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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 18:01:00 - [751]
 

That's the thing, it does, you're right. Just like the Sun worshipping Talocan hints at both the Minmatar and the Amarr. More duality. And finding balance.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.21 20:47:00 - [752]
 

Ok im convinced.

Going from the Enheduanna wiki.
Quote:
"high priestess ornament of An" (An being "the sky" or "heaven").
Heaven, Talocan, Sleepers. Makes sense.

But more importantly
Quote:
En-hedu-ana came to honor Inanna above all the other deities


Going from Inanna
Quote:
She stirs confusion and chaos against those who are disobedient to her


Cosmos as in Cosmos constellations
Quote:
It originates from a Greek term κόσμος meaning "ordered world" and is the antithetical concept of chaos.

Also Cosmos gets us into the realms of Henosis, the stuff Roga has been right about.Cool

More stuff
Snakes_and_ladders
I thought maybe W-space being the board but wormholes might be a little too random.

Also Inanna/Ishtars descend into the underworld causes stuff on the earth to die and stop being fertile which draws big parallels with the Jove. Also there is mention of the Bull of heaven. Again the Jove, Heaven constellation and Jove and Angel logos.

It may not make sense at first.Cool

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.11.21 23:39:00 - [753]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 21/11/2010 23:41:32


I think people may need to step back and realize that the same small group of programmers who made Eve, broke rockets, and broke the mail client probably don't have some grand overarching consistency or plan to the lore that is much deeper than what is presented in the chronicles. We're not examining a real world, but a created world, and the key to knowing a created world is knowing the creators. We know that CCP Dropbear and CCP Abraxas are both interested in Sci fi, and CCP Abraxas is interested in making literary references while CCP dropbear is interested in making scientific references. So, looking in those directions may prove fruitful. But starting or ending from the assumption that there is a grand, coherent and unified EVE plotline is directly contradicted by the old fluff saying things at odds with the current fiction.

To wit:

Quote:
There are several strict limitations on jump gate travel. First of all, jump gates can only be constructed in systems with two or more suns, because of the resonance nodes. This effectively makes one in every three systems ineligible for jump gate construction.

Secondly, only one jump gate can be in operation in a system at any given time. This is due to the erratic fluctuations in the resonance fields caused by a mass boson sphere; if more than one such sphere is active at the same time in the same system, they both become highly unstable and impossible to operate.


from http://www.eveonline.com/background/jump/jump_03.asp

We aren't seeking truth, we're seeking fiction, and fiction is made by very fallible humans. Fiction changes. Reading the eve fiction over time, it is clear this is not a consistent and well-defined universe we're in.

Looking for wikipedia entries on ancient Sumerian myths/histories is only useful to the extent CCP Dropbear, CCP Abraxas and other CCP employees involved with the fiction might be using those same wikipedia entries or concepts. Without any evidence to this effect, it's useless.


TL;DR

Don't go too far down the rabbit hole. It's fiction made by a handful of different people over a few years, not some long lost civilization.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 23:56:00 - [754]
 

Ya, the thing is, I kept looking around the edge of the rabbit hole and it sucked me in, looking for an answer near the top just draws you deeper in.

Chutes and ladders, interesting, I had not found that. My thinking was that the map almost had o be based upon the Mandala.

Narrowing it down to a specific concept has proved fruitless, so far..

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.22 00:34:00 - [755]
 

Some other clues to be considered;

The use of in game boosters and their relationship to Soma. An also obvious correlation to Quafe.

The correlation between the Blood Raiders, Serpentis, Guristas, etc. and the Thugee.

And there are alot more. I am certain I have found but a fraction.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.11.22 01:06:00 - [756]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Some other clues to be considered;

The use of in game boosters and their relationship to Soma. An also obvious correlation to Quafe.

The correlation between the Blood Raiders, Serpentis, Guristas, etc. and the Thugee.

And there are alot more. I am certain I have found but a fraction.


At this point, you might well not be uncovering the fiction as created by CCP so much as writing your own. Which is fine, but I'm just saying, I wouldn't expect wikipedia entries and historical references to necessarily have any bearing on the Eve universe unless the authors who craft that universe share those impressions.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.22 01:12:00 - [757]
 

Also the Cow motif is all over Eve. The Cow is sacred in India. It is reflected in the Amarr symbol, the Angel Symbol, the Khanid Symbol and maybe the Jovian Symbol.

