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Jeneroux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:00:00 - [1531]
 

Originally by: Clb
Originally by: Jeneroux
then burn down the homes.


Ingame, right?


Of course.. I am civilized person.
This is why I play Eve.

WhiteSavage
Gallente
Ever Flow
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:01:00 - [1532]
 

Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.

As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.



Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:22:00 - [1533]
 

Originally by: WhiteSavage
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.

As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.




NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:46:00 - [1534]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/04/2010 18:46:38
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.

As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.


NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please

Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:48:00 - [1535]
 

Originally by: WhiteSavage
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.





SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!

So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?

You sound so sure, you must have something right?


...


Right?

Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.

Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 18:58:00 - [1536]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/04/2010 18:46:38
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.

As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.


NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please

Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently.
im still waiting for why this matters?

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.24 19:00:00 - [1537]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin

So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?


Ever since post 1 of this thread, people have been reporting Monkeyman as having done stuff which is impossible under normal gameplay. All y'all have been dismissing or ridiculing such reports, so there's little use in pointing you to those posts again.

CCP is investigating. If even *any* of those reports can be proven, he will be banned. Even if CCP can't directly prove wrongdoing (lack of relevant server log info, for example), they'll at least fix the exploit. And then, and someone said earlier, you'll suddenly see Monkeyman's killstats return to that of a normal player. Neither scenario is going to be very pretty.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.24 19:06:00 - [1538]
 

Originally by: Romale
Originally by: Ranka Mei

Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently.
im still waiting for why this matters?

Actually, it doesn't. At least not to me. Most corps care about their reputation, though, is all. I thought you guys did too.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 19:23:00 - [1539]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Grath Telkin

So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?


Ever since post 1 of this thread, people have been reporting Monkeyman as having done stuff which is impossible under normal gameplay. All y'all have been dismissing or ridiculing such reports, so there's little use in pointing you to those posts again.




So, just to be clear:

Your witness statements are obviously true, because you said so, but our witness statements, are obviously lies, also because you said so.

That totally sounds legit.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.04.24 19:25:00 - [1540]
 

I see that the thread has finally crossed over to a full blown CAOD rant.

Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 19:59:00 - [1541]
 

As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on. I'm not going to post the link because that will probably get me banned but some of you are smart enough to find this using google, and some of you might be smart enough to realize botters can and always will be ****ed.


Originally by: Chameleon
hello everyone!
i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me.
the problem is:
then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local.
But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list.
So what we have summary:
Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp.
Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt.
hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again.
bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer.
so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:

so i don't know where i can write delay for "ANYWAY wait on SS for few min IF hostile enter system just for few seconds and warp after to random belt"


Originally by: CyberTech
It doesn't wait at all, in any case, unless you added it yourself. There is always, even with a wait, the potential for someone to simply logout in a belt... that's why we say don't bot afk. It gets you banned or blown up

The dev version has improved behavior in this regard, but there will never be a foolproof way around folks who want to blow you up


and just incase some of you are to stupid to have followed this from the start: the guy who did original complaint said he botted

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 20:07:00 - [1542]
 

Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/04/2010 20:07:34
Originally by: Romale
As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on. I'm not going to post the link because that will probably get me banned but some of you are smart enough to find this using google, and some of you might be smart enough to realize botters can and always will be ****ed.


Originally by: Chameleon
hello everyone!
i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me.
the problem is:
then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local.
But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list.
So what we have summary:
Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp.
Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt.
hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again.
bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer.
so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:

so i don't know where i can write delay for "ANYWAY wait on SS for few min IF hostile enter system just for few seconds and warp after to random belt"


Originally by: CyberTech
It doesn't wait at all, in any case, unless you added it yourself. There is always, even with a wait, the potential for someone to simply logout in a belt... that's why we say don't bot afk. It gets you banned or blown up

The dev version has improved behavior in this regard, but there will never be a foolproof way around folks who want to blow you up


and just incase some of you are to stupid to have followed this from the start: the guy who did original complaint said he botted

NO DAMN IT! IT STILL HAD A FEW DAYS LEFT IN IT


FactorLT
Posted - 2010.04.24 20:29:00 - [1543]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.





SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!

So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?

You sound so sure, you must have something right?


...


Right?

Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.


You just pretend stupid?or you are? but i gues its not the case...you just one of the guys who new about it
In beggining you said its just your superior tactics and skill,now you changed melody to " proove, proove it,you cant proove ****,ya ya expoit exist but proof we did it...
So why the f.... thes thread came up? not becourse someone found a bug,but becourse you damn cheaters (dont mean all PL) but the primat and the others who cover it got reported becourse of killing regular players.So cut the drama, i hope all you will be banned,becourse of you SUCH a grate aliance started to smell like ****

Stonie001101
Stonie001101 Holding's
Posted - 2010.04.24 20:37:00 - [1544]
 

they are accused of cheating in 1 or 2 of their killboard mails a day even before this thread was made.

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.04.24 20:42:00 - [1545]
 

I lost all respect(be it very little) for PL. Not cause some guy in thier alliance is cheating. Because some of them are trying to defend it. Monkey got busted, get over it.

I'm quite certain had any of them been a victim to this expoilt they would be singing a different tune.

I don't like macro's. But, you know the old saying. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Becides, it's evident that most of his targets were not macro's.

hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 21:31:00 - [1546]
 

Originally by: FactorLT

You just pretend stupid?or you are? but i gues its not the case...you just one of the guys who new about it
In beggining you said its just your superior tactics and skill,now you changed melody to " proove, proove it,you cant proove ****,ya ya expoit exist but proof we did it...
So why the f.... thes thread came up? not becourse someone found a bug,but becourse you damn cheaters (dont mean all PL) but the primat and the others who cover it got reported becourse of killing regular players.So cut the drama, i hope all you will be banned,becourse of you SUCH a grate aliance started to smell like ****

Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it.


Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.04.24 21:40:00 - [1547]
 

Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 24/04/2010 21:41:20
CCP is gonna ban you all and say they found a way to check the logs.

I always thought the no logs thing is bull **** so they can cover themselves. They know when people lag out when loading grid they just say nothing shows on the logs to shut people up and not have to reimburse them.

It always shows on the logs. Maybe they don't have logs of packet delays or denials but they don't have to prove to us that "the logs don't show anything", they can just ban the cheaters and say they have evidence and they don't have to prove anything to anyone.

PS: I bet they are waiting to have the exploit fixed before the bans to prevent a counter attack.

FactorLT
Posted - 2010.04.24 21:41:00 - [1548]
 


Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it


Yes ofcorse,monkey is super ninja, and huhuhu just really wanted to find a bug to prove monkey is not a super hero , but just a pathetic cheater.I understand to cover your corpmate,or ally m8 is noble,but in thes situation the thing is out of control,and only one way to control damage witch primate made not to me,or to other players,but to you and other of your ally mates is to get rid of these element and give evidense to public,that yes we made our own investigation,nobody believed it but its true.At least these pilots of yours who have nothing to do with thes embaresment will safe face.

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:09:00 - [1549]
 

Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste
well as someone who was in PL for a long time (and I probably wont remain anonymous for long) the monkeysphere has long been known to not appear in local, story goes his internet was crappy (from estonia) and after some research he somehow figured out how to make his connection to the eve server without appearing in local, he's been killing unkillable farmers for years, and does it without appearing in local on either of his chars, go look at his history of kills on the PL killboard and you'll see what I mean, the rumours about this started in PL 2 or so years ago, If I'm wrong then my bad but from what I've seen I was pretty convinced of his ability to not appear in local.

Cool story bro.
I can assure you that here, in Estonia we have pretty good connection (proof)
I live far from town in a private house and still have my 12Mbit/s, probably will have switched to 100Mbit/s by 2011.


How is it that a country like Estonia can get that kind of connection speed, but not in Australia. So ghey.

hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:16:00 - [1550]
 

Originally by: FactorLT

Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it


Yes ofcorse,monkey is super ninja, and huhuhu just really wanted to find a bug to prove monkey is not a super hero , but just a pathetic cheater.I understand to cover your corpmate,or ally m8 is noble,but in thes situation the thing is out of control,and only one way to control damage witch primate made not to me,or to other players,but to you and other of your ally mates is to get rid of these element and give evidense to public,that yes we made our own investigation,nobody believed it but its true.At least these pilots of yours who have nothing to do with thes embaresment will safe face.

