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The AEther
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.05.02 11:30:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: The AEther on 02/05/2010 11:31:23

According to various studies, 5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi. So I'd expect about same percentage to be playing EVE. This means that in your alliance of 100 people there are probably around 5-10 people who are LGBT. If your alliance has 500 people then chances are that there are 25-50 LGBT people in it. I have no idea what difference that makes to anyone really.


Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.05.02 11:36:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: The AEther
Edited by: The AEther on 02/05/2010 11:31:23

According to various studies, 5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi. So I'd expect about same percentage to be playing EVE. This means that in your alliance of 100 people there are probably around 5-10 people who are LGBT. If your alliance has 500 people then chances are that there are 25-50 LGBT people in it. I have no idea what difference that makes to anyone really.




It means from now on I'll be at the back of the conga line on any POS shoots that's for sure!

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 11:49:00 - [33]
 

What does LGBT stand for? Are LG and BT merging Shocked and by the comments in this thread, making or made a game, much like HoN, sto and the others people will leave eve but will be back.

Plus two communication companies dosent really scream out 'competitive gaming', think I will stick with eve :P especially since they are British too, we fail at everything.

Unity Love
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.02 15:57:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
What does LGBT stand for? Are LG and BT merging Shocked and by the comments in this thread, making or made a game, much like HoN, sto and the others people will leave eve but will be back.

Plus two communication companies dosent really scream out 'competitive gaming', think I will stick with eve :P especially since they are British too, we fail at everything.


this post confused me.

i was also expecting a thread about sandwiches so am pretty disappointed.




Kirra Liu
Serenity Rising.
Posted - 2010.05.02 16:38:00 - [35]
 

In this thread I have learned that Zions Child sees people with opposing opinions as trolls. Also the comment about "5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi" surprised me, I thought it would have been higher, either that or I am just hanging with the wrong crowd Shocked.

Frank Corncob
Posted - 2010.05.02 18:57:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
What does LGBT stand for? Are LG and BT merging Shocked and by the comments in this thread, making or made a game, much like HoN, sto and the others people will leave eve but will be back.

Plus two communication companies dosent really scream out 'competitive gaming', think I will stick with eve :P especially since they are British too, we fail at everything.


It stands for women with too much testosterone, men with too much estrogen, people who want think "bi" equates to being fashionable, and people with birth defects (some confuse this as being a third gender).

The others are here, and want attention. Get used to it.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.05.02 20:02:00 - [37]
 

A decent thread idea, but probably the wrong community to start it in.

It would be interesting to see how many other LGBT folk are around EVE though.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 20:52:00 - [38]
 

Sexuality is % based, like if you put and hot girl and hot guy in front of me, I would probably go shopping with the hot girl ***** about stuff say totally every sentence and max out my credit card then get all tarted up seduce the guy who is most likely straight (straights are soo easy to manipulate it isnt even funny anymore) then have lots of ice cream ;)

Labels, titles, branding should be left for consumer products it doesnt affect people therefore doesnt need to be used, I cant stand it when people announce their sexual orientation (in all forms, straights too)

I also think people abuse the discrimination card alot, which is annoying tbh and the whole pride crap is unfair and imo too pink (which is my worst colour).

I am from UK, EU is pretty chilled compared to US, which makes me wonder why we are acting like we are getting singled out :S

I get criticised alot for this people assume just because I wasnt griefed about my taste in stuff that everyone is fine but I have never actually met a single person gay / lesbian who has actually been mocked for what they like.

As for eve, not that I make it common knowledge about myself but I guess it is pretty obvious since I sound like a ***, no one cares, doesnt make a difference XD

Oh and for the sake of stuff, my ideal world would be where hot skinny strong women ruled over everything and men were slaves, imo this is really how things should be, men might turn me on but man they are useless at everything Wink

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.02 21:57:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/05/2010 22:05:41
Originally by: Rotopod
Edited by: Rotopod on 01/05/2010 18:31:56
Look at me, look at me everyone I'm gay and I desperately want you to know it!

For a peoples that tries so hard to not have your sexual preference define you, you sure go out of your way to draw attention to it.


It's a shame this thread has attracted such responses tbh. It's more matter of people wanting to know they're not alone. Considering the relationships built within eve over the years it only makes sense for people to seek other like minded or even open minded people to associate themselves with.

If caucasians were a minority and you were caucasian... eventually you'd been seeking out other caucasians to associate with. It's human nature to surround ourselves with familiarity.

