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Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.14 07:41:00 - [691]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 08:04:59
Ahh, yes it does..

So the Sleeper structures equate to a CONCORD of sorts for the Sansha's Nation. The destroyed planets are the first salvo in Sansha's coming war. Sansha has digested alot of Jovian knowledge and likely wiped out the Jove assisting him. He has found ways to minimize the impact of capsuleers against his nation, likely enacted through the Sleeper structures.

Blind Witness
Posted - 2010.11.14 08:02:00 - [692]
 

Originally by: Umega
Cosmogony

Wink

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.14 08:30:00 - [693]
 

Edited by: Amann Karris on 14/11/2010 08:35:06
Originally by: Nikita Alterana
This might be helpful:

Quote:
Do you know what you are capsuleer?The Truth will not comfort you.
You are a frightened child running headfirst towards oblivion.

And I?
I am the one who tried to stop you.
I am the Messiah you turned against.

You Persecuted me, hunted my children.
Vowed to burn my promised land to ash.

Now I have returned, and I know you better then you know yourself.

I will vanquish your fear, and commute your flesh to dust.


Hopefully, my line of reasoning there is correct.
Everything is connected. It just might not make sense at first.

Just a little bit off, but a good start.

These are the real important questions to think about in relation to Sleeper Space:

Why are these drones here? What are they hiding?
Why is there a Sleeper station near these Talocan ruins?
Why are these two ancient races, so utterly disparate, sharing this space, and to whom does this outpost belong?

I found those in Jowen's PDF (Jowen Went to Whiskey Space, available from eve-files.com), a wonderful resource for W-space study. They're the questions raised in W-space, that are explicitly stated in the entrance pop-ups in certain sites. Can we answer these questions? Those questions are very, very important.

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 08:04:59
Ahh, yes it does..

So the Sleeper structures equate to a CONCORD of sorts for the Sansha's Nation. The destroyed planets are the first salvo in Sansha's coming war. Sansha has digested alot of Jovian knowledge and likely wiped out the Jove assisting him. He has found ways to minimize the impact of capsuleers against his nation, likely enacted through the Sleeper structures.

Getting ahead of yourself there. Wink Take a step back. Sleep on it. Come back fresh and renewed. You might have a different perspective after letting it simmer for a while.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.11.14 09:09:00 - [694]
 

Please don't act like an authority because it irritates people. There was a theory lying around which basically says W-space is a maze layed out by the Sleepers as a testing ground, to test and observe our capabilities in battle. I think this is a very dangerous theory in the sense that it is leaking real life CCP considerations into the game universe. Game machnics is designed to be in a balance of difficulties, in different areas/stages, of cause, because it's a MMO and it needs to be what it is. But that doesn't mean there is an IC reason for it; I think it's very dangerous to think that Sleepers created these balances and they are watching us, because the same can be said about the entire game universe and the ultimate theory one can achieve IC will be "we are all just programs in a simulation and there is no way we can find out who created us".

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.14 09:30:00 - [695]
 

Amann Karris.. if you have a theory, post it. Please.

Make your case, post your information. Let your peers absorb and decide if it warrants consideration. Your ideas might be right, or borderline right that they push people's thoughts towards discovering the correct path.

You may be completely wrong.

Why are you talking and acting like you are 100% right in every single one of your thought processes?

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.14 12:03:00 - [696]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris
I found those in Jowen's PDF (Jowen Went to Whiskey Space, available from eve-files.com), a wonderful resource for W-space study.

Does this mean you have never been there?

It could also be that some people in CCP have liking for history and name thing according to what they think sounds cool.

It may not make sense at first.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.14 12:37:00 - [697]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 12:48:36
Gotta run down to Indy, I will returm to this later, but, curious, does anyone know how many planets are in the Intaki system? What are the statistics of the third planet? Does it have only one moon? And what makes you think this is implying ALL the Jove? I only see the Society. The Servant Sister's of Eve was founded primarily by the Jove, as was Concord. These seem like pretty solid realities. I don't see the Sisters siding with Sansha.. Two cents for now, more later.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.14 13:39:00 - [698]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 12:48:36The Servant Sister's of Eve was founded primarily by the Jove
No, though they do have some Jovian members according to the chronicle.

Yes, I have taken a character into W-space.

No, I'm not going to post my theory right now.

