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Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.12 07:48:00 - [121]
 

I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.12 07:50:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..



i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread

the rage only encourages me

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.12 07:57:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lana Torrin
I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..



i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread

the rage only encourages me


They possibly hate you.. I quite like you.. I just don't agree with you. I'm sure there are other people that do in fact like you but don't agree with your ideas. You can disagree without being butthurt.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.12 08:11:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 12/05/2010 08:24:39

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Lana Torrin
I would like to petition this thread to get the subject changed to 'trolling maz for fun and profit'..



i prefer the "we hate mazzilliu and are pretty butthurt about it" thread

the rage only encourages me


They possibly hate you.. I quite like you.. I just don't agree with you. I'm sure there are other people that do in fact like you but don't agree with your ideas. You can disagree without being butthurt.



i'm sure there are plenty of people who disagree with me just fine and i can carry on friendly debate with those people, but i wouldn't say there is very much liking going on at all in this thread specifically

i can only assume they are butthurt about something i did and have to unleash a torrent of untrue speculation to make a point, and there's nothing i can really do to ever change their mind so i'm just sitting back and enjoying the rage at this point. in a game like EVE where you may choose to harm people ingame, it's somewhat a mark of accomplishment to get such internet rage heaped upon your ingame character, even among people who themselves try to pride themselves in the art of greif. YARRRR!!

so thats also sort of why i'm bumping this thread every so often now if it ever falls to the second or third page


edit: i even skimmed your history to see if you had made some sort of serious post disagreement with me in this thread so i could respond to it, but you didn't. but i wouldn't mind responding to whatever disagreement it was

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.12 09:13:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu

edit: i even skimmed your history to see if you had made some sort of serious post disagreement with me in this thread so i could respond to it, but you didn't. but i wouldn't mind responding to whatever disagreement it was


Nope, I have already cast my vote and I don't feel like putting you down much as there are far more fail candidates than you running (ie, I don't think you are fail). In fact I have made several posts about one of them as they are the only person I actually wish physical harm to..

While I do think its a little hypocritical of anyone to be saying they know what pirates want when they no longer live in lowsec full time, you are at least in PL... I still have a soft spot for PL for some reason..

So good luck to you I say. May you and Mynxee do good things for the PvPers of this game.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.12 09:18:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 12/05/2010 09:20:03

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: mazzilliu

edit: i even skimmed your history to see if you had made some sort of serious post disagreement with me in this thread so i could respond to it, but you didn't. but i wouldn't mind responding to whatever disagreement it was


Nope, I have already cast my vote and I don't feel like putting you down much as there are far more fail candidates than you running (ie, I don't think you are fail). In fact I have made several posts about one of them as they are the only person I actually wish physical harm to..

While I do think its a little hypocritical of anyone to be saying they know what pirates want when they no longer live in lowsec full time, you are at least in PL... I still have a soft spot for PL for some reason..

So good luck to you I say. May you and Mynxee do good things for the PvPers of this game.



that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.

i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.

PleasureBabe
PorNstars Inc
Posted - 2010.05.12 09:46:00 - [127]
 

BLAH BLAH BLAHB ALBH WHO THE **** CARES!!! waste of interwebs bandwidth.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.05.12 10:38:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.

i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.

You should really do yourself a favor and stop talking. I was reading this thread which was content with lulz but in these two paragraphs you really punched every lowsec resident in the face.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.12 10:54:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 12/05/2010 10:54:42
So many people talking about piracy and just describing PvP.

Piracy is the secure way to make ISK whilst PvP:ing, ignoring all rules of engagement and caring only for profit.

This includes outnumbering your opponent and using any means necessary to secure the income.

Having ~goodfights~ is sometimes a part of this, but it is not a required component.

As it is, to this day low-sec gatecamping is one of the easiest methods to accomplish this, simply because there is nowhere in low-sec that is as well traveled as the gates (for obvious reasons, low-sec is the ignored ugly step-child that CCP wants to die).

Logoffski is in many cases the only currently allowed game-mechanic for careless individuals (that do not scout) to evade low-sec gatecamps, so it's done at an alarming rate which, (in addition to many other low-sec pirate nerfs) has made a lot of pirates/outlaws just switch their play style to something that is less frustrating (including killing outlaws in low-sec, because frankly; there are few more opportune targets there).

I think the suggested two game mechanics are a good thing, and the counter arguments mostly hollow.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2010.05.12 11:18:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu

that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.

i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.


Bleh, this is more or less the only thing that you've said so far that gets me a bit riled up. I'm a (terrible) pirate, I live in lowsec and, for all its warts and niggles, I like living in lowsec. So when you come along and say 'herp-de-derp, my playstyle is superior to yours in every way,' it doesn't really inspire my confidence. I don't mean to be having a go at you here, I like some of the things you've proposed, and I can understand you getting a bit exasperated at this thread, but I don't think much of that statement.

