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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:39:00 - [781]
 


Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.25 18:28:00 - [782]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris
Actually, more World of Null-A (written by A. E. Van Vogt)

Quote:
Seriously tho, as interesting as this all is, can someone explain to me what problem we are trying to solve? Are we really banging our heads together trying to puzzle out what the story CCP is going to tell us is before they get around to doing so? If so, that seems a foolish waste of time.

The assumption here is that there is something in-game to be "found", and that what we see is the end-state of the story being told. Dropbear said it himself; this is a form of interactive storytelling. There is a meta-plot afoot, and though we may not be able to stop some things from happening, perhaps we can have a hand in nudging things along. ;)

P.S.: OH, and don't forget that Sansha's Nation has some interesting things in store for everyone. What's up with that?


LOL, I just wanna walk away, now. I would say your being rather harsh on the Devs with the Null-A comparison, but, then I might be looking too deep, eh?Laughing

Retcon FTW...

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.11.26 20:51:00 - [783]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Time for four more tabs... YARRRR!!

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Interesting. So 'solar engineering' suggests these guys can build or modify stars. Coupled with knowing that Eve's gates are dependent on certain gravitational arrangements of stars... maybe these guys collapsed the Eve gate. Perhaps to seal it behind themselves while 'sleeping' out some long-term condition on the other side. Or maybe they were trying to re-open it.


Maybe, Razz, but also maybe think about what's observable in simpler terms. Consider other Sleeper technology beyond the Oruze Enclave in the Mirror; there are other things worth factoring into any theory about this avenue of their research.

Maybe also consider the use of solid-state fullerites in making nano-scale machinery (I love, by the way, how EVE Online still hasn't dominated every term, and the science still comes up on some "item searches" Very Happy) that exhibits superlubricity.

The overlap of design goals should become noticeable. The clue, if you can't quite figure it out, is in the name of the Sleepers, and in the question: If you're planning on not being around, as it were, what's your safest, most easily acquired, 100% guaranteed source of electricity?


Tl;dr they put something in the sun.

I don't know if someone brought this up, but I cba to go through 27 pages, so apologies if this has been said.

From what I've understood and through what Dropbear linked here, I'm getting something along the lines that the Sleepers didn't MAKE suns, so much as they added onto them.

OH RLY NAO?!

Here's why. Obviously if you have a space based platform that will be deployed for a long period of time, you need an endless source of energy, especially in war time where refueling may not always be an option (yes I know I'm assuming or implying there was a war, but there's kind of a general consensus that there was some sort of conflict back then). SO!
No routes to refuel
Quarantine effing things up
WAT DO.
You use what's around, I.E. SOLAR POWER.

But wait, that's boring as all hell to assume right? What's that got to do with modifying suns n ****? HERE'S WHAT IT HAS TO DO!
The nano-scale solid-state fullerite based tech dropbear mentioned in time with superlubricity
seems to insinuate a high-resistant nano technology capable of withstanding a FRAK ton of heat and damage.
"Anslo, you're making assumptions again and nothing fact based!"
Oh am I now?
If we look back at the "other things" Dropbear mentioned, the Thermoelectric catalysts seem to focus heavily on injected micro machines that can withstand the super violent nature of the chemical reactions inside of sleeper power cores. Only their most advanced drones have these power cores that require these micro machine.

DESCRIPTION Thermoelectric Catalysts
And then we take a lookey at the description of the Caldari equivalent reverse engineered from said catalyst. Caldari Stealin' mah tech! We notice that these same catalysts were built into the hulls of the Sleeper vessels, but not the micro machines. These are the FUEL catalysts, not the thermoelectric catalysts. I.E. Sleepers had a tendency (it seems)to build main components or needed parts right into the hull, and that modification tech (i.e. nanomachines) were INJECTED.

Ok so what's this gotta do with suns? BACK TO SUPERLUBRICITY.

Simple terms, superlubricity is when friction is almost completely gone. It's when two items PERFECTLY interlink with each other, i.e. Fulerine based nanomachines (continue in nxtpost)

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.11.26 21:07:00 - [784]
 

So, what's that gotta do with anything? Well, if you want lots of power from a potentially limitless source for all of your bases, wat do?
We go the fullerenes with superlubricity and super heat resistance
You got the sun
Let's do business.

