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Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:59:00 - [871]
 

Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Glyken Touchon

SOE investigate the bright star, and SOE somehow design something that sleepers ignore (zephyr). Coincidence?

The Intaki Syndicate, not the SOE, designed and developed the Zephyr.


Been a while since I read ante. just re-read it. oops- got mixed up.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.07 20:33:00 - [872]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 07/01/2011 23:25:21
Quote:
* sleepers lack shields due to shield vulnerabilities with isogen-5. implies either drone proximity to it (collection?), or enemies that use it. Are the buildings with shields actually sleeper buildings or Talocan?
* military/civilian sites are mixed because with WH technology, there are no front lines/safe havens, all systems are equally vulnerable.

Me like both. Also if you are information and so are the weapons you are fighting with having your highly redundant network infrastucture exposed to your adversary is not a big problem. The only method of attack for a system that is as highly connected as the Sleepers is is to find a weakness that can sabotage the system from within.

Has anyone ever taken a good look at the Polaris frigate. When you look at it a little closer the name and the shape suddenly point towards something very old and familiar to us.

For general clarity; it's Talocan.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.08 09:09:00 - [873]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
For general clarity; it's Talocan.

Please tell me you understand the implications of this, or I shall die of sheer shock.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2011.01.08 14:17:00 - [874]
 

Perhaps they're all still around? Or at the very least, The Talocan. Either that, or the Jovians are "the 4 becoming 1."

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.08 15:50:00 - [875]
 

Of cause it is a GM ship and its specs are for that specific OOC role.
But look at its design. It doesnt fit in with any race as far as I know. A lot of Talocan structures and the ship in Sleeper space have the same elongated shape.

And for storyline purposes it could very easily be reasoned that the Jove found a couple of derelict frigates floating somewhere and not wanting to share their own technology with anyone they fixed up these museum pieces.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.09 02:00:00 - [876]
 

OK, caught up now. more thoughts to mull on.

CCP Dropbear said that the sleeper storyline had been planned from when COSMOS was introduced. When did rogue drones first make their appearance?

In some missions, rogue drones are mining for things that are "worthless" (banidine etc). could it be the same people telling us these are worthless as are feeding us the line about "Current scientific opinion broadly agrees that these items [..data libraries etc..] are of little material value." (Anoikis)

obvious (maybe too obvious) link is that drones could be going rogue because of "leaked" signals from either sleepers or (pushing it a bit) sansha slaves?.

Could there be a pattern to the adjective for sleeper ships present at each site?
  • emergent - AI
  • awakened - sleeper with physical body
  • sleepless - ? maybe capsuleer/uploaded sleeper
could a pattern give a clue as to the site's purpose?

Did sansha develop the codebreakers to hack the DED (and the gates etc) or to hack the sleeper sites?

2am here, so I'm going to sleep on it for now..

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.09 05:03:00 - [877]
 

Edited by: Alana Kel on 09/01/2011 05:03:30
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
In some missions, rogue drones are mining for things that are "worthless" (banidine etc). could it be the same people telling us these are worthless as are feeding us the line about "Current scientific opinion broadly agrees that these items [..data libraries etc..] are of little material value." (Anoikis)

"Clause 1) The four member nations of the treaty have each agreed that the preliminary findings, and any agreements based thereupon, on each of the four units is strictly provisional. Current scientific opinion broadly agrees that these items are of little material value. However, any reassessment undertaken by any of the member nations that is deemed to invalidate this initial finding may be deferred to."

Quote:
obvious (maybe too obvious) link is that drones could be going rogue because of "leaked" signals from either sleepers or (pushing it a bit) sansha slaves?.

Could there be a pattern to the adjective for sleeper ships present at each site?
  • emergent - AI
  • awakened - sleeper with physical body
  • sleepless - ? maybe capsuleer/uploaded sleeper
could a pattern give a clue as to the site's purpose?


