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Roland Hova
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.18 03:59:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 04:04:28
Any thoughts and suggestions into fixing and solidifying the mechanics would be cool. I'm not saying I hate the idea I just think it needs a lot of work.

1)Deposits of resources move around. PCC's do not. There is no point in actually placing PCC strategically because in 24 hours all the minerals on the planet move somewhere else (just like in real life Very Happy)

2)All structures except for the PCC can be instantly decommissioned. So what exactly are the Dust514 dudes going to do if I decided to delete there target before they can destroy it?

3)Why am I putting all this effort into building random NPC stuff? I need a reason to give a crap about building most of the npc trade goods, especially if I'm supposed to compete with soon to be written macros who will flood the market.

4)No option to buy pos fuel on the market? Are we supposed to farm it ourselves and trade it on the contract market? Can you tell us where your going with this one CCP?

5)Where are the options to build morally ambivalent stuff? Guns, booze, Drugs, Slaves are all absent from production. I would personally love the option of producing "exotic dancers" by the thousands, Pimping facility anyone?

6)What does Tyrannis have to do with tyranny? I don't wish to be the king of trade goods. This expansion needs more teeth or a rename.

Driven Marcelli
Minmatar
Evil Overhead
Posted - 2010.04.18 04:25:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Roland Hova
Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 04:04:28
Any thoughts and suggestions into fixing and solidifying the mechanics would be cool. I'm not saying I hate the idea I just think it needs a lot of work.

1)Deposits of resources move around. PCC's do not. There is no point in actually placing PCC strategically because in 24 hours all the minerals on the planet move somewhere else (just like in real life Very Happy)

2)All structures except for the PCC can be instantly decommissioned. So what exactly are the Dust514 dudes going to do if I decided to delete there target before they can destroy it?

3)Why am I putting all this effort into building random NPC stuff? I need a reason to give a crap about building most of the npc trade goods, especially if I'm supposed to compete with soon to be written macros who will flood the market.

4)No option to buy pos fuel on the market? Are we supposed to farm it ourselves and trade it on the contract market? Can you tell us where your going with this one CCP?

5)Where are the options to build morally ambivalent stuff? Guns, booze, Drugs, Slaves are all absent from production. I would personally love the option of producing "exotic dancers" by the thousands, Pimping facility anyone?

6)What does Tyrannis have to do with tyranny? I don't wish to be the king of trade goods. This expansion needs more teeth or a rename.


in order

1) they already explained that the planet poo maps are changing because they are looking at the planets created by that seeding and tweeking it.

2) they explained this one too, once a mission to a planet is created your decomission orders get put on hold

3) so you can make more planet poo. although to be honest with the prices that some people have estimated macroing this is probably a non starter given the effort involved.

4) so the players are forced to buy planet poo that someone made

5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.


Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.18 04:34:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
4) so the players are forced to buy planet poo that someone made


Currently they have set the fuel products to published=0 meaning you cannot trade in them. If you still have them on your market quickbar you can see that they are actually still seeded, however, which hopefully means the change is just one of the many bugs.

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.

You made that up.

Roland Hova
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.18 04:46:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
3) so you can make more planet poo. although to be honest with the prices that some people have estimated macroing this is probably a non starter given the effort involved.
Macro requiring effort...I let that one sink in...

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
4) so the players are forced to buy planet poo that someone made
Why? Do I need to start putting genetically altered livestock into the oven to build rifters? Last I checked all this crap is essentially useless except for the pos fuels and construction blocks.

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.


So the fact that all of these things already exist in game kind of escaped you right?

Driven Marcelli
Minmatar
Evil Overhead
Posted - 2010.04.18 07:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
4) so the players are forced to buy planet poo that someone made


Currently they have set the fuel products to published=0 meaning you cannot trade in them. If you still have them on your market quickbar you can see that they are actually still seeded, however, which hopefully means the change is just one of the many bugs.

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.

You made that up.
nope, you might want to read up on the laws in countries in, for example, Australia. Unless this has changed recently they did not have an "adult" catagory in there manditory ratings system, so some games are (defacto) banned in Australia

http://www.edge-online.com/news/gdaa-australian-game-rating-system-a-%E2%80%9Cjoke%E2%80%9D

http://palgn.com.au/pc-gaming/12712/fallout-3-changes-affect-all-regions/

PEGI more or less replaced some of the local boards in Europe, EvE currently has a 12 rateing with them, and I suspect they kind of want to keep it that way. I know the ESRB here in the US is under presure from various interest groups to simply blanked all online games with a default M rateing. the recent incident where that woman from texas traveled to Canada to sleep with a underage male has definitly raised some eyebrows down here about mmos.