The sleepers (with their love of all things that modify original tech [i.e. built-into-hull fuel catalysts and injected nano-machines]) INJECTED superlubricit capable Fullerene based nano-machines similar to those used in their ships into the sun. Why? To collect power for the collectors on many of their enclaves. Now how they get from the sun to the bases is kind of speculation (ok it's total speculation). Perhaps the nano machines, when full, ejected themselves from the sun into space. Sleeper drones, with their super resistant armor, collected and docked at the thermoelectric batterys at enclaves to release the energy from the nanomachines (or maybe the nanomachines themselves) into the enclaves to power them. The sleeper drones then were given new nano machines to send to the sun for more power collecting goodness.

The reason I speculate the Sleepers do this is their lack of shield technology. Some people think the Sleepers just didn't put it in their ships due to lack of room with all the other goodies in their....I doubt it. These guys were a super advanced race, they wouldn't just run out of room. I believe electric (or whatever we use for shields) shield based tech could be disrupted by getting into close proximity of the sun. Thus, disrupting energy collection. So, wat do? Just bypass the hastle all together and use your epic fullerene based tech to make awesome armor to make life easier (I also kind of believe that the sleeper drones in w-space currently are not combat grade, but security and maintenance grade. Maybe shields and more tech were reserved for military grade sleepers...but that's another story).

So what other implications does this have? If you look at Pottsey's thingamajig of Sleeper collected data, there's something in there about a deadspace pocket where radiation inidcated a frakton of isotope was once stored there, and was recently displaced...Isogen-5...wormholes...etc etc...But what did the sun blowing up have to do with making wormholes from the iso-5 explosion?...
OH HAI THAR FULLERENE NANO-MACHINES
Now this is pure speculation...but what if the Sleeper's solar system crippling tech the Sansha will soon be using is based on the Sleeper nano-machine injectable Star modifying tech was also used by the Sleepers as a....last measure?
You're asleep.
You can't do anything if you get attacked and your drones are all blown up.
What to do?
Hide some iso-5 in something someone might blow up, iso-5 blows up, reacts with nano machines in sun. One last FRAK YOU to the enemy by a solar system wide smartbomb-esque explosion, anihilating the enemy. Granted the Sleepers would be effed too but...hey, who knows who or what this enemy they were fighting was. Or who they were trying to keep from getting this virus people speculate they made. WHO KNOWS! I'm just putting together something Dropbear mentioned.

SO, TL;DR- Holy crap sleepers injected fullerene based nano-machines used in their Sleeper drone power cores which have super violent chemical reactions and can withstand said reactions into the suns to collected power and act as a last ditch effort to destroy enemies. They do this cause they find modifying base tech or items (i.e., everything build in together as one unit like their fuel catalysts and other things built into the hull to make it one single item or something like...oh I dunno... A SUN?!)is technologically more efficient somehow with their production process.

....So, any questions? (also, Dropbear, please lemme know if I'm right here...or something...anything...a freakin cookie or bone...SOMETHING!!!)

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.11.26 21:23:00 - [785]
 

Oh and one last thing I forgot. Why did the Sleepers even make their solar system wide explosions in such a way to create wormholes with Anoikis (programed cell death) like attributes?...
I believe they were escape routes. They were opened long enough for Sleepers...or...someone or something, to escape the explosion and hopefully recolonize. But then there's the whole wormholes pointing to other suns business and data streams passing through. The data of an entire society's consciousness is a LOT of data. Perhaps the nano-machines aren't just collecting energy. What if their also collecting the society's escaping souls in the form of data through the wormholes?

What if the bases release trillions of nanomachines ejected towards the wormholes (keeping superlubricity in mind) to go through and link up with nano-machines "docking bays" in the other systems sun to seamlessly link and transfer that society's or "city's" conciousness to be transfered to whatever "cities" were in that solar system (and by city I mean data enclave)?

Anyway...just a thought. Derp.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.11.28 11:51:00 - [786]
 

Was it ever figured out what Oruze Obsyonak (or whatever) meant?

Something occured to me while i was sitting here. I wonder if that device is what creates Stars. ie: There is one in the center of all manufactured (or modified) stars and the ones we find in wormhole space are simply dead stars?

Maybe i'm just rambling now due to being so hungry for some new info xD

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.11.28 13:39:00 - [787]
 

We are all growing quite hungry.


Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.11.28 15:49:00 - [788]
 

GIVE US MOAR HINTS CCP

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.28 16:04:00 - [789]
 

No dont. Although the st. Nicolas gift might be one.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.28 19:25:00 - [790]
 

Originally by: Otocinclus
GIVE US MOAR HINTS CCP

Oh, that would be ruining the fun. You also assume that all the pieces are on the field, that there is something for us to truly do beyond endlessly posting on forums.Cool

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.29 01:22:00 - [791]
 

Some more puzzle pieces to the mystery. I was exploring tangents into Sansha's part in the mystery. I equated Sansha with Marduk, as hinted, what I saw was an immediate implication of bloodline ties between the Kuvakei's and the Sarpati's. Making Sansha the little brother of the Macaper's Prophecies, what think you?

“the cosmetic kiss of the comets”
Still working on this one, considering the particle accelerators, I though perhaps something to do with a collider? Figuring out some quantum formula?

“roaring stone that silences the world.”
Isogen 5

“the appetite of nothing expands over the world”
Sansha's Nation returning

“the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome”
Ties into the Marduk mythology somehow. Marduk is the younger brother of Inanna, implying kinship ties between the Kuvakei's and the Sarpati's. Sansha is the little brother.

This is an implication as to why noone was uplifted at Intaki. The chronicle about the prophecies was introduced because they are relevent. The comet that deafened the planetside population a side explanation to throw off us ghost hunters.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.29 01:36:00 - [792]
 

Which brings us to the next prophecy;

“What was many now becomes one when one becomes four”

The permutations I began to run seem to stretch into infinity
But, I believe it means something like this>

What was many races now becomes one race, when one bloodline becomes four bloodlines
What was many bloodlines becomes one bloodline, when one race becomes four races
What was many bloodlines becomes one race, when one race becomes four bloodlines
What was many races becomes one bloodline, when one bloodline becomes four races

Or something to do with this>

What was many minds becomes one mind, when one mind becomes four minds

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.29 01:42:00 - [793]
 

And the final;

“return of the dark light from the heart of the mother”

The heart of the mother is the Eve Gate. Is someone trying to open it? To set the "gods\demons" free to destroy us? The Eve Gate more and more looks like it keeps something out of New Eden. Also to consider, Marduk was seen as a savior of humanity in the myths.

Aynen
Posted - 2010.11.29 08:20:00 - [794]
 

Roga, you should re-read the article about the prophecies. You missed out that some have allready occured, like the kiss of the comets, and another one where an astroid made everyone on this one planet deaf. All those bits of the prophecy refer to celestrial events. Why would the remaining ones be any different?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.29 14:39:00 - [795]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 29/11/2010 14:41:19
Yes, I did read them. Those are suggested meanings. Nostrodamus' quantrains have been "interpreted" too. Doesn't mean they're right in their interpretation. Doesn't even mean I am.. Wink

Why introduce the chronicle if it wasn't in some way related to fiction?

Quetazal
Gallente
Clann Fian
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:50:00 - [796]
 

Edited by: Quetazal on 30/11/2010 14:04:55
My theory looks a little like this (drawn from the posts in here).

Wormholes are links though time/space.
Talocans exist in the Suns and have had their physical bodys destroyed (more on this below).
The sleepers are collecting new body's for the Talocan to emerge from the suns (where they have been converted into energy to live in their VR world, hence that is why they (sleepers/Talocan) program rogue drones to harvest ISO-5 and opened the EVE-gate.
The sleepers 'possessed' the most of the Jove; the same way Sansha are now contracted by the Talocan to collect new hosts for the sleepers. (sleepers in 'Damsiel in distress prove that the talocan/sleepers extend out looking for hosts).
Sansha use Talocan Tech to kidnap hosts.
The Jove 'infected' the possessed Talocan-Jove during war.
The last of the original unpossessed Jove give capsuleers the capsule tech with a vested interest; to fight the talocan from emerging, as they have decimated the Jove.
Capsuleers go back in time though the wormholes and fight the Talocan, possibly destroying the Talocan's physical bodys which actually kickoff all of the abductions/Jove war and infection.
Talocan have been harvesting bodys though mechanics like the EVE gate for a long time, which is why there is so much old tech from ancient races laying about.

Tsual
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.30 19:15:00 - [797]
 

Edited by: Tsual on 30/11/2010 19:54:10
Well the only thing that would come to my mind is the connection of Talocan -> Tlalocan -> Tlaloc and aztec god of well read in wikipedia.

