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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.20 11:25:00 - [421]
 

Before you go on with your string theory, Ivvor, maybe you could fit it together with this:
Originally by: The Mirror

Oruze Enclave: Directory
1.0 Solar Engineering
1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering
1.2 Thermovoltaics
1.3 Residential
1.4 Residential



Maybe 'Oruze' is more in this direction. Except there are no other supporting links which should have been there (the falcon, the eye).

Ivvor
Posted - 2010.07.20 12:34:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Before you go on with your string theory, Ivvor, maybe you could fit it together with this:
Originally by: The Mirror

Oruze Enclave: Directory
1.0 Solar Engineering
1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering
1.2 Thermovoltaics
1.3 Residential
1.4 Residential





I'm still not entirely sure about the sun/light connections. I don't think it's as simple as the Sleepers using solar energy to power their facilities. More likely there's some direct solar manipulation going on somewhere that may tie in with wormhole manipulation.

I also think there's some deeper significance to the various local spatial phenomena. Perhaps they are artificial. I'm in a Cataclysmic Variable system at the moment, and the whole scene just looks so dramatic, it must mean something.

Really, there are so many possibilities, I just haven't been able to narrow them down much in my head.

Originally by: Jowen Datloran

Maybe 'Oruze' is more in this direction. Except there are no other supporting links which should have been there (the falcon, the eye).


Not sure I see the connection unless you perhaps go down the route of who the Sleepers might 'really' be and come to some very interesting and likely quite controversial conclusions.

Sempress Kaye
Posted - 2010.07.20 13:33:00 - [423]
 

Edited by: Sempress Kaye on 20/07/2010 13:38:29
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Here's a question: why would the Terrans even bring a shield-imploding superweapon to New Eden in a freighter so heavily armored that the contents were more or less intact to begin with? Was the closure of the New Eden gate a measure to escape the Terrans?

Again going out of my way here.
I havent read the Empyrean Age novel so I might make the most idiotic assumption in this entire thread but consider this:

Does the novel state anywhere for a fact that the Terran device was intended to be used as a weapon?
Wasn't it merely referred to as an artifact?
Could it not have been a device intended to create 'gates' like the EVE gate, blowing holes into the very fabric of space itself by manipulating energy in a reversed matter, therefor being utterly effective against the Minmatar elder fleet that used shields aka energy fields to protect their vessels?
Could it have been used by Jamyl Sarum for offense after she learned from some source it functioned in the above described fashion?

Just a thought from a underinformed curious Amarrian that is dying to read the novel.

Ripi
Posted - 2010.07.20 14:15:00 - [424]
 

Edited by: Ripi on 20/07/2010 14:15:58
I am not much of a wormhole person but there is something that i keep noticing with many of these sites. In the main storyline site is seems there is not enough power. Has anyone tried cap transfering to see if it will boost it. The same with the sites that need repairs. Perhaps remote armor, structure, shield repping could possibly boost them. From what i have read its one of the only thing that has not been tried. (considering ppl are now podding themselves :p)

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.20 14:24:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
Not sure I see the connection unless you perhaps go down the route of who the Sleepers might 'really' be and come to some very interesting and likely quite controversial conclusions.


I think doing exactly that will help you a long way to the solution. I am actually thinking in the same direction as Jowen just a different ancient civilization.ugh

Another funny coincidence I found. Since the chronicle series about the creation of the wormholes is called "End of the world" does this mean this The Prophecy of Macaper has already happened or is about to happen.

Ivvor
Posted - 2010.07.20 16:20:00 - [426]
 

Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

Another funny coincidence I found. Since the chronicle series about the creation of the wormholes is called "End of the world" does this mean this The Prophecy of Macaper has already happened or is about to happen.


I've looked over this before and my guess is the fourth prophecy refers to the Seyllin incident. The fifth prophecy may relate to what is happening at the moment. The sixth could be interpreted a number of ways, and the final prophecy is I believe when we will discover the truth about the EVE Gate and the events that led to its 'collapse.'

