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Zmorana
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:25:00 - [1]
 

To sumarize the useful signal and ignore the noise...

Amanda Mor and Italian Wedding sum up the issue succinctly: the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.


Implementation suggestions:

Two ways to fix cloaking:
1) allow probing after some time;
2) decloak after some time. (Amanda Mor & Vorekk)

Both require some way to detect AFKness. Ideas are:
a) lack of keyboard and mouse input; (easily defeatable) (foksieloy)
b) intellegent keyboard or mouse input. (bot defeatable) (op)

(and we also need to cover people who run multiple clients on a single machine, meaning that input must be directed at the active client and not just any client)

Although I agree with Amanda Mor (when a player is active, cloaked ships should not be scannable), until a non-defeatable way to detect player presence appears, I'm going to have to suggest:

3) set a maximum limit on cloak time per 'cycle' for ships carrying weapons regardless of player activity.

Here a 'cloaking capacitor' on a potentially destructive ship needs to recharge before the cloak can be made active again, similar to on-lining a module while undocked (the cap needs to be at 95% before on-line succeeds).

Bots could still keep a combat ship cloaked half of the time while a player is away (despite CCP rules bots still happen) but the more time a destructive ship is cloaked, the more time is required to be uncloaked. Docking should also reset the 'cloak capacitor'.


Previous thread.

Nyah Nyah
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:28:00 - [2]
 

In before AFK Cloaker, the trolls, and the lock

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:34:00 - [3]
 

Rolling Eyes

I totally agree, it's a huge problem, however it'll only be fixed when CCP finally gets off their ass and nerfs player emotions. Given how quickly they get around to things though it's probably going to take a few years (in other words "soon").

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:44:00 - [4]
 

When I am bored of my alliance ratting ONLY 23/7 I go to some fail ratters system with an alt and sit there cloaked at a safe spot, the drama in alliance chat is soo fun at that point <3

Nerf macro ratters or general ratters imo

AFK Cloaker
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:46:00 - [5]
 


Spins Meats
Gallente
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2010.04.21 23:50:00 - [6]
 

Fix local and this won't be a problem.

GavinGoodrich
Posted - 2010.04.22 00:03:00 - [7]
 

You know...I'm starting to think the OP's on these are AFK Cloaker's other alts just so he can make an appearance.


KUJ4 PREZIDENT
Posted - 2010.04.22 00:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: AFK Cloaker


What he said

Sneaky Noob
KA POW POW Inc
Posted - 2010.04.22 00:32:00 - [9]
 

no.

i'd have to change my name to not-so-sneaky noob.

TheShadowNode
Posted - 2010.04.22 00:44:00 - [10]
 

Require a special structure in a Sov system that requires skill (not skills, actual "talent" wiki it) to operate with any effectiveness... people in non-sov or lowsec should stop caring so much about cloaky AFK and start worry about people jumping into their lame gate-camp.

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2010.04.22 00:58:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 22/04/2010 01:00:31
Originally by: Zmorana
the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.



I fully agree, this exploiting needs to stop now!!!

CCP finally needs to remove local chat so these cowards cannot abuse it to strike fear into the honest carebears soul!


Quote:
people in non-sov or lowsec should stop caring so much about cloaky AFK and start worry about people jumping into their lame gate-camp.


People in lowsec seem to generally not care one bit about these griefers, but the general state of readyness is much higher with the playerbase there.

Mung Podder
Posted - 2010.04.22 01:05:00 - [12]
 

I find it funny that people are panicking about afk stealth bombers...

Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2010.04.22 01:10:00 - [13]
 

Absolutely! The local channel needs to be fixed so these fear-mongers can no longer affect the mental well-being every pilot in system!

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.04.22 01:29:00 - [14]
 

local chat as to change

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.04.22 04:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
Amanda Mor and Italian Wedding sum up the issue succinctly: the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.
The Dramiel I CAN see is far more scary to me than the AWAY FROM KEYBOARD player that is cloaked and cannot interact with me in any way other than taking up a slot in Local.

Monopoly on fear...

You want to know what is scary? A really good Vagabond pilot. A half dozen HACs. A scout for the Faction Warfare militias, because you know there's a 100 ship blob headed your way.

Grow a pair. HTFU.

Amanda Mor
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.22 05:05:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Spins Meats
Fix local and this won't be a problem.



You can fix local all you want, it won't change anything - the AFK cloaker would just have to type in local to make his name appear (as in a WH), or decloak 150km from a busy belt and then recloak and go back to an hour or two worth of TV watching, and he's still able to cause a psychological effect on the whole system.

Dropping local means the AFK cloaker can be AFK for 59 minutes of every hour, as opposed to the entire hour - not a big difference.

But, as I said in the other thread, I really don't care about this issue anymore...