The cross someone snapped a photo of was in a Gallente station, I believe. I am unsure of it's relevence, honestly.

Everything I have seen points to a "Hindi Genesis", so to speak. The prior Age(Sun) was rooted in polytheistic sun worship, we have evidence of this in the Talocans. In the classic duality sense we have the diametricly opposed concepts being played out in history. A strong argument for the thesis. Also, a theoretically supposed Second Age of giants fits into the overall theory as well, and it is supported in game.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.22 01:56:00 - [758]
 

Emperor : I said earlier something along the same line. It is just a lot of fun and educational.Very Happy

The thing is just about 80% of ships is named after ancient gods and we live in New Eden. So something is up. And when you think something like Soma is just a step too far it tells you that it was featured in "Brave new world" by Aldous Huxley.

I thought it sounded a bit like Ametat, Amduat.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.11.22 09:18:00 - [759]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Roga Dracor
Some other clues to be considered;

The use of in game boosters and their relationship to Soma. An also obvious correlation to Quafe.

The correlation between the Blood Raiders, Serpentis, Guristas, etc. and the Thugee.

And there are alot more. I am certain I have found but a fraction.


At this point, you might well not be uncovering the fiction as created by CCP so much as writing your own. Which is fine, but I'm just saying, I wouldn't expect wikipedia entries and historical references to necessarily have any bearing on the Eve universe unless the authors who craft that universe share those impressions.


Gotta agree with this guy.
Dropbear himself said not to go so deeply and just look at things that are more in plain site than hidden or Metaphorical.
The answer is supposed to be RIGHT in front of us, not hidden away among wikipedia links of real-life ancient civilizations.

I honestly think everyone solving this just needs to take one large step back, regroup your thoughts and look at what you have among solid facts, not wikipedia articles of things so abstract when the answer is supposed to be 'right there'.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.11.22 09:27:00 - [760]
 

The human mind finds links where there are none, it's pretty good at it. But I think we *are* dealing with something big here, just from the list of involved parties. Like I said, I'm writing something to deal with it that may help summarise the buildup, but I agree that we need to stop quoting wikipedia at each other and look infront of our faces. I took a step back and looked at it again, saw a lot that I'd missed.

And going back to the original question, why not rogue drones, don't be too fast to discount them, they're in on it, willing or not however.... the robotics Sansha Slaves? Who knows!

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.11.22 11:09:00 - [761]
 

Originally by: Aedeal
The human mind finds links where there are none, it's pretty good at it. But I think we *are* dealing with something big here, just from the list of involved parties. Like I said, I'm writing something to deal with it that may help summarise the buildup, but I agree that we need to stop quoting wikipedia at each other and look infront of our faces. I took a step back and looked at it again, saw a lot that I'd missed.

And going back to the original question, why not rogue drones, don't be too fast to discount them, they're in on it, willing or not however.... the robotics Sansha Slaves? Who knows!


I'm not well versed enough with the fiction to take it beyond this question i'm about to propose but i hope it's a good question for others to dwell on.

''Rogue'' implies they've gone against instruction, off the rail as it were. That's only how we see them. How do we know Rogue Drones aren't doing exactly what they're supposed to.

Wasn't it 'Rogue' drones harvesting Isogen-5? Sounds like an awefully planned thing if you ask me, considering how significant Isogen-5 has been in the opening of Wormhole space to us.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.11.22 12:16:00 - [762]
 

Originally by: Allant Doran
Originally by: Aedeal
The human mind finds links where there are none, it's pretty good at it. But I think we *are* dealing with something big here, just from the list of involved parties. Like I said, I'm writing something to deal with it that may help summarise the buildup, but I agree that we need to stop quoting wikipedia at each other and look infront of our faces. I took a step back and looked at it again, saw a lot that I'd missed.

And going back to the original question, why not rogue drones, don't be too fast to discount them, they're in on it, willing or not however.... the robotics Sansha Slaves? Who knows!


I'm not well versed enough with the fiction to take it beyond this question i'm about to propose but i hope it's a good question for others to dwell on.

