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Tas Nok
Posted - 2010.04.27 09:38:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Tas Nok on 27/04/2010 09:39:16
Edited by: Tas Nok on 27/04/2010 09:38:28Typo in the topic


I was scanning through 6 systems in LS forge looking for a WH entrance to test PI there when I mentioned this in the Singularity channel and was told how to move about with the moveme bot...

Very Happyx 1 billion
absolutely frikkin awsome... able to move from a seeded station to any system in moments, with full gear for a POS and all the PI fixins... whoever did this deserves a medal (a BIG one)

I understand some griping has occured due to missed kills and some potential for exploits, and most important in my mind is keeping TQ and Sisi the same as possible. To the first one, move along, the kills don't count, to the second, without any reliable info I'm not sure this is a problem, just a paranoid concern, the third however, seems very valid and if the bot is affecting the build in any way (I'm guessing moving stuck players on TQ uses the same code) then yes it ought to be removed, Sad

IMHO, the best solution would be a timer or a counter allowing x moves per hour (6 to 8 ought to do fine) or x moves per day (double the numbers?) just being able to move a full load of gear quickly to test things like PI, this is a HUGE time saver and will allow me to test out several systems rather than being limited to the planets near the goods.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.27 10:21:00 - [2]
 

Yeah, I was really looking forward to using this to experiment with PI.

Please make the bot able to move to any system if you are anywhere but FD-. Actually you can just disable the bot for FD- sourced requests, and then all the dueling ***s can *** around like the killmail ***s they are.

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.27 10:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Please make the bot able to move to any system if you are anywhere but FD-. Actually you can just disable the bot for FD- sourced requests, and then all the dueling ***s can *** around like the killmail ***s they are.

Good suggestion.

The Pricer
Posted - 2010.04.27 11:19:00 - [4]
 

how do u acess it?Razz

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2010.04.27 11:52:00 - [5]
 

LE SIGH.

Atropos, I know this is a personal venture, but if you don't want to have to deal with ***gots like these idiots escaping fights (On SISI? REALLY? You must be the biggest pack of ***s ever), just have something like:


if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")


It'd be amusing if you could kick them from the moveme channel for 2 hours if they're scrammed.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.04.27 12:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Xyfu
LE SIGH.

Atropos, I know this is a personal venture, but if you don't want to have to deal with ***gots like these idiots escaping fights (On SISI? REALLY? You must be the biggest pack of ***s ever), just have something like:


if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")


It'd be amusing if you could kick them from the moveme channel for 2 hours if they're scrammed.


So when someone tackles you with a ship which shouldn't be in an FFA beacon or when you're tackled on station for no apparent reason and you would like to continue on with your journey you're punished?

Stop being a ***, Sisi killmails mean nothing.

Atropos, you daaa man.

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2010.04.27 12:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Xyfu
LE SIGH.

Atropos, I know this is a personal venture, but if you don't want to have to deal with ***gots like these idiots escaping fights (On SISI? REALLY? You must be the biggest pack of ***s ever), just have something like:


if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")


It'd be amusing if you could kick them from the moveme channel for 2 hours if they're scrammed.


So when someone tackles you with a ship which shouldn't be in an FFA beacon or when you're tackled on station for no apparent reason and you would like to continue on with your journey you're punished?

Stop being a ***, Sisi killmails mean nothing.

Atropos, you daaa man.
You contradict yourself. Killmails on sisi mean nothing, so losing a ship to a carrier in FFA3 doesn't matter one bit, but being cheated out of a chance to say "gf" is the problem.

Besides, that's not a legitimate reason to exploit. People got killed in the wrong beacons before, they posted on the forums. They didn't exploit out of it.

0/10.

Also, 7 sammiches and 4 glasses of milk.

CCP Atropos

Posted - 2010.04.27 12:43:00 - [8]
 

Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.

Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
Posted - 2010.04.27 12:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Xyfu

if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")



I don't think the bot can integrate with the client that sophisticatedly. It probably monitors the chat channel for a line with the moveme token, parses out the character name and destination, and formats a command that is input into the dev-hax console, with some condition checking out side of the client. The most that can be done would be the previously mentioned time/move limit.

Bubbled
Posted - 2010.04.27 13:53:00 - [10]
 

I agree with the Op, the moveme bot was a awesome tool but unfortunately ppl abused it for lame reasons and some whined for more lame reasons.
Also I agree with CCP Atropos, he invested time in this personal project but some can't stop acting childish so he did what he had to do.
So thank you CCP Atropos for the bot no matter how it works now.
And no cookies for the whiners.

