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evil0
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:27:00 - [1]
 

The "HAC", better known as "Holy Armed Cow" is probably the most unbalanced ship in the entire game. All HACs are generally underpowered for several reasons.

a. HACs are outperformed by BCs whivh cost LESS THAN THEY DO!
b. HACs are waaaaayyyy too expensive to be of value.
c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:30:00 - [2]
 

I believe that +5 implants are the cause of serious issues in the game. Let me list...

1. Bad implant prices for lower grade ones.
2. You can only get them from faction stores for sale on market.
3. They prevent peeps from pvping cuz they wont jump clone.

Soz....
1. We need to increase implant lp costs by 5x across the board.

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:32:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I believe that +5 implants are the cause of serious issues in the game. Let me list...

1. Bad implant prices for lower grade ones.
2. You can only get them from faction stores for sale on market.
3. They prevent peeps from pvping cuz they wont jump clone.

Soz....
1. We need to increase implant lp costs by 5x across the board.


dude... noob.
I hopeIdea

Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:33:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Simeon Tor on 19/04/2010 18:33:58
Originally by: evil0

c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.



Shocked

So that's why I keep losing fights, other people have ships that are guaranteed wins!

Jenne Levour
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:41:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Jenne Levour on 19/04/2010 18:41:17
Originally by: Simeon Tor
Edited by: Simeon Tor on 19/04/2010 18:33:58
Originally by: evil0

c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.



Shocked

So that's why I keep losing fights, other people have ships that are guaranteed wins!


No that's not right,

You keep losing because your hack doesn't have the DPS to take on other HACs that are the same as yours.

Get it?

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:51:00 - [6]
 

This thread is now about nuclear wessels. NUCLEAR WESSELS! Why dont we have nuclear wessels in eve?

Picture related

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:54:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jenne Levour
Originally by: Simeon Tor
Shocked

So that's why I keep losing fights, other people have ships that are guaranteed wins!
No that's not right,

You keep losing because your hack doesn't have the DPS to take on other HACs that are the same as yours.

Get it?
Exactly! Your HAC is so bad it can't win against the other HAC, and the other HAC is so bad that it can't win against you, so you both lose. They're so bad that the lossitude spreads to everything around them!1!2 That's not just bad – it's bad²!

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
This thread is now about nuclear wessels. NUCLEAR WESSELS! Why dont we have nuclear wessels in eve?

Picture related


we do they're minmattar. Fusion is nuclear too.
You see what i did thereWink

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2010.04.19 18:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: evil0
The "HAC", better known as "Holy Armed Cow" is probably the most unbalanced ship in the entire game. All HACs are generally underpowered for several reasons.

a. HACs are outperformed by BCs whivh cost LESS THAN THEY DO!
b. HACs are waaaaayyyy too expensive to be of value.
c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.



Solution:
1) Open market tab
2) Look up the skill book 'Heavy Assault Ships'
3) Don't buy it

Mr Epeen Cool

Lord Helghast
Posted - 2010.04.19 19:05:00 - [10]
 

the fact of the matter is

d. the HAC's need another bonus added. that will fix a b and c. (well not b, but still lol)

Sloth Arnini
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:26:00 - [11]
 

Confirming HACs are utterly useless. In fact, I'm petitioning my alliance leadership to switch over to battle indies (Battle Badgers are good, but we need maximum ship diversity).

The ability to deal higher damage than BCs at 90+km and burn out of bubbles 25-50% faster than BCs are totally redundant. Lag permitting, mobility on the field is completely pointless. No battle has ever been lost due to an inability to get away from hostile tackling paraphenalia.

CCP plzbuffhacsplz!!!11

lookatzebirdie
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:30:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: evil0

c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.



working as intended and 0/10 troll

Trader20
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:39:00 - [13]
 

Hac's just have a different role then BCs and that role is mobility. Some people would pay extra (like myself) to have the dps of a bc and the mobility of a cruiser. Also op ignore the haters in ur thread, I've never seen such a failed attempt at trying to be funny. Rolling Eyes

Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:39:00 - [14]
 

I heard that when one HAC shoosts another HAC it creates a world ending resonance-failcascade of doom... or something.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:41:00 - [15]
 

Only issue is the joke that is t2 production, and more precise moon minerals. As long as there is a fixed supply CCP fails.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2010.04.19 21:20:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: evil0
c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win.

"HACs are underpowered."

"HACs can't take out other HACs with a guaranteed win."

Before you post again, let those 2 statements run through your head a few times, and when you catch the flaw in your logic, don't post again.

Aenachreon
Posted - 2010.04.19 21:21:00 - [17]
 

LOL @ the OP.

