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Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.12.17 15:57:00 - [841]
 

Since I'm just wildly throwing out theories, what about this one: what if Anoikis IS the milky way? What if the collapse of the eve gate was so incredibly catastrophic that the majority of life oj that side was destroyed? We have seen evidence of forms of stargates and acceleration gates in various sites at wormholes, so why not? Has anyone seen a system in wh space that looks mysteriously like our solar system?

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:43:00 - [842]
 

I just got this idea crossing my mind while talking to some friends about movies...

Am I the only one or does wh-space by its "construction" strangely resemble this?

Maybe if this is on to something someone can expand on this thought Very Happy
(dont have time now for that myself,I must go Wink)

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2010.12.17 22:13:00 - [843]
 

There's only one real Truth that you need to understand, and the implications are about as simple and uncomplicated as you can make them.

Originally by: End of the World: The Great Harvest
The transmission ended. Someone in his crew said, "That's a ... Society of Conscious Thought area, sir."


Read that chronicle again. Read it very carefully. The implications are pointed out, line for line, of what the consequences and benefits are of dealing with the Society.

If they have this power, this control, what is their only real limitation?

http://www.mgln.org/wh/jove/2010.07.12.06.16.40.jpg

Quote:
Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.

Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.

If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?


You never remembered who it was that closed you in.

- Ior Labron.


The answers are very, very simple and straightforward. It may be hidden in innuendo, but the key pieces are available, and in plain sight, to every capsuleer. The context may be lost to those who have not been around since the beginning, but that's where the cooperative aspect of the game comes into play.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Morphite
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Complex_Fullerene_Shard

Now, think back to the Sleeper "tags". What do they reveal? Why are they so important?

If you're researching fullerenes and their scientific applications, would it not be beneficial to know the conditions that produce fullerenes naturally in order to artificially recreate them?

Though the Jove have access to fullerenes, and the means to create them, there is one organization that would understand the benefits of the technology without actually having access to it.

The Society of Conscious Thought.

They are implicated in The Great Harvest.
They are implicated in The Blood-Stained Stars.
They are implicated in creating Sansha's Nation.

I would also wager that it's not the Society as a whole, but a sub-faction within.

Further, I believe they are implicated in Jita 4-4.

So, there you have it. An organization manipulating at least two pirate factions, and scaring the Guristas into leaving them alone. They have means, motive and opportunity. They may not be behind the Sleepers, but they sure as heck understand the technology, and could very well be co-opting them in some ways.

Look at this again:

http://www.mgln.org/wh/jove/2010.07.12.06.16.40.jpg

The answers are there. So, Istvaan... what was that whole Crielere fiasco about? And what was that about a Jovian experimenting with teleportation technology?

Wink

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.18 00:18:00 - [844]
 

Sure gives me a lot to think about.

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2010.12.18 00:34:00 - [845]
 

Edited by: Deceiver''s Voice on 18/12/2010 00:35:19
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sure gives me a lot to think about.

Finally:

How do you think Gariushi got the Rogue Drones to do his bidding? ;) Considering Occam's Razor, what would be the most obvious place to look?

Edit: To make this an easier one, the hint is in The Great Harvest. It is spelled out quite succinctly.

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.12.18 01:10:00 - [846]
 

Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
There's only one real Truth that you need to understand, and the implications are about as simple and uncomplicated as you can make them.

Originally by: End of the World: The Great Harvest
The transmission ended. Someone in his crew said, "That's a ... Society of Conscious Thought area, sir."



For the record, there is nothing at Roua 10-2.

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2010.12.18 02:24:00 - [847]
 

Originally by: Arvash
For the record, there is nothing at Roua 10-2.

You really expected to find something there? I mean, it was fairly obvious that the "superweapon" was right next to a very, very large explosion. That said, do you think that if every Capsuleer could just fly in and take a look around that it would truly be a secure location? I would hope that the SOCT would not be so reckless.

No, there are more interesting implications. Forgetting Roua for a minute, look at everything from the perspective of the SOCT researching something specific. It explains the conversation at the end of Anoikis. It explains what's in The Mirrors. It explains many, many things.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.18 02:35:00 - [848]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/12/2010 02:45:08
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sure gives me a lot to think about.