Richtor Mettle
Cryptic Solutions
Posted - 2010.07.20 16:32:00 - [427]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

Another funny coincidence I found. Since the chronicle series about the creation of the wormholes is called "End of the world" does this mean this The Prophecy of Macaper has already happened or is about to happen.


I've looked over this before and my guess is the fourth prophecy refers to the Seyllin incident. The fifth prophecy may relate to what is happening at the moment. The sixth could be interpreted a number of ways, and the final prophecy is I believe when we will discover the truth about the EVE Gate and the events that led to its 'collapse.'



So I looked at the prophecy and I'm wondering about a couple of things.

1. The Fifth Event: the little bother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome.
Could this be in reference to the jove ship in the Empyrean Age novel, or more for us capusuleers exploring wormholes? For some reason I want to go with the former for this.

2. The Seventh Event: return of the dark light from the heart of the mother.
Could this be reference to the terran weapon used by Jamyl Sarum? I watched the trailer again and, I suppose the blast could be called a "dark light"

Just a couple of thoughts, the problem is that the fourth and sixth I can't seem to correlate to events. I have a theory about the fourth event.
The appetite of nothing expands over the world could refer to the caldari occupation in gallente space, but I feel I'm grasping on that one. It could be the Seyllin incident as well, I suppose, but I'm not convinced of that either.

The sixth is still a mystery. "what was many now becomes one when one becomes four" makes me think of the 4 main races, but I don't think it's that simple. It could refer to what is happening now; however each of the previous 3 prophecies were pretty distinct occurrences. That leads me to believe that the remaining are not as ambiguous, or as simple as, what is happening now.

It's obvious we need more information than we have to solve all of this, the concern is how do we know when we are correct?

khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.07.20 16:38:00 - [428]
 

Originally by: Ivvor
Originally by: Vadimik
At this point it makes me wonder exactly how far are we from "advancing a story".



Very much wondering this myself. Dropbear has been quiet of late. I don't know if that means we are thinking along the right lines, he despairs at how completely wrong we all are, or something is about to happen in-game that will render our speculations completely moot.

I continue to look out for things that others might ignore in W-space, but I'm rapidly running out of ideas. One of the static WH exits in the system I'm currently in did do something mildly interesting (which I can't comment on for security reasons) when it respawned today that gave me a brief WTH moment, but it could just be a fluke with no deeper significance.



Sounds like your jumped into the new system and realised you had bms from the last system still because it was the last system again straight away.
We have had this ourselves many times as we open and close alot of whs a day to look for new targets.
3 times last month we had the same WH system spawn immediately after we had just closed it.
At one point we sent a petition to CCP to see if there was a bug and got the standard ' random . . .yata ya' response.
WH dont always stick to the same regions or consellations as some have stated( or not from our wh anyway )
We honestly open and close several hundred a week and They spawn in all regions and constellations possible for that class of static WH. It is however possible to see what region or constellation a WH system is in and then say with 100% accuracy what class of WH it will lead to and therefore be able to navigate through them.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.20 18:59:00 - [429]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:15:17
Originally by: Sempress Kaye
Without straying off topic, one thing about Sleepers makes me wonder...
Why do they lack shields?
Or at least some of them?
Admittedly I havent seen many Sleepers yet, but those I encountered seem to lack these.

Anyone?


Some things spring to mind.

1) Wolf-Rayet type wormholes heavily penalise shields while supporting armour. These type of WH may be important in some way to the sleepers, their home system or target systems.

2) Shields increase signature radius, while armour increases mass.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.20 19:16:00 - [430]
 

I do not like to think all of this is linked to The Prophecy of Macaper but perhaps it is. At least it fits with some of my current thoughts.

The Sleepers are the Joves "little brother".

They have finally managed to create a way back home by opening the wormholes and it is sorrowful because they are "dead" due to a devastating viral outbreak which is also the cause why they are not wanted.

Why do I think the Jove and Sleepers are close related?