I'm gay and I don't "desperately want you to know it". I'm simply stating it due to this thread. If asked, I'm honest about it. I have a handful of gay corpies as well and my alliance... well they love us haha!. We're out there... we even have our own in-game channel called "GLBTA".

EVETribune Article
This great article may shine some light on why posts such as these exist.

*awaits the "Star***tion" jokes

Take care

DX4 Recruitment


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:09:00 - [40]
 

Unless I missed some major breakthrough in technology allowing you to have sex over a chat channel, what relevance has gender or sexual orientation in a game like EVE, where most female pilots are played by "straight males" anyway ?
Laughing

fakedithalfjoke: there's no such thing as gay, lesbian or transgender... there's only "annoyed by females, males or your own gender"... and there's no "bisexual", there's only "too horny for your own good"
Twisted Evil humans are not just omnivores, they're omnisexual...
but some are vegetarian or whatever by choice, and that's pretty much the same with sex Laughing

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:12:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Unless I missed some major breakthrough in technology allowing you to have sex over a chat channel, what relevance has gender or sexual orientation in a game like EVE, where most female pilots are played by "straight males" anyway ?
Laughing

fakedithalfjoke: there's no such thing as gay, lesbian or transgender... there's only "annoyed by females, males or your own gender"... and there's no "bisexual", there's only "too horny for your own good"
Twisted Evil humans are not just omnivores, they're omnisexual...
but some are vegetarian or whatever by choice, and that's pretty much the same with sex Laughing




Ok Akita lets try this one again... look above your post @ my previous post and "READ" it

Might make sense to you then Razz

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:16:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Icarus3
Originally by: Rotopod
Edited by: Rotopod on 01/05/2010 18:31:56
Look at me, look at me everyone I'm gay and I desperately want you to know it!

For a peoples that tries so hard to not have your sexual preference define you, you sure go out of your way to draw attention to it.


It's a shame this thread has attracted such responses tbh. It's more matter of people wanting to know they're not alone. Considering the relationships built within eve over the years it only makes sense for people to seek other like minded or even open minded people to associate themselves with.

I'm gay and I don't "desperately want you to know it". I'm simply stated it due to this thread. If asked, I'm honest about it. I have a handful of gay corpies as well and my alliance... well they love us haha!. We're out there... we even have our own in-game channel called "GLBTA".

*awaits the "Star***tion" jokes

Take care




I heard Jade Constantine was hot in RL

c/d?

I actually kindda agree with Roto in the sense that well gaypride / gay events kindda single us out and imo this LGBT was a bad idea, times have changed and we are just singling ourselves out, sure we should support each other but not for sexuality but general support and not narrowing it to sexuality only.

This also applies to awareness related stuff too, merge ALL the support groups together and help EVERYONE ignore all the 'special says' too

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:29:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/05/2010 22:57:47
Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/05/2010 22:33:52
Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/05/2010 22:32:02
Look at me, look at me everyone I'm gay and I desperately want you to know it!

For a peoples that tries so hard to not have your sexual preference define you, you sure go out of your way to draw attention to it.


It's a shame this thread has attracted such responses tbh. It's more matter of people wanting to know they're not alone. Considering the relationships built within eve over the years it only makes sense for people to seek other like minded or even open minded people to associate themselves with.

I'm gay and I don't "desperately want you to know it". I'm simply stated it due to this thread. If asked, I'm honest about it. I have a handful of gay corpies as well and my alliance... well they love us haha!. We're out there... we even have our own in-game channel called "GLBTA".

*awaits the "Star***tion" jokes

Take care




I heard Jade Constantine was hot in RL

c/d?

I actually kindda agree with Roto in the sense that well gaypride / gay events kindda single us out and imo this LGBT was a bad idea, times have changed and we are just singling ourselves out, sure we should support each other but not for sexuality but general support and not narrowing it to sexuality only.

This also applies to awareness related stuff too, merge ALL the support groups together and help EVERYONE ignore all the 'special says' too


I can see where this stance comes from, but one must realize that without these minority events, time would not have been changed and if so would progress far slower than they have.

By the beginning of the civil rights era in the 1950s, antimiscegenation statutes were still on the books in sixteen states, mostly in the South and the Midwest. In 1958 Richard Loving, a white man, and Mildred Jeter, a black woman, went to Washington, D.C., which did not forbid interracial marriage, to get married. When they returned to their Virginia home they were arrested and convicted of violating Virginia’s antimiscegenation statute. Under Virginia’s law, the 1–5 year prison sentence for marrying across racial lines applied even if the couple was married in a state that allowed interracial marriage. The Lovings were sentenced to one year in prison. For nine years after their arrest they waged a legal battle through the courts, and in 1967 the Supreme Court reversed the Lovings’ convictions. “Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State,” wrote Chief Justice Earl Warren in Loving v. Virginia. The Supreme Court decision effectively invalidated all existing antimiscegenation legislation.