Finally:

How do you think Gariushi got the Rogue Drones to do his bidding? ;) Considering Occam's Razor, what would be the most obvious place to look?


The experts on drones. The Gallente? Crielere? Duvolle?

Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Edit: To make this an easier one, the hint is in The Great Harvest. It is spelled out quite succinctly.


I hate when I can't spot the easy hints.

edit: But thus far, my theory stands. I think what we're in the middle of, is a battle to decide whether to stay meat, or become data. It seems that human evolution has a finite destiny. We are fascinated with technology. We start with the basics to make our lives easier, like iron swords and plows, but eventually we innovate to a point where humanity itself is obsolete. Why see the world with gelatinous orbs limited to the visual light spectrum, when we can see with sensors and molecular analyzers - why move around on two legs, or in ships, when we can transmit ourselves anywhere in the universe. To remain human is to accept a set of limitations, and to some, oblivion is preferable. I think the people on the home-side of the Eve gate simply abandoned their humanity, in favour of a more "effective" form of life - i.e. the Enheduanni, and Grious stating that they're "not human anymore." On our side of the gate, there's an element fighting to remain human. An element that treasures humanity, and doesn't want to become data. The Jovians, with their love of children and worship of fetus-tubes, fit the bill nicely.

Now the question is, how is that battle being fought? Have Jovians given the four New Eden empires capsule technology to teach them a lesson about what happens to humans when they are unbound? Are capsuleers, and their constant rampaging kill-orgy, a lesson in action of the consequences of granting the power of god to men?

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.12.18 02:47:00 - [849]
 

Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Originally by: Arvash
For the record, there is nothing at Roua 10-2.

You really expected to find something there? I mean, it was fairly obvious that the "superweapon" was right next to a very, very large explosion. That said, do you think that if every Capsuleer could just fly in and take a look around that it would truly be a secure location? I would hope that the SOCT would not be so reckless.


Remember, blog is in character. There is a difference between what I the player know and what the character would know as fact vs assumption/rumor. I did not expect to find Jamyl's toy.

What I did expect to find there was the mentioned ruined station.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.18 09:09:00 - [850]
 

Originally by: Arvash
Originally by: Deceiver's Voice
Originally by: Arvash
For the record, there is nothing at Roua 10-2.

You really expected to find something there? I mean, it was fairly obvious that the "superweapon" was right next to a very, very large explosion. That said, do you think that if every Capsuleer could just fly in and take a look around that it would truly be a secure location? I would hope that the SOCT would not be so reckless.


Remember, blog is in character. There is a difference between what I the player know and what the character would know as fact vs assumption/rumor. I did not expect to find Jamyl's toy.

What I did expect to find there was the mentioned ruined station.


This is one of the aspects I find ... irritating and disheartening. We follow the clues that point to specific locations in game and all to often find find nothing. Not even dead spaces, just dead ends.

Surely it cannot be that difficult to create a dead space or exploration site even if it is just an empty beacon, LCO or locked gate awaiting development. An enigma.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.12.18 14:39:00 - [851]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
edit: But thus far, my theory stands. I think what we're in the middle of, is a battle to decide whether to stay meat, or become data. It seems that human evolution has a finite destiny. We are fascinated with technology. We start with the basics to make our lives easier, like iron swords and plows, but eventually we innovate to a point where humanity itself is obsolete. Why see the world with gelatinous orbs limited to the visual light spectrum, when we can see with sensors and molecular analyzers - why move around on two legs, or in ships, when we can transmit ourselves anywhere in the universe. To remain human is to accept a set of limitations, and to some, oblivion is preferable. I think the people on the home-side of the Eve gate simply abandoned their humanity, in favour of a more "effective" form of life - i.e. the Enheduanni, and Grious stating that they're "not human anymore." On our side of the gate, there's an element fighting to remain human. An element that treasures humanity, and doesn't want to become data. The Jovians, with their love of children and worship of fetus-tubes, fit the bill nicely. Now the question is, how is that battle being fought?

Have Jovians given the four New Eden empires capsule technology to teach them a lesson about what happens to humans when they are unbound? Are capsuleers, and their constant rampaging kill-orgy, a lesson in action of the consequences of granting the power of god to men?


QFT apart from the home side of the EVE gate stuff.