  • They share technological skills regarding drones. Firstly, there is this. Secondly, the Jove seems to have some hand in the creation of the rogue drones (see other threads for more on this topic). If nothing else, the Jove knew how to control the drones at the Isogen-5 gathering facility in our space.


  • That could also strongly indicate the Jove was behind the gathering of Isogen-5 on our side while the Sleepers were gathering at theirs.


  • They share architectural style:
    Originally by: Oruze Osobnyk
    The mysterious structure inside this deadspace pocket offers few clues as to the purpose it once served. Similar compounds -- albeit far less complex than this one -- have been reported, each featuring the same huddled architecture, evocative of the enigmatic Phantom cruiser.
    That is a Jove cruiser if you did not know.


  • Oh, and there is this. Though the Sleepers were not ancestors but a splinter group that disappeared.


Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.20 19:30:00 - [431]
 

Some very puzzling thoughts on rogue drones.

I have tried not put too much thought into rogue drone as I have noticed other have done a lot already. Perhaps these people can also found clues in the material regarding rogue drones (perhaps the opening of the drone regions) on something that has been puzzling me:
How old is the rogue drone phenomenon?

The Sleeper structures and drones are millenia old and have likely been cut off from New Eden for pretty much all that time. The rogue drones were gathering Isogen-5 for an "ancient entity" (reference forgotten), but how long could they have been up for that task if they are only a few decades/centuries old themselves?

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.20 20:08:00 - [432]
 

As I recall the first rogue drone's are around about 20 years old.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.20 20:28:00 - [433]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:18:26

Enheduanna = Lord or Lady of the Sky and High Priestess of Ur in ancient Sumaria.

Anoikis = programmed cell death, also from the Latin 'together without a home'.

Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Posted - 2010.07.20 21:08:00 - [434]
 

I like the Horus link, I don't have any supporting evidence for it but I do like it.

Sleeper drones using armour only:
One huge advantage of armour over shields is that armour is entirely passive until damaged. An armour plate would require no power to maintain throughout the millenia barring routine maintainence to repair micrometeoroid strikes. By contrast shields require a constant expenditure of power, not in capacitor terms as we capsuleers tend to consider it but nevertheless.

While the Terran artifact could have something to do with it I personally doubt it, the impression we're given after all is that the Talocan and subsequently the Sleepers had as little knowledge of the original Terrans as we do.

What's more suprising is that we can salvage very powerful shield emitters from these shieldless drones. If their entire shielding systems were offline to conserve power then that would make a certain degree of sense but...


Regarding the roles on some of the labs in the Oruze enclave:

I dismissed the idea after someone posted the actual definition in this thread... but the grouping just doesn't quite fit as I recall it.
I'm thinking of Non-natural Teleology.
I haven't been able to get the instant link my brain though up to Telomeres, the bits at the ends of a gene chain which allow it to divide and replicate without errors.
The other labs in the structure seem to be in a similar vain, Virtual Mutation, Emergent Systems Design... and with Virtual genetics as the heading...
If all this refered to the genetics of virtual systems rather than the virtual study of genetics then we could be looking at an AI lab...

Create a program which writes its own replacement and seeks to improve its progeny down through the generations and by Iteration 'x' you have true AI, allow it to continue on without error and without degradation and perhaps you have an intelligence profound enough to access EVE Gate, find a way out of your prison...etc.

Without error or degradation is the trick though.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.20 21:30:00 - [435]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 20/07/2010 21:34:44
Could drones be Von Neumann machine probes or perhaps Saberhagen Berserkers
.

Saul Dhampir
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.07.21 00:54:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Sariton Xavian
Hmm, the no shields, and the Terran super weapon that uses shields against the victim is a very interesting link.

Also makes me wonder about the whole "at war" nature of the setups in W-space and the relationship of Talocans and Sleepers question. With Talocan stuff spread throughout the variously established parts of "Sleeper" space, that suggests to me that they weren't at war with each other. Combined with the above observation, maybe the Sleepers were at war with the Terrans.