I hope people can see the similarities here. People protest and raise awareness for very good reasons.

On a final note, Jade isn't a bad looking guy. Fortunately enough for him he's not my type as I'm not attracted to older men. Lol

I completely agree that everyone should be under the same banner... everyone is a minority in their own ways. It's sad that even within minorities(regardless which) people create segregation in their own communities no matter how small a community they're a part of.

*corrected*

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:34:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Unless I missed some major breakthrough in technology allowing you to have sex over a chat channel, what relevance has gender or sexual orientation in a game like EVE, where most female pilots are played by "straight males" anyway ?
Laughing

fakedithalfjoke: there's no such thing as gay, lesbian or transgender... there's only "annoyed by females, males or your own gender"... and there's no "bisexual", there's only "too horny for your own good"
Twisted Evil humans are not just omnivores, they're omnisexual...
but some are vegetarian or whatever by choice, and that's pretty much the same with sex Laughing



To the first paragraph, yeh I agree sexuality has no relevance to eve careless of if you are straight / gay / bi

I actually written alot explaining how you were wrong on the rest of what you said, then I decided to delete and play minesweeper

I hate topics like these tbh :(


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:38:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 22:44:57

Originally by: Icarus3
Ok Akita lets try this one again... look above your post @ my previous post and "READ" it Might make sense to you then Razz

Can't say it does... unless you took Rotopod seriously, that is ? Or if Rotopod's response would be relevant.
Care to explain the viewpoint you wished to convey with that ?
As for my viewpoint, if it wasn't already clear : to me, talk of sexual orientation has no more relevance than talks about culinary preferences or favourite TV shows... probably even less than that. I won't treat any corpmate differently because he doesn't like the same foods, same TV shows or might have a different sexual orientation, and it will never be a factor whenever deciding if a person should be accepted as corpmate or not. I will find nothing wrong with joking about it either, as long as they understand it's a joke, for the only purpose of time-killing smalltalk, if the subject might get brought up.

Originally by: Musical Fist
I actually written alot explaining how you were wrong on the rest of what you said, then I decided to delete and play minesweeper

Are you trying to say that you have sufficient reasons to make the assumption that sexual orientation is mainly genetic as opposed to mainly being the result of several behavioural/environmental/social/other non-genetic factors ? Laughing

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:43:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Icarus3 on 02/05/2010 22:46:12
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 22:40:38

Originally by: Icarus3
Ok Akita lets try this one again... look above your post @ my previous post and "READ" it Might make sense to you then Razz

Can't say it does... unless you took Rotopod seriously, that is ? Or if Rotopod's response would be relevant.
Care to explain the viewpoint you wished to convey with that ?
As for my viewpoint, if it wasn't already clear : to me, talk of sexual orientation has no more relevance than talks about culinary preferences or favourite TV shows... probably even less than that. I won't treat any corpmate differently because he doesn't like the same foods, same TV shows or might have a different sexual orientation, and it will never be a factor whenever deciding if a person should be accepted as corpmate or not. I will find nothing wrong with joking about it either, as long as they understand it's a joke, for the only purpose of time-killing smalltalk, if the subject might get brought up.

Originally by: Musical Fist
I actually written alot explaining how you were wrong on the rest of what you said, then I decided to delete and play minesweeper

Are you trying to say that sexual orientation is genetic as opposed to behavioural/environmental/social/other non-genetic factors ? Laughing



Lol don't get me wrong. My earlier post was meant to be in a humorous teasing manner. Seriously though, I had read that you failed to see the relevance in this. I believe my explanations as to why these happen is simple enough to understand really.

We all have our own opinions. If some don't see the relevance of it doesn't mean others won't and that it's not legit.

Everyone jokes around for sure. Inappropriate content removed.Applebabe

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:44:00 - [47]
 

Europe - Doesnt care about what you are, yay lucky me
USA - dunno what went wrong, learn from Canada *****es :P
Asia - The muslim countries :facepalm: to the rest, I can work with those 'dont ask, dont tell' rules, dont like them but I can adapt
Africa / Australia / South America - dont have enough info on these, I would assume South Africa and Australia are fine but w/e

Some coutries have gay people executed, my issue with these pride things / LGBT ONLY suport thingies are they are really only helping those who imo would get the same help from a friend since well all you need is someone to talk to.