As for your question. No. The Jove knew perfectly well what they did. A strategic move which means it has to have features that balance out its negative effects. Since the negative effects of pod pilots are much talked about and huge, one wonders what else the Jove knew which offsets that. Oh wait, I have a theory about that.Twisted Evil Capsule technology we know so intimately is the linchpin in the Jove war strategy.

Deceiver's Voice
Posted - 2010.12.19 05:55:00 - [852]
 

Edited by: Deceiver''s Voice on 19/12/2010 05:56:04
Some interesting science news. Cool

Aynen
Posted - 2010.12.19 11:18:00 - [853]
 

That interesting science news made me think of the geztec shuttle, but then, it's way too close to the sun to be using that technique.

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.12.19 13:11:00 - [854]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
But thus far, my theory stands. I think what we're in the middle of, is a battle to decide whether to stay meat, or become data. It seems that human evolution has a finite destiny. We are fascinated with technology. We start with the basics to make our lives easier, like iron swords and plows, but eventually we innovate to a point where humanity itself is obsolete. Why see the world with gelatinous orbs limited to the visual light spectrum, when we can see with sensors and molecular analyzers - why move around on two legs, or in ships, when we can transmit ourselves anywhere in the universe. To remain human is to accept a set of limitations, and to some, oblivion is preferable. I think the people on the home-side of the Eve gate simply abandoned their humanity, in favour of a more "effective" form of life - i.e. the Enheduanni, and Grious stating that they're "not human anymore." On our side of the gate, there's an element fighting to remain human. An element that treasures humanity, and doesn't want to become data. The Jovians, with their love of children and worship of fetus-tubes, fit the bill nicely.


Consider the possiblity that being unlimited and unbound beyond a certain degree is itself limiting and ultimately self destructive.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.12.23 00:40:00 - [855]
 

I really hope CCP throws us a bone soon. All of this postulating is killing me. The sleepers are obviously our history, but will we ever know exactly what portion of it they are? Also, could they have actually caused the closing of the EvE gate? Since a wormhole is what brought humanity to New Eden in the first place, and I believe it was open for several hundred years, it would stand to reason that we would have had time to study it and how wormholes work in general. What caused the "natural" wormhole to open in the first place? We need to know! AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Doctor Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Posted - 2011.01.01 09:18:00 - [856]
 

Damn this is quite the threadnought. Reading through all this is what I get for being the new guy to the storyline sections.

Haven't done any WH stuff on TQ, though I did find a C5 on SiSi that gave some of the aforementioned popups. If there's anything automated that we're supposed to find, I expect it will be there as well.

Oh, and someone earlier (No way in hell am I going all the way back through this thread) asked if we know what planet Soekheviti actually refers to. I think I do. Someone equated it with Sukhavati, which was the abode of Amitābha. He is depicted as being red in color, and when not alone, he's depicted as having two lesser companions. Mars, anyone?

Additionally, the Pure Lands, of which Sukhavati is one, are represented iconographically by the six-pointed star (see Star of David), which hasn't been explicitly mentioned but showed up in an image from the other Sleeper threadnought, first post on page 6 by Sonkut. He was making the argument that it was a wormhole generator, but didn't see the pattern formed by his lines.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2011.01.01 14:26:00 - [857]
 

Interesting how Sukhhavati has 9 levels divided in sets of 3. You know the levels of wormhole classes where 7,8,9 are K-space.

Also the picture of the mirror has an 8 point star in it not 6.

Amorphisis
Posted - 2011.01.03 01:11:00 - [858]
 

Edited by: Amorphisis on 03/01/2011 01:12:44
I couldn't help but notice this statement in one of the threads :

There's something for each Enclave in the mirror. I'm not sure if you recovered each one...? Beyond the mirror...no, it's special.

Which leads me to believe that there are objects in game that when brought to a particular enclave will reveal more information about them. I also noticed while reading the story Anoikis that at the end of the story they list 4 particular in game items.

Data Library / Neural Network Analyzer / Coordinates Database / Drone AI Nexus

I couldn't help but notice how each item ends with stating how valuable the items are and that only a few select people may have some use for them. Also I've noticed that the names of the enclaves are :

The Archive Enclave
The Comunications Enclave
The Medical Enclave
The Oruze Enclave
The Research Enclave "BioGenetics"
The Research Enclave "Theoretical Genetics"
The Research Enclave "Virtual Genetics"
The Security Enclave

I think the Data library would go along with the archive / the network with the comunications / the coordinates with the oruze / the drone ai with the security.