Tlalocan itself is the fourth heaven, a kind of paradise

What is kind of interesting is that:

In Aztec cosmology, the four corners of the universe are marked by "the four Tlalocs" (Classical Nahuatl: Tlālōquê [tɬaːˈloːkeʔ]) which both hold up the sky and functions as the frame for the passing of time.

Seems to be at least the story theme related to

"The Talocan were masters of Spatial manipulation and Hypereuclidean Mathematics."

Although I could point to some things and geographical directions, Takmahl just doesn't yet make sense except ..

eventually walking the route from some hints here and there ... I conclude that the jovians first empire ... as well as collaps of the eve gate eventually ...
And now I'm not sure any more if I can ever think of the eve gate like before ... is that thing even ...

Okay need something stronger then a beer.

Oh one question about Takmahl ... does that drop in the amarr empire?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 22:20:00 - [798]
 

Yes, and the Ophanim also correspond to the four pillars that uphold the throne of heaven. And they bear a striking resemblence to Sleeper Enclaves. Which makes me think the cardinal directions of North, South, West and East hold some importance. Also, according to alot of traditions, wormhole space looks alot like descriptions of the plane that creation took place in.


Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 22:29:00 - [799]
 

Theosophics uses cardinal directions and have some interesting theories on "existence". Basically they believe that every star, planet, asteroid belt, quasar, etc. is replecated in seven different planes. They use Geometry to work out Euclidian theories.

Evolution works in these dimensions, run by a hierarchy of ascended beings. The idea is equated with beings going to college to earn a degree in ascendency. In a neverending pulse of evolution. These seven different material planes are connected through the stars. As said, they use geometry to see the intersection lines between these planes. Theoretically, if they put a machine, in a certain spot, they might be able to make a gateway into these other 6 dimensions.

Amorphisis
Posted - 2010.12.01 23:21:00 - [800]
 

Edited by: Amorphisis on 01/12/2010 23:22:53
I bet all this leads to being able to control wormholes in some manner. This would explain how Sansha are able to manipulate Wh's to invade at will where they want. They've figured out how to use the Mirror and that's its power. A mechanic like this would be very powerful to an alliance or alliance's that figured it out and managed to control it properly and such power would be explain why all of this is so hard to piece together.

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.12.02 02:08:00 - [801]
 

Originally by: Amorphisis
Edited by: Amorphisis on 01/12/2010 23:22:53
I bet all this leads to being able to control wormholes in some manner. This would explain how Sansha are able to manipulate Wh's to invade at will where they want. They've figured out how to use the Mirror and that's its power. A mechanic like this would be very powerful to an alliance or alliance's that figured it out and managed to control it properly and such power would be explain why all of this is so hard to piece together.


Agreed. Having spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 jumps exploring this mystery, what Eve as a game desperately needs is an alternative to Jump Drives for long-distance movement. If I'm CCP, the pot at the end of this rainbow has BPOs for a wormhole exit location determination device of some kind.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.12.02 02:38:00 - [802]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 02/12/2010 02:38:24
Originally by: Amorphisis
Edited by: Amorphisis on 01/12/2010 23:22:53
I bet all this leads to being able to control wormholes in some manner. This would explain how Sansha are able to manipulate Wh's to invade at will where they want. They've figured out how to use the Mirror and that's its power. A mechanic like this would be very powerful to an alliance or alliance's that figured it out and managed to control it properly and such power would be explain why all of this is so hard to piece together.


I am very doubtful there is an in-game mechanic for controlling wormholes, at least not as planned by CCP. There seems to be some anecdotal evidence that wormholes exit to k-space is some sort of pattern, but this is likely an unintentional artifact of their implementation/coding. Keep in mind: rockets were broken for years because CCP made an order of magnitude error and couldn't be bothered to fix it, despite it only requiring the modification of one little thing in the database. Years. This is not the sort of company that would implement some crazy hidden and hard to access bit of gameplay intentionally. (Unintentionally? Sure. But then it's not part of the storyline so much as another bug/exploit)

Agree though that the current fiction is showing that, storyline wise, wormholes can be controlled to an extent by Sansha.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2010.12.02 04:28:00 - [803]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney

Agree though that the current fiction is showing that, storyline wise, wormholes can be controlled to an extent by Sansha.