Times imo have changed and I dont think these events (which imo arent that great) or groups are necessary, this isnt stonewall or w/e its called anymore

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:49:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
USA - dunno what went wrong [...] The muslim countries[...]

Abrahamic religions (the militant parts thereof), that's where the problem can be traced back to.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:52:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 22:44:57

Originally by: Icarus3
Ok Akita lets try this one again... look above your post @ my previous post and "READ" it Might make sense to you then Razz

Can't say it does... unless you took Rotopod seriously, that is ? Or if Rotopod's response would be relevant.
Care to explain the viewpoint you wished to convey with that ?
As for my viewpoint, if it wasn't already clear : to me, talk of sexual orientation has no more relevance than talks about culinary preferences or favourite TV shows... probably even less than that. I won't treat any corpmate differently because he doesn't like the same foods, same TV shows or might have a different sexual orientation, and it will never be a factor whenever deciding if a person should be accepted as corpmate or not. I will find nothing wrong with joking about it either, as long as they understand it's a joke, for the only purpose of time-killing smalltalk, if the subject might get brought up.

Originally by: Musical Fist
I actually written alot explaining how you were wrong on the rest of what you said, then I decided to delete and play minesweeper

Are you trying to say that you have sufficient reasons to make the assumption that sexual orientation is mainly genetic as opposed to mainly being the result of several behavioural/environmental/social/other non-genetic factors ? Laughing



Bio chemistry / psychology / biology / genetics

Go study them ;) I cant stand these types of topics, controversial threads are gay. My aim isn’t to convince you of anything, you serve me no benefit therefore I don’t care what you say but I will gladly point out the areas you should check if you want.

Saying that I will continue with the non serious threads and most likely will see you there too ;) unfortunately Laughing

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:55:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Musical Fist
USA - dunno what went wrong [...] The muslim countries[...]

Abrahamic religions (the militant parts thereof), that's where the problem can be traced back to.



Yeah you missed my point but never mind, off to bed anyway, careless of sexuality you will always be my *****!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.05.02 22:59:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 23:02:44

Originally by: Musical Fist
Quote:
Are you trying to say that you have sufficient reasons to make the assumption that sexual orientation is mainly genetic as opposed to mainly being the result of several behavioural/environmental/social/other non-genetic factors ?

Bio chemistry / psychology / biology / genetics Go study them ;)

I probably studied them sufficiently long to conclude that there is no conclusive/decisive link between genetics and sexual orientation.
The studies that were made so far in that particular direction (and there weren't many) were marred by experimenter's bias, and even those trying to prove that the main factor is genetic didn't manage to positively prove that link in spite of heavy bias.
If a link between genetics and non-heterosexual preference exists, it's most likely not the main factor in deciding the sexual orientation of a person.

Originally by: Musical Fist
you will always be my *****!

Nah, Akita was my ***** Twisted Evil Female rottweiler Laughing Name given to her by my sister Razz

Originally by: Musical Fist
Yeah you missed my point

We agree on that one. Care to re-state it so I won't just sit there with a blank stare in my eyes ? Smile

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:06:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 23:02:11

Originally by: Musical Fist
Quote:
Are you trying to say that you have sufficient reasons to make the assumption that sexual orientation is mainly genetic as opposed to mainly being the result of several behavioural/environmental/social/other non-genetic factors ?

Bio chemistry / psychology / biology / genetics Go study them ;)

I probably studied them sufficiently long to conclude that there is no conclusive/decisive link between genetics and sexual orientation.
The studies that were made so far in that particular direction (and there weren't many) were marred by experimenter's bias, and even those trying to prove that the main factor is genetic didn't manage to positively prove that link in spite of heavy bias.
If a link between genetics and non-heterosexual preference exists, it's most likely not the main factor in deciding the sexual orientation of a person.

Originally by: Musical Fist
you will always be my *****!

Nah, Akita was my ***** Twisted Evil Female rottweiler Laughing

Originally by: Musical Fist
Yeah you missed my point

We agree on that one. Care to re-state it so I won't just sit there with a blank stare in my eyes ? Smile


Never stop trolling Wink

Oh but on a different note, should have mentioned this before.

The reason I dont obsess over sexuality is well on my long term life goals it isnt even a priority, every now and then someone is born who focuses on ambition / asperations rather than relationships and wanting to reproduce like bacteria.