Time to disappear again. Thanks for all the fish. Wink

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.11.14 13:41:00 - [699]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 12:48:36
Gotta run down to Indy, I will returm to this later, but, curious, does anyone know how many planets are in the Intaki system? What are the statistics of the third planet? Does it have only one moon? And what makes you think this is implying ALL the Jove? I only see the Society. The Servant Sister's of Eve was founded primarily by the Jove, as was Concord. These seem like pretty solid realities. I don't see the Sisters siding with Sansha.. Two cents for now, more later.




Quote:
In any case, most people agree that the education the children receive within the Society’s walls is first-class and every graduate is a sought-after employee anywhere he or she goes. An astonishing proportion of SCT graduates reach a prominent position later in life, becoming presidents of multi-stellar corporations or governmental ministers. Little wonder, then, that people regard the SCT schools as breeding grounds for world leaders.


just my thoughts

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.14 22:13:00 - [700]
 

"In the beginning...the two "natures" or "substances", light and obscurity, good and evil, God and matter, coexisted, separated by a frontier. In the North reigned the Father of Greatness...in the South, the Prince of Darkness...the "disorderly motion" of matter drove the Prince of Darkness toward the upper frontier of his kingdom. Seeing the splendor of light, he is fired by the desire to conquer it. It is then that the Father decides that he will himself repulse the adversary. He...projects from himself, the Mother of Life, who...projects a new hypostasis, the Primordial Man...With his five sons, who are...his "soul" and "armor" made from five lights, the Primordial Man descends to the frontier. He challenges the darkness, but he is conquered, and his sons are devoured by the demons...This defeat marks the beginning of the cosmic "mixture", but at the same time it insures the final triumph of God. For obscurity (matter) now possesses a portion of light...and the Father, preparing its deliverance, at the same time arranges for his definitive victory against darkness. In a second Creation, the Father "evokes" the Living Spirit, which, descending toward obscurity, grasps the hand of the Primordial Man and raises him to his celestial homeland, the Paradise of Lights. Overwhelming the demonic Archontes, the Living Spirit fashions the heavens from their skins, the mountains from their bones, the earth from their flesh and their excretments...In addition, he achieves a first deliverance of light by creating the sun, the moon, and the stars from portions of it that had not suffered too much from contact with obscurity. Finally, the Father proceeds to a last evocation and projects by emanation the Third Messenger. The latter organizes the cosmos into a kind of machine to collect - and...to deliver - the still-captive particles of light. During the first two weeks of the month, the particles rise to the moon, which becomes a full moon; during the second two weeks, light is transferred from the moon to the sun and, finally, to its celestial homeland. But there were still the particles that had been swallowed by the demons. Then the messenger displays himself to the male demons in the form of a dazzling naked virgin, while the female demons see him as a handsome naked young man...fired by desire, the male demons...give forth their semen, and, with it, the light that they had swallowed. Fallen to the ground, their semen gives birth to all the vegetable species. As for the female devils who were already pregnant, at the sight of the handsome young man they give birth to abortions, which, cast onto the ground, eat the buds of trees, thus assimilating the light that they contained. Alarmed by the Third Messenger's tactics, matter, personified as Concupiscence, decides to create a stronger prison around the still-captive particles of light. Two demons, one male, the other female, devour all the abortions in order to absorb the totality of light, and they then couple. Thus Adam and Eve were engendered."

An interesting read based upon someone's (Mircea Eliade) view of the old Manichaean religion. A religion that ironically enough seemed to break off from the current religions at the time (200-300ADish).. much like say, Amarrian and the United Catholics. Another correlation is the notion of five + supreme that both hold.

Also when it comes to this religion.. another striking parallel can be achieved when looking at Jovian's THREE empires.. w-space.. and k-space.. and how Manichaeism instruments it's cosmology with Light, Darkness, And three levels of creation. Very interesting indeed.

Read it again.. imagine the Lore of EVE when you do so.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.14 23:54:00 - [701]
 

Originally by: Umega
Also when it comes to this religion.. another striking parallel can be achieved when looking at Jovian's THREE empires.. w-space.. and k-space.. and how Manichaeism instruments it's cosmology with Light, Darkness, And three levels of creation. Very interesting indeed.

Read it again.. imagine the Lore of EVE when you do so.

Oh, I agree. It's quite fascinating.

Now, how does this apply to the Sleeper mythos specifically? What can we apply in our search for what's going on aside from allegorical similarity?