Now, look at these two links. Look at them very carefully.
Sleeper Ship
Embryo Space Colonization

Hint:
"Going a step further, the spacecraft "cargo" could be limited just to the genetic information of humans stored in as computer files. In this case, sperm and egg cells would need to be recreated by a biosequencer at the target planet (this proposal is currently not technologically feasible)."

Does that look familiar?

What would you need to do this?

I think that everything that is necessary is available in The Mirror. Beyond that, the further application of the information in the mirror has impact on a great many other scientific disciplines, and what is available in the Sleeper tags is also fascinating.

(to be continued)

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.09 23:09:00 - [878]
 

Originally by: Alana Kel
Now, look at these two links. Look at them very carefully.
Sleeper Ship
Embryo Space Colonization

Hint:
"Going a step further, the spacecraft "cargo" could be limited just to the genetic information of humans stored in as computer files. In this case, sperm and egg cells would need to be recreated by a biosequencer at the target planet (this proposal is currently not technologically feasible)."



I think you are on the right track, but are not going far enough. Instead of sleeper ships consider Von Neuman machines, spreading out and building a vast interseller network of nodes (Mirrors) linked by FTL Communications and inhabited by Informporphs.


Quetazal
Gallente
Clann Fian
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.01.10 13:28:00 - [879]
 

Sorry if this is obvious,

What are these 'mirrors' are they objects called 'mirror' or is it the enclave itself?

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.10 22:29:00 - [880]
 

Originally by: Quetazal
Sorry if this is obvious,

What are these 'mirrors' are they objects called 'mirror' or is it the enclave itself?


"The Mirror" is a exploration site in Anoikis.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.12 16:40:00 - [881]
 

ok- people have been commenting here about potentially unlocking areas by doing stuff with sleeper sites.

This may call for some tinfoil, but
Originally by: CCP Yokai

There are 7929 sol's (including Polaris, Jove, wormholes, and other spaces not accessable today to normal players)

any ideas? Or is it likely to be just a misrepresentation of what he actually meant?

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.01.12 17:05:00 - [882]
 

Edited by: Nishachara on 12/01/2011 17:07:08
Edited by: Nishachara on 12/01/2011 17:06:05
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
ok- people have been commenting here about potentially unlocking areas by doing stuff with sleeper sites.

This may call for some tinfoil, but
Originally by: CCP Yokai

There are 7929 sol's (including Polaris, Jove, wormholes, and other spaces not accessable today to normal players)

any ideas? Or is it likely to be just a misrepresentation of what he actually meant?



Yeah i was also "Shocked" when i read this half an hour ago...
Hmm not accessable "today"...maybe there is smoke where there is fire Very Happy
(lol the fraze goes other way around..note to self: dont type in a hurry Very Happy)
Also...there was obvious conquering of jove space in causality video.

Heh we will see eventually ....probably...i hopeVery Happy

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.01.12 20:53:00 - [883]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 12/01/2011 21:37:35
Originally by: Glyken Touchon
ok- people have been commenting here about potentially unlocking areas by doing stuff with sleeper sites.

This may call for some tinfoil, but
Originally by: CCP Yokai

There are 7929 sol's (including Polaris, Jove, wormholes, and other spaces not accessable today to normal players)

any ideas? Or is it likely to be just a misrepresentation of what he actually meant?



Assuming that you think that "solar engineering" is all about harvesting solar energy, then it's a misrepresentation.ugh

edit: On the other hand, what's the point of wild guesses? CCP Dropbear was last seen in this thread on page 18 some 6 months ago. Now, I know that Incursion has taken up resources (content developers and storyline writers in particular), but a little visit to the thread and a few words like "This storyline and everything connected to it isn't a dead end that we forgot all about last summer." would be nice.

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.13 04:22:00 - [884]
 

Originally by: CCP Yokai

There are 7929 sol's (including Polaris, Jove, wormholes, and other spaces not accessable today to normal players)


What? Shocked Last information I heard from the info dumps was 5000 k-space, 2499 w-space, and Polaris. Are my numbers seriously that far off?

