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Irvynn
Posted - 2010.04.22 17:16:00 - [31]
 

Did we seriously need another whiny post on this topic?
It's a part of 0.0 life and stealth is working as intended.
Deal with it and learn to protect yourself from what you fear. What you are really asking for is freedom to rat solo without worry or risk.... That is not feasible in EvE.
If an afk cloaker shuts you down then you shouldn't be in 0.0 anyway.

Ohhh Matron
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:14:00 - [32]
 

Perfectly valid tactic in my opinion.

Worked a treat for the German U-Boats in WW2.

Aralieus
Amarr
Shadowbane Syndicate
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:18:00 - [33]
 

Afk cloaker=Recon w/covert cyno ready to hot drop your a$$ when you least expect it, they just want you to think there afk Twisted Evil

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2010.04.22 18:34:00 - [34]
 

I am not willing to response all the crap I've written in all other threads.

Thread reported as spam.

Helmh0ltz
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.04.22 19:28:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Helmh0ltz on 22/04/2010 19:33:48
[Ibis, AFK Stealth Bully]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN Digital Booster Rockets

Improved Cloaking Device II
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S]

1xHobgoblin II

39dps
Cap Stable

Edited for dps numbers

Gaelron
War Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.23 04:59:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Gaelron on 23/04/2010 05:00:19
Edited by: Gaelron on 23/04/2010 04:59:46
I still think cloakers should be probe-able. That way they are still immune to players if they keep moving but if they go afk in a system somewhere to go smoke while scaring miners... boom headshot!!!


Haramir Haleths
Caldari
Nutella Bande
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:42:00 - [37]
 

00 and cloaks works as defined. If you want securness leave 00.

Ste Weiss
modro
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2010.04.23 11:30:00 - [38]
 

It's a game, if you fear something in the game you really need to get out more.

I think its stupid to put a timer on a AFK cloaker, some people have real lifes and might need to get to a safe and cloak to do RL stuff.

There is nothing wrong with the cloaking mods, your just trying to find a problem where there is none, there are more things that need touched up rather than a cloaking mod.

Titus Io
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:26:00 - [39]
 

If AFK cloaking really bothers you then move to w-space. Tonnes of cloakers and you won't have a clue they're there. Much easier on your mental health.

Salient
Caldari
APOCALYPSE LEGION
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:42:00 - [40]
 

these threads make me laugh so hard

Riedlim
Posted - 2010.04.23 18:27:00 - [41]
 

lol @ Stealth bullying

What are they going to complain about next?
Gate camp ****rs?

Wow, I never expected there to be so many carebears in 0.0

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.04.23 18:36:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Riedlim
lol @ Stealth bullying

What are they going to complain about next?
Gate camp ****rs?

Wow, I never expected there to be so many carebears in 0.0
The dangers of 0.0 are greatly overrated.

It's so easy to farm, that even Chinese macro ratters do it. It's about as involving as high sec mining, only with more cash. It's mostly thanks to local chat mechanics and log out tricks to bypass gate camps.

Most high sec carebears who fear 0.0 simply have wrong misconceptions, and they could learn alot from their Chinese counter parts, if only they could speak the same language.

Larinioides cornutus
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:12:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
Stuff


It's likely not possible to implement these with current mechanism of cloak. See point 1c of my theorycrafting topic.

D3rg3
Posted - 2010.04.24 14:51:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
To sumarize the useful signal and ignore the noise...

Amanda Mor and Italian Wedding sum up the issue succinctly: the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.


Implementation suggestions:

Two ways to fix cloaking:
1) allow probing after some time;
2) decloak after some time. (Amanda Mor & Vorekk)

Both require some way to detect AFKness. Ideas are:
a) lack of keyboard and mouse input; (easily defeatable) (foksieloy)
b) intellegent keyboard or mouse input. (bot defeatable) (op)

(and we also need to cover people who run multiple clients on a single machine, meaning that input must be directed at the active client and not just any client)

Although I agree with Amanda Mor (when a player is active, cloaked ships should not be scannable), until a non-defeatable way to detect player presence appears, I'm going to have to suggest:

3) set a maximum limit on cloak time per 'cycle' for ships carrying weapons regardless of player activity.

Here a 'cloaking capacitor' on a potentially destructive ship needs to recharge before the cloak can be made active again, similar to on-lining a module while undocked (the cap needs to be at 95% before on-line succeeds).

Bots could still keep a combat ship cloaked half of the time while a player is away (despite CCP rules bots still happen) but the more time a destructive ship is cloaked, the more time is required to be uncloaked. Docking should also reset the 'cloak capacitor'.


Previous thread.




no

you dont have a right to total safety while you mine/rat/etc

afk cloaking is not only an important part of psych warfare, it is one of very few equalizers in a game that favors numbers

Merrick Tolkien
Shadow Company
Posted - 2010.04.26 14:17:00 - [45]
 

Why is it no one considers the cloak as the counter to probes? why is it always the cloak is bad, nerf it?

Why should probers have the right to find you all the time when all you want is to safe spot in peace Very Happy

NeoFusion
Caldari
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
Posted - 2010.04.26 15:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
There should be no reward for inactivity.


There should be no award for blindly moving from belt to belt killing rats or running missions without paying attention to your surroundings.

