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Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 06:51:00 - [1471]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Are you really this dense?

Is this how YOU tell whether someone is at the keyboard versus botting? No wonder you're accusing all against this exploit "botters" Rolling Eyes. But most likely you're just trolling. Funny thing is you consider T3s cheating, but an actual cheat using exploits by Pandemic Legion, to you, well, ratters deserve to be cheated on if they're not paying attention to local.

If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard? Rolling Eyes.





CTRL+QQ Is an exploit too based on how the mechanics work and on your view on the subject.

But CCP doesn't seem as much as interested in it.


The local has to go, what do you say MatrixSkye?

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 06:54:00 - [1472]
 

Originally by: Lady Karma
Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Laughing Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.

I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.


Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 06:56:00 - [1473]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma
Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Laughing Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.

I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.




[lamegreen]> implying all PL Characters are cheaters[/lamegreen]

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:04:00 - [1474]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 07:05:46
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma
Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Laughing Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.

I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.




[lamegreen]> implying all PL Characters are cheaters[/lamegreen]
I highlighted the part you failed to understand.

Oh, and:
Originally by: Boomershoot
CTRL+QQ Is an exploit too based on how the mechanics work and on your view on the subject.

But CCP doesn't seem as much as interested in it.


The local has to go, what do you say MatrixSkye?
And that justifies the use of another exploit?

I think local should stay. I also think infnipoint HICs are overpowered, but you know what I am NOT doing? Creating an exploit to counter them and blaming CCP's "inability" to fix the things that I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE. That's not how things work.

Does this compute?

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:10:00 - [1475]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
And that justifies the use of another exploit?

I think local should stay. I also think infnipoint HICs are overpowered, but you know what I am NOT doing? Creating an exploit to counter them and blaming CCP's "inability" to fix the things that I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE. That's not how things work.

Does this compute?


Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.

Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?

With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:14:00 - [1476]
 

Originally by: Boomershoot
Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.

Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?

With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?

AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.


Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:16:00 - [1477]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot
Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.

Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?

With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?

AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.




The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.

Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:19:00 - [1478]
 

Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 24/04/2010 07:27:38

It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that he knows what he is doing is clearly an exploit.

Just look at the name of one of the chars. he is using lol internets.
Poking fun at the fact that he is manupulating his connection?

Now, I have no technical knowledge on how to delay the relay. But, clearly it can, is and was being done.

CCP should strip all his assests that come back to any and all chars. for his ip address. Ban all accounts and reimburse all the players that were a victim of his crime.
Yes, that's correct I said CRIME. If I use RL cash to purchase a plex. Sell that plex to purchase ships, mods, etc.
Then some *sshole uses an exploit or hack to destroy the items that I purchased with CASH and takes those items. It is THIEF and WILL BE DEALT WITH.

Edit to say bet your bottom dollar The Monkey is scrambling to transfer all his stuffs to someone else before ccp takes it all and bans his punk *ss.

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:21:00 - [1479]
 

Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Just look at the name of one of the chars.

Bargnar
Amarr
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 - [1480]
 

Edited by: Bargnar on 24/04/2010 07:37:39
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5167/56001811.jpg

01/10 for :effort:

Image changed to link. Navigator

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 - [1481]
 

Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot
Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.

Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?

With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?

AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.




The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.
Laughing Too bad right now the ones with the upper hand are the PL cheaters and anyone else that is sharing this exploit. I'll tell you what, let EVERYONE use this exploit and at least we're now all on even grounds. Stop excusing the use of this exploit like it's the mighty solution to a problem you personally don't like. If you don't like local, then use normal means to get rid of it (petition, garner support, etc). DO NOT create an exploit and justify its use because there's something in-game you personally don't like.

If people had your mentality they'd create exploits for everything they didn't like about the game and it'd be perfectly reasonable to do so.


Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 - [1482]
 

Its because in WH space, everyone knows you only show in local if talk in local.

People are mad at this because everyone knows you show up in local in k-space, or so we thought.

Imagine, someone discovered an exploit where they could see everyone in WH space who is online, and someone finds out. Imagine all the tears of the gankers and the wh citizens.

Or worse, imagine an exploit where you can warp to anyone in system who is claoked, even when they are not in your fleet! Imagine the rage!