Sex I can have without all the branding but without all the generic drama.

So I usually lol at people who actually prioritise their life over stuff like this anyway but thats a different story anyway.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:14:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/05/2010 23:19:35

Well, who wouldn't like three clones of themselves, one of the same and two of the other gender ? Twisted Evil

P.S. Try reading "All You Zombies" or even "Time Enough for Love" by Robert Heinlein, or maybe "The Man Who Folded Himself" by David Gerrold for a few good laughs.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:22:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Musical Fist on 02/05/2010 23:22:28
Originally by: Akita T
Well, who wouldn't like three clones of themselves, one of the same and two of the other gender ? Twisted Evil



I am pretty narcissistic, I for one would like a clone army, for sexual pleasures and to generally do all my work for me while I spend hours spamming forums.

You should check the drama on Yahoo answers, im on my 28th account in 2 years and have gotten 6 IPs blocked, lets just put it this way if CCP moderated like yahoo these forums would barely have 1 topic a day ;) ) saying that, YA has sweet drama

edit: and now I goto sleep for real

Potrero
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:30:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Well, who wouldn't like three clones of themselves, one of the same and two of the other gender ?
Truly a nightmarish thought. On the upside, if anyone told you to go ---- yourself at least you'd be able to comply.

Originally by: The AEther
5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi.
Seems way high to me.

I live in a "gay neighborhood" within San Francisco. Even here I'd be hard pressed to call the gay population higher than 15 or 20 percent.

W3370Pi4
Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2010.05.02 23:33:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 02/05/2010 23:33:12
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Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Posted - 2010.05.03 01:36:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Potrero
Originally by: Akita T
Well, who wouldn't like three clones of themselves, one of the same and two of the other gender ?
Truly a nightmarish thought. On the upside, if anyone told you to go ---- yourself at least you'd be able to comply.

Originally by: The AEther
5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi.
Seems way high to me.

I live in a "gay neighborhood" within San Francisco. Even here I'd be hard pressed to call the gay population higher than 15 or 20 percent.


You forget about the excessive quantity in the closet, on the down low, etc. As for why I generally get ****ed off, its because America is not particularly nice to gay people, yeah, San Francisco is nice, Chicago is nice, most major cities are pretty much fine with gay people. Then there's the rest of the country, and people like that **** Palin, and the teabaggers, and the neo-cons, and it just ****es me off. My friend got jumped as he was walking home by fifteen people saying they were going to kill him because he was gay, luckily there was a police car not less than a block away. This was in Chicago, mind you, one of the most gay-friendly cities in America...

And I really don't see what the issue is with letting others know you're gay. A while back there was a post where a South African wanted to know if there were any other South Africans in the game. Suppose he should have been told that it doesn't matter and he's just calling unneeded attention to himself too... Rolling Eyes

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.05.03 02:55:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Zions Child
Originally by: Potrero
Originally by: Akita T
Well, who wouldn't like three clones of themselves, one of the same and two of the other gender ?
Truly a nightmarish thought. On the upside, if anyone told you to go ---- yourself at least you'd be able to comply.

Originally by: The AEther
5 to 10% of human population are gay, lesbian, or bi.
Seems way high to me.

I live in a "gay neighborhood" within San Francisco. Even here I'd be hard pressed to call the gay population higher than 15 or 20 percent.


You forget about the excessive quantity in the closet, on the down low, etc. As for why I generally get ****ed off, its because America is not particularly nice to gay people, yeah, San Francisco is nice, Chicago is nice, most major cities are pretty much fine with gay people. Then there's the rest of the country, and people like that **** Palin, and the teabaggers, and the neo-cons, and it just ****es me off. My friend got jumped as he was walking home by fifteen people saying they were going to kill him because he was gay, luckily there was a police car not less than a block away. This was in Chicago, mind you, one of the most gay-friendly cities in America...

And I really don't see what the issue is with letting others know you're gay. A while back there was a post where a South African wanted to know if there were any other South Africans in the game. Suppose he should have been told that it doesn't matter and he's just calling unneeded attention to himself too... Rolling Eyes



Well spoken Zions. I am pleased to witness such a like minded response to my own.Wink

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.05.03 03:02:00 - [59]
 

I see this thread as less about Gay and Lesbian and more about Transgender, in the sense that trans abuse and bigotry is high in way too many countries and trans people usually feel more alone.

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2010.05.03 05:22:00 - [60]
 

Where is backdoor bandit?


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