If we define 'Terrans' as the humans from the time of the EvE gate collapse (assuming it is A. a gate, and B. collapsed), then I think the Sleepers where humans of a later epoch. Also there is no real evidence that the Talocan and Sleepers where contemporaries.

One of the real problems in all there various ‘history threads’ is that we don’t have an established timeline of human civilisation in the cluster (including the new systems).


Today we have the Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar (and other minor bloodlines).

The Takmahl appear to have been an offshoot of the very early Amarr.

Before all these more modern human cultures we had, at some point, the Sleepers, the Talocan and the Yan Jung. Again non of which are necessarily contemporaries.

Then added to this we have three distinct Jove empires.

That’s what we know about. Who know how many countless generations of human cultures rose and fell and are yet to be discovered between the time of the original terran settlers and today?

All of which, one assumes where spawned from the original Terrans following the collapse of civilisation and the dark ages.


Whist I don’t really have anything to back this timeline up, my own thinking is currently something like this:

Original Terrans
v
EvE collapse and 1st Dark Ages
v
Talocan, Yan Jung, 1st Jove Empire
v
Sleepers, 2nd Jove Empire
v
2nd Dark Ages
v
3rd Jove Empire
v
Modern civilisation re-discover space travel and one-another (including Takmahl)


In this timeline the space between each epoch could be thousands of years.

Razor Blue
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.21 02:22:00 - [437]
 

Its not too hard to search for the Timeline

Quote:
AD 21413
The first Minmatar space ship is built. During the next centuries, the Minmatar settle on a number of planets and moons in three systems, using ancient star gates


I wonder who build thoseQuestion

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.21 06:47:00 - [438]
 

Saul : I agree, there is almost no information that I can see right now, bearing in mind i havent read everything yet, that tells anything about the history of the Jove, sleepers or the other ancient races and how they interacted with each other.

We do know the Jove have been around a long time so chances are they have had contact in some way. One thing that shows a possible link as mentioned before is technology. I think the most important is the Pod technology or more general the human to machine interface. One possible scenario is that the use of this technology created a divide between the sleepers and the Jove or made them separate.

In two instances, in Jovian wetgrave and in Theodicy, the Jove showed how much they care for human life. I think this is an important fact in understanding their history in relation to the Sleepers.


Originally by: CCP Dropbear
We are watching and waiting for the day to come when the capsuleers will move this particular storyline forward


Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Consider it an experiment in interactive storytelling, and one that has really only just begun.


If the capsuleer that gets to the bottom of this mystery actually gets to make choice in this interactive storyline. Then it all of a sudden becomes very important, depending on how much you care about the future of New Eden or who you align yourself to, who gets to make that choice. Someone with too little knowledge of true nature of forces in New Eden or that has the "wrong" view on life in the cluster could make a very bad choice. Information sharing just became political in a rp sort of way.ugh

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.21 06:50:00 - [439]
 

Saul Dhampir daid "Original Terrans
v
EvE collapse and 1st Dark Ages
v
Talocan, Yan Jung, 1st Jove Empire"

The Yan Jung date back to the Original Terrans before the Dark ages.
Well we have Yan Jung items dated to around 15,000 years ago and another item 1000 years younger. This indicates the empire lasted over 1000 years and lived around the years 8000 to 9000.

That means the Yan Jung empire dates right back to when the Eve gate first shut or dates back just before the gate shut then lasted around 1000 years after the gate shut. Right at the time of the 1st Jove empire. The Yan Jung empire vanished some time in the dark ages.

You could argue Yan Jung technology from the year 8000 is around the same tech level as Terrain technology. That means any technology we have now that match's Yan Jung technology and Yan Jung items is the same level as the old Terrains.

Out of interest why don't people look at the Yan Jung and Sleeper modules and blueprints for clues?

Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.21 10:33:00 - [440]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

Out of interest why don't people look at the Yan Jung and Sleeper modules and blueprints for clues?


