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debbie harrio
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:58:00 - [1501]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:


absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.





Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.

May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.

Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics
Ultima Rati0
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 - [1502]
 

Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:


absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.





Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.

May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.

Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters.

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 - [1503]
 

Originally by: Raivi
I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read.

Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully.


so, what do we have here...

1. we know some monkeys can kill 4 ratters in 4 different systems in 20 minutes.
2. we don't know a super simple logon trap technique that allows to set up a perfect logon trap in 4 minutes - "worst case scenario", heh?
3. we know there is "no-local-i-am-a-monkey" exploit.
4. we know about Occam's razor - Non sunt entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

so, some pretty guy claims he knows a perfect logon trap technique. Great, i say - show me how you can catch me in 4 minutes ("worst case scenario", yeah?) w/o even knowing the exact belt in the system.

some pretty guy from pl ignored.

i repeat an ask for the test, and another guy from this thread proposed himself for that test too. i don't even want to know about detail of this super-secret technique, i say, just show me - you can do that, right? right?

some pretty guy from pl ignored.

so, i ask on eve-ru for some help - let's ask that pretty guy from pl to test his great technique - just because i suppose there is more than 1 monkey in pathetic legion.

and know what? some pretty guy from pl really did notice that! "IT'S A TRAP!" - he cryes and run to eve-o.

so. the secret technique that allows to set up 4 successful logon traps in 20 minutes obviously exists, that's just my fault Raivi don't want to test it ONCE.

just one another coincedence. right?

PS just to make it clear. "красавчик из пл" = "some pretty guy from pl". we usually use "красавчик" about someone who pretends to be awesome. not offensive. and for google translator:

не прекращайте верить
держись за чувство
люди фонарный столб

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:08:00 - [1504]
 

Quote:

Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.

May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.



You should actually read

"1) counter the exploit by playing carefully and with best practices like a law-less territory would suggest to do

2) In the meanwhile file complaints and petitions with CCP personnel and act with exceptional CCP permission to study, reverse engineer or whatever"


That is, if they think there's an exploit, then they should step up and consider 0.0 == WH space till the exploit is not closed.

And in the meanwhile take the steps to have the guy banned.



Quote:

Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters.



IQ dropping lower by the pages count?



Quote:

Monkey and everyone even vaguely helping him should be permabanned immediately *as tangible and irrefutable proof is found and by officially certified personnel*




If this is "covering PL exploiters" then I am a yellow ladybug.

How can you EVER think that a (former, quit months ago as I can't play enough) IT alliance member can cover someone even marginally involved with kartoon...

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:09:00 - [1505]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 11:13:25
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha


absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.



Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.

May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.



Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:12:00 - [1506]
 

Just post it in the YT comments so we can level the playing field.

Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics
Ultima Rati0
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:15:00 - [1507]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

IQ dropping lower by the pages count?


Exactly. Not mine though. Now keep on trolling.

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:18:00 - [1508]
 

Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts.

zljuka
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:30:00 - [1509]
 

awesome thread.
Most funny thing awaits us in case Monkeysphere is banned for RMT and not for using exploit:) By now he should have enormous wallet/assets. I suggest CCP investigates in this direction first

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:33:00 - [1510]
 

Originally by: SetrakDark
Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts.


that's why i call all that **** "coincedence" and don't really wait for a single ban. still - right now i'm pretty sure about monkey's space magic.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:39:00 - [1511]
 

Quote:

Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.



I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP.

If this is trolling, well be my guest.

Unity Love
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.24 11:57:00 - [1512]
 

boatsandhoes

Prt Scr
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 - [1513]
 

I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:10:00 - [1514]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 12:16:23
Originally by: Prt Scr
I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive.
I guess it's possible. But he's beginning to kill players at the keyboard (ie not bots). So he seems to be a bit sloppy. Also, that would necessarily implicate a whole alliance, in this case Pandemic Legion, because when **** goes down as it has, it will stain a whole alliance in the process.


Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:37:00 - [1515]
 

FIX it! And ban the ****ers.

Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:45:00 - [1516]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.



I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP.

If this is trolling, well be my guest.



The only proper way to counter the exploit is too report it to CCP in detail and provide any and all information they might need to fix it. That was already done, no details about exploit have been disclosed to the public. The Monkeysphere was petitioned to CCP 30 times before the discovery of the exploit, they didn't believe those petitions and dismissed them. We managed to show them and the entire EVE community that the exploit Monkeysphere was using is very real. In addition since he is a programmer by occupation, I'm sure he has enough technical knowledge to accomplish it.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:02:00 - [1517]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 13:02:35
Originally by: Romale
you must have a problem with reading comprehension. i went through the pains of changing the language i use to cover a specific group of russians instead of all russians. The bolsheviks are very much like their ****'s in the way they jumped on monkeysphere because he's not a russian. The entire way the thread has been conducted by the bolsheviks is an absolute testimony to a deep racism that still exists in the world today. I for one will not sit here and cower in refusing to call the kettle black. I think the bolsheviks owe monkeysphere an apology

edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar
And where's Pandemic Legion's apology for derailing and trolling this thread to hell and back? Rolling Eyes You insult a certain group of people without providing infallible evidence that they're all cheats, but when it comes to your own alliance cheaters you require a written and signed confession from Monkeydude along with an official video from the Pentagon implicating your member in any wrongdoing because otherwise it's all lies and slander. So yes, you are calling the kettle black.