I'm not sure which ones would go with which enclaves however the only way to find out would be to travel there and try it.

This is of course all speculation however has anyone had attempted to bring these items to those enclaves and see what happens. Based only on this speculation i would assume that once the enclaves info is accessed they would reveal how to do what ever needs to be done.

p.s. please let me know if this has already been attempted or if you are successful in figuring it out thanks again.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.03 10:25:00 - [859]
 

Originally by: Amorphisis
The Archive Enclave
The Comunications Enclave
The Medical Enclave
The Oruze Enclave
The Research Enclave "BioGenetics"
The Research Enclave "Theoretical Genetics"
The Research Enclave "Virtual Genetics"
The Security Enclave


Compare this information, and the contents of said enclaves, with this:

http://www.cnsi.ucla.edu/staticpages/core-facilities

Read the descriptions of those facilities very closely.

Also, from the first paragraph:

Quote:
...exploring the power and potential of organizing and manipulating matter to engineer new integrated and emergent systems and devices, by starting down at the nanoscale level that will advance information technology, energy production, storage and saving, environmental well-being and diagnosis, and prevention and treatment of chronic and degenerative diseases.


In short, the Mirror is exactly that: a mirror.

The thing is, can it be used? The research requires understanding of something fairly basic, and something the 4 Empires are only now studying; fullerenes. This is a database, but the tools to use it are still very, very primitive.

It's kind of like sending a modern day hard drive back in time to, say, the 1960's. Sure, someone could understand what's on it, but you'd need the right interface. Would they be available? What's on the hard drive is something else; if it had cutting edge information on applications of nano machines, without having the supporting technology to use it, would it be usable? Heck, even the programming on the device may be confusing.

ugh

Now, we know exactly where the technology that lets Capsuleers read the surface information in the Mirrors is; the Capsule. The Capsule is of Jovian design...

...wait, did I mention that the Jovians are masters of Fullerene technology?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/C3-FTM_Acid_Reaction
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/C3-FTM_Acid

By the way, I think Dropbear linking this particular "find" was a clue. Specifically:

Quote:
...brain cell death and neurodegeneration.


So, every Capsule has life support systems that are designed to prevent brain cell death and neurodegeneration. These same capsules have at least some ability to access information from the Mirrors. We also know that there are individuals in New Eden that can tell if someone accessed a Mirror or not.

One individual in particular, with contacts within the Gallente Senate, was able to access a Mirror. This individual was known, apparently intimately, by a Caldari man. How would these two have met?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crielere

1. The Senate funded it.
2. Ishukone was a founding member of the project along with Duvolle (which is partnered with Creodrone).
3. The research conducted by Crielere led to the use of Morphite in manufacturing.

Morphite
Complex Fullerene Shard

It may just be re-use of art assets, but there is a very well defined pattern here isn't there? I would also suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, there is a very good explanation as to why there is no further information available from the Mirror:

It simply isn't decipherable without the proper tools. It's also a huge database; if these things have been running virtual simulations for millenia, there's a lot of information to sift through.

So, there are a few hurdles to overcome. Technology, communication, frame of reference, and accessibility. Someone has the means to communicate, are looking for the frame of reference, Capsuleers have the technology and accessibility.

(to be continued)

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.03 10:36:00 - [860]
 

(Continued)

In short, what I'm suggesting is this:

1. Someone knew about the Mirrors before everyone else did in New Eden.

2. They used this information to begin the Crielere project.

3. Somewhere, somehow, research is continuing on aspects of the Crielere project. The individuals involved have access to "The Line", and can tell if someone is accessing "The Mirror".

4. This research was applied to the Tech 3 cruisers.

5. The tech 3 cruisers are also a kind of "hint". Database entries on the different parts and wreckage hint at something. The common thread seems to be that this technology was used by the Jove. They have mastered fullerene applications, and moved beyond emergent autonomous system design principles in favor of something "more predictable".

