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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:00:00 - [811]
 

Sigh... so much for that mystery :F

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:06:00 - [812]
 

Originally by: Wen Jaibao

B) CCP Dropbear is a massive, epic troll

I'm hoping B is not the case but my Internet sense is tingling. Laughing


There is just no way there is some little hidden bit of code implemented somewhere, put there intentionally, that no one has accessed.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:09:00 - [813]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 06/12/2010 00:14:19
Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 06/12/2010 00:09:37
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Wen Jaibao

B) CCP Dropbear is a massive, epic troll

I'm hoping B is not the case but my Internet sense is tingling. Laughing


There is just no way there is some little hidden bit of code implemented somewhere, put there intentionally, that no one has accessed.


That may be true, but if it is that is garbage. I'm sorry, but making something incredibly obscure just means that no one will figure it out, ever.

Edit: And the sleeper tech skill was really scraping the bottom of the barrel for us. That's not a very common skillbook. It reads "Basic understanding of interfacing with Sleeper technology." If there was anything that would have triggered the site, that was it.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:56:00 - [814]
 

I think or maybe hope that there is something really obscure that will, when certain level of knowledge of Sleepers is obtained, reveal the correct actions to take. So it can be something that, when left to chance, can never occur but with enough insight will obvious.

Also obviously you need all four COSMOS Tech skillbooks trained to 5.YARRRR!!

The skillbooks except for the Talocan are quite easy to get and drop relatively often. The Talocan needs a very serious tank. If you are in the right region they are on the market for under or around 100 mil.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:06:00 - [815]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
I think or maybe hope that there is something really obscure that will, when certain level of knowledge of Sleepers is obtained, reveal the correct actions to take. So it can be something that, when left to chance, can never occur but with enough insight will obvious.

Also obviously you need all four COSMOS Tech skillbooks trained to 5.YARRRR!!

The skillbooks except for the Talocan are quite easy to get and drop relatively often. The Talocan needs a very serious tank. If you are in the right region they are on the market for under or around 100 mil.


To truly unlock the mysteries of the sleepers, not only must you do the above, but you must, MUST buy an item on contract called "Sleeper Bridge."

Fortunately, I have the Sleeper Bridge on sale. Please contact me in game for this critical, and real, game item that has the key to all the mysteries of the sleepers, and more.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 03:46:00 - [816]
 

Edited by: Allant Doran on 06/12/2010 03:46:57
I know with what i'm about to say I'm treading of fragile ground, since even within EVE I'm sure this isn't provable and if you enjoy your RP alongside your Fiction, you may tear me apart based on that alone.

*BUT*

In the Amarrian Scriptures, doesn't it make mention that they were, at some point, in contact with a Being of Light that gave them some special or powerful artifact?

Is it possible, not taken so literally, that this 'Being of Light' was actually their Sun? Is it possible that the Sleeper society used the Sun to communicate with a young Amarr Empire?

edit: Spelling.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:15:00 - [817]
 

Well if we wanna go right back to basics, what are we actually trying to find out?

All we have to go on is that 'the capsuleers will understand the network'.

Network of what? If we don't know what we're looking for, how do we find it?

I can think of at least 3 networks.

1) Data transmission: A vast data network exists in W-Space. Is this it?
2) The WHs: Can we manipulate where they go?
3) The Static Gates: Can we reactivate them? We've tried cap transfers, neuts, reps... They seem 'powered up' but someone needs to press the 'on button', whatever that is...

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:26:00 - [818]
 

I think we can safely say about Sleeper space:
The Jove know more than us.(us == capsuleers)
Lianda and therefor Hilen and their corps and Ishukone because Hilen asks for their expertise know more than us.
Sansha knows more than us.
The Sisters and the Syndicate through at least the Zephyr know more than us.
CONCORD knows more than us.
The two unnamed people talking in Anoikis know more than us, whoever they are they are important people.
Jamyl knows more than us.
Hona knows more than us.(Black mountain, the burning life)

So just about everybody is at least partly in on the big Sleeper secret.

Originally by: Aedeal
1) Data transmission: A vast data network exists in W-Space. Is this it?

This is my hypothesis for now. There is a bucket load of evidence to back that up.


Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:37:00 - [819]
 

Originally by: Aedeal

3) The Static Gates: Can we reactivate them? We've tried cap transfers, neuts, reps... They seem 'powered up' but someone needs to press the 'on button', whatever that is...


Whoa wait....wait static gates in Anoikis?....