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.01.13 05:44:00 - [885]
 

Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 13/01/2011 05:44:45
I guess the "other spaces not accessible today" were not included in the dump.

Alvar Kesh
Gallente
Ealurian Shipyards
Posted - 2011.01.13 12:38:00 - [886]
 

Just a wild guess, but did anybody try to use the new Purloined Sansha Codebreaker(Echelon) on the Mirror?

Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
Vengeance of the Fallen
Syndicate.
Posted - 2011.01.13 17:46:00 - [887]
 

Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 13/01/2011 17:50:30
Have anyone of you pondered and found a meaning to the hints CCP dropbear gave on the first page ?

Anoikis=Anoikia which is apoptotic cell death.

Apoptotic cell death is prevented in EVE with this rare chemical compound "C3-FTM_Acid" I just thought about it, dont know if it has any meaning, only been in WH space a few times.

Cheers.Smile

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.01.13 19:01:00 - [888]
 

Noticed something a while ago. I live in a c2 and some weeks ago we got a magnetometric site (not 100% sure if it was mag). When i warped to that site it contained Talocan Ruins something i never saw before in a c2. I warped back to my POS to get the Zephyr. Back at the site, the Talocan Ruins were gone and only a standard Sleeper site was there.

Maybe the secrets that are hidden are in such a site that only appears by chance?

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.14 04:31:00 - [889]
 

Originally by: Karak Terrel
Noticed something a while ago. I live in a c2 and some weeks ago we got a magnetometric site (not 100% sure if it was mag). When i warped to that site it contained Talocan Ruins something i never saw before in a c2. I warped back to my POS to get the Zephyr. Back at the site, the Talocan Ruins were gone and only a standard Sleeper site was there.

Maybe the secrets that are hidden are in such a site that only appears by chance?


I've heard of that happening before, to one of my corpmates. Do you remember seeing a Polestar among the artifacts, perchance?

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.14 15:57:00 - [890]
 

Originally by: Karak Terrel
Noticed something a while ago. I live in a c2 and some weeks ago we got a magnetometric site (not 100% sure if it was mag). When i warped to that site it contained Talocan Ruins something i never saw before in a c2. I warped back to my POS to get the Zephyr. Back at the site, the Talocan Ruins were gone and only a standard Sleeper site was there. Maybe the secrets that are hidden are in such a site that only appears by chance?
This reminds me of something I read about the Jove in relation to the Eve gate, that they where putting great effort into hiding Terran artifacts there. Perhaps this kind of hiding is what they mean, that they, through some kind of tech, are making one thing look like another, as they made Talocan structures look like Sleeper sites. Or it's a bug, Occam's razor anyone?

Doctor Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Posted - 2011.01.14 16:28:00 - [891]
 

Originally by: Aynen
Originally by: Karak Terrel
Noticed something a while ago. I live in a c2 and some weeks ago we got a magnetometric site (not 100% sure if it was mag). When i warped to that site it contained Talocan Ruins something i never saw before in a c2. I warped back to my POS to get the Zephyr. Back at the site, the Talocan Ruins were gone and only a standard Sleeper site was there. Maybe the secrets that are hidden are in such a site that only appears by chance?
This reminds me of something I read about the Jove in relation to the Eve gate, that they where putting great effort into hiding Terran artifacts there. Perhaps this kind of hiding is what they mean, that they, through some kind of tech, are making one thing look like another, as they made Talocan structures look like Sleeper sites. Or it's a bug, Occam's razor anyone?


In the Empyrean Age novel, the Amarr scientist reports that he's found signatures of a large number of Terran artifacts near the EVE gate that were cloaked by the Jove, that the Jove were deliberately hindering efforts to find them.