Why, yes we do. Not that I've found any revelations. Have you?

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.21 11:07:00 - [441]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 17:20:20
Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:07:33

From the Timeline we see mention of the planet Soekheviti in the Sol system (can we identify which planet?). This is the ancient language of Sanskrit for The Pure Land. We have a space going people using Sanskrit (or possibly taking inspiration from it), which to me implies Asia/Oriental peoples, perhaps India, China or Japan, possibly/probably an amalgam. The best leads I have for the Yan Jung, based on Yan and Karl Jung, who was an expert of Sanskrit. Can we translate any of the unknown words by using Sanskrit or perhaps link them to any of the other known ancient factions.

The Conformists (Unified Catholic Church #1) first take control of Soekheviti, then lose power and are expelled. When they inhabit New Eden they settle on Athra, the original name for Amarr. The Catholic connection suggests using Latin to interpret Takmahl. There is no letter K in Latin, and when words are adopted into Latin the c is used instead, so Tac-mahl. Tac is the Latin for touch, but is also used as the prefix for objects that can be touched. Mahl is an ancient Indo Aryan language. So we could have Touched by Mahl Could imply the Takmahl where subject to outside influence (enheduanna?). Mal is the Latin for Bad/Wrong/Evil. We could therefore have something akin to Touched by Evil. I'm forced to think that this could be the Amarr name for them. What did they call themselves?

The second planet in the VH-451 system #2 is bought #3 by people from the Tau Ceti system #4. The third planet in the VH-451 system is bought by a megacorporation. Small-scale colonization starts soon after. #5.

The System CMS-17 is discovered, later renamed Pator. The main planet, Matar, is quickly colonized due to its very hospitable conditions. Seems pretty straight forward.

Dark Age. I was leaning towards thinking this collapse of civilisation was driven by the loss of contact with Sol and its high tech goods including space craft than War. That the colonist where simply forced into a subsistence societies as their machines failed. However what doesn't seem to add up is why should the dark age last 8000 years ? Was something/one holding them back ? It is almost as if the people where driven back to the stone age existence.

1) Why unified? This implies to me it could be catholic people from around the world, so not a single race.

2) Can we identify this system for certain?

3) Bought from who?

4) The Gallente are sometimes referred to as the Frenchmen of Tau Ceti.

5) This sounds like this must be Luminaire, except for Gallente & Caldari Prime are the 6th & 7th Planets respectively. Planets 2 & 3 are Temperate planets as well. This raises a question why are different planets now dominant?

-- edited for grammar & clarity --

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.21 11:25:00 - [442]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 21/07/2010 12:17:22
Vadimik said “Why, yes we do. Not that I've found any revelations. Have you?”
Found some interesting bits and bobs from the agent’s themselves but not from the blueprints or items yet.

I have gone through about 80% of the Cosmos stuff and plan to finish the rest over my holidays next week.
I just thought perhaps we are focused to much on w-space and missing the clues in empire. For some reason out of all 4 old race’s in cosmos the Sleeper cosmos is the least recorded one with the least amount of info about it. I find that odd.

I sometimes wonder how many people are not aware you can get Sleeper & Talocan blueprints and build Sleeper & Talocan items.


Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.21 11:58:00 - [443]
 

Originally by: Pottsey

I sometimes wonder how many people are no aware you can get Sleeper & Talocan blueprints and build Sleeper & Talocan items.


Actually, if we ignore the obviously matching names, what are the connections between cosmos Sleeper & Talocan and w-space Sleeper & Talocan?

I can't recall a single example of cosmos skill/item/etc interfacing with w-space skill/item/etc.

And from in-character POV it's odd, to say the least.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.07.21 12:15:00 - [444]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 21/07/2010 12:15:22
Originally by: Vadimik

Actually, if we ignore the obviously matching names, what are the connections between cosmos Sleeper & Talocan and w-space Sleeper & Talocan?