More constructively (perhaps), you've said elsewhere that you and SNIGG moved to 0.0 because you got too big for lowsec; you also say you're a proponent of small gang warfare. How do you reconcile the two? As a member of a medium sized, reasonably active corp that mostly does lowsec roaming piracy, I'd say "small gang pvp" means gangs of 1-10 at most, with 2 - 5 people in fleet being the norm for most pick-up roams. I've seen 0.0 residents describe a fleet of 50 as a "small gang" (50 in fleet? I get antsy if there's 50 in local). What would you consider to be a 'small' roaming gang in this context?

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2010.05.12 11:43:00 - [131]
 

I haven't read this thread.

But if your idea of lowsec PVP is "gatecamping", then yes, I can see why you'd think that logoffski is a problem. And you deserve it.

AcMav
Metanoia.
Consortium.
Posted - 2010.05.12 12:54:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: AcMav on 12/05/2010 12:54:25
I don't understand why anyone would say either of these candidates are good votes for the Low Sec crowd. Neither one of these Candidates currently lives in low-sec or has any real reason to go back to it. Noir has recently taken a nice chunk of 0.0 land that will be more profitable than Low Sec. PL hasn't been in low sec in ages. These candidates are both votes for the 0.0 people and not for the Low Sec People.

However logoffski is a problem in nullsec as much as it is in low sec. Whenever we corner someone roaming through our space and they get trapped they'll log, its equally as hard to scan in nullsec as it is in lowsec (Our systems arnt any smaller). The only advantage we have is bubbles which keep the problem from occurring on gate (The only place Le Skunk Lives or Cares about). But on a belt or in open space this problem occurs again.

Neither of these Candidates is going to vote for low sec issues, However some of the 0.0 issues overlap with low sec issues so vote accordingly. Le Skunk is attacking Mazzuilli on one very specific issue that he has a problem with, regarding gate camping. You aren't going to find the perfect candidate unless you run yourself, pick your fights here Skunk.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.05.12 13:54:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: AcMav
Neither of these Candidates is going to vote for low sec issues


You are dead wrong about that. Noir.'s sov is incidental to me personally, whereas low sec is a cornerstone of my campaign and in fact the key driver for my CSM run.


mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.12 16:05:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: mazzilliu
that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.

i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.

You should really do yourself a favor and stop talking. I was reading this thread which was content with lulz but in these two paragraphs you really punched every lowsec resident in the face.


is lowsec a person now? it's an area of the game that needs a bit of boosting. it needs more people in it that live there seriously and haven't just accidentally used the wrong autopilot settings. i only said that because the hostility of this thread is somewhat unwarranted, and isn't something that's particularly useful to me for practical purposes if i win. i dont plan to seriously ignore lowsec because of some random internet people though(because if i do that the turr'ists win). i enjoyed that part of the game too much and i want to see it more playable now.

Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: mazzilliu

that's the problem with lowsec. lots of people have tried it and moved out because of the obvious problems. it doesnt make their desire to make lowsec any better less valid if they've moved on to some other aspect of the game which is superior in every way.

i dont see the hostility towards the idea of someone trying to help their style of play if they don't also take part in it anymore. but if that's what people want, then if i win the csm bid i could completely ignore lowsec.


Bleh, this is more or less the only thing that you've said so far that gets me a bit riled up. I'm a (terrible) pirate, I live in lowsec and, for all its warts and niggles, I like living in lowsec. So when you come along and say 'herp-de-derp, my playstyle is superior to yours in every way,' it doesn't really inspire my confidence. I don't mean to be having a go at you here, I like some of the things you've proposed, and I can understand you getting a bit exasperated at this thread, but I don't think much of that statement.

More constructively (perhaps), you've said elsewhere that you and SNIGG moved to 0.0 because you got too big for lowsec; you also say you're a proponent of small gang warfare. How do you reconcile the two? As a member of a medium sized, reasonably active corp that mostly does lowsec roaming piracy, I'd say "small gang pvp" means gangs of 1-10 at most, with 2 - 5 people in fleet being the norm for most pick-up roams. I've seen 0.0 residents describe a fleet of 50 as a "small gang" (50 in fleet? I get antsy if there's 50 in local). What would you consider to be a 'small' roaming gang in this context?


i'm not trying to belittle people who play differently than i do(i think if you dig through my post history as thoroughly as these people have you might see a history of considering other people's playstyles in CSM issues even if I don't do them), i'm just trying to explain why i don't do the lowsec thing anymore. it's the quantity of kills that are out there, and the quality that is the issue. many people who have lived in lowsec at some point no longer do because of this.

small gang roaming in the context of lowsec is between 2 and 10 I would say, with a bias toward to the lower end. When i was using the number 50 i was thinking in the context of alliances and their sort of warfare, which i would also like to find a way to turn into smaller gang combat as well(sizes of ~50x50 being the end goal).



Francais Tempest
Gallente
White Knights Imperius
Posted - 2010.05.12 19:32:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Gypsio III
I haven't read this thread.

But if your idea of lowsec PVP is "gatecamping", then yes, I can see why you'd think that logoffski is a problem. And you deserve it.

Logoffski is an abuse of an illogical game mechanic, and is a problem everywhere its used. Its as cloase to cheating as you can get without CCP taking action.


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