6. It can be easily surmised that the Mirror was the result of early Jovian design.

7. The information in the Mirror, if used improperly, could have easily lead to the Jovian disease; or, the Mirror could have been used to study possible cures.

Where does all this lead? Cool

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2011.01.03 14:01:00 - [861]
 

Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite

Oh, and someone earlier (No way in hell am I going all the way back through this thread) asked if we know what planet Soekheviti actually refers to. I think I do. Someone equated it with Sukhavati, which was the abode of Amitābha. He is depicted as being red in color, and when not alone, he's depicted as having two lesser companions. Mars, anyone?

Oh god /o\

Amorphisis
Posted - 2011.01.04 01:32:00 - [862]
 

Edited by: Amorphisis on 04/01/2011 01:35:02
Originally by: Alana Kel
(Continued)

In short, what I'm suggesting is this:

1. Someone knew about the Mirrors before everyone else did in New Eden.

2. They used this information to begin the Crielere project.

3. Somewhere, somehow, research is continuing on aspects of the Crielere project. The individuals involved have access to "The Line", and can tell if someone is accessing "The Mirror".

4. This research was applied to the Tech 3 cruisers.

5. The tech 3 cruisers are also a kind of "hint". Database entries on the different parts and wreckage hint at something. The common thread seems to be that this technology was used by the Jove. They have mastered fullerene applications, and moved beyond emergent autonomous system design principles in favor of something "more predictable".

6. It can be easily surmised that the Mirror was the result of early Jovian design.

7. The information in the Mirror, if used improperly, could have easily lead to the Jovian disease; or, the Mirror could have been used to study possible cures.

Where does all this lead? Cool


Yes that could all be plausable however that is not what concerns me... what does is this line here :

"There's something for each Enclave in the mirror. I'm not sure if you recovered each one...? Beyond the mirror...no, it's special. "

Now during one of the chronicles which references the person who accessed the mirror i want to say something was implied that they were more of a scientist than a soldier. Which to me is an indication that in order to do the same as they did you will need exceptional skills in research though i'm not sure which ones.

It is hinted at in the chronicle anoikis numorus times in the same fashion that drop has hinted at something more to look for.

Here :

"The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it." this implys control of some kind.

"If the situation is ever understood in its entirety, as you predict, then there will be consequences for these actions." this is similar to what drop has mentioned as well and is found in the story.

"Did you hear of Burreau?"
"Briefly."
"What is your assessment?"
"I believe she is dead."
"You are correct. There was activity on the line. She was at one of the mirrors."
The ambassador almost seemed to smile for a moment. "She learned well."
"She was taught by the best. We are concerned about the reasons why she was chosen. "
"Perhaps you should be, but then there are not many astrophysicists with clones."
"Let us hope it is that simple."
"I would not hope. I would investigate."
"Thank you, ambassador. That is all." - this implies that there is in fact some way to interact with the Mirror.

What needs to be done is all the speculation needs to be left out if your can't reference something from directly in the chronicles or in game material then its not needed and only a distraction. We've been told over and over that its all available in game and in the chronicles.

If theres speculation than its false.

Aka there must be a way to interact with the mirror... There IS something larger going on that were missing.... There MUST be clues that we haven't seen yet or assembled in the proper fashion...

Personally i think that someone should start a corp that is dedicated to this subject and discovering what is currently hidden.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.04 11:51:00 - [863]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 04/01/2011 11:53:39
Originally by: Amorphisis

Now during one of the chronicles which references the person who accessed the mirror i want to say something was implied that they were more of a scientist than a soldier. Which to me is an indication that in order to do the same as they did you will need exceptional skills in research though i'm not sure which ones.



Lets consider the prospects.

1) Infomorph Psychology

Quote:
Psychological training that strengthens the pilot's mental tenacity. The reality of having one's consciousness detached from one's physical form, scattered across the galaxy and then placed in a vat-grown clone can be very unsettling to the untrained mind. Allows 1 jump clone per level. Note: Clones can only be installed in stations with medical facilities or in ships with clone vat bays. Installed clones are listed in the character sheet.

Assume the the mirror houses Sleeper infomorphs, this skill would seem to most likely to facilitate the transition to an infomorph. It increases the number of possible jump clones, perhaps a pilot needs to have a unused clone slot to make some sort of transition.

