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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.03 09:51:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/05/2010 09:51:50

BP leak on CNN

I hope this will cause certain parties in the US to realize that off-shore drilling is not without dangers. This could affect wildlife and thereby the fishing industry in the gulf of Mexico for decades to come..

- Sok.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.05.03 11:05:00 - [2]
 

Screw wildlife, just give us cheap petrol.

And who cares about an oil spill on the other side of the globe anyways? Wink

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.05.03 11:14:00 - [3]
 

USA has loads of oil reserves. Particulary in Alaska. I wonder if it has a plan of letting the middle east use up its oil then use its own. Would make sense.

I am curious to know what the real facts are about 'peak oil'.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.05.03 12:29:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Vogue


I am curious to know what the real facts are about 'peak oil'.

The real fact is, there is no oil, we're all gonna die.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.03 16:26:00 - [5]
 

I especially like how they keep calling it a "potential enviromental disaster", no you fecking ******s... it already IS. Western consumerism, destroying the planet one giant step at a time....

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.03 16:46:00 - [6]
 

consumerism sucks, here's my list of better alternatives;




M'ktakh
Posted - 2010.05.03 17:39:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vogue
USA has loads of oil reserves. Particulary in Alaska. I wonder if it has a plan of letting the middle east use up its oil then use its own. Would make sense.

I am curious to know what the real facts are about 'peak oil'.


Peak oil is a funny thing. It actually almost always applies to mineral oil reserves that are currently viable to exploit, currently viable being the key word here. As the available reserves and the demand start do diverge, new, more difficult to exploit reserves will come into play.

For example, nobody in their right mind would have mined canadian oil sands in 1930. Yet, now, they are being exploited. Same for alaskan oil.

The thing is, no matter what we do, mineral oil reserves are finite. Period.

Lt Forge
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2010.05.03 23:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Vogue
USA has loads of oil reserves. Particulary in Alaska. I wonder if it has a plan of letting the middle east use up its oil then use its own. Would make sense.

I am curious to know what the real facts are about 'peak oil'.


1 Drain international oil reserves
2 Wait for a bit
3 Introduce your own oil reserves like its an act from God.
4 Introduce high wages per barrel.
5 ???
6 Profit
7 Everyone drains your oil reserves
8 America blames a scapegoat
9 Everyone blames that scapegoat
10 Scapegoat gets 'liberated, democratized and commercialized by big American companies, etc
11 ???
12 Profit
13 Etc.

Just watch this.

illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.04 00:36:00 - [9]
 

American greed, hate it.
sacrificing extra safety, another Mb/s of bandwidth, or extra functionality just so the CEO can have another million to wipe his ass with.

Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.04 02:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/05/2010 09:51:50

BP leak on CNN

I hope this will cause certain parties in the US to realize that off-shore drilling is not without dangers. This could affect wildlife and thereby the fishing industry in the gulf of Mexico for decades to come..

- Sok.


Exactly. Need to drill more to make up the loss, and drill closer to shore so fixing problems does not have to be done over a mile deep in water. And drill more on land, especially in Anwar. I heard the Grand Canyon has lots of reserves.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.05.04 04:05:00 - [11]
 

I can think of something more dangerous than offshore drilling:

A country full of greedy oil men in a place where they can't drill their own. So they invent stories about WMDs and "yellow cake" and go to war on false pretexts, killing 4500 of our own soldiers and 6,500,000 civilians with 2.5 Mill displaced. They might have even saw those guys wanting to crash planes into skysc****rs on their way.

And then then people think they can get "change", they elect someone else owned by the same people. Because to drill the oil where it's thought to be (middle east), the friends of the oil men, the military-insdustrial men, make trillions on the wars taking those oil-rich countries. With just off shore drilling, only one pig gets to feed at the trough.

Yeah, a little spill now and then is nothing.


Pierre McVisageTriste
Posted - 2010.05.04 04:31:00 - [12]
 

Greed makes the world go round :).... I've always wondered why people who are not rich don't like people that are rich. I mean not every rich person is a bastard that doesn't care about his employees and such. I would know cause I am a rich bastard....not the bastard part though.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.05.04 04:36:00 - [13]
 

Confirming that BP is an American Company owned by a bunch of americans and was started in america.


Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys. BP is a ****EN British company startet in England.

Before you go US bashing think for a ****en second that it ****en isnt the US's fault.
Quote:
London is where BPs corporate headquarters are located, and the UK is therefore a centre for trading, legal, finance and other mainstream business functions. The UK is also home to three of BPs major global research and technology groups.
Our exploration and production business in Europe covers the North Sea both the UK and Norway. In Russia we have an important joint venture through our 50 per cent ownership of TNK-BP, a major oil company with the majority of its assets in Russia. We are involved in a number of exploration and production projects in Azerbaijan, and are leading the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline project.
Refining and marketing activities are spread throughout Europe, with BP owning or having a stake in seven refineries across the region. BP retail sites are a common sight in several European countries. In Germany we market under the Aral brand. We also sell lubricants and other oil products in Europe to both consumers and business customers.