''Rogue'' implies they've gone against instruction, off the rail as it were. That's only how we see them. How do we know Rogue Drones aren't doing exactly what they're supposed to.

Wasn't it 'Rogue' drones harvesting Isogen-5? Sounds like an awefully planned thing if you ask me, considering how significant Isogen-5 has been in the opening of Wormhole space to us.


The chronicle says that the Gallente experimented with more advanced drone versions, which eventually became self-aware. They then constructed more of themselves, improved themselves etc. In the Bloodstained Stars arc the Gallente say that they are having drones hacked and 'stolen' from them. Someone is using the rogue drones *and* non-rogue drones. Whether the rogues are all part of it I'm not sure, I'm gonna hedge my bets that they're partially aware, but given they aided the destruction of the Superweapon Abaddon, I'm not so sure where they exactly stand, especially since they were hacked to allow the Blood Raiders past.

If you want more teasers, how does SoCT recruit 'anybodies' off the street and turn them into the top people in the universe? And why are SoCT 'guarding' the secrets of the Sleepers?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.22 14:44:00 - [763]
 

I looked into the snakes and ladders a bit more. The game is based on the concept of a Markov Chain. My math skills are sub par. Anyone know if this could be the method of wormhole spawning? And can these equations be used to predict wormhole spawning?

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.11.22 15:14:00 - [764]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
I looked into the snakes and ladders a bit more. The game is based on the concept of a Markov Chain. My math skills are sub par. Anyone know if this could be the method of wormhole spawning? And can these equations be used to predict wormhole spawning?


But where in the EVE fiction do you get the idea that a Markov Chain is relevant? We already have the answers in-game and in surrounding fiction, like chronicles. We just need to really look at what we have, not what is implied elsewhere.

CCP Dropbear is probably already rolling in his grave and he's not even dead :(

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.11.22 16:10:00 - [765]
 

Edited by: Arvash on 22/11/2010 16:12:32
Originally by: Allant Doran
CCP Dropbear is probably already rolling in his grave and he's not even dead :(


No, laughing all the way to the bank.

But seriously, while the theoretical backstory is interesting and it's clear that Dropbear is a Wikipedia fan, I have taken to refocusing on what is IN GAME. And the sad fact is, it's not much and it's not obvious.

I was talking with a corpmate who is just discovering the storyline, and it was refreshing to have that new point pf view again. He put it very well when he said to me "CCP doesn't need to give away the story, just to confirm that there is or is not in fact an item in space that is waiting for somone to interact with it in the right way, but no one has found/activated it yet."

Right now, it feels too much like a snipe hunt.

At the moment, my opinion is that our most promising tidbit in game is the shuttle at Geztic (A0 Blue star like the shattered planets). I also suggest that people take a look at The Hyperbole Nexus in Barkrik, another A0 Blue. Finally, I've begun some preliminary investigations and my early conclusions are that ice mining systems seem overly likely to be blue suns, many of which are A0.

Do we have a database reporter who can generate a list of A0 sun system landmarks and DED sites so I dont have to click every single system in Dotlan? Very Happy

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.11.22 18:30:00 - [766]
 

Some snipe for you all to munch on.


From the shuttle thread:
Originally by: Amann Karris
There's a beacon site in Minmatar space that says something about before fluid routers and communication crystals (see Kyonoke Pit for information on those), there were places that "echoed" with other locations in New Eden.

And from the entrance text for The Hyperbole Nexus:
Originally by: The Hyperbole Nexus
Before the technology for employing crystals for faster-than-light communications was invented various other techniques were used to bolster celestial communications. Half a millenia ago the Amarrians discovered a space phenomenon, places in space that seemed to echo with other similar places elsewhere. They learned to tap into these echoes, greatly boosting the strength of communication devices. Though these places are today largely neglected, there are some people that feel a connection to them. The Hyperbole Nexus is one such place.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.22 18:37:00 - [767]
 

I concur, Roga is going to begin the Blood Stained Stars arc within a day or two.

I get the feeling that maybe the "Sleepers" are looking for something in k space. A hint or something they found amonst the Talocan ruins.

I also get the feeling the items the npc's are collecting are part of creating an "interface" to their "datacores".