I mean, I could pull in the Talocan and find a religious context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlalocan

Specifically:
Tlalocan is the first level of the "upper worlds", or 'heavens', that has four compartments according to the mythic cosmographies of the Nahuatl-speaking peoples of pre-Columbian central Mexico, noted particularly in Conquest-era accounts of Aztec mythology.

and:
Tlalocan is described in several Aztec codices as a paradise, ruled over by Tlaloc and his consort Chalchiuhtlicue. In the Florentine Codex, a set of sixteenth-century volumes which form one of the prime sources of information about the beliefs and history of Postclassic central Mexico, Tlalocan is depicted as a realm of unending Springtime, with an abundance of green foliage and edible plants of the region.

Again, aside from the allegorical symbolism, how can we use this?

Perhaps this?
"There are thus thirteen of each type of feature located between the center and the edges of the underworld and one of each type (p. 120) of feature located in the center of the underworld."

Wink

It could be nothing, it could be something.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 00:51:00 - [702]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 00:53:21
So, I began thinking on the drive to Indianapolis today. We call these infomorphs Sleepers. The Jove refer to them as Enhenuadanni. I wondered what they call themselves?

Well, being creatures who freefly the solar winds and dance 'midst the stars, perhaps they would give themselves a name such as... Oh I don't know, maybe Oruze?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 01:09:00 - [703]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 01:58:51
I am now certain that the structures labeled Oruze and Sleeper are indeed of Jovian origin. The Sleeper Enclaves are most certainly Society of Conscious Thought Kitz.

The Oruze are the culmination of the HyCon program. The Sleepers are the Jovian Stasis People, and all the rest of the various blocs are dedicated to Society Endeavors. Apparently the Society is in charge of taking care of the Stasis People. The genetics labs? We see their results all around us. The Slaver Hounds, Fedos, Long Limbed Roe. Thanks for that Arvash.. Wink

The med labs are related to the Kyonoke Pit as I originally surmised. The reason we see no life is because the Jove are jumping into pod to repel us. While the HyCon control other drones.

And much thanks to Auwnie and Amann for pushing me in the right direction. How exactly Sansha ties in with the Oruze is still a bit unclear, but am I the only one who saw the insinuation about Jamyl?

Apparently the Hyper Consciousness Program was a success, and it involves our Suns. But the pertinent question is, how far are the Society willing to go to support Sansha? How will the Jove Empire, whatever remains of it, reply to this bold act by the Society?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 01:20:00 - [704]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 01:56:15
So, anyone have an idea about how we start using the network? As has been implied again and again? It relates to activity on The Line and at The Mirror. How much of the above mythological cosmonogy is directly related to this puzzle?

Oh yes, and by the way, the other implications here are, The Society has the Book of Truth, The Society has the crown and sceptre, The Society most likely has the Kyanoke nanovirus and the ability to jack clones. Oh and the Sun link could merely be the Superweapon Research and has nothing to do with HyCon..

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.11.15 01:36:00 - [705]
 

I wish you'd just unload your underlying point and why, Amann. Saying things to excite minds into different gears is one thing.. playing a lil game of 'Mystery in a Mystery' is a bit condesending to the EVE fiction community, unless you truly believe we're too stupid to grasp your theory without these babysteps, holding a cookie out of reach down your hallway.

How do I view the Sleepers..

I'm not entirely sure. My theory isn't finished and hammered out, and changes too frequently to be stable. What am I leaning towards is Sleepers are more of Genesis and not an after product. Jovian and Talocan are both.. 'Sleepers'. Terrian, aka Earth.. has been a Sleeper farm for eons. A farm of what. Cells.

Jovian and Talocans I believe were both Sleepers at some point in the past. They are infact one in the same.. and not Terrian. Why would they both be interested in researching and understanding Terrian tech when they are so old, and their advanced technology stretches so far back.. 1000s of years. Nothing that I know of stating they don't infact pre-date the EVE Gate. Why would they study and catalog such.. unless they aren't Terrian?

And so.. both Jovian, Talocan.. Sleepers, are not Human. Never were human. It is my opinion, people have Jovians backwards. It is not the popular Human -> genetic cyborg -> desire to pure human again. It is.. Infomorph -> biological + mechanical cyborg -> desire for pure biological human.