Ann Can
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:10:00 - [1518]
 

Originally by: Romale

edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar



Lol. Pretty much sums up the thread.

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:16:00 - [1519]
 

did you know that if a room has too much gas in it, the gas wont ignite?

I AM THE UNPOASTER

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:39:00 - [1520]
 

Originally by: Romale
dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair Wink. Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.


Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:40:00 - [1521]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale
dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair Wink. Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.



really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:47:00 - [1522]
 

Originally by: Romale
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale
dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair Wink. Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.



really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold
Well, we still do lack the experience in using it, something you guys seem to be on the ball with. But that's neither here nor there. Tell your buddies to start packing and maybe even give their stuffs away to corpies? Wink. Wouldn't want it all to go to waste now, would we.


Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:51:00 - [1523]
 

Edited by: Romale on 24/04/2010 13:52:40
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale
dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair Wink. Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.



really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold
Well, we still do lack the experience in using it, something you guys seem to be on the ball with. But that's neither here nor there. Tell your buddies to start packing and maybe even give their stuffs away to corpies? Wink. Wouldn't want it all to go to waste now, would we.




i have absolute faith that regardless of what happens no one will like what ccp does, except us because we have all the devs in our pockets

edit: im going to actually post something semi serious: do you really think if there was any evidence against monkeysphere what so ever he would still be in eve? you do realize you talking to kugu's boys right?

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.24 14:07:00 - [1524]
 

Originally by: Romale
im going to actually post something semi serious: do you really think if there was any evidence against monkeysphere what so ever he would still be in eve?


of course not, bro. coincedences are just coincedences.

i do really think btw that if no-local bug is fixed monkey will become just an ordinary monkey - not good in pvp. and that's enough. fly safe!

Soros
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 14:25:00 - [1525]
 

Wow Google Translate must be suffering under the strain from this thread over the past few days...

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.04.24 16:18:00 - [1526]
 

Originally by: Pestilent Industries
Holy crap PL .ru, how many characters are you guys using to try and derail/troll this subject? Monkey Macros have been outted, get over it. Not only are they gunna be banned, but the exploit will be fixed. Time to grow up and move on until the next exploiting scamming lieing piece of **** PL .ru member gets caught.


fyp

hey, remember when .ru people were making trillions farming 8/10s? that was good times

why is it always .ru's??

I hate to paint everyone w/ one brush... (you know, like labeling an entire alliance for the alleged actions of one member) but we seem to be detecting a pattern here.

Anyone else detecting a pattern here?

"PL members on here trying to derail"!

fair

how about ".ru members on here trying to derail"

?? hmm??
seems to be a very concerted effort on your part as well to shift blame. Seems like we have MANY bans to hand out.

IF this monkey guy is guilty, ban him sure.
But I'm very concerned about this other pattern here.
Not one member, not one alliance, but huge swaths of the playerbase using macros to cheat, ruin the economy and unfairly change the balance of the game.

Legitimate concern. While we are running around with pitchforks and torches, let's leave no castle unburned.
Especially the ones filled with god knows how many methodical cheaters.

CCP, one cheater under the radar i can understand.
Dozens or more? You need to address this.

FactorLT
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:24:00 - [1527]
 

you know guys... i always had big respect for PL, they always gives you adrenaline when you rouming and the scouts say there is a gang of PL in next system. you know it will be a hard fight,probably you will go home in pod ,or express. BUT I AM ashamed,even you guys are hostile, i am ashamed becourse such a grate enemy went so low...I not saying that all you guys used thes thing witch we can call it "CRIME OF WAR" The most discusting thing about it,that you trying to cover it.If i would be head of such proud and elite organisation i would kick these pathetic cheaters i would help to investigate all this crime.Now you guys going with a naked chest agains MG nest.Dont you know that the only value in life is what you are your reputanion??? You should know like a leader of such organisation what reputanion means... How all these grate pvp pilots will feel from now on, when every time your gang apairs in local,other players will shout "watch out pathetic legion is coming,perhaps they hiding cap fleet with some exploit.SHAME ON YOU
p.s sorry for my poor english grama

Jeneroux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:37:00 - [1528]
 

Invisible in local seem feasible with client side network alteration.
The filtering of data which declare presence in local is possibly more than theoretical.
The necessity of client side declaring presence in local is the question.
Does server side check presence of player in local before allowing target routine to run?

Can be or can not be.
If this can be.. then this topic is flag for CCP Dev.
If can not be.. then this topic amusing to CCP Dev.

Movement to other system seem unlikely from client side.
would be severe vulnerability in Eve code which allow the player client to determine location in universe. If this can be.. and if this type vulnerability exists in my organization.. I would dismiss immediately entire developer group and replace with competent people. I would regret inability to have these people *snip* That's a bit extreme. Shadow. .

Some in topic have explained the mechanic of logon and logoff and these explanations more probable than a person who hacks the code.

Entertaining topic except for the international prejudice where all Russians cheat. Is like saying that all French are promiscuous.. We are not promiscuous.. we are simply horny all the time. This is why I collect ships which resemble genitalia.. but I digress.. (see.. I know this word too)

lookatzebirdie
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:42:00 - [1529]
 

Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 17:42:32
Originally by: Jeneroux
*snip* That's a bit extreme. Shadow. .



nice Rolling Eyes



Clb
The Intersect
Posted - 2010.04.24 17:47:00 - [1530]
 

Originally by: Jeneroux
then burn down the homes.


Ingame, right?


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