Now, imagine someone found an exploit where they can enter a local system and not show up in local! OMG, *****!

Its not the idea of having a delayed local or no local in nullspace that ****es people off, its the fact that someone has an unfair advantage that has been used to farm players and bots for 2 years and no one has done anything to stop it until now.

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:26:00 - [1483]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot
Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.

Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?

With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?

AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.




The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.
Laughing Too bad right now the ones with the upper hand are the PL cheaters and anyone else that is sharing this exploit. I'll tell you what, let EVERYONE use this exploit and at least we're now all on even grounds. Stop excusing the use of this exploit like it's the mighty solution to a problem you personally don't like. If you don't like local, then use normal means to get rid of it (petition, garner support, etc). DO NOT create an exploit and justify its use because there's something in-game you personally don't like.

If people had your mentality they'd create exploits for everything they didn't like about the game and it'd be perfectly reasonable to do so.


Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.

And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:29:00 - [1484]
 

Nice argument there, Boomershot.


Zartrader
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:40:00 - [1485]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 24/04/2010 07:42:42


Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.

I was waiting for that, got close a few times but someone managed it, well done.

EDIT: To clarify 'Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with ****** or ****s or their actions' Linkage


Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:41:00 - [1486]
 

Originally by: Zartrader
Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.

Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.

I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:46:00 - [1487]
 



Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Zartrader
Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.

Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.

I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.


Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless.

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.24 07:49:00 - [1488]
 

Originally by: Zartrader


Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Zartrader
Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.

Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.

I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.


Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless.


Yet i have to see a single bit of evidence in these posts that lead to ANY conclusion other than "Russian butthurt community wants to protect their farming bots with fabricated media"

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:23:00 - [1489]
 

Originally by: Boomershoot
Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.

And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.

Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created.

Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do.

species2143
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:27:00 - [1490]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Boomershoot
Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.

And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.

Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created.

Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do.


Dude, you've been trolled so hard... I bet I know how you feel now Wink

Sellmewarez
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:28:00 - [1491]
 

Nuke page 50 tbh

Yoshite McLulzypants
Gallente
People called Romanes they go the house
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:55:00 - [1492]
 

Posting in a fantastic thread. Better than the OJ Simpson trial tbh.
Can't wait to see how this will be dealt with.

+1 would read again!


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.24 09:00:00 - [1493]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18
Quote:

How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?

Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start



I am not trolling.

People going in 0.0:

- with battleships

- without friends protecting their systems

- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.


are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules.
They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec.
Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships.

Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions.
This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers.
Imagine if in RL someone breaks your car and you (knowing the police won't kill and torture him) immediately take a gun and shot him down "because the police will be bland, the judge incompetent".


Quote:

In any real world court of law all this evidence would land all these people in jail.



In any real court, there's a super-partes judge. Here there's CCP.

Yes, exactly those who are being flamed in every possible way since 40+ pages.
Accusing the judge and vandalizing his house to convince him of how he has to decide and NOW would also land some other people in jail.


Quote:

People don't tend to use direct scanners when there are no hostiles in local, or the local is simply empty, there is no reason to do so.



So, someone is on a killing spree and known to abuse the system yet they keep acting like before? And instead of acting like *everyone else do* against pirates (form intel channels, go in groups of 4-5 then start reporting the guy while you CAN defend yourself even if he cheats) they take it as excuse to hack the client?


Quote:

If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard?



It's two different issues. The former has already been discussed enough, the latter is an illegal practice invented to combat something aptly named "logoffski" (notice how even the traditional name points at the known users of it).
The logoffski is another thing that should be classed as exploit but cannot because it cannot be proven.
So I suppose one day someone got driven to crime to fight those who use it.

Curiously, those who hacked the game to prove his crime also chose to act exactly like Monkey: fight crime with crime and two wrongs don't make 1 right.


Quote:

Then some *sshole uses an exploit or hack to destroy the items that I purchased with CASH and takes those items. It is THIEF and WILL BE DEALT WITH.



You don't purchase anything, since by the EULA everything is CCP's property.
You purchase ability to log in, that is a time slot on the game, which you can turn into money. Nothing becomes yours except ability to log in.

This is also why RMT is fought: RMTers convince others that CCP's property is theirs and therefore they can sell CCP's property factually committing a *real life* theft of virtual property.