I am unsure what to make of this post as your google translate English while funny is really quite incomprehensible.
also: the only thing that will come out of this is that nunununu will have his accounts permabanned. And as has been stated before no one have proved spherical monkey has used the exploit that nunununu has presented (and will probably be banned for.)

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:19:00 - [1551]
 

Originally by: Neo Gabriel
Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 24/04/2010 21:41:20
CCP is gonna ban you all and say they found a way to check the logs.


PS: I bet they are waiting to have the exploit fixed before the bans to prevent a counter attack.


Laughing

are you serious? or do you really think this way for real?

Lanais Suleia
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:21:00 - [1552]
 

Edited by: Lanais Suleia on 24/04/2010 22:23:08
Originally by: Romale
As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on.

***snip***




So the botters admit that they're botters. Now if we can only get the exploiters to admit they're exploiting, the rest of us can get back to playing Eve without having scum like you and them around.

edit: Word filter shouldn't care about that word.

Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:24:00 - [1553]
 

Edited by: Romale on 24/04/2010 22:28:20
Originally by: Lanais Suleia
Edited by: Lanais Suleia on 24/04/2010 22:23:08
Originally by: Romale
As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on.

***snip***






So the botters admit that they're botters. Now if we can only get the exploiters to admit they're exploiting, the rest of us can get back to playing Eve without having scum like you and them around.

edit: Word filter shouldn't care about that word.

i guess you weren't one of the people who could read and figure it out

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:30:00 - [1554]
 

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:31:00 - [1555]
 

I am pretty sure that "open-ended" and "no right way to play" is not supposed to mean you can use hacks to cheat and take advantage over other people.

Neither does it mean, that you can write and use macros to abuse the game engine.

FactorLT
Posted - 2010.04.24 22:43:00 - [1556]
 


I am unsure what to make of this post as your google translate English while funny is really quite incomprehensible.
also: the only thing that will come out of this is that nunununu will have his accounts permabanned. And as has been stated before no one have proved spherical monkey has used the exploit that nunununu has presented (and will probably be banned for.)

Listen m8 i dont use google translator,i speak flueant english(at least turist english),just my grama is quit bad,since i havent write in this language for really long time.Them huhuhu demonstrated bug on sisi not tq.If he would be a cheater it wouldnt be in hes interests to point the bug.Now you will say he brought it to light becourse all russians are macro and protecting hes income... its same like to say that al of you Pandemics are just a bunch of cheaters, witch i believe is not true.I dont think there less macros from your side or any other side,in case i know there lots of them just go to geminate to r.a.g.e,morsus spaces or go to deep insmother to atlas or HTA space you find them everywhere.I agree its evil,but now we not talking about them its other problem witch should be dealt with,we talking about "primat magic" and as i am a pvp pilot i dont give a f... about ships and isk witch i lose till then until it was FAIR FIGT,if i lost-i made a mistake,noone to blaim,but if someone have that kind of advantage its the same like aim bot on counter-strike.So stop pointing that russians are macros,stop the bulls... that primat is super pvper and all other jut a bunch of loosers and now **** what to do in the battle...Just... why i am still answering your posts? for me and for most of eve comunity PL is ally witch covers cheaters-means most of them are cheaters...should be so if they covering it.SHAME ON YOU

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.24 23:14:00 - [1557]
 

ban everyone.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2010.04.24 23:37:00 - [1558]
 

780 - 778 half time score.

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 23:38:00 - [1559]
 

Ban bans and the banners who ban them.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.04.24 23:38:00 - [1560]
 

Originally by: Neo Gabriel
I am pretty sure that "open-ended" and "no right way to play" is not supposed to mean you can use hacks to cheat and take advantage over other people.

Neither does it mean, that you can write and use macros to abuse the game engine.


did you just reply to my sig?

yes, you just replied to my sig.

not the smartest steak knife in the drawer are we?



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