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dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:08:00 - [1201]
 

Originally by: species2143


@ dumpertt:

You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.

Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.




someone here really should think for a moment - how could a bot kill an extra-class pvper's curse? did you see a link?

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In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.




not exactly. if he can recreate a situation described in 1st post - i really will be convinced monkey is not a magician - and i will do my best to persuade others . right now i'm pretty sure monkey is a magic monkey. and once again: yes, neither winning streak nor timeline proves monkey is a cheater - there still is a chance he could win the lottery 1000 times in a row.

and still - "no local" exploit exists and should be fixed.

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What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc.

Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:

1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.

2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.

3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.

4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.

5. ???

6. Profit!

Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?


i'm fine with it. actually i don't care about his super-duper technique - if it exists, it still useless against player. so it is enough if there will be witness that he logged off - and not using "no-local" exploit, there's no need in details at all.

i have to go now, but i really want this "3-4min at worst case scenario" test done and frapsed. hope it will, heh.

Gatsukama
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:09:00 - [1202]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: rororor
just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.

You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!

Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.



I was curious enough to actually do a locator agent search for The Monkeysphere. Do you want to know where he is (or was at 06:33 Eve time)? http://imgur.com/eyLch.png

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:14:00 - [1203]
 

afaik there are wh mach can't leave until the big enough hole opened. still - that's very... comfortable. just another coincedence.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:15:00 - [1204]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 23/04/2010 07:18:26
Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?

This proves I was right saying CCP are looking at how it develops without officially intervening.


Proof:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304476&page=36#1053

post 1053 corresponds to

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1304476/page/36#1066

post 1066

There are 13 posts that just went into thin air.



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FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted):

21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.

23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules:

29) You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though.



CCP should not show exceptions or leniency. They wrote clear rules.
Leniency would have been wise if they did not blackmail CCP with their "FIX NOW OR ELSE", did not immediately go for the pitchforks, posted movies in public (and not to CCP), and generally stated that CCP otherwise would do nothing.

The "they would not do anything" excuse is the same the self appointed justicars use to kill random people that they decreed as guilty.
This makes them popular ("finally someone that does something!") but does not make them less criminals and due to be jailed.

Edit: after all, there are reasons why ethical hackers submit their exploit findings to the affected parties first and the bug / hole report comes out after the fix has been found and distributed.

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Originally by: Jane Vherokior
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Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.
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Now we're finally moving down the rabbit hole and starting to see a larger problem (although I can't aggree completely with your statement).



It's not a problem. CCP have their ways, very known ways and their rules.
If they are so bad and wrong, then the hurt people should consider finding another MMO with a company that OH-SO-CARES. Not to promote themselves to justicars of the night and break the EULA.


romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:19:00 - [1205]
 

<Nostradamus mode on> Storm is coming!<Nostradamus mode off>

dumpertt
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:22:00 - [1206]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

rage



is it next to denial stage?

romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 - [1207]
 

If id be superhacker in a group digging windows,and found supposed backdoor in it,what is suspected for years-Id go public asap,instead of trying to blackmail microsoft or anything.There is a reason chinese refused to use windows in any of their goverment-military systems....

Bendit
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 - [1208]
 

Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload

Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.



U mad?


Are u mad??

Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
Evi1 Empire
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:40:00 - [1209]
 

Edited by: Pbs on 23/04/2010 07:40:09
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 23/04/2010 07:18:26
Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?

This is obvious. CCP can not fix this exploit instantly, and can't fix it at all - without adding a lot of new lags in game. So they will keep silence as long as possible, to prevent panic.

romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:41:00 - [1210]
 

Are u mad?...lolz,THAT is a good question in internet spaceship gaming forum.My wife would say definitely yes,we all are mad.Why i have suspicion most wives would join the cause.........?

Disko sue
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:54:00 - [1211]
 

Originally by: dronesupport

Originally by: Zofran
Don't worry, my Russian friends; stuff....


Damn this community is just the cradle of racism. Its typical for Europe and US, i guess.


It would be racism if black would offend white, ohwait it prolly wouldnt, it works only when white offend black/assian. Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?

Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 - [1212]
 

I think this should be brought to epic thread.
How to kill a bot (of certain design) without cheats.
Copied from eve-search.
1. Jump into system with bot, warp to belt, log off immediatly.
2. Bot warps to safe spot.
3. Bot doesnt log off mid-warp, at SS it checks local, sees its clear and (that's flaw of this bot) instead of logging off/waiting cloaked - warps to the random belt.
4. We log on and if we are lucky we are meeting him at our belt, if we are unlucky we are logging off and repeat the process from log off phase.
But this method is rather unreliable, for the system with many belts it can take a couple of hours tossing a coin, so the bot finally warps to us and we kill it.
I dont know if flaw in the bot is fixed or not, i hope its not, so we can run ravageddon on weekend.

romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 - [1213]
 

Dude,you cant survive in Russia without 2 livers!All that cheap vodka.....