Little to none. Further,
Originally by: World on Fire

The civilizations of New Eden would mourn for those who were lost, and then search in earnest for the reason why they died. But they would not look amongst the burnt cinders of shattered worlds.

They would search for answers by passing through tears in the fabric of space, and venturing towards the unknown.



Sure there are many mysterious things out there but not all of them are connected. Let us solve one once at a time.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.21 12:19:00 - [445]
 

I complained about something similar to that before. Why are all these new rats in space called sleepers? How did we automatically know they were sleepers when wormhole opened up when there is no link between them and empire sleepers? I really hated how we automatically could identify them all. It was a missed opportunity to really add the story into the game.


Vadimik said “Actually, if we ignore the obviously matching names, what are the connections between cosmos Sleeper & Talocan and w-space Sleeper & Talocan?”
At work right now and my notes are at home. Both the empire and Wspace Talocan messed around with impressive gate technology. Both the Sleepers messed around with people in VR and people in hibernation. Then there are links like portals (wormholes?) I do not recall any items that link the two. It was more the descriptions and descriptions of technology used that was similar.

Once I have finished my tour of cosmos I will post all my findings and links between empire and w-space. Unless people want what little I found so far.

Vadimik
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.21 12:41:00 - [446]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
t now and my notes are at home. Both the empire and Wspace Talocan messed around with impressive gate technology. Both the Sleepers messed around with people in VR and people in hibernation. Then there are links like portals (wormholes?) I do not recall any items that link the two. It was more the descriptions and descriptions of technology used that was similar.


Along these lines of thought w-space sleepers might have more in common with federation than they do with cosmos sleepers.

Heh, at this point, solely from IC POV, conspiracy theory about w-space sleepers and talocan not being the same as cosmos ones seems pretty well supported.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.21 12:50:00 - [447]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:54:38
Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 21/07/2010 12:51:13
Originally by: Pottsey
Why are all these new rats in space called sleepers?



Perhaps, sleepers is a intended to be a collective name for the remnants of all the ancient races and isn't linked specifically to any one ancient race. c.f. Bogey (unidentified radar contact) or Foo Fighters (which range from unidentified secret aircraft to unknown atmospheric effects). It would explain the problem of understanding the relationships, which in many cases both confrontation and at other times co-operative.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:06:00 - [448]
 

Vadimik said “Along these lines of thought w-space sleepers might have more in common with federation than they do with cosmos sleepers.”
I don’t agree it’s not along the lines of the Federation might have more in common. I didn’t explain it very well. I don’t have my notes or access to the game so cannot go into detail till I get home. It’s more than just vague descriptions. If you look at the technology the Talocan specialised in it’s the same in both empire and W-space. Same for the sleepers the two sleepers seem to share the same specialisations.

There is a pretty strong connection in lots of area like both empire and Wspace sleepers have people in hibernation chambers full with people plugged into VR. I will see if I can post some better examples later.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:34:00 - [449]
 

Just to throw ideas out their and there is little evidence for this. But what if the Talocan are not a random migrant culture. In that they are not randomly moving about but are trying to migrate back to Earth. What if what we are are seeing are stop of points where Talocan stopped off built stocks up, mined resource’s, left broke or ships beyond repair before moving on again. That would explain things like “It looks like this ship was gutted, then left to drift.”

The Sleepers come along much later perhaps 1000’s of years later. They want to know where they came from and decide to follow the Talocan after studying terran and Talocan tech and history. But instead of doing it as a migrant culture as a slow movement they decided to use habitation and VR systems for the long journey with less stop off’s. While the Talocan had advance gates Sleepers used portals, spatial holes/wormholes. The Sleepers are on a journey following the Talocan starting from empire and moving outwards.

I believe the Yan Jung and Talocan are looking to get back to earth. But I am not as connived about the Sleepers.

Even if wrong I like posting theory’s and ideas. Sometimes wrong theory’s lead people to ideas on better to correct theory’s.

Auwnie Morohe
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:43:00 - [450]
 

Cosmos, nah nothing to see thereVery Happy


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