Perhaps the lost "Crown" of the Amarr is the interface model. It seems that several cultures are searching for it.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.22 19:55:00 - [768]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
I concur, Roga is going to begin the Blood Stained Stars arc within a day or two.

I get the feeling that maybe the "Sleepers" are looking for something in k space. A hint or something they found amonst the Talocan ruins.

I also get the feeling the items the npc's are collecting are part of creating an "interface" to their "datacores".

Perhaps the lost "Crown" of the Amarr is the interface model. It seems that several cultures are searching for it.

Pay particular attention to the Amarr part of the epic arc. Look at the scenery. I think there's an Ammatar structure in one mission that may look familiar if you're familiar with the Talocan structures in W-space.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:36:00 - [769]
 

Originally by: Arvash
Some snipe for you all to munch on.


From the shuttle thread:
Originally by: Amann Karris
There's a beacon site in Minmatar space that says something about before fluid routers and communication crystals (see Kyonoke Pit for information on those), there were places that "echoed" with other locations in New Eden.

And from the entrance text for The Hyperbole Nexus:
Originally by: The Hyperbole Nexus
Before the technology for employing crystals for faster-than-light communications was invented various other techniques were used to bolster celestial communications. Half a millenia ago the Amarrians discovered a space phenomenon, places in space that seemed to echo with other similar places elsewhere. They learned to tap into these echoes, greatly boosting the strength of communication devices. Though these places are today largely neglected, there are some people that feel a connection to them. The Hyperbole Nexus is one such place.


You forgot Yulai. ;) B0 (Blue) Star.

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:12:00 - [770]
 

This topic is the most addicting thing I've ever read on a gaming forum. It doesn't help matters that, the more i learn, the more EVE is becoming my favourite fiction.

I just want to apologise to everyone for not being able to add my own theories or anything too fully, I may never be able to but i love where this is going and i'm keeping track of all this. I want to be there the moment the mystery is unraveled.

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:41:00 - [771]
 

Originally by: Allant Doran
This topic is the most addicting thing I've ever read on a gaming forum. It doesn't help matters that, the more i learn, the more EVE is becoming my favourite fiction.

I just want to apologise to everyone for not being able to add my own theories or anything too fully, I may never be able to but i love where this is going and i'm keeping track of all this. I want to be there the moment the mystery is unraveled.


Growth in knowledge and understanding of this story follows the Hype Cycle. You have been warned. Wink

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:54:00 - [772]
 

Edited by: Umega on 23/11/2010 02:45:45
So lets toss in some ingame facts, hints, what have you into the mix...

First off, from Blood-stained arc. They talk of something other manipulating the drones to behave differently. When you look at the Mysterious Drone, it is clearly a Sleeper Ship. Instead of doing the Tracking Queen part, the other one you chase this ship.. through Spatial Rifts the ship creates itself, these rifts act like acc gates before it ends in Burning Down Hive where Dagan pumps the ship full of lead in his obvious SoCT designed ship. Those Spacial Rifts also look like the EVE Gate, but thats just wild speculation and a matter of imo.

As brought up above me.. when it comes to the Amarrian part of the arc.. you will come across..

This.

See it? Painted right on top of that dome, I see..

This.

Notice the flames around the Amarr statue at the base. Looks kinda like.. a Sun. And for those wondering.. the statue is pointing directly to the East, after I figured its position to nearby stellar bodies and stargates in the Lisudeh system.

Also.. the Ammatar Holy Dome. Sorry, no pic. To me.. looks like one hell of a massive ship as it seems to have thrusters. Reminded of the Oruze Contruct with it's Five Points steaming from the base in sorta like the figure of.. a Hand. This aspect I'm unsure if means much.. or means a hell of a lot. My intial instincts say.. some early part of current Reclaiming, or a Reclaiming that took place long ago and now lost to history, or.. idk. I feel like it's something. Reguardless.. what comes of that part of the arc is that Dagan, using Jovian alphabet.. has sent information about the Amarrian Empire's knowledge of pre-jovian tech to.. doesn't say.

Now moving away from that arc.. I have something else to put forth.

This comes from an excalation incurred when I had done an exploration combat site I scanned down, either it was a Desolate Site, or Haunted Yard. I do not remember which it was. In one of the areas I came across...