We also have a number of chemical plants in the region.
North America
The BP group is the largest oil and gas producer and one of the largest gasoline retailers in the United States. We are the largest non-US company on the New York Stock Exchange. Our BP Alternative Energy business has an operations centre in Houston, and we also have solar manufacturing facilities in the USA.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.05.04 04:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I can think of something more dangerous than offshore drilling:

A country full of greedy oil men in a place where they can't drill their own. So they invent stories about WMDs and "yellow cake" and go to war on false pretexts, killing 4500 of our own soldiers and 6,500,000 civilians with 2.5 Mill displaced. They might have even saw those guys wanting to crash planes into skysc****rs on their way.

And then then people think they can get "change", they elect someone else owned by the same people. Because to drill the oil where it's thought to be (middle east), the friends of the oil men, the military-insdustrial men, make trillions on the wars taking those oil-rich countries. With just off shore drilling, only one pig gets to feed at the trough.

Yeah, a little spill now and then is nothing.




<RAGE>
This is the thing that ****es me off the most about my country. I seem to recall hearing on the news once about Colin Powell appearing before the UN to justify the US's actions in Iraq. He said that the US had proof that there were WMDs in Iraq. The UN asked to see this proof, and Colin Powell stated that it was classified and couldn't be shared.

Then lo and behold! It turns out that the proof that the US had was not really proof at all! In fact further investigation revealed that Iraq did NOT in fact have WMDs. Turns out we destroyed a country, executed it's leader, occupied the country and practically coerced "Democracy" on it all based on false intel. And all for what? The US government took on trillions of dollars in debt, is suffering in Afghanistan because forces are spread too thin and has had to suffer unnecessary losses. And to make matters worse, since the US put Iraq into the mess it is now, the US now has an ethical obligation to see these things through. If the US had pulled out immediately, Iraq would have quickly degenerated into a 3-way civil war blood bath between the Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds.

So now after 6 years we are FINALLY able to talk about leaving. But who knows how long the puppet government in place will last? How long will it be stable? How long before it collapses and Iraq goes back to what it was before - a totalitarian regime that creates further instability in the Middle East and a becomes a larger breeding ground for terrorists?

All of this because of a false pretext for war. Yet why is there not outrage over this? I remember hearing about it for maybe a couple days before the media forgot about it. Do people not realize that the lives of tens of thousands of people are on our hands? Yet we are not even apologetic about it. Sure, ****** ******* was a genocidal scumbag - but if that was the real reason for starting this war, we should have said so from the get go. Even still, I wonder if the number of deaths caused by the war in Iraq rivals the number of deaths caused by ****** *******'s rule.

Never before have I been so ashamed of my country. Mind you, I'm not exactly liberal. Immediately after 9/11, I was frankly of the opinion that we should turn some deserts into glass parking lots and be done with it. After all, destroying nations is what we are best at. Even today I feel that the US was perfectly justified to invade Afghanistan.

Anyways, this has become a political thread so technically it should be locked. But this topic just infuriates me so.
</RAGE>

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.04 06:22:00 - [15]
 

not our fault either :p



Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Confirming that BP is an American Company owned by a bunch of americans and was started in america.


Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys. BP is a ****EN British company startet in England.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.04 09:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Confirming that BP is an American Company owned by a bunch of americans and was started in america.


Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys. BP is a ****EN British company startet in England.

Before you go US bashing think for a ****en second that it ****en isnt the US's fault.
Quote:
London is where BPs corporate headquarters are located, and the UK is therefore a centre for trading, legal, finance and other mainstream business functions. The UK is also home to three of BPs major global research and technology groups.
Our exploration and production business in Europe covers the North Sea both the UK and Norway. In Russia we have an important joint venture through our 50 per cent ownership of TNK-BP, a major oil company with the majority of its assets in Russia. We are involved in a number of exploration and production projects in Azerbaijan, and are leading the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline project.
Refining and marketing activities are spread throughout Europe, with BP owning or having a stake in seven refineries across the region. BP retail sites are a common sight in several European countries. In Germany we market under the Aral brand. We also sell lubricants and other oil products in Europe to both consumers and business customers.

We also have a number of chemical plants in the region.
North America
The BP group is the largest oil and gas producer and one of the largest gasoline retailers in the United States. We are the largest non-US company on the New York Stock Exchange. Our BP Alternative Energy business has an operations centre in Houston, and we also have solar manufacturing facilities in the USA.