Oriental express
Posted - 2010.04.24 09:41:00 - [1494]
 

I hope all of the cheaters are banned.

Simple

looking forward to the update on the situation ccp

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.04.24 09:42:00 - [1495]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

People going in 0.0:

- with battleships

- without friends protecting their systems

- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.

are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules.
They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec.


Been hearing this rationale a lot: they deserve what they have coming because (pick your choice) A) they're just lowlife macro-miners, B) they're just stupid noobs and therefore deserve to get the exploit-axe.

Thing of it is, though, you're not supposed to cheat; you're not supposed to hack the client to kill friend or foe, noob or expert. What part of "Don't!" find people so hard to understand after 50 pages?

Quote:

Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions.
This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers.


Wait! I think you got this deal worked backwards! :) Enter Robin 'Monkeyman' Hood with, as reported, an exploit to swiftly kill alleged macro-miners (which turned out to be regular folk who launched a complaint; go figure). The victims in this concocted a proof-of-concept and demonstrated how it could be done on the test server. Personally not something I would have done, as, therewith, they're also showing to know, and have done, a wee more than the EULA allows. CCP will deal with whomever they feel needs dealing with, no doubt. I just want members of PL to stop using an exploit on the real EVE server, where the real game is played, and where it really matters.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:27:00 - [1496]
 

Quote:

Been hearing this rationale a lot: they deserve what they have coming because (pick your choice) A) they're just lowlife macro-miners, B) they're just stupid noobs and therefore deserve to get the exploit-axe.



Been hearing but not getting it.

They could

1) counter the exploit by playing carefully and with best practices like a law-less territory would suggest to do

2) In the meanwhile file complaints and petitions with CCP personnel and act with exceptional CCP permission to study, reverse engineer or whatever


What they have done:

1) Keep playing "solo", relying on obsolete mechanics + logoffki

2) Open threads on several public forums

3) Hack the client

4) Blackmail CCP into acting NOW and at their will.

5) Spread the exploit knowledge to the general player base.


I don't recall reading it's allowed to hack the client on SiSi, if it's true everyone doing points 3, 4 and 5 should be immediately perma-banned. Unlike for Monkeywhatever there is replicable and recorded and precise and logged evidence about them.



Quote:

The victims in this concocted a proof-of-concept and demonstrated how it could be done on the test server. Personally not something I would have done, as, therewith, they're also showing to know, and have done, a wee more than the EULA allows



"Wee more than the EULA allows" my ass.

They have done something vastly beyond what Monkey did:

1) Tarnish CCP reputation in public

2) Officially and admittingly (and not trolling) crack a MMO client

3) Attempted at pushing onto a game producer their priorities.


Monkey and everyone even vaguely helping him should be permabanned immediately *as tangible and irrefutable proof is found and by officially certified personnel* (that is not some HTTP sniffing end user).
Those who hacked the client without prior CCP permission HAVE to also be immediately permabanned, they have done as bad if not worse than Monkey. Consider it as a noble yet suicidal special force who achieved the objective but is a ... suicidal force.

Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:30:00 - [1497]
 

Post number 1500 in an epic threadnought! Cool

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:31:00 - [1498]
 

I am pis**d off with this sort of sh*t!

It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS!

Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!!

Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:37:00 - [1499]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
I am pis**d off with this sort of sh*t!

It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS!

Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!!


woowwowowow lets not bring eve gate into this Sad

lets just get the bug fixed Very Happy and keep eve gate

E6o5
Posted - 2010.04.24 10:38:00 - [1500]
 

Edited by: E6o5 on 24/04/2010 10:56:25
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18
Quote:

How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?

Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start



I am not trolling.

People going in 0.0:

- with battleships

- without friends protecting their systems

- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.


are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules.
They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec.
Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships.



you can get into systems via wormholes, so it wouldn't be sufficient to have scouts at the gates but you would need to constantly scan for new whs and bring scouts there ...

also i assume this exploit could be used anywhere. thus, if used by one side of a high sec war it would give that side an unfair advantage outside the rules of the game

probes or d-scan could help you to figure out that someones is closing in on you. however, in a highly populated high sec system this wouldn't help much.
and it wouldn't help against cloaked ships of course.


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