The term 'Sleepers' I believe is simply to trick people, like a lot of words and notions thrown into the whole story. People will grab a word, look at it's base meaning and run with it. Lead people to believe it some race that are tucked away in hybernation and then they became informorphs for whatever reason fabricated.

What really is to say that it isn't us, humans.. that are the Sleepers, living in a dream constructed by our creators so indepth.. that reality itself is the very dream that we blindly sleep walk through.

Harvest.. time to Harvest. Always in need of a Harvest when the current product becomes out of date, broken, worn down, insificiant. Sleepers. Talocan. Jovian. Sansha..

What if you were always Energy? It is human nature to imagine that humans may evolve into pure energy without a body eons from now. What if..

It was the other way around.

Nikita Mirror02
Posted - 2010.11.15 02:01:00 - [706]
 

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 00:53:21
So, I began thinking on the drive to Indianapolis today. We call these infomorphs Sleepers. The Jove refer to them as Enhenuadanni. I wondered what they call themselves?

Well, being creatures who freefly the solar winds and dance 'midst the stars, perhaps they would give themselves a name such as... Oh I don't know, maybe Oruze?
'

Or maybe something far simpler.

Maybe, oh...I dunno....Nation?

Originally by: Roga Dracor
Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 01:13:10
I am now certain that the structures labeled Oruze and Sleeper are indeed of Jovian origin. The Sleeper Enclaves are most certainly Society of Conscious Thought Kitz.

The Oruze are the culmination of the HyCon program. The Sleepers are the Jovian Stasis People, and all the rest of the various blocs are dedicated to Society Endeavors. Apparently the Society is in charge of taking care of the Stasis People. The genetics labs? We see their results all around us. The Slaver Hounds, Fedos, Long Limbed Roe. Thanks for that Arvash.. Wink

The med labs are related to the Kyonoke Pit as I originally surmised.

And much thanks to Auwnie and Amann for pushing me in the right direction. How exactly Sansha ties in with the Oruze is still a bit unclear, but am I the only one who saw the insinuation about Jamyl?

Apparently the Hyper Consciousness Program was a success, and it involves our Suns. But the pertinent question is, how far are the Society willing to go to support Sansha? How will the Jove Empire, whatever remains of it, reply to this bold act by the Society?


Well I've taken the assumption that Sansha Kuvakei was trained by the Society, and the entirety of Sansha's Nation is basically under the heel of the Society. Why do you think wormhole space opened when it did? read the end of the world saga, who pushes all the pieces into motion? Why did Sansha Kuvakei return when he did?

It's all according to plan.

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 02:13:00 - [707]
 

So, as I surmised, it is the Jove. And now you, the capsuleers have a distinct choice between you, slavery or unleashing the armageddon you were bred to initiate.

I know I will never give Roga's passions away for psyche suicide. Let the games begin..

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.15 02:56:00 - [708]
 

Originally by: Umega
I wish you'd just unload your underlying point and why, Amann. Saying things to excite minds into different gears is one thing.. playing a lil game of 'Mystery in a Mystery' is a bit condesending to the EVE fiction community, unless you truly believe we're too stupid to grasp your theory without these babysteps, holding a cookie out of reach down your hallway.

See, you misunderstand. I'm horrible at explanations. I know the evidence I see, but can I explain how they are connected?

By showing the process by which I came to it, and leading others down that path, hopefully someone else will see it. If not, then well... maybe I was wrong all along.

Quote:
I believe...

That's the thing. Belief. Does belief prove a theory? Does a belief disprove a theory? It's a good starting point. How do you prove your belief is truth?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 03:20:00 - [709]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 03:29:25

Arvash
Minmatar
Disciples of Tezcatlipoca
Posted - 2010.11.15 04:55:00 - [710]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris
What if I said that the truth is so simple that I'm surprised no one figured it out, and I know now why Dropbear held his tongue?

Someone in New Eden was using The Mirrors.

Look at the content of said Mirrors. There's a hint there. A huge, blinding, beacon of a hint.

It may not make sense at first.


I wish I had more time to quote and type than I do atm ... Meanwhile, the above one was the one that triggered the most thoughts recently. In the dicussions of Jove and Sansha, and my own musings on the Amarr, another group has stayed quietly beneath the radar for the most part.