I remember buying one of the first Deimos and being *****ed at for being overpowered. Likewise with the cloud of death a maxed-skills Ishtar brought.

The only thing I would say is their relative power versus cost is a bit steep. Of course, I say that just coming back to the game after a long while off and having no income stream at the present :) Sucks that I missed the expansion with the guaranteed win module. I guess those got nerfed?

lookatzebirdie
Posted - 2010.04.19 22:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Aenachreon
Sucks that I missed the expansion with the guaranteed win module. I guess those got nerfed?


Yeah they nerfed them very slightly to this Linkage


yeah, I went there

Omenis
Posted - 2010.04.19 22:28:00 - [19]
 

Takeaway: HACs are underpowered nuclear wessels.

Just when I thought I knew everything, EVE teaches me something new.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.04.19 22:38:00 - [20]
 

Natural progress would suggest we've found cheaper ways to produce these by now, lowering the requirements of the components previously gone to waste or been otherwise excessive.

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2010.04.19 22:45:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Wendat Huron
Natural progress would suggest we've found cheaper ways to produce these by now, lowering the requirements of the components previously gone to waste or been otherwise excessive.


kind of like how the CIA used to have peeps shave the metal frame on their sattelites to the bare minimum without compromising structural strength to lower launch costs? Seriously they went in with nail files and crap and shaved as much metal off as they could lol.Wink

On a more relevant note, HACs really should be down to 70-90m by now max. Honestly, when I first started playin 3 years ago they actually cost LESS than they do now!Shocked

Since its givin me that 2 minute timer crap, im gonna sit here and hit some random smileys and try again:Evil or Very MadTwisted EvilYARRRR!!NeutralArrowIdeaShockedConfusedCoolSmile

sakana
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.04.20 00:47:00 - [22]
 

even though troll, i might steal this line "c. They lack the DPS to take on other HACs with a guaranteed win."



Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2010.04.20 02:02:00 - [23]
 

saying a BC outperforms a HAC is like saying Rock outperforms Scissors

on another note, how is your Erebus missionboat project coming along?

silentalleycat
Posted - 2010.04.20 04:46:00 - [24]
 

tell that to every vagabond pilot my combat alt ever met in low or0.0 sec, got my self a rather long list of lost battlecruisers

CCP Applebabe

Posted - 2010.04.20 06:52:00 - [25]
 

Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.20 07:02:00 - [26]
 

Vagabonds, Vagabonds and yet more vagabonds, the bloody things are everywhere, ran into a HAC gang yesterday with a BC/Bs heavy gang yesterday, counted like 5-7 vagabonds all in all.

SO 1. HAC's aren't underpowered, some are just not meeing their possible potential.
and 2. they do cost a hefty price, but one explanation to why your vagabond sucks is that you may not have the skillpoint to be able to fit one properly, i am sure you are fitting t1 guns on your HAC's :P

anyway, some hac's are fine some could use some small help, but the top ones i'd say right now comes in this order.
Vagabond - Selfaxplanatory
Ishtar - Quite selfexplanatory aswell
Deimos - Good dps bonuses, offers a good tank and a MWD bonus, all in all a very good HAC.

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.04.20 07:04:00 - [27]
 

Er, it seems part of the thread got lost when this got moved. Confused

Gonna say it again: I want a Jove HAC. That would solve the underpoweredness.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.04.20 07:19:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
anyway, some hac's are fine some could use some small help, but the top ones i'd say right now comes in this order.
Vagabond - Selfaxplanatory
Ishtar - Quite selfexplanatory aswell
Deimos - Good dps bonuses, offers a good tank and a MWD bonus, all in all a very good HAC.

Really? The Deimos? Top tier?

You sure you didn't just make a pretty bad typo of "Zealot" ?

Average Jack
Posted - 2010.04.20 08:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Reldor Silverheart
Deimos - Good dps bonuses, offers a good tank and a MWD bonus, all in all a very good HAC.


Sorry but LOL @Deimos. Imo it's the worst HAC out there - too slow to keep range, only deals decent DPS with blasters (and then keeping range will be an even bigger issue), MWD bonus is not worth anything (because you'll either snipe in which case it's irrelevant or you'll have your MWD turned off in close range and die without ever hitting a thing).

Compared to a Zealot the Deimos is just rubbish imo.

I also find the other two HACs you mentioned pretty bad - after the speed nerf Vaga is a slow tackler with bad locktime and sub-par HAC DPS. Not exactly great. And the Ishtar.. well, I haven't flown one of those since the speed nerf either (except for PVE).

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.20 08:22:00 - [30]
 

I would like to argue that the warp scrambler + BC vs. HAC is a tad too powerful...


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