I dont know how sansha are opening thir wh-s but its possible that we will have this mechanic to use someday. (on the other hand imho your arguments stand very firmly against that)

Maybe sanshas are not controlling wh-s but merly steering them a bit (closer to planets) and following thir lead.
As far as i know systems that are invaded by sansha in live events are pretty random (maybe i am wrong).

One thing i observed while living in wh (for year and a half now in the same wh)...
I highly doubt that exits are random...and i highly dobut that exits are govern by some mechanics as is mentioned in other threads( connecting close to fleet members etc..).

From my observation wh exits cycle through given "list" of constellations (maybe even systems but i doubt that)that they connect to every new cycle.

For instance... Ls static in class 3 wh... (lets say list in script for that wh is 4 entrys long)
1. spawn - const. A (wh lasts for 24 hours than naturally closes)
2. spawn - const. B (players collapse the wh after 4 hours of life)
3. spawn - const. C (its not activated for 2 days because of high player inactivity in a wh system,than after activated it lasts for 24 hours)
4. spawn - const. D (after C naturally collapsed this one spawned and it run its course normaly)
5. spawn - const. A (but a different system)
etc...

...so in this example players living in that wh system can assume wh spawn at random...
whole cycle from exit to const. A ..to another exit in this const lasted 5 days and 5 and half(during dt timer for wh freezes...confirmed 100%) hours.
if every day new wh was activated cycle would last 4 days...
etc...

Now add ..lets say 15 more constellations on that list...
...and just to mess things up repeat some constellations on the list (on the list of 20 const.-s repeat const. A three times ...const. G two times..etc..)
And you have it...
Wh spawning mechanics.

just my two isk :P

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.02 05:45:00 - [804]
 

I agree, I don't think he is controlling the wormholes so much as exploiting "windows of opportunity".

The hints dropped in the vids are time sensitive. That means he is operating as the opportunity presents itself.

There is a recognizable pattern to wormhole cycling, we just haven't seen it yet, and I still do think we can "bend" the wormhole our way a bit.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.02 10:07:00 - [805]
 

If I wanted to work out something on the Sleepers, I logically would investigate the 'tags' that they drop. For example, the Ancient Coordinates Database. Why is it we can tell what it is, but not actually look into it, yet the NPCs 'can'? Is that telling us that we need to find some NPC that will decode it? Cos logically if you have a database of co-ords leading to a final point, you have no idea what the point is, what the race is doing here and you are immortal, you're gonna go there.

Anyone any ideas? Can you reverse engineer any of it? Mix it up with other RE stuff? Not got the skills to try, but it seems that the NPCs want a lot of them for their research (why else would they buy so many?) so maybe the capsuleers should be doing some. *If* we even can....

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.12.02 16:59:00 - [806]
 

Originally by: Aedeal
If I wanted to work out something on the Sleepers, I logically would investigate the 'tags' that they drop. For example, the Ancient Coordinates Database. Why is it we can tell what it is, but not actually look into it, yet the NPCs 'can'? Is that telling us that we need to find some NPC that will decode it? Cos logically if you have a database of co-ords leading to a final point, you have no idea what the point is, what the race is doing here and you are immortal, you're gonna go there.

Anyone any ideas? Can you reverse engineer any of it? Mix it up with other RE stuff? Not got the skills to try, but it seems that the NPCs want a lot of them for their research (why else would they buy so many?) so maybe the capsuleers should be doing some. *If* we even can....

*ahem*
Serpentis are interested in Yan Jung tech.

There is an interesting item that can be found in Deltole:

Threaded Waypoint Map

What does this do, you ask? Why, it's rather simple, and thank you for asking!

Quote:
This strange map seems to show a route of some sort, but as it lacks the source and destination locations it is of little use.


Interesting, no?

Ancient Coordinates Database

Well, look here, we've got something similar in Sleeper drones! What could this possibly mean?

Quote:
A brief analysis of the technology inside reveals that the database may in fact still be fully functional. The format and layout of the information within suggests it is a list of three-dimensional coordinates, charting a path to some distant place.

Although this device could hold incredibly valuable information, there would only be a handful of people in the entire cluster that could make any sense of it. Finding a buyer may not be that easy.


Quote:
"Consolidate all the data received from the Zephyr program, everything those oblivious capsuleers have given us on wormhole space. Prepare the datacores for immediate transport; a representative from the Sisters of EVE will be arriving shortly to take possession."