Rhaegar Thrax
Gallente
Militaris Industries
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:20:00 - [820]
 

Damn, I can't wait till you clever boys figure this out. Until then I'll just check back once in a while to read the next theory you crazy clever types have come up with.

Not being sarcastic here by the way, It's incredible the work you're doing to solve this puzzle. I thank you on behalf of the Eve fiction interested part of the player base

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2010.12.07 23:54:00 - [821]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

How many wormhole corps wouldn't take a Zephyrs to bits and study it to try and repeat the technology allowing it to not get shot by sleepers? How many of those people wouldn't notice a large amount of data stored, hidden sensors, equipment to broadcast the data and hidden software to send the data.



You could try reprocessing a Zephyr. I'd do it myself, but I don't actually have one.

Minmat Sebtin
Minmatar
House of Sebtin
Posted - 2010.12.08 09:30:00 - [822]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Pottsey

How many wormhole corps wouldn't take a Zephyrs to bits and study it to try and repeat the technology allowing it to not get shot by sleepers? How many of those people wouldn't notice a large amount of data stored, hidden sensors, equipment to broadcast the data and hidden software to send the data.



You could try reprocessing a Zephyr. I'd do it myself, but I don't actually have one.


You only get tritanium according to the reprocess window, unless CCP has hidden what you get.

Ra1n Forest
Posted - 2010.12.09 15:16:00 - [823]
 

Edited by: Ra1n Forest on 09/12/2010 15:17:09
Hi boys maby anybody knows what this thing abaut

http://eve-kill.net/?a=invtype&id=13215

just killed sanshas ms

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8244430

if it droped what woud hapaned?

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:44:00 - [824]
 

Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 09/12/2010 17:43:56
Not a lot, I would guess. A small fragment of an (practically) indestructible material is not particularly useful. The fact that it is of Jovian design however, is very intriguing. Anyone who reads I.S. knows that the Sansha have been seen in Jovian space and that Kuvakai has claimed ownership of a Jovian station, but whether he took it by force or was given it is another matter. One that I doubt we will find an answer to until Incursion is fully deployed.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:01:00 - [825]
 

It is beginning to appear as though the Jove are in the throes of a civil war. Or their war with the Enhuadanni has flared beyond their ability to suppress the evidence. The Jove are linked to the Concord systems and it inconcieveable that they didn't have advanced warning of Sansha, unless Sansha has agents within the Jove, or Sansha is possibly controlled by a Jovian or Enhuadanni faction. The Jove, as stated in fiction, are masters of espionage and intelligence gathering.

The appearance of the Rogue Drone super hives, and their architecture, suggests manipulation by the Jove. And the Drones that interact with humanity present a Jovian appearance. It seems as if the Jove may be sending us a message through the Drones. And all the while, we Capsuleers blithely go on destroying the Drones in missioning, ratting, etc..

We very well may be assisting Sansha to eliminate the last of the Jove who wish us no ill..

Haseltine
Posted - 2010.12.10 10:34:00 - [826]
 

Alright, there's so much stuff and speculation here, that I thought it might be useful to just ignore all of it and concentrate on a single thing at a time. Now I'll just focus on what Dropbear said on the first page. Anslo also said much of this earlier, but I'll try to be more specific and avoid speculation as much as possible. The thing is, I don't see any great world-changing theory, which would have mind-blowing consequences, but just a possible way for the sleepers to have survived in their sleep and power their structures and drones for millennia. It's just engineering, basically.

Oruze constructs are energy generators and transformers. They tap into solar power and turn it into electrochemical power sources. If you look at recent real life fullerene research, you quickly notice how scientists are trying to use intercalated fullerene cages as hydrogen storage (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17212430). Then if you look at the picture from the oruze enclave: (http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/Oruze_Enclave_DIR.jpg) , it's quite obvious you see a fullerene cage with a thermoelectric energy source inside.

I suppose the Sleepers don't use hydrogen as we would like to here on present day Earth, but this strange stuff called isogen-5. Sleeper drones also use solid-state fullerite nanomachinery to control and catalyst the energy release from isogen-5 (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Thermoelectric_Catalysts). Somehow this nanomachinery seems to be evolving like biological life and this evolution is necessary to compensate for the instability (the minute changes in chemical composition and electrical flux) in isogen-5. I guess the suberlubricity of these nanomachines is a requirement for the operation of these thermoelectric power cores as well.