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.04.22 05:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Amanda Mor
he's still able to cause a psychological effect on the whole system.
Only if you let him. If you know he's an AFK cloaker, then honestly... Who cares? Go about your business, not much you can do about him anyway. Just keep an eye on your scanner and pay attention to what is going on around you (which you should be doing in dangerous space anyway).

If having someone look over your shoulder while you're doing something makes you nervous... Then maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place! Very Happy

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.22 08:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Amanda Mor
You can fix local all you want, it won't change anything - the AFK cloaker would just have to type in local to make his name appear (as in a WH), or decloak 150km from a busy belt and then recloak and go back to an hour or two worth of TV watching, and he's still able to cause a psychological effect on the whole system.


If they fix local by not showing the pilots in local, there would be no need to have local open or look at local if you are ratting. Just minimize local, set blink off and go about your business.

Also, if you are daft enough to open local when you have a afk-fear problem, you have a window of 1:59 min to enter local and miss the message. If you do see the message, jump into the next system, odds are that even if an afk cloaker is there, you'll have about one hours on average to rat before the afk-message appears again.

Originally by: Amanda Mor
But, as I said in the other thread, I really don't care about this issue anymore...


You know of course that people who still respond, and even feel the need to explicitly state that they don't care, usually do care.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.04.22 08:46:00 - [19]
 

Oh, it is this thread again.

Copy paste:
"If you have problem with AFK pilots, do not look at local. If you have problem with pilots who are not AFK, go back to empire.
Also, carebear in a PvP fit, it is not like it is that hard that you need specialized fits. Unless you want to AFK carebear.
In which case you sure are a hypocrite."

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2010.04.22 10:55:00 - [20]
 

AFK cloaking is only a problem if YOU make it a problem.

Yazzinra
Posted - 2010.04.22 11:26:00 - [21]
 

i too fear people who are not at the helm and are completely unable to effect my gaming experience. frightening they are.

Watson Desecond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.22 11:48:00 - [22]
 

lol at the panic of afk cloakers.

However a solution.
Make territory claim units give bonuses to system.
Example, disables cloaking.

Abit like how hw's work

Smabs
Posted - 2010.04.22 12:35:00 - [23]
 

Yeah I really hate those guys who sit afk and don't really do anything or affect me in any way.

FireT
Gallente
Royal Advanced Industries
Imperial Crimson Legion
Posted - 2010.04.22 13:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Smabs
Yeah I really hate those guys who sit afk and don't really do anything or affect me in any way.


You want them to massage your feet while you pew pew, don't you? Razz

Hurtful Words
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.04.22 13:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Zmorana
Amanda Mor and Italian Wedding sum up the issue succinctly: the AFK player should not have a monopoly on fear. There should be no reward for inactivity.



Rolling Eyes

Please biomass all of your characters. If you are seriously afraid of a lone cloaker in your system for six hours, please do one of the following:

1) Go to hi-sec (The bad men can't mentally touch you there)
2) Play Solitaire (You only have to be afraid of yourself)
3) Join a Commune (Probably your best option)

An argument to boost the dramiel would have been a better read.

tl;dr - OP is somewhere between 7-9 years old.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.04.22 15:00:00 - [26]
 

congrats

you stupid obsession on AFK cloakers have ruined many ship types that are designed to cloak, hunt, stalk and prey on there victims using cloak.

the solution is in the problem you have faced to us.

THEY ARE >>>>>>>AFK<<<<<<
NOT THERE
DOING NOTHING
NO ACTIVITY

fitting a cloaking device takes away speed when cloaked, scan res and you cant warp when cloaked.
Im not talking about ships that designed to cloak because that is there job

please go explode your ibis on a station

Bort Alexos
Posted - 2010.04.22 15:11:00 - [27]
 

You and Cynoslaver should go have a pity-party somewhere. There's another 10 page tearjerker right at the top of the forums.Rolling Eyes

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2010.04.22 15:11:00 - [28]
 

What about removing local instead?

B0X
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:25:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: B0X on 22/04/2010 16:25:47
Originally by: Watson Desecond
lol at the panic of afk cloakers.

However a solution.
Make territory claim units give bonuses to system.
Example, disables cloaking.

Abit like how hw's work


I think you'll find it's us, laughing at all you weak minded people.

Panic guys, he's AFK. LaughingLaughingLaughing

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.04.22 16:46:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: B0X
Edited by: B0X on 22/04/2010 16:25:47
Originally by: Watson Desecond
lol at the panic of afk cloakers.

However a solution.
Make territory claim units give bonuses to system.
Example, disables cloaking.

Abit like how hw's work


I think you'll find it's us, laughing at all you weak minded people.

Panic guys, he's AFK. LaughingLaughingLaughing


hehe

he might be reading this , he might not be since he AFK hehe


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