Now, we know the following:

Serpentis are interested in Yan Jung.
The Yan Jung left behind something called a "Threaded Waypoint Map".
The Sleeper Drones have something similar, an "Ancient Coordinates Database".
We also know that the Yan Jung immigrated to New Eden through the EVE Gate.

Quote:
I've heard rumors that they've uncovered an important piece of the biggest riddle surrounding the Yan Jung nation.


Dropbear said it himself; the pieces of the puzzle are spread across New Eden, and across a time span reaching back as old as EVE itself. ;) The pieces are in-game; using the Chronicles as a guide of sorts, to help piece the in-game puzzles together is what's needed.

At first glance, I thought I understood it. Right now, I'll admit; I was way off base (but really, not so much; it's that weird of a situation).

I need to work out what I see right now, I'll be posting later today.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.02 18:13:00 - [807]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris

Threaded Waypoint Map

Ancient Coordinates Database


Now the question is, is it up to one of us to put these, and other pieces, together in some actual physical fashion? Or a mere matter of time before more plot unfolds...

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.12.02 19:03:00 - [808]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Amann Karris

Threaded Waypoint Map

Ancient Coordinates Database


Now the question is, is it up to one of us to put these, and other pieces, together in some actual physical fashion? Or a mere matter of time before more plot unfolds...

Well, you could always take a Threaded Waypoint Map, an Ancient Coordinates Database, a Sleeper Data Library, a Neural Network Analyzer, a Sleeper AI Drone Nexus, and a Zephyr; Go to a Mirror; and see what happens.

Probably nothing, but never hurts to try.

You also might want to make sure you don't fire on the locals, but make sure they're there. Might be worth a shot.

http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=13-07-09

Which is why the Zephyr is a really, really good idea. ;)

Oh, and one other thing:

There is a pattern to Sansha attacks. We have PF examples of two people figuring out the pattern. Fermar and a certain individual in The Burning Life.

I wonder, why does the Zephyr use solar sails?

http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-11-10

How would an Intaki polymath be able to design something that could fly next to Sleeper drones? The Intaki Syndicate working with the Serpentis is an obvious link, as the Serpentis study Yan Jung relics.

Why would that be significant? Well, if we look at the link between the descriptions between the Threaded Waypoint Map and the Ancient Coordinates database, perhaps we have our answer.

Also, there is a link between the Serpentis and the Rogue Drones. The Serpentis also paved the way for booster production. Gas harvesters are essential to take full advantage of Sleeper space.

The Serpentis are also linked to the Angel Cartel. The Angel Cartel, as some know, is rumored to have it's hand on Jove technology. Second Empire Jove Technology. Now, what do we know about the Second Empire? Why did they move out of Curse?

If you look at the item database, specifically T3 components and subsystems, there are some definite links to this technology and the Cartel.

So, is anyone else seeing the trail of breadcrumbs?

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.03 00:00:00 - [809]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris
Well, you could always take a Threaded Waypoint Map, an Ancient Coordinates Database, a Sleeper Data Library, a Neural Network Analyzer, a Sleeper AI Drone Nexus, and a Zephyr; Go to a Mirror; and see what happens.

Probably nothing, but never hurts to try.

You also might want to make sure you don't fire on the locals, but make sure they're there. Might be worth a shot.

http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=13-07-09

Which is why the Zephyr is a really, really good idea. ;)


I've been trying to find a mirror for a while. No luck yet.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.12.05 20:26:00 - [810]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 05/12/2010 22:20:57
My corp just tried everything we could think of to get the mirror to do something, anything. We scanned the enclaves, they had zero capacitor, so we tried energy transferring the enclaves with carriers. Nothing, couldn't even use them on the enclaves

We then parked tech 3s over every single enclave at once. Nothing.
Tried to use an analyzer/codebreaker/salvager from those t3s at once. Couldn't activate them.
Even dug up an alt with the skill "Sleeper Technology" and tried doing things to the enclaves with it. Nothing.

People have podded themselves at the mirror and gotten no results. People have pretty much done every conceivable thing that could be done at this point at the mirror and gotten NO results. So I'm calling shenanigans. Either

A) Need to have a certain number of NPC buy orders filled for the sleeper loot to progress the story, or some similar, ultra obscure set of circumstances needs to be fulfilled.
or
B) CCP Dropbear is a massive, epic troll

I'm hoping B is not the case but my Internet sense is tingling. Laughing


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