I don't know if this is of any use in trying to find out what the Sleepers' motivations are, but I think it's something at least.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.12.10 17:05:00 - [827]
 

Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 10/12/2010 17:05:53
Originally by: Haseltine
Alright, there's so much stuff and speculation here, that I thought it might be useful to just ignore all of it and concentrate on a single thing at a time. Now I'll just focus on what Dropbear said on the first page. Anslo also said much of this earlier, but I'll try to be more specific and avoid speculation as much as possible. The thing is, I don't see any great world-changing theory, which would have mind-blowing consequences, but just a possible way for the sleepers to have survived in their sleep and power their structures and drones for millennia. It's just engineering, basically.
Oruze constructs are energy generators and transformers. They tap into solar power and turn it into electrochemical power sources. If you look at recent real life fullerene research, you quickly notice how scientists are trying to use intercalated fullerene cages as hydrogen storage (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17212430). Then if you look at the picture from the oruze enclave: (http://asbalon.as.funpic.de/Bilder/Eve/New/Oruze_Enclave_DIR.jpg) , it's quite obvious you see a fullerene cage with a thermoelectric energy source inside.
I suppose the Sleepers don't use hydrogen as we would like to here on present day Earth, but this strange stuff called isogen-5. Sleeper drones also use solid-state fullerite nanomachinery to control and catalyst the energy release from isogen-5 (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Thermoelectric_Catalysts). Somehow this nanomachinery seems to be evolving like biological life and this evolution is necessary to compensate for the instability (the minute changes in chemical composition and electrical flux) in isogen-5. I guess the suberlubricity of these nanomachines is a requirement for the operation of these thermoelectric power cores as well. I don't know if this is of any use in trying to find out what the Sleepers' motivations are, but I think it's something at least.

QFT or rather I agree almost completely.Cool

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.10 17:08:00 - [828]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 10/12/2010 17:20:50
My thoughts were that perhaps the nanites were being used to create the Isogen 5. The Druse, formed in Geodes, are the source of the Isogen 5 Fullerites. They are formed by intense heat and pressure, outside of a planet or moon, where can one find intense heat and pressure?

While the nanites are needed to control the reactions of the Isogen 5, they may also be the instrument of it's creation. And also hints at the function of the Oruse Construct. Which, yes, may be a fullurene cage for performing advanced manufacturing.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.10 17:27:00 - [829]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 10/12/2010 17:56:03

Which brings us to a rather unpleasent notion I had. Diamonds are made from Carbon, that has been subjected to intense heat and pressure. Carbon as we know comes from biomatter that has deposited in the landscape. Anyone see what I'm getting at, here? Sad

Some of the Talocan structures ID as holding pens or some such..

Tlaloc was a god that required blood sacrifice, which is why the whole idea of a race injecting themselves into the suns arose, yes? Maybe they were enslaving and injecting others into the suns to create the components used in their advanced manufacturing?

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.12.11 02:48:00 - [830]
 

This whole sun injecting thing i dont see really but that rather unusual carbon source I had thought of too. My problem is there is not a lot pointing toward it. I actually took some friendly tourists on a guided tour of a mirror. Luckily for them no one was interested.Cool


Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.12.13 04:16:00 - [831]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 13/12/2010 04:24:23
Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 13/12/2010 04:17:07
Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 10/12/2010 17:56:03

Which brings us to a rather unpleasent notion I had. Diamonds are made from Carbon, that has been subjected to intense heat and pressure. Carbon as we know comes from biomatter that has deposited in the landscape. Anyone see what I'm getting at, here? Sad

Some of the Talocan structures ID as holding pens or some such..

Tlaloc was a god that required blood sacrifice, which is why the whole idea of a race injecting themselves into the suns arose, yes? Maybe they were enslaving and injecting others into the suns to create the components used in their advanced manufacturing?


I see where you are going with this but you're wrong about the origin of carbon. Carbon is formed in the core of supermassive stars and released when they go supernova. Carbon does not necessarily mean that there was organic activity, neither does the presence of organic compounds.

(to those who do not realize, fullerenes are a fancy way of saying carbon)

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.12.13 10:36:00 - [832]
 

Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 13/12/2010 10:37:57
Originally by: Wen Jaibao
I see where you are going with this but you're wrong about the origin of carbon. Carbon is formed in the core of supermassive stars and released when they go supernova. Carbon does not necessarily mean that there was organic activity, neither does the presence of organic compounds.

(to those who do not realize, fullerenes are a fancy way of saying carbon)


This.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:03:00 - [833]
 

This may have already been covered, and if so, I apologize. It has struck me that Sleepers have been here for quite some time, and that evidence IS the Rogue Drones. If you look at an infested Dominix, the similarities between that ship and any sleeper ship is unquestioned. Then there is that CLEARLY sleeper ship in the Sisters Epic Arc. How did they get here before the WH's opened up for the rest of us?