2) Cybernetics
Quote:
The science of interfacing biological and machine components. Allows the use of cybernetic implants


3) Archaeology, this has been tried.

4) Hacking, this has been tried.

5) Sleeper Technology.

6) Talocan Technology.

7) Takmahl Technology.

8) Yan Jung Technology.

Quote:

"She was taught by the best"


The Society of Concious Thought?

Quote:
"We are concerned about the reasons why she was chosen. "


What where those reasons ? I don't have any insight other than :-
Quote:
"Perhaps you should be, but then there are not many astrophysicists with clones."


Astro - "Star"
Physis - "Nature"

This leads back to previous lines of enquiry, but there is no Astrophysics skill.

Quote:
"I would not hope. I would investigate."



Agreed, but how ?

Tsual
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:04:00 - [864]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

edit: But thus far, my theory stands. I think what we're in the middle of, is a battle to decide whether to stay meat, or become data. It seems that human evolution has a finite destiny. We are fascinated with technology. We start with the basics to make our lives easier, like iron swords and plows, but eventually we innovate to a point where humanity itself is obsolete. Why see the world with gelatinous orbs limited to the visual light spectrum, when we can see with sensors and molecular analyzers - why move around on two legs, or in ships, when we can transmit ourselves anywhere in the universe. To remain human is to accept a set of limitations, and to some, oblivion is preferable. I think the people on the home-side of the Eve gate simply abandoned their humanity, in favour of a more "effective" form of life - i.e. the Enheduanni, and Grious stating that they're "not human anymore." On our side of the gate, there's an element fighting to remain human. An element that treasures humanity, and doesn't want to become data. The Jovians, with their love of children and worship of fetus-tubes, fit the bill nicely.

Now the question is, how is that battle being fought? Have Jovians given the four New Eden empires capsule technology to teach them a lesson about what happens to humans when they are unbound? Are capsuleers, and their constant rampaging kill-orgy, a lesson in action of the consequences of granting the power of god to men?


There's a possiblity we are just easy recruited force fighting in some blood-feud over a philosophical issue regarding evolution of human concious.

Alana Kel
Posted - 2011.01.05 04:31:00 - [865]
 

Originally by: Amorphisis
Yes that could all be plausable however that is not what concerns me... what does is this line here :

"There's something for each Enclave in the mirror. I'm not sure if you recovered each one...? Beyond the mirror...no, it's special. "

Meaning that each enclave has a pop-up window.

Quote:
Now during one of the chronicles which references the person who accessed the mirror i want to say something was implied that they were more of a scientist than a soldier. Which to me is an indication that in order to do the same as they did you will need exceptional skills in research though i'm not sure which ones.

She was an astrophysicist.

Quote:
It is hinted at in the chronicle anoikis numorus times in the same fashion that drop has hinted at something more to look for.

Anoikis: "The state of being without a home".

Quote:
"The capsuleers. They will settle. They will understand the network eventually, and they will command it." this implys control of some kind.

"If the situation is ever understood in its entirety, as you predict, then there will be consequences for these actions." this is similar to what drop has mentioned as well and is found in the story.

Whoever is continuing the research would face consequences. I have theories on who (organizationally) is behind this research; it's not who you'd might think, and not for the reasons you might think. I'm still looking into this line of inquiry.

Quote:
"Did you hear of Burreau?"
"Briefly."
"What is your assessment?"
"I believe she is dead."
"You are correct. There was activity on the line. She was at one of the mirrors."
The ambassador almost seemed to smile for a moment. "She learned well."
"She was taught by the best. We are concerned about the reasons why she was chosen. "
"Perhaps you should be, but then there are not many astrophysicists with clones."
"Let us hope it is that simple."
"I would not hope. I would investigate."
"Thank you, ambassador. That is all." - this implies that there is in fact some way to interact with the Mirror.

It shows that there is a way to monitor the Mirror. Think of it like this; how are capsules able to "monitor" what is on the Mirror when they are close to it? My theory is that this is how those who know what's going on in The Mirror are doing it; latent transmissions emanating from the sites. The Line, a site in W-space, may hold the clue; if the Sleepers and Talocan originated in New Eden, they would need a way to "phone home".