Elyseum
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:20:00 - [1214]
 

Originally by: Stygian Knight
I love this thread.

So many hurt faces help my work runs faster YARRRR!!



having the runs at work sucks dude. hope you feel better.

so what have we learned today ? PL are cheating f####ts. no ! this is not new news.

we found that out back during the alliance tourney when they partnered with GHSC (oh wait, its not a partnership...its just a straight alt corp of PL)

BATTLE BADGER is SOUND STRATEGY guyz I swearzitstrue.


species2143
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:20:00 - [1215]
 

Originally by: species2143

I am sad to say this, but that's actually old news. Here's a link (I will not paste the text myself) to an angry botter/exploiter trying to blackmail CCP. The interesting parts you can read for yourself...
[yellow]SadPirate Bay Link Removed. Zymurgist[/url]


Sorry CCP zymurgist, I should have probably kept that to myself... Neutral

Noah Emn
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:23:00 - [1216]
 

Originally by: Disko sue
Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?

Ok page 41 and this thread still delivers lulz.

1. thanks to uhuhuh, he has made the game cleaner

2. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592 the botter could have returned to the pc during the fight. Still.... I have to agree with the 'another coincidence' guy.

Chibi Chi
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:31:00 - [1217]
 

When CCP will ban all the PL members?

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:33:00 - [1218]
 

Quote:

is it next to denial stage?



Denial of what?


Quote:

This is obvious. CCP can not fix this exploit instantly, and can't fix it at all - without adding a lot of new lags in game. So they will keep silence as long as possible, to prevent panic.



It's obvious but unlike others I prefer to bring in proofs that are directly related to the culprit and not by interested inference.

species2143
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:37:00 - [1219]
 

Originally by: Noah Emn
Originally by: Disko sue
Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?

Ok page 41 and this thread still delivers lulz.

1. thanks to uhuhuh, he has made the game cleaner

2. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592 the botter could have returned to the pc during the fight. Still.... I have to agree with the 'another coincidence' guy.


So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...


Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:44:00 - [1220]
 

Edited by: Razin on 23/04/2010 09:01:06
Originally by: Raivi

That's already been explained multiple times in this thread and can also be deduced with a locator agent. It's not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt,

Indeed. The Monkeysphere could have jumped into a WH system for the duration to have plausible deniability. See how that works?

Originally by: Gatsukama
I was curious enough to actually do a locator agent search for The Monkeysphere. Do you want to know where he is (or was at 06:33 Eve time)? http://imgur.com/eyLch.png

This serves as circumstantial evidence that The Monkeysphere is in fact trying to create himself an alibi. Nice try.

Riddlock
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:46:00 - [1221]
 

ban pl tbh !

romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 08:51:00 - [1222]
 

Nobody will be banned,i think.just take form those Angry Fat Internet Game Kidz I-Win Buttonz,and everybody will be happy!

Chibi Chi
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:03:00 - [1223]
 

I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned

Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:03:00 - [1224]
 

CLUSTER DRAMABOMB

TAKE COVER


romek mablung
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:06:00 - [1225]
 

Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 09:05:56
Internet drama is so drama...Shocked

Riksha San
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:09:00 - [1226]
 

Originally by: Chibi Chi
I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned


+1 wait till this sht is over.

qbIdp
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:13:00 - [1227]
 

Originally by: Riksha San
Originally by: Chibi Chi
I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned


+1 wait till this sht is over.


+1 we need to do somthing with that cheaters

Noah Emn
Posted - 2010.04.23 09:21:00 - [1228]
 

Originally by: species2143
So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...

As I said, there are many possible explanations, it's just another coincidence. One thing though - either he sucks at triple boxing Xor he catches a botter every 5', choose one Razz

baltec1
Posted - 2010.04.23 10:23:00 - [1229]
 

Originally by: Noah Emn
Originally by: species2143
So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...

As I said, there are many possible explanations, it's just another coincidence. One thing though - either he sucks at triple boxing Xor he catches a botter every 5', choose one Razz


Well they do say one is born every 5 minutesLaughing

Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Gallente
Tungus Revolt
Posted - 2010.04.23 10:42:00 - [1230]
 

Originally by: Riddlock
ban pl tbh !

PL has not deserved ban. We have only highly suspicious activities of SOME PL players (taking victims reports and youtube videos into account).

but... i want to beleive.


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