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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:03:00 - [1]
 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270414/British-sniper-sets-new-sharpshooting-record-1-54-mile-double-Taliban-kill.html

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:08:00 - [2]
 

Getting awards for shooting far, I can shoot further without using any hands

TraderJade
Caldari
Secure Production Research and Trading
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:13:00 - [3]
 

British first again ;)

Kirra Liu
Serenity Rising.
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:16:00 - [4]
 

OMG it's a pro sni

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:21:00 - [5]
 

DOUBLE KILL Shocked

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:39:00 - [6]
 

I dont think if I was in that situation I would be able to pull the trigger tbh, this isnt just with guns I dont even shout at people unless alerting (which is the only reason people should).

I mean one second those 'terrorists' are alive then dead by what they claim to be 'terrorists' too ;/

I wasnt always like this and nothing happened to change my views I just didnt see a benefit of killing anything (from insects to humans)

Ah well

fakeedit - eve doesnt count as we are immortal kindda ;)

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:59:00 - [7]
 

Douchebag has tribal tattoos

Kirra Liu
Serenity Rising.
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
I dont think if I was in that situation I would be able to pull the trigger tbh, this isnt just with guns I dont even shout at people unless alerting (which is the only reason people should).

I mean one second those 'terrorists' are alive then dead by what they claim to be 'terrorists' too ;/

I wasnt always like this and nothing happened to change my views I just didnt see a benefit of killing anything (from insects to humans)

Ah well

fakeedit - eve doesnt count as we are immortal kindda ;)


I don't know if you read the whole article or not but the guy was providing sniper support for his teammates who were under fire from the people he shot. If he hadn't have shot the hostiles then he could have come home to one of his teammates funerals, maybe more.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Musical Fist
I dont think if I was in that situation I would be able to pull the trigger tbh, this isnt just with guns I dont even shout at people unless alerting (which is the only reason people should).

I mean one second those 'terrorists' are alive then dead by what they claim to be 'terrorists' too ;/

I wasnt always like this and nothing happened to change my views I just didnt see a benefit of killing anything (from insects to humans)

Ah well

fakeedit - eve doesnt count as we are immortal kindda ;)


I don't know if you read the whole article or not but the guy was providing sniper support for his teammates who were under fire from the people he shot. If he hadn't have shot the hostiles then he could have come home to one of his teammates funerals, maybe more.


I did, I actually was going to include a 'if I was in a situation where someone was going to harm someone, I think I would do something then but would probably feel guilty' but I guaranteed I wouldnt have been flamed for double standards so I deleted it.

But then again even if I killed someone to save another person I would still feel guilty as hell after, dont get me wrong I am not one of those peace for all, lets all get along but I am one of those people who are against all forms of violence, I like my diplomatic / political methods or in the worst case scenario proxy warfare still though I would avoid all means of violence

Trader20
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:34:00 - [10]
 

meh, still not impressed by any human achievements Rolling Eyes

Robots/sentries can get perfect headshots from 10x the distance in the dark. Kinda makes you think how sub-par the human is.

Blue Lines
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:45:00 - [11]
 

A typical offering from the Daily MailRolling Eyes

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2010.05.03 00:17:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
I remember the famous reply that a British sniper made to an obviously disapproving Western TV interviewer in Afghanistan - " and what do you feel when you shoot dead another human being?'. ' a slight recoil in my shoulder" he calmly replied. A job very well done Cpl Harrison.

- Peter, Devon, 02/5/2010 18:22


Twisted Evil

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.05.03 01:56:00 - [13]
 

How is a sniper ever a hero? It's a cowards way of fighting, no matter how it's used. My dad was offered a sniping role in his time of service and turned it down for that very reason...

Killed by a guy with tribals, there's a humiliating end.

Kirra Liu
Serenity Rising.
Posted - 2010.05.03 02:23:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist

I did, I actually was going to include a 'if I was in a situation where someone was going to harm someone, I think I would do something then but would probably feel guilty' but I guaranteed I wouldnt have been flamed for double standards so I deleted it.

But then again even if I killed someone to save another person I would still feel guilty as hell after, dont get me wrong I am not one of those peace for all, lets all get along but I am one of those people who are against all forms of violence, I like my diplomatic / political methods or in the worst case scenario proxy warfare still though I would avoid all means of violence


I understand completley. I don't think I would have an issue doing the job he does and I don't think guilt wuld be a problem for me, however I couldn't say for sure unless I was actually in those situations. Also I don't see how your post could be in anyway taken as double standards, not by the average rational person anyway.


Originally by: Wendat Huron
How is a sniper ever a hero? It's a cowards way of fighting, no matter how it's used. My dad was offered a sniping role in his time of service and turned it down for that very reason...


Yeah totally agree, a man isn't really a man unless he goes to war using his bare fists like a true warrior. Rolling Eyes

Seriously though, there is no cowards way of fighting on the battlefield. Everyone has a job to do and without everyone carrying out their role then they are all destined to fail. The amount of troops who are alive because snipers had their back. In my eyes every soldier who is carrying out their duty is a hero.

Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2010.05.03 04:55:00 - [15]
 

As a wise man once said, "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did something horribly, horribly wrong."

Snipers help alleviate that problem =D

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.05.03 06:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Last Wolf
As a wise man once said, "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did something horribly, horribly wrong."

Snipers help alleviate that problem =D
Fair? Fair is for pussies. Real men fight against stacked odds. If Wendat was there he would've pulled his pistol ran the mile and a half and shot them in the face. Double tap, just to make sure.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.05.03 06:57:00 - [17]
 

The world has a lot of good decent human beings in it - that are serving a poor cause.

Religious intolerance - isn't a good cause.

Organizations Specifically targeting innocent people for the shock effect - aren't fighting in a good cause.

The fact of the matter is - human beings kill each other. It is what we do. it is what we have always done. Peacemaking and Diplomacy work well among nations who respect each other and are not intent on subjugating or killing off those other than themselves. Against those nations willing to use violence - and lies - to perpetuate bad causes - (and no that isn't us - it's our enemies - if you think otherwise - you're a moron) - can only be dealt with through the use of force. Fighting fire with fire - works. You just fire more bullets at them than they can ever hope to fire at you.

For all the peace loving, people out there who believe there should always be a way to avoid violence - go down to the poor side of your town and hang out with the drug dealers and the *****s for a while ... then when you get mugged - try talking the mugger out of it. Good luck with that.

For the people who simply hate the west because we have better lives than they do - well ... if you'd all stop killing each other at the drop of a hat ... maybe you're lives would get a little better ...

Much of the real world is made up of people who are on different sides of an issue - and killing each other over it. Yes - they have their side of things - but they are full of **** - and I'm more than happy to hear that two of our enemies won't be shooting at us or our allies any more.

To all our snipers out there - good on ya mate.

To all the enemy snipers out there - may your rifles jam, your optics fog and your rounds misfire. May the sun glint off your scope, may your shots raise up dust before your position - and may flies bite your face and scorpions crawl up your pants legs as you try to squeeze off a round. May enough of you and your friends die that your side sees the futility of your actions and questions the wisdom of your cause. May you learn that the people killing you - would be your best friends in the world - if only you'd put down your arms and try to help build your societies instead of trying to rule them by force.


Now ... as for those people who don't feel that they have it within them to kill another human being - I had a buddy like that. He served in the 2nd Armored Division as a medic. So - you don't have to be a trigger puller to serve the cause of Freedom. Of course ... most of the people in the military never fire their weapons in anger, they just fill out forms, load trucks or stand at the gates of some base in the home country and wave at cars. But - they are all part of the team. Someone has to shoot the bullets and someone has to haul those bullets halfway around the world for them to do it.




WE are the good guys in this - and our enemies are fighting for a poor cause. Anyone not understanding that - again - is a moron.


Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.03 08:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Trader20
meh, still not impressed by any human achievements Rolling Eyes

Robots/sentries can get perfect headshots from 10x the distance in the dark. Kinda makes you think how sub-par the human is.


Please provide citation of a robot/sentry putting a single unguided round into a target 15 miles away

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.03 09:31:00 - [19]
 

Impressive. I wonder how large they showed, even with 25x magnification. Does the default slider even allow for drop correction at such distances?

JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2010.05.03 10:09:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Impressive. I wonder how large they showed, even with 25x magnification. Does the default slider even allow for drop correction at such distances?


probably not, but I'm sure that's what the phrase "**** it" is around for......

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.03 10:14:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Sokratesz
Impressive. I wonder how large they showed, even with 25x magnification. Does the default slider even allow for drop correction at such distances?


probably not, but I'm sure that's what the phrase "**** it" is around for......


But how are you ever going to aim then? I don't assume they train for that kind of distance, he had to have something to go by, or lots of experience.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.05.03 12:43:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 03/05/2010 12:44:11
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

WE are the good guys in this - and our enemies are fighting for a poor cause. Anyone not understanding that - again - is a moron.



I'm sure the Talibans disagree. We're only the good guys because winning the "war" (War on terror as a whole) is beneficial to us and humanity based on our way of perceiving the world. In fact, people like you who think that there's a "good" and "bad" side are the reason for wars like these in the first place. You're the western equivalent of a Taliban, good job.

And no, I'm pro war in general. Not so sure I like the way the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been conducted though.

I'm no general but it just seems sloppy. Sending a large amount of troops to stomp out any resistance once and for all seems to be the better choice, as opposed to having a smaller force sit there and bleed out resources and human lives because they're incapable of dealing with the enemy.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.05.03 13:01:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Wendat Huron on 03/05/2010 13:10:36
Point remain, anyone not putting himself directly in harms way is never going to be considered a hero in my book, it just doesn't matter what he does from a remote and relatively safe location.