A collection of Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar ships. Full fuctional, undamaged in drone controled pocket.

At the end of the event.. I came across..

Holy Mother of Particle Accelerators.

I personally have noticed a lot of Particle Accelerators devices in drone controled pockets in my journies. I believe they are important.. especially that one as I've never seen another before or since. Another thing about Particle Accelerators I think is worth noting, but speculation.. I believe they are the hidden gem of the Crielere Incident. Ishukone has via the theft by the CEO.. and I believe Gallente has when the two scientists writings were found on the wall in the cave where they died. Importance.. unsure yet.

Also.. the asteroids we all have seen that appear to have been perfectly sliced open by, something. I see these 'cloven' asteroids and drones in same space many, many, many times. Coincidence? Or something more..

"Light-bluish crystal, formed by intense pressure deep within large asteroids and moons. Used in electronic and weapon manufacturing. Only found in abundance in a few areas."

The description of Isogen mineral.

People want ingame info.. well here you go folks. Hope it helps lube some mental gears.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.23 00:41:00 - [773]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 23/11/2010 00:43:33

Yes, just running the first parts of the arc now, the cloven asteroids pose a possible source to the Isogen 5, I agree.

Also of note, I have faced three factions now, Serpenti and Blood Raiders and Rogue Drones. All interested in the same occurence as the Sisters and Concord.

Also of note, every site has had ships of opposing factions littered about as wrecks. The Amarr vs. Matari and Caldari vs. Gallente.

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.11.23 02:01:00 - [774]
 

Umega - Do you recall what system you found the Mother of All Particle Accelerators in? I'd put odds that the star in the background is either an A0 or an O1.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.23 02:42:00 - [775]
 

Originally by: Arvash
Umega - Do you recall what system you found the Mother of All Particle Accelerators in? I'd put odds that the star in the background is either an A0 or an O1.


No clue. Was about 4 months ago when I came across that. At that time, I personally did not know about the relevence of 'blue' stars. I like taking pics, and I felt like that thing was important and well, cool looking so I took the pic. It's just coincidence I grabbed the star in the shot with that thing.

I wish I could remember if it was the Desolate site or Haunted Yard exploration site. I been hunting them down lately mainly for the purpose to see if it results in a similiar star, but either no branch off into escalation or it randomly ends on first event. Been wondering if that thing is responsible for producing Isogen-5 from Isogen and/or whatever else. I think certain particle accelerators in the game are important, for what purpose tho.. I don't know. This particular accelerator falls in that list, imo.

So if I can grab that escalation again to its end point, and have it result in such an important star class again. Might be onto something.. and if not, can cross that theory of its purpose off the list.

If I remember correctly.. during the escalation, while I was chasing them around.. it mentioned something about the drones seeming to be transporting around. Something transport.. idk, memory is a lil foggy of the event which is another reason why I want to do it again.

Tyme Xandr
Gallente
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.11.23 07:00:00 - [776]
 

You guys are great. Ive spent the last 14 hours straight on the computer reading this and several other threads and sublinks and articles and chronicles ... and EVERYTHING due to these threads.

On the other hand, my wife is really ****ed at me. I've compiled a good list of ideas, pictures, and CCP guys thoughts and (not even sure if i can call it this) information.

I live in a C5 wormhole and i am going to start cataloging all the holes we scan out daily and after I have made a list i deem long enough I plan to share it with some of the smarter brains in here. No names ofc.

Great work guys. You may have just wrote the story for them.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:51:00 - [777]
 

I've got the first draft ready, anyone know a decent free file hosting site?

WraithEye
Posted - 2010.11.24 20:53:00 - [778]
 

Mystery Solved.

It's Babylon 5 Folks.

Amarr = Centauri
Minmatar = Narn
Gallente = Mimbari
Caldari = Human
Jove = Vorlon
Sleepers = Shadows

Seriously tho, as interesting as this all is, can someone explain to me what problem we are trying to solve? Are we really banging our heads together trying to puzzle out what the story CCP is going to tell us is before they get around to doing so? If so, that seems a foolish waste of time.