What if most of the Mirror has been effectively reprogrammed and the x.x.x designations there are not those of the Sleepers or the Jove, but the Sisters of Eve? Suddenly Occam's Razor works its magic. Who else would make whole entries about the Eve Gate? The medical areas suddenly make sense without some grand holocaust - the Sisters are a medical and relief operation. Why not the Sisters doing animal experiments like those in Extinction Burst? If the fourth prophecy of Maceber is about wormholes, could the fifth refer to Kuvakei and 'little brother' also point to the Sisters driving him?

The hints of their involvement throughout the story have been too big to ignore, but too subtle and hidden to generate much other than "how did they know that?" suspiscion.

I have been looking for a full transcript of the Blood-Stained Stars Epic Arc in-game conversations with the agents but have not been able to find one. I think there are likely keys there as well.

If we "Scooby Doo" this mystery, there really are only a handful of possible culprits: The Jove and the Sisters have to be the top two. A tier down from them are Jamyl Sarum and Sansha Kuvakei. And then you have the unlikely dark horses of the Terrans, true aliens (Eve's Mule, for the psychohistorians in the crowd) and the conglomerate of random involved corporations like Zainou and CreoDron.

My take is that Sarum and Kuvakei are puppets of the real power behind the drama. Either the doppelganger theory, the time travel theory or brought along through manipulation - doesn't really matter, they are tools in the hands of the real player.

Zainou and Creodron (and for that matter CONCORD) are in roughly the same boat - effectively foils or puppets.

I think, from a purely OOC perspective, that a bombshell like the return of the Terrans or a wholly alien species is not in the cards for CCP right now with Dust, Vampire and Incarna on the horizon already.

I think Roga Dracor has done a good job of laying out the case for the Jove.

Anyone want to lay out (or refute) the case for the Sisters?

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.15 06:03:00 - [711]
 

Edited by: Amann Karris on 15/11/2010 09:43:07
Arvash:

THANK YOU! Very Happy

That was the first piece that hinted at the puzzle. One thing to remember about the Sisters of EVE: They are not just an organization, but a faith. Read these in the order below. They tell a story. A story hidden away beneath a layer of secrecy, but a story that can be understood in context.

http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=13-07-09
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=31-05-10
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=07-09-09
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=19-04-10
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=06-09-10

A big hint in both The Burning Life and the Blood-Stained Stars is that the Sisters of EVE dislike capsuleers. Intensely. They bring a great amount of suffering into the world.

Now, continuing the "Kevin Bacon" (as in six degrees of) trail of clues, we have the Serpentis. Silphy en Diabel, the current "head" of the Sarpati family, was a member of the Sisters of EVE. She is also Intaki.

Do you see the progression here? Do the above chronicles make more sense in context? Can you figure out who's talking where there is no indication of identity?
ugh

Again, in context, it's all there in the chronicles.

We "Clueless Capsuleers" indeed. Crying or Very sad

Aynen
Posted - 2010.11.15 07:33:00 - [712]
 

It's that kind of angle that makes me want to let them have their way with us. When I read the burning life, I was actually starting to want Drem to get his way because of that...

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.15 09:54:00 - [713]
 

Originally by: Amann Karris
Now, continuing the "Kevin Bacon" (as in six degrees of) trail of clues, we have the Serpentis. Silphy en Diabel, the current "head" of the Sarpati family, was a member of the Sisters of EVE. She is also Intaki.

You realize of course, the religious symbolism there.

Sisters of EVE=Eve
Serpentis=Serpent (bringing knowledge)
Datacores to be given to Ishukone=Forbidden Fruit

So, are Capsuleers and Sansha's Nation the equivalent of Cain and Abel? Or are they the Nephilim?

Also, we have a mention of an Ark in the Amarr faith. Wink
So, anyone know what happened next?Twisted Evil

(Not that this particular line of thought is a serious line of inquiry, but looking at EVE as an allegory is fun.)

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:40:00 - [714]
 

I have asked the question of the Genesis theme and where the missing actors are. If there is a metaphorical snake in New Eden it is not going to be the Serpentis Corp. By the way the tree, snake and apples are a lot older than Genesis. Plagiarism!!!! Very Happy

If you are suggesting Silphy went to Jita 4-4 to get some drugs then, no. That is what you are suggesting right? I do believe there is more to Ante and the Zephyr though.