Aynen
Posted - 2011.01.14 16:50:00 - [892]
 

Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite

In the Empyrean Age novel, the Amarr scientist reports that he's found signatures of a large number of Terran artifacts near the EVE gate that were cloaked by the Jove, that the Jove were deliberately hindering efforts to find them.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that, nevermind then.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.15 09:41:00 - [893]
 

Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 13/01/2011 17:50:30
Have anyone of you pondered and found a meaning to the hints CCP dropbear gave on the first page ?

Anoikis=Anoikia which is apoptotic cell death.

Apoptotic cell death is prevented in EVE with this rare chemical compound "C3-FTM_Acid" I just thought about it, dont know if it has any meaning, only been in WH space a few times.

Cheers.Smile


Neurodegenerative disorders.

How do you cure them? One theory is the application of top-down, bottom-up research, using nano and pico scale manufacturing.

This type of research and manufacturing has applications outside of neurodegenerative disorders though. For instance, in robotics, telecommunications, material production, energy efficiency...

...in short, everything unique about the Sleepers could have come from the simple search for cures to brain disorders. Kind of interesting, isn't it? Cool

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2011.01.15 10:27:00 - [894]
 

"In the Empyrean Age novel, the Amarr scientist reports that he's found signatures of a large number of Terran artifacts near the EVE gate that were cloaked by the Jove, that the Jove were deliberately hindering efforts to find them."
That never made any logical sense to me. If the Jove don't want us to find them why not just move then to their empire where they would be nice and safe and they could cloak them if needed. Surly that would be far safer then leaving them next to the Eve gate.

Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
Vengeance of the Fallen
Syndicate.
Posted - 2011.01.15 10:52:00 - [895]
 

Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 15/01/2011 13:42:35
Alana Kel said "Neurodegenerative disorders.

How do you cure them? One theory is the application of top-down, bottom-up research, using nano and pico scale manufacturing.

This type of research and manufacturing has applications outside of neurodegenerative disorders though. For instance, in robotics, telecommunications, material production, energy efficiency...

...in short, everything unique about the Sleepers could have come from the simple search for cures to brain disorders. Kind of interesting, isn't it?"


Well if CCP Dropbear mentioned this it may have some importance, as part of the puzzle !
I have entertained a few Hypothesis on this subject.
1: Maybe the sleepers in short sent machines here to build thier constructs, then they send themselves here as Datastreams. Now they are bidding their time to contruct enough clones to fullfill their objective ?.
2: The Sleepers obtained above mentioned brain/cell disorders in the past, downloaded themselves, and are now awakening since there now is a cure ?

Well it is for certain a adictive mystery :)

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.15 16:58:00 - [896]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 15/01/2011 17:05:58
What better way is there to promote your infomorph dream-space of eternal spring than to make life intolerable because the body is torturing the mind.

What I meant to say is that it would not surprise me if the Sleepers created the Jove decease and to make sure it worked correctly they tested it out on a bunch of unsuspecting traveling Talocan.

Mielono
Caldari
SWARTA
Posted - 2011.01.15 23:18:00 - [897]
 

That raises a thought could the sleepers be coming towards us instead of away from us?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2011.01.16 10:30:00 - [898]
 

The Sleepers started off in empire space and over time moved further and further away.
I see no evidence they have stopped and changed direction back towards us.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.16 16:14:00 - [899]
 

Quote:
The Sleepers started off in empire space and over time moved further and further away.
I see no evidence they have stopped and changed direction back towards us.

The fact that there are archeological Sleeper finds in the Ani constellation in K-space is no evidence for it being their starting point. As a matter of fact I dont think it is. Also I dont see evidence the Sleepers were moving at all.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2011.01.16 20:38:00 - [900]
 

Quote:
The fact that there are archeological Sleeper finds in the Ani constellation in K-space is no evidence for it being their starting point. As a matter of fact I dont think it is. Also I dont see evidence the Sleepers were moving at all.


Which systems?


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