Conversely, if there was something INGAME to do with this knowledge or about this knowledge, that would be different. Having an MMO inwhich the players can have a lasting world impact is something Ive wanted for years. If thats whats going on here, im a lifetima fan. If, on the other hand, this was all some grand thought expirement helping CCP write their fiction for them, Im gonna be pretty steamed.

Devs have been silent on this point far too long. What is the deal here? Is there something ingame for us to do or not?

Cheers!
-W.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.24 23:17:00 - [779]
 

Originally by: WraithEye
Mystery Solved.

It's Babylon 5 Folks.

Amarr = Centauri
Minmatar = Narn
Gallente = Mimbari
Caldari = Human
Jove = Vorlon
Sleepers = Shadows

Actually, more World of Null-A (written by A. E. Van Vogt)

Quote:
Seriously tho, as interesting as this all is, can someone explain to me what problem we are trying to solve? Are we really banging our heads together trying to puzzle out what the story CCP is going to tell us is before they get around to doing so? If so, that seems a foolish waste of time.

The assumption here is that there is something in-game to be "found", and that what we see is the end-state of the story being told. Dropbear said it himself; this is a form of interactive storytelling. There is a meta-plot afoot, and though we may not be able to stop some things from happening, perhaps we can have a hand in nudging things along. ;)

Dropbear said, "by the time things are figured out, hopefully there will be something more to do than post on forums" (or something, I could be misquoting).

There are some things coming in Incursion that might shed more light on the situation. Namely:

Quote:
Conversely, if there was something INGAME to do with this knowledge or about this knowledge, that would be different. Having an MMO inwhich the players can have a lasting world impact is something Ive wanted for years. If thats whats going on here, im a lifetima fan. If, on the other hand, this was all some grand thought expirement helping CCP write their fiction for them, Im gonna be pretty steamed.

There's nothing in-game yet.

Quote:
Devs have been silent on this point far too long. What is the deal here? Is there something ingame for us to do or not?

Cheers!
-W.

Technically? They haven't.

The pieces of the puzzle are there. There are also only three real big "mysteries", and they may or may not be connected.

1. What is Hilen Tukoss looking for from Ishukone?
- either their experience with Rogue Drones via Gariushi, their experience with the Jove, or both.

2. What is important about Intaki other than it's manufacturing ability?

- the Intaki themselves; the Reborn in particular have helped develop improved cloning techniques. ;)

3. What is the Mirror, and how is it tied into the Zephyr project?
- What is in it? There's huge hints there.

4. Why are both the Sleepers and Talocan in W-space, and were they there at the same time?
- Probably not something that will be simple to answer.

5. How are the Jove involved in this?
- Everyone seems to look to the Jove for answers; what if they don't have the answers themselves, and are simply "playing it by ear"? What's more terrifying, the Jove unleashing some menace willfully, or unintentionally setting the wheels of Armageddon in motion?

There are probably a few more. Are they interconnected? Definitely, at least at a meta-level. Are they all connected to the "mystery" of the Sleepers, the Rogue Drones, and everything? Possibly. Those are the things that we probably won't be able to answer right now, but we can set down the path, and down the road understand in full glory how totally DOOM'D we are. Very Happy

P.S.: OH, and don't forget that Sansha's Nation has some interesting things in store for everyone. What's up with that?

Dinkelsen
Onyx Commando
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:23:00 - [780]
 

I have been thinking about something. The chronicle "The Vitrauze Project" has a line:

> Once again into the darkness, and for a moment she could almost feel that
> wind on her face, as the data that represented who she was failed to cross the river back home.

CCP Dropbear hinted that this chronicle was about Liandra going to the Mirror and dying there. The above quote could mean that she self-destructed her pod at the site, her mind was digitized by the pod's scanner and transmitted to the cloning station, but: "failed to cross the river back home". Maybe the mirror enclave she visited (the one that felt new and alive) somehow intercepted the data and she became an infomorph and lives inside this structure.

There is another paragraph describing Liandra talking to someone in a holo-environment and after it ends, she is left in complete darkness. If she really died in the above quote this paragraph would happen after her death...

I tried to find a Class-6 wormhole to test this myself, but due to limited game time and horrible luck I couldn't find one, not even on SiSi (and I am not sure if it works on the test server) I intendet to self destruct my pod at the mirror structure and see what happens.

Has anyone tried this before? Does it make sense?


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