To be honest I dont like these big conspiracy theories. For me, when you try to tie stuff together or try to engineer a certain logic on to events, it makes the universe small. I much more like the idea events are chaotic, unrelated and stand on their own without meaning or maybe just the meaning of the people that happen to be there. It creates much more space for other things to happen. I guess I just gave away my world view, didnt I?Cool

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.11.15 12:09:00 - [715]
 

For anyone that does like conspiracy. Werent it the Sister of EVE and the Society of conscious thought that fought each other over a "book" in the Black Mountain chronicle series?

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 16:41:00 - [716]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 17:03:01
So, the universe decides to throw me a curve. I am feeling enormous pride over solving part of the puzzle, jump in game, and proceed to lose a 'Cane to a very clever use of Neuts.. Good job, guys! Wink

Then start thinking, wait a minute, your getting too brash, and realize there has really not been alot resolved. I always equated the Reverand Mother as a Jove Static, imagine my chagrine. ugh

Need to read all these chronicles, someday.. And the novels.. Razz

So I noticed the above and went back to Wiki, of course.

What if, the Universe, as infinitely expanding held all these permutations as "possibilities". Or more akin to the current dilemma, "probabilities". There are still missing players or ideologies or plagarismsRolling Eyes, they may not have been introduced yet, because we haven't solved something.

When I entered the wormholes, we resided in a Class 4 that had a "broken" anomoly "the Integrated Terminus". I didn't pay much heed to it, though, not being a Corp Officer, it is a little above my pay grade, but, I know it was petitioned. And I think it was because it never respawned or disappeared.

Taking the Cosmos\Sleeper theorum a little deeper into the rabbit hole. Are we the avatars of Vishnu who destroy the fortresses\demons trapping and consuming the elements\truth of the world?

Perhaps we need to eliminate every "Integrated Terminus" in the network to advance the storyline?

The Reverand Mother insinuates she is ancient, the daughter of one of the first humans to pass through the Eve gate, meaning a progenitor of a race. "Where the races and bloodlines came from". She is referred to by the Jove as Enhuadanni, which translates roughly from Sumerian\Babylonian mythos as daughter priestess of Innanna or Ishtar, who was a Goddess who implanted her followers into the role of leaders of a people. Poor Gallente.. Wink


Jamyl Sarum has "returned from the dead" to "save her people". Is that not again a display of Avatarism?

Why has it taken so long for humanity to rebound after the close of the gate? Maybe the only survivors might have been "sheltered" from the effects of "the apocolypse" in a wormhole? Where they were, scientists, studying the survivors from the last apocolypse?

The Eve Gate is not what it appears to be, it is "Genesis", and a one way trip. If you pass through it, you go "somewhere else", maybe to create your own mythos....

Roga Dracor
Caldari
Mental Disorders Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.15 16:52:00 - [717]
 

Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 17:37:21
As a matter of fact all four(five?) Avatars seem to be in place to fight the demons that plague their races.. Us and Sansha.. I always wondered why CCP had never really taken an active hand at playing against us.. I always thought it would be immensely fun if they "leveled the playing field a bit.."... Wink

LOL, and it still seems to point to a Jove. One weasely little Jovian scientist with the power of God who likes to poke "rats" in his endless mazes. Or one weasely God who enjoys same...

Or, think about it this way, a pod pilot and his crew.

Amann Karris
Amarr
Karris Family
Posted - 2010.11.16 00:31:00 - [718]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe
If you are suggesting Silphy went to Jita 4-4 to get some drugs then, no. That is what you are suggesting right? I do believe there is more to Ante and the Zephyr though.

Nope. And the Zephyr? Just a tool. A means to an end. What was really purchased, and what is it used for?

Better yet, who purchased it? For what reason?

Icer Xx
Tempest Legion
Test Friends Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.17 10:19:00 - [719]
 

Why are we so focused on the sleepers? what do all of the shattered planets have in common? what were they before? does their former structure interact with isogen-5? were they all the same type of planet?

One of the final sentences in the chronicle wormholes were introduced in, was that we wouldn't look at the planets, we'd go through the holes.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.11.17 15:21:00 - [720]
 

Aren't people forgetting something really fundamental here? If there's something to unlock, we have to unlock it. If it were me in charge of putting it in, I'd put in a really cryptic trigger that sent someone at CCP a message letting them know it'd been triggered. That means it's something to do in-game. If we can't do it in game, it's doubtful to be the answer to unlocking it.


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