:56:12
Reread the rest.Very Happy Watch out Im going to solve this.

Quote:
that evil could triumph so decidedly over the powers of good


This made me think of a little common theory. Isogen stashes and perhaps drones were created by, or with knowledge of, the empires to reopen the EVE gate. Evil gives Jamyl the gun. She parks it in the safest place ever, booby trapped(no pun intended).

The enormous value of the goal and the effort to build the Isogen makes anyone in the know(educated by SCT?) keep it very save. Even let the Blood Raider have the weapon if it means keeping the stash.

Question is who is the voice with the codes. Blood Raiders in league with the Jove or SCT. I dont think so.

Quote:
Why is it that holy men in New Eden turn out to be decidedly unholy?

What is holy and what is not is determined only by the one doing the determining not by anything outside it.Cool

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.02 02:59:00 - [979]
 

The agent that passes the override code is definately an agent of the Society, it states it in the chronicle, along with mention of a Society Kith that doesn't exist, or is cloaked(there is canon to support this). Though, you have raised the question in my mind, as to where THEY attained it. I hadn't entertained the simplest notion that Jamyl Sarum passed it along to them. Thank you..

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.03.02 13:48:00 - [980]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 02/03/2011 13:48:15
Quote:
The agent that passes the override code is definately an agent of the Society, it states it in the chronicle, along with mention of a Society Kith that doesn't exist, or is cloaked(there is canon to support this).

You are right it does very much imply SCT. I still dont like it. Where do they mention that Kitz?

It could be possible that a certain party knew the Thukkers were there and played a double bluff of sorts. Giving the Blood Raiders the codes with knowing exactly how the Thukker captain would act. They are playing everybody for their own secret agenda. As the chronicle says Somebody got exactly what they set out to.

I think something along the same line happened at the start of the Empyrean Age. Knowing about and maybe even facilitating the Minmatar and Thukkers Fleet build and supplying a perfect counter that ends in only them(Evil?) ending up a winner(the broker).

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.02 14:59:00 - [981]
 

--"You can't, obviously," the voice said. "But you can very much trust us to explode the vessel if you fail. Prepare for acceptance of the data string. And bring the ship to the wrecked station by planet ten, moon two in the Roua system."


The transmission ended. Someone in his crew said, "That's a ... Society of Conscious Thought area, sir."--

The Great Harvest..

K'hanesh Lor'al
Amarr
The Golden Knights
Posted - 2011.03.02 15:05:00 - [982]
 

The Kitz is mentioned the Black Mountain Chrons

Hey all... many moons ago I really thought there was a major connection between the Incursions and the SOCT... so I posted here:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1435724

Please let me know what you think... there is a link between the Black mountain Chrons, the Endo of the ***rld Chrons, and the the Society of Concious Thought Chronicle

Khan

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.03.02 15:13:00 - [983]
 

Adding the reading skill to the cue as we speak.Cool

An arms dealer of sorts could easily have crossed paths with the Sisters when they were looking around the EVE gate and found some artifacts that could be used to build a very big weapon.

It could be an explanation for Jamyls weapon. Sisters find interesting artifacts pertaining to the EVE gate. The broker and associates step in to intercept.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.03 13:15:00 - [984]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 03/03/2011 13:25:07
A few points, in relief, the ethical compass of Eve is directionless. There are certainly more than two polarizing opposites. We can presume that there were numerous political\theological entities arriving through the Eve portal. The First Jove Empire, was comprised of eight.

One must certainly contemplate said First Empire of the Jove as the dominant factions of the original Terran Hegemony, whatever that was. On this side of the portal, anyway.

The Gallente could be thought of as Existentialists, too.. The Statics might well represent a theological viewpoint amongt the Jove. Everything is just so fuzzy right now. The Unsullied could be the original driving force of the Tahkmal and Nation. There are ancient bloodlines of the Jove running in us all.

Excepting the Amarr, of course, they trace back to the original Conformists.. And so too might the Jove.. =)

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.03.04 11:51:00 - [985]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Allant Doran
Knowing that the next load of information hasn't even been approved yet is, well, off-putting to say the least. Doesn't really matter if I follow topics like these for daily advancements anymore, since it's just something I'll only have to wait to be released to find out anyway.


It's not like that. The "things" in pre-approval are new, more interactive, more involving, in-game delivery mechanisms for plot points created a long time ago. Think back to some criticisms leveled by players that, despite the abundance of in-game content, there was still too much of the mystery being unraveled by trawling through out-of-game chronicles and other sources. The idea is to address that concern, and quite a few others.

Anyways, it'll all be clear in due time. In the meantime, don't feel like there's nothing left to uncover, or that we're all in "dead time" now until the next episode screens. This doesn't work that way. Keep digging around, keep theorizing, keep seeking consensus, and keep trying to build a core of knowledge. You're going to need it all for the road ahead. Twisted Evil


Is this at all related to the removal of the integrated terminus site? Will it be "upgraded" when we get it back? Laughing

Lancashirian
Posted - 2011.03.14 18:17:00 - [986]
 

Quote:
Is this at all related to the removal of the integrated terminus site? Will it be "upgraded" when we get it back?


Did they remove it again? I was at a C4 last month and it was active...

Darcy D'Spledide
Posted - 2011.05.29 13:42:00 - [987]
 

This thread is much better than the other W-space ones, why did it die?
Necrobump!

Ksitigarbha
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:07:00 - [988]
 

Originally by: Darcy D'Spledide
This thread is much better than the other W-space ones, why did it die?
Necrobump!


Bumpy again!

C'mon - there have to be some new info on this?

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:39:00 - [989]
 

Quote:
Bumpy again!

C'mon - there have to be some new info on this?

There is.Cool

Durf Askold
Posted - 2011.06.28 22:04:00 - [990]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

There is.Cool


Muttering about information and not talking about it beyond vague allusions does nothing but stroke your ego, dear.


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