As for the good guy comment, for now, once the Taliban threat is gone and this never ending war on terror shift its gaze to whomever is deemed a destabilizing force to the global economy, then you better not be part of one such minority.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.05.03 13:37:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 03/05/2010 17:17:13
Edited by: baltec1 on 03/05/2010 13:38:53
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Sokratesz
Impressive. I wonder how large they showed, even with 25x magnification. Does the default slider even allow for drop correction at such distances?


probably not, but I'm sure that's what the phrase "**** it" is around for......


But how are you ever going to aim then? I don't assume they train for that kind of distance, he had to have something to go by, or lots of experience.


He is British, its what we do. As a nation we have come up with many many noval ways of battle including apache longbow surfing into battle and have a very unique way of air marshalling.


Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.05.03 15:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Impressive. I wonder how large they showed, even with 25x magnification. Does the default slider even allow for drop correction at such distances?


Bullet drop compensation.

Trader20
Posted - 2010.05.03 19:57:00 - [26]
 

Let's see, lucky sniper using .50 cal or uav's using helfire's shooting 5 times as far and accurate everytime...yea I know who I want to cover me

Machines are better then you and everyone on the face of this earth, you are insuperior to technology. Bow down to ur new machine rulers biatch's. Twisted Evil

So like I said, not impressed, move along......

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.05.03 20:05:00 - [27]
 

ITT: people shocked and appalled that a soldier would shoot and kill a hostile combatant Rolling Eyes

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.05.03 20:19:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
ITT: people shocked and appalled that a soldier would shoot and kill a hostile combatant Rolling Eyes
Which people would that be exactly?Question

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.05.03 21:07:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Edited by: So Sensational on 03/05/2010 12:44:11
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

WE are the good guys in this - and our enemies are fighting for a poor cause. Anyone not understanding that - again - is a moron.



I'm sure the Talibans disagree. We're only the good guys because winning the "war" (War on terror as a whole) is beneficial to us and humanity based on our way of perceiving the world. In fact, people like you who think that there's a "good" and "bad" side are the reason for wars like these in the first place. You're the western equivalent of a Taliban, good job.

...




Ah Horse Manure. Some Wars start because bad people try to take advantage of good people - until other good people such as us come along to defeat them. This is one of those wars.

No - I'm not the western equivalent of the Taliban - I don't advocate the intentional slaughter of helpless civilians. I don't advocate everyone being forcibly converted to my religious beliefs. I am not looking to turn my society back to the dark ages where the local village priest could have you stoned on some trumped up charge if he took exception to your outlook on life.

One of the great fallacies of modern western culture is a belief in moral neutrality. That, from the serial killer's point of view - he was right. The POV of evil people doesn't matter. They're evil - and even it they are merely stupid good people fighting in support of an evil cause - what they are doing is evil.

Religious fanaticism, when taken to the point of forcing your beliefs on others - or killing them - IS evil. They ARE wrong. We ARE right. This isn't just our Point of View - it is a point of view shared by many members of the Muslim faith - such as the ones whose side we are fighting on. In Iraq and Afghanistan - there are plenty of Muslims we are there to support. This isn't actually OUR war. It is the war of the people we are helping.

In WWII - we helped to free the world from the oppression of a racist, totalitarian philosophy.

In the Cold War - we helped to keep much of the world free from an oppressive totalitarian philosophy.

Now - we are fighting against religious extremists who routinely condemn to death anyone whom, in their judgment, has insulted their religion.


There is a difference. There is no moral equivalence. We ARE the Good Guys. They ARE the Bad Guys.

As to you, since that isn't obvious - I've already put you in the proper category.


As to the rest of what you said, - that's actually true - (which just goes to show that even moron's sometimes aren't wrong about everything) but the politicians never want to do anything right, they just want to do it on the cheap. If we hadn't shrunk the military at the end of the cold war the way we did after every other war we've ever been in - we'd have had the troops to do what needed doing - but it was shrunk. If Bush had enlarged the military and passed revenue garnering methods to pay for the war - i.e. taxes - we'd not have the problem and would be in much less debt to China. But whatever ... going in and removing S.a.d.d.a.m and the Taliban from power were good things and George W. had the balls to do it ... which other people (such as Al Gore) might not have done. So ... even if the did somewhat screw it up ... at least he went in there to do what needed to be done.


Oh ... and as to those man power issues in Afghanistan ... we, as a NATO power ... having been attacked by such as the people Osama organized and was supporting the Taliban with - have received some support from our NATO allies. While I appreciate the fact that they have sent some people (especially the UK) - considering the commitments we made to our European Allies during WWI, WWII and The Cold War ... I would appreciate seeing some more. Not to mention a little bit more support from the citizens of those countries we rescued and then defended for 50 years.



M'ktakh
Posted - 2010.05.03 21:11:00 - [30]
 

Meh, there is nothing wrong with imperialism.

Though sugarcoating that did not help the British. On the other hand, the US could and should learn how to conduct a sucessfull COIN operation form Perfidious Albion instead of doing those massive amounts of fail they keep in Iraq and Afghanistan.


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