If you want to teach AFK cloakers a lesson, spend a few days teaching your ratters/missioners how to stay aligned, scan for combat probes, PVP-fit and generally be aware of their surroundings. Get them into the mindset that they are not safe at any time, ever.

Then for a few days keep an on-duty recon team in local and send your ratters out to enjoy themselves. Bait the cloaker into thinking he's got a juicy ratter waiting to die then spank him (If you've got a good number of recons to hold him, wait for a dictor to come out and grab his pod to make his loss much more demoralising.)

Do this two or three times and he'll be too scared to uncloak for fear of you're 'AFK cloakers' getting him.

Problem solved (albeit with a little bit of work) Twisted Evil

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2010.04.26 16:17:00 - [47]
 

WTB system-wide decloaking doomsday... Rolling Eyes

Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
Vindicare Temple
Posted - 2010.04.26 16:17:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Zmorana

Amanda Mor and Italian Wedding sum up the issue succinctly: the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.



Monopoly on fear? What? If your so afraid of other people being in system with you, then stay docked. That is all.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.04.26 16:36:00 - [49]
 

I'd rather have a monopoly on beer

Lutz Major
Posted - 2010.04.26 17:00:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Dlardrageth
WTB system-wide decloaking doomsday... Rolling Eyes
THAT would be a nice implementation! Sov-holder can make a system-wide sweep every >insert complicated equation result< hours, which uncloaks all ships.

Active pilots cloak again, AFKing will be dealt with.

Device can only be installed at a large POS (so it will cost upkeep indirectly) and can - of course - be destroyed therefor.

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.04.26 17:58:00 - [51]
 

Posting in another "I'm upset I can't rat AFK" thread.

Mikhail Dmitriev
Posted - 2010.04.26 20:44:00 - [52]
 

I think a buildup of heat in the cloaking subsystems is totally reasonable. It would be slow, and allow any actual cloaked gangs to remain hidden until theyw anted to be seen, but would not allow AFK cloaking in hostile space.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.04.27 07:04:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Lutz Major
Active pilots cloak again, AFKing will be dealt with.


Put cloak on f1.
Put rock on f1.
Doubleclick somewhere.
?
Profit.

Mark Hadden
Amarr
Endstati0n
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.27 08:56:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Mikhail Dmitriev
but would not allow AFK cloaking in hostile space.


there is nothing wrong about afk cloaking (in hostile space).

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2010.04.27 11:28:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
Oh, it is this thread again.

Copy paste:
"If you have problem with AFK pilots, do not look at local. If you have problem with pilots who are not AFK, go back to empire.
Also, carebear in a PvP fit, it is not like it is that hard that you need specialized fits. Unless you want to AFK carebear.
In which case you sure are a hypocrite."


Hmmm... What this guy said! ^

Better still, fix local and make it delayed!

Flios Bror
Amarr
Wildly Inappropriate
Posted - 2010.04.27 12:11:00 - [56]
 

If CCP decides to penalize being AFK while cloaked, they could do this by letting the cloak-module produce small amounts of heat. <storyline>This heat-buildup is because the ship cannot radiate thermal energy anymore to avoid detection of thermal signature</storyline>

CCP can play with heat-production of the different types of mods to balance it.

Players need to be uncloaked once every X minutes to cool down, which could be enough time to be probed down. This probing can then be traditionally evaded by warping around.

Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.04.27 13:47:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Flios Bror
If CCP decides to penalize being AFK while cloaked, they could do this by letting the cloak-module produce small amounts of heat. <storyline>This heat-buildup is because the ship cannot radiate thermal energy anymore to avoid detection of thermal signature</storyline>

CCP can play with heat-production of the different types of mods to balance it.

Players need to be uncloaked once every X minutes to cool down, which could be enough time to be probed down. This probing can then be traditionally evaded by warping around.


I in no way advocating using macros. However, all this talk seems to suggest that all one has to do is stay cloaked and keep warping every 10 minutes or so.

Could a person not just create a list of random safe spots, then just create a macro (and yes people would create these even as intellectual exercises) to simply warp to the various safe spots?

So basically, all you are doing it seems is encouraging macro users at this point with the idea of require a cloaker to warp every so often.

Bhramin
Shadows Of The Federation
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2010.04.27 16:08:00 - [58]
 

I point you to exhibit a) made by my corpie Eelis http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1003/Eelis_carebears1.jpg, with the frequency of these OMG someone is in system with me posts, I cant help feeling that a 0.0 bear needs to be added!

Mr Popadapolous
Posted - 2010.04.28 02:46:00 - [59]
 

I liked the idea suggested by Dlardrageth, but here's another one.

First only show people in the local chat who talk. This allows cloak equipped ships to get on with whatever business they were on with out anyone knowing they are there. I've always thought that was the problem with cloaking.

Second a device could be created that scans the system for ships and announces their presence, something that could be added to a POS. The owner could then allow access to other ships so they would know that there were other vessels in the system, but not where. That still allows probes to have their function.
I could even imagine intrepid capitalists renting their system scan array services to people who fear pirates or to pirates who want to know if there are targets in system.

knentil
Posted - 2010.04.28 04:29:00 - [60]
 

Thread cured my day, thanks!!


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