Who cares what country it's based in, america is the worst in terms of consumtion, but the rest of the western world isn't that far behind. But America is still the biggest and the most wasteful, so yep it's America's fault. Use less oil, less insentive to go to extremes to get that oil, no huge enviromental disasters or "freedom" wars.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.04 10:03:00 - [17]
 

Since a young age I have been against ALL forms of pollution even noise pollution XD

**** like this annoys me tbh, BP are now like "ok we will sort the problem give us 3 weeks to think about what todo and 6 years to do it"

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.04 10:34:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Sokratesz on 04/05/2010 10:35:53

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Confirming that BP is an American Company owned by a bunch of americans and was started in america.


Seriously WTF is wrong with you guys. BP is a ****EN British company startet in England.

Before you go US bashing think for a ****en second that it ****en isnt the US's fault. London is where BPs corporate headquarters are located, and the UK is therefore a centre for trading, legal, finance and other mainstream business functions. The UK is also home to three of BPs major global research and technology groups.


Calm down bro.

It's not the company's fault, this could happen to any oil rig. It is however the US that allows drilling in places like this with all the potential risks.


Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

Yeah, a little spill now and then is nothing.




Unfortunately it's not a 'little spill' and an environmental disaster every decade is not 'now and then' either (brent spar, exxon valdez, countless smaller ones). The severity of the situation when it comes to wildlife threat is being underestimated if not at least under-reported here. The vast majority of earths wildlife is hidden away in our oceans and all major ecological cycles involve oceans in one way or the other.

Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:41:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz

It's not the company's fault, this could happen to any oil rig. It is however the US that allows drilling in places like this with all the potential risks.


This may be a shock to you, but the US is not the only nation with off shore oil platforms.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.04 14:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Sokratesz

It's not the company's fault, this could happen to any oil rig. It is however the US that allows drilling in places like this with all the potential risks.


This may be a shock to you, but the US is not the only nation with off shore oil platforms.


Oh, did I step on your toes there? I'm against it just as much in any other case, but this is happening in US coastal waters.

Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:15:00 - [21]
 

You guys make it sound like BP intentionally sunk the rig. You do realize that this is real life and that **** happens?

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Straight Chillen
**** happens


I think we should build coal, gas and nuclear power plants everywhere, we might be damaging the environment but thats ok we make money by doing so and if theres an accident well, **** happens

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2010.05.04 16:46:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Florio on 04/05/2010 16:46:07
Originally by: Sokratesz
I hope this will cause certain parties in the US to realize that off-shore drilling is not without dangers.

It already has. Schwarzenegger has now changed his mind about allowing offshore drilling at the Californian coast.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Straight Chillen
**** happens


I think we should build coal, gas and nuclear power plants everywhere, we might be damaging the environment but thats ok we make money by doing so and if theres an accident well, **** happens



You still need oil to run those power plants. Remember all lubricants for machines are oil based

Yes even your ky his and her's has some frest from the ground crude oil in it. Not much but it has some.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:22:00 - [25]
 

What a 'funny' thread.

Bunch of interweb warriors blaming him, them, and anyone they can.. but surely it isn't themselves as they sit in their heated home, with a fridge running, probably snacking on something heated up in a microwave, writing how it's someone's fault on their electricity powered computer.

Really.. funny.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Straight Chillen
**** happens


I think we should build coal, gas and nuclear power plants everywhere, we might be damaging the environment but thats ok we make money by doing so and if theres an accident well, **** happens



You still need oil to run those power plants. Remember all lubricants for machines are oil based

Yes even your ky his and her's has some frest from the ground crude oil in it. Not much but it has some.


Theres always an alternative ;)

FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.05.04 17:38:00 - [27]
 

Indeed the irony is strong in this thread. Rolling Eyes

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.04 20:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Umega
What a 'funny' thread.

Bunch of interweb warriors blaming him, them, and anyone they can.. but surely it isn't themselves as they sit in their heated home, with a fridge running, probably snacking on something heated up in a microwave, writing how it's someone's fault on their electricity powered computer.

Really.. funny.


Indeed it is, but if you were to disallow all discussion based on that, there wouldn't be much internet or for that matter, newspapers, left. Personally, I hope I can make a difference in this area when I grow up. (in be4 are you 12?)

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.05.04 21:04:00 - [29]
 

BP has admitted full responsibility for cleaning up the spill.

It has refused to accept blame for the accident, however, as the failed equipment that caused the explosion was owned and operated by drilling firm Transocean.


from the BBC wesite ... transocean is a swiss company that leased the rig from BP.... so strictly speaking it`s not BP`s fault Confused


FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2010.05.04 22:59:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: jason hill
BP has admitted full responsibility for cleaning up the spill.

It has refused to accept blame for the accident, however, as the failed equipment that caused the explosion was owned and operated by drilling firm Transocean.


from the BBC wesite ... transocean is a swiss company that leased the rig from BP.... so strictly speaking it`s not BP`s fault Confused




If you want to go that route, you many also want to take into account Halliburton (HAL) which was under contract to set cement around the pipe where the rig extracted and Cameron International Corporation (CAM) who provided safety valves to the rig. So definitely not strictly BPs fault. Laughing


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