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.27 15:08:00 - [11]
 

I'm sorry to see the moveme bot go, it was a very usefull tool for testing things.
I found out the hard way today, when I had a discussion with someone about testing some things
regarding PI's. ( wether or not you can ninja stuff from someone's custom office when bringing it up from the planet ) He was 33 jumps away from me, so unless flying 33 jumps there to test,
and then 33 jumps back to my planets to continue my own thing, no thank you.

It's a friggin TEST server.. people exploiting a testing tool.. lame... people whining about missing out on a 'kill' on a test server... double lame.

Thank you for making the thing in the first place Atropos, it's a pity there's people out there that can't help but abuse testing tools for stuff other than what they are intended for... TESTING.


Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2010.04.27 15:20:00 - [12]
 

Moveme bot was great for testing stuff, shame to see it go just to satisfy the people who only play on Sisi for risk-free PvP

Shana Matika
Posted - 2010.04.27 16:00:00 - [13]
 

Well thanks for the Bot.
Very sad that some idiots (again) ruined such a great tool for testing.

For all those "*cry* The other moved away before I got my Killmail *crx*" Babies:
Thanks, thanks very much ...

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2010.04.27 16:09:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Valeo Galaem
Originally by: Xyfu

if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")



I don't think the bot can integrate with the client that sophisticatedly. It probably monitors the chat channel for a line with the moveme token, parses out the character name and destination, and formats a command that is input into the dev-hax console, with some condition checking out side of the client. The most that can be done would be the previously mentioned time/move limit.
Ok.


import devhax
def move(player,destination):
try:
system=devhax.system(destination)
devhax.move(player, system)
except lolccperrorwheeee:
print("Yada yada system name.")

#input loop

if not devhax.docked("Xyfu"):
if not devhax.EWar("Xyfu"):
move("Xyfu", "FD-")
else:
move("Xyfu", "FD-")

Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.04.27 18:52:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.


While I have not been on SISI to use the move bot it sounds like it was a useful tool. Thanks for the personal time spent on the project. I hope it returns in the future sometime.

As to the whiners... arrrgh. I can't even start. Just HTFU. Thanks.

The Pricer
Posted - 2010.04.27 19:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.


While I have not been on SISI to use the move bot it sounds like it was a useful tool. Thanks for the personal time spent on the project. I hope it returns in the future sometime.

As to the whiners... arrrgh. I can't even start. Just HTFU. Thanks.


^This...heh think u got my CSM vote for this post Smile

Jeffie JR
Posted - 2010.04.27 19:32:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.



OMG AWAY rest of week FFFFS so still not gonna get moved to fd grrrr, AND NO I CANT fly you numnuts ppl supercap!

The Pricer
Posted - 2010.04.27 19:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jeffie JR
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.



OMG AWAY rest of week FFFFS so still not gonna get moved to fd grrrr, AND NO I CANT fly you numnuts ppl supercap!


God ur all winers...its soo hard to fly to FD Evil or Very MadRolling Eyes

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.27 19:53:00 - [19]
 

Pricer, it's usefull for MORE than just moving to FD.

Not everyone and their dog tests stuff in FD, people also go to other places for testing things.
Like inside a wormhole for instance, the movebot made doing this a lot easier.

Jeffie JR
Posted - 2010.04.27 20:04:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Jeffie JR on 27/04/2010 20:04:11
Originally by: The Pricer
Originally by: Jeffie JR
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Well, Sisi is in VIP (I think) at present, and I'm going away for the rest of the week from tomorrow, so the bot will be offline. Also I made it so you can only move to FD-MLJ. It's not a personal taxi service, nor is it for getting out of fights on Sisi of all places.

The development of the bot isn't a democracy to be voted upon, but a personal project I invested my out of work hours into. I have neither the inclination nor desire to play catchup for the loopholes in it, so I simply made it ******ed; FD or bust.



OMG AWAY rest of week FFFFS so still not gonna get moved to fd grrrr, AND NO I CANT fly you numnuts ppl supercap!




God ur all winers...its soo hard to fly to FD Evil or Very MadRolling Eyes




HEY NUMNUTS SUPERCAPS CANT USE GATES

The Pricer
Posted - 2010.04.27 20:30:00 - [21]
 

you would "need" your cap there cauz?Rolling Eyes

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.27 20:40:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: The Pricer
you would "need" your cap there cauz?Rolling Eyes

go troll somewhere else

getting back on topic, I still think the suggestion in the second post is a good one

The Pricer
Posted - 2010.04.27 23:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
getting back on topic, I still think the suggestion in the second post is a good one


Indeed it would stop most people, allthough going to have to wait a week now for CCP Atropos to come back Smile

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2010.04.27 23:48:00 - [24]
 

I propose nothing but "<3"s in this thread from now 'til Atropos' triumphant return, to convince him to reinstate the bot.