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.12.14 22:05:00 - [834]
 

Blood Stained Stars Arc was introduced in Apocrypha, iirc. I was under impression that it was meant to have occurred after the wormholes started appearing.

As for Rogue Drones looking like Sleeper Drones... well, they could look similar simply because they were designed by the same people, i don't think it's sufficient evidence in and of itself.

According to the chronicle, Rogue Drones came to being when some Gallente engineer had a "bright" idea of creating combat drones with AI bordering on self-awareness. It would appear that he invented them on his own. One could of course speculate that he might have actually based his invention on something else, but i can't think of any direct evidence to support that.

Well, there also is another peculiar chronicle about those things, which suggests that at least some of them may need organics to fix themselves. Though honestly i can't tell if that chron was written to be informative, or simply to relish the creepy grimdarkness of the Eve universe.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.12.15 14:52:00 - [835]
 

Pesets: I started playing during the Apocrypha expansion, so I was not aware of when the Blood Stained Stars was added. Thank you for the correction. Although, at the end (spoiler to those who have not done this ridiculously long Epic Arc), there is a Rogue Drone hive that just chills out and looks a lot like the constructs in higher-class WH's. CCP Devs being as sneaky as they are, I don't think this is a coincidence.

Lancashirian
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:01:00 - [836]
 

On another, somewhat related note, has anyone visited any of the stars VERY closely in the systems that have shattered planets? I won't have time until later on today, but since the shattered planet events only happened in systems with those types of stars, then there may be something near them...

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:04:00 - [837]
 

Originally by: Pesets
Blood Stained Stars Arc was introduced in Apocrypha, iirc. I was under impression that it was meant to have occurred after the wormholes started appearing.

As for Rogue Drones looking like Sleeper Drones... well, they could look similar simply because they were designed by the same people, i don't think it's sufficient evidence in and of itself.

According to the chronicle, Rogue Drones came to being when some Gallente engineer had a "bright" idea of creating combat drones with AI bordering on self-awareness. It would appear that he invented them on his own. One could of course speculate that he might have actually based his invention on something else, but i can't think of any direct evidence to support that.

Well, there also is another peculiar chronicle about those things, which suggests that at least some of them may need organics to fix themselves. Though honestly i can't tell if that chron was written to be informative, or simply to relish the creepy grimdarkness of the Eve universe.


Not to mention two (extremely well-written, I'd say) chronicles in E-ON Magazine that suggest there's a rogue drone out there with specific interest in mankind's meaty bits and wetware.

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:02:00 - [838]
 

Oh, so even if i read the books, i still won't get the whole story unless i buy the E-ON backlog as well, and even those only "suggest" stuff... ain't that awesome.

But, i thought E-ON chrons are player-written, and as such at least aren't part of the Sleeper storyline. Are they even officially canon?

Hiram Alexander
Caldari
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:26:00 - [839]
 

Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 15/12/2010 23:38:22
Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 15/12/2010 23:33:50
Edited by: Hiram Alexander on 15/12/2010 23:32:55
Originally by: Pesets
Oh, so even if i read the books, i still won't get the whole story unless i buy the E-ON backlog as well, and even those only "suggest" stuff... ain't that awesome.

But, i thought E-ON chrons are player-written, and as such at least aren't part of the Sleeper storyline. Are they even officially canon?


I'd need to hunt for the exact source, but I've read some material re: E-ON chronicles recently, and listened to a Podcast Interview with the main Eve guy in its publishing house. From what I gathered:

  • They take submitted work
    Vet it for quality
    Present it to CCP's fiction people; who sagely mull over it all
    (and if it's given the nod)
    It's published, and becomes official canon.


I'd need to hunt though; to seperate all the info in my brain, and figure out what came from forums and what came from Podcasts... (latest LostInEve, I think it was...)


--HA

Edit 1: Link to Forum Article from E-ON
Edit 2: Spelling...
Edit 3: Link to correct LostInEve Episode (Season 3 - Episode 3) about half-way through the show...

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.12.16 01:14:00 - [840]
 

Edited by: Arvash on 16/12/2010 01:14:20
Originally by: Lancashirian
On another, somewhat related note, has anyone visited any of the stars VERY closely in the systems that have shattered planets? I won't have time until later on today, but since the shattered planet events only happened in systems with those types of stars, then there may be something near them...


I have. There's nothing.

The one place where there is something clearly interesting that close is Geztic, where the shuttle orbits with the "sleeper" inside.


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