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What needs to be done is all the speculation needs to be left out if your can't reference something from directly in the chronicles or in game material then its not needed and only a distraction. We've been told over and over that its all available in game and in the chronicles.

If theres speculation than its false.

Speculation is good; assumptions are not. You can prove or disprove speculation; assumptions imply a more deeply held belief that will be harder to correct if proven false.

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Aka there must be a way to interact with the mirror...
This is an assumption.
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There IS something larger going on that were missing....

I'd rather not find out now if someone is right or wrong; figuring it out as I go is the most fun I've had in EVE... well, ever.
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There MUST be clues that we haven't seen yet or assembled in the proper fashion...

If we have or have not isn't really an issue, is it? I think Dropbear himself said he'd rather not say if someone was right or wrong. I quite heartily agree with him on this; however, finding a way to "interact" with the storyline may be a bit of a challenge.

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Personally i think that someone should start a corp that is dedicated to this subject and discovering what is currently hidden.

I've considered it actually. I just don't have the time or resources.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.01.05 04:47:00 - [866]
 

Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 05/01/2011 04:47:37
Originally by: Alana Kel
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Personally i think that someone should start a corp that is dedicated to this subject and discovering what is currently hidden.

I've considered it actually. I just don't have the time or resources.


Paging Istvaan Shogaatsu; you mentioned to me in a thread on C&P not too long ago that you had considered doing something for the Eve community but you didn't know what.

Well, this is your time to shine (again). With your resources, we can crack this mystery.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD FRODO

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.01.05 17:18:00 - [867]
 


Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.01.06 00:01:00 - [868]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 06/01/2011 00:01:29
Interesting... maybe I could pull something together.

edit: Anyone live in a hole with a Line site?

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:27:00 - [869]
 

read to page 19, but had to post my random thoughts as my brain is starting to overflow...Shocked

SOE investigate the bright star, and SOE somehow design something that sleepers ignore (zephyr). Coincidence?

Originally by: veryez, from Empyrean age
“He was the last living creature aboard a ship that was hurled through Point Genesis, which – contrary to Empire Lore – was not at all what it seemed. If the Jovians could feel hope…then the hope of an entire race was dying along with him…Emotions weeded out of the Jove’s genetics through countless generations of progressive bioengineering, would have given meaning to the sacrifice that this particular ship had made.” I don’t really know how this ties in, only that it does.
Empire lore says it was a natural wormhole- what if it wasn't?

CCP Dropbear's page 1 link to c3-ftm on pubmed relates to its use to help prevent radiation induced cell death. quite a requirement for long term storage of bodies near a power plant that seems to use radiation collectors. supports the theory that the are (were?) sleeper bodies in stasis "somewhere". ANy other WH compounds with similar RL applications?

Jump-drive control nexus self destruct: Maybe it didn't fail- perhaps the bit they needed to self destruct (maybe the bit that doesn't need a cyno, or whatever) went boom, and we're left with a variant of tech that we already have, rather than something better. Maybe it wasn't a self destruct in the first place, but part of a reaction/operation mode.

solar engineering: Open a wormhole close to a star to direct the energy to the collection unit

Hilen Tukoss. Program Director, Otosela Neuropsychology Center. Any evidence about what corp/faction he/this belongs to? He's deteis, doing surveillance on creodron(senator) and Zainou

Originally by: Strange energy readings
The radiation levels of this site are high but within tolerable limits. Wavelength readouts suggest a large cache of a powerful isotope was once housed here, but no solid traces remain. The level of radiant antimatter can only be explained by an immense--and recent--matter displacement. By the way, incoming hostiles.
What do people assume "matter displacement" means? Explosion, WH transit?

Hypotheses:
  • sleepers lack shields due to shield vulnerabilities with isogen-5. implies either drone proximity to it (collection?), or enemies that use it. Are the buildings with shields actually sleeper buildings or Talocan?
  • military/civilian sites are mixed because with WH technology, there are no front lines/safe havens, all systems are equally vulnerable.



also- anyone tried hacking sleeper sites with the sansha analyzer head in a jar) yet?


Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:38:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon

SOE investigate the bright star, and SOE somehow design something that sleepers ignore (zephyr). Coincidence?

The Intaki Syndicate, not the SOE, designed and developed the Zephyr.


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