I'LL START.

<3

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.27 23:59:00 - [25]
 

<3 Atropos Laughing

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.04.28 00:02:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Amberlamps on 28/04/2010 00:05:17
Edited by: Amberlamps on 28/04/2010 00:03:43
Originally by: Xyfu
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Xyfu
LE SIGH.

Atropos, I know this is a personal venture, but if you don't want to have to deal with ***gots like these idiots escaping fights (On SISI? REALLY? You must be the biggest pack of ***s ever), just have something like:


if not player.docked:
player.warp_initiate() #at a low speed
#wait 40 seconds
if player.warping:
#move
else:
print("LOLNO FAYG")


It'd be amusing if you could kick them from the moveme channel for 2 hours if they're scrammed.


So when someone tackles you with a ship which shouldn't be in an FFA beacon or when you're tackled on station for no apparent reason and you would like to continue on with your journey you're punished?

Stop being a ***, Sisi killmails mean nothing.

Atropos, you daaa man.
You contradict yourself. Killmails on sisi mean nothing, so losing a ship to a carrier in FFA3 doesn't matter one bit, but being cheated out of a chance to say "gf" is the problem.

Besides, that's not a legitimate reason to exploit. People got killed in the wrong beacons before, they posted on the forums. They didn't exploit out of it.

0/10.

Also, 7 sammiches and 4 glasses of milk.


I really didn't contradict myself, Sisi is for testing not being shot at pointlessly for being a douche when they shouldn't be doing so. Testing costs me time and if I knew of a way to save me the extra 5/10 minutes it takes to wait for docking timer/ship boarding timer/fitting/shipp undocking timer to resume my testing then **** that. Just because some ***** is after some cheap shots on someone and then gets cheesed off that they "exploited" their way out.

In an FFA beacon its the same instance... a guy jumps in a carrier and lands on say battlecruiser only, sure it doesn't cost you any ISK but it certainly costs you some ****ing time that some douche decides to come along and waste your time, of course I'm going to attempt to "exploit" my way out.

Theres a blatant disregard for the rules on Sisi and those should be banned, however the moveme bot was a simple workaround for those simple few who were getting shot whilst Planetary interacting etc.

Quote:
but being cheated out of a chance to say "gf" is the problem


D' ****? That is a problem to you? The problem is a lack of self control on some of the FFA beacons and the vast majority of FD.

Killmails mean nothing on sisi... having my time wasted by some idiot pew pew'ing innocent bystanders at planets is annoying.

Therefore I did not contradict myself so thank you and good night.

Edit:

Quote:
0/10. Also, 7 sammiches and 4 glasses of milk.


Learn when to use 0-10/10, then wasn't the time. Also I think the idea of Sisi is so that we can in some sense find those "exploits" and iron them out with the upcoming updates.



Tas Nok
Posted - 2010.04.28 00:54:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Tas Nok on 28/04/2010 00:56:17
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Please make the bot able to move to any system if you are anywhere but FD-.

Excellent suggestion to help the whiners and idiots that make it so we can't have nice things on Sisi, to the poster who suggested what's wrong with flying to FD? I pay for the game on TQ. Sisi is where I come to learn so me, my corp/alliance aren't screwed on day 1 of the patch... the less time I spend AP 30 jumps gathering gear and setting it up and then going back for a return trip the better.

This is an absolute boon for WH dwellers, not having to scan out your hole, and then ap to a local seeded hub, then head back... woulda cut down my wasted time considerably.

Oh and <3 atropos Very Happy greatest dev evar!!!!!

lovely song
Posted - 2010.04.28 03:08:00 - [28]
 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
put moveme bot back, the way it worked, so that you can move to any system you want ...

it was AWEMSOME INCREDIBLY COOL tool, and screw you lame lamos who abused it in some stupid fashion. who cares anyway if someone teleported out from FFA beacon to avoid loss, that just lame on test server, the only person who the punish with that is themselves. If you die on test trying some combat sutff, then just die and gain some valuable understanding what is fail fit and what is not.

and here it goes again - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put moveme bot back as it worked before !!!!!!! 1111111 :)

Tender Ice
Posted - 2010.04.28 11:03:00 - [29]
 

I too am a WH dweller and would REALLY appreciate the moveme bot back!!! It is such a waste of time to have to scan your way out of a WH on the test server just to grab stuff to go back in and test. PLEASE bring it back!

Assaj Ventress
Posted - 2010.04.28 11:30:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Assaj Ventress on 28/04/2010 11:30:41
Not to mention that WH entrances are not spawning currently on sisi - there's no way for WH dwellers to test their stuff, including PI in wormholes. Please, resurrect the bot! We all appreciate all the great work you put into helping capsuleers!


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