Driven Marcelli
Minmatar
Evil Overhead
Posted - 2010.04.18 07:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Roland Hova
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Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.


So the fact that all of these things already exist in game kind of escaped you right?
um nope its right on the lable of the game box. please read my post above, and stop assuming that you know it all.

belive it or not we live in a world where WoWs developers were given invitations to explain to congress just what the hell was going on in there game when they have three back to back cases of pedophilia so far this year associated with it.

incidentaly you migh want to see some other articals on the same topic

http://itn.co.uk/f99ff929aa4be3be5daf8e97c0c29e38.html

Right now thanks to things going on in games like WoW, Second life, and others, well lets just say that unfortunatly "Evil Online Games" is kind of the flavor of the month currently

Madame Currie
Posted - 2010.04.18 08:03:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
4) so the players are forced to buy planet poo that someone made


Currently they have set the fuel products to published=0 meaning you cannot trade in them. If you still have them on your market quickbar you can see that they are actually still seeded, however, which hopefully means the change is just one of the many bugs.

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.

You made that up.
nope, you might want to read up on the laws in countries in, for example, Australia. Unless this has changed recently they did not have an "adult" catagory in there manditory ratings system, so some games are (defacto) banned in Australia

http://www.edge-online.com/news/gdaa-australian-game-rating-system-a-%E2%80%9Cjoke%E2%80%9D

http://palgn.com.au/pc-gaming/12712/fallout-3-changes-affect-all-regions/

PEGI more or less replaced some of the local boards in Europe, EvE currently has a 12 rateing with them, and I suspect they kind of want to keep it that way. I know the ESRB here in the US is under presure from various interest groups to simply blanked all online games with a default M rateing. the recent incident where that woman from texas traveled to Canada to sleep with a underage male has definitly raised some eyebrows down here about mmos.


Well, your only semi right, regarding germany. First there is a rateing system, that keeps pg 18 stuff from appearing in places accessible for kids.
But than this rateing is differnt from the US. Nudety or Wording are more or less irrelevant here (you will have no problems of finding even "frontal" nudity even in the afternoon program. In fact it is much more liberal than in the US. (The reason you often see american artists, showing thier buts or explicitly using 4 letter words in the major networks, since they find it funny that they can).

What is forbidden here is:
- sex with under-age (no problem in eve)
- explicit ****ographic stuff (shots of the open vagina or raised ***** in a non medical or educational context). No problem in eve I have seen.
- explicit cruelty (splashing blood or beheading are problems, but haven't seen those in eve either).
- propaganda for **** ideology (no problemm I have seen in eve)

So straighten that out, there isn't anything in eve that would cause legal trouble, other than a paedophile trying to seduce an undergrad in chat. Than, hardly the environment to find fresh meet for them.

Yakiv Petrov
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.04.18 09:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Madame Currie

What is forbidden here is:
- **** (no problem in eve)
- explicit ***** stuff (***** ***** *****). No problem in eve I have seen.
- explicit ***** (***** or ****** are problems, but haven't seen those in eve either).
- ***** for ***** (no problemm I have seen in eve)



Wordfilters *****

SCNR Very Happy

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.04.18 11:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Driven Marcelli
Originally by: Catari Taga
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.

You made that up.
nope, you might want to read up on the laws in countries in, for example, Australia.

ROFL, so I say you made that up about England and Germany and in response you link me to Australia? We hear about Americans presented with a world map point to China when asked to locate Germany but... Laughing j/k

Apart from that see the above post from Madame Currie. I might add that PEGI has no legal relevance in Germany (although it is being used in England). The lobby against computer games exists in Europe, too, of course, although usually in relation to violence, not sex (see again post from Madame Currie).

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2010.04.18 18:38:00 - [10]
 

This thread is heading Waaaay of course to OP's post.

Anyways, I do think that what we see in the current iteration of PI on the test server to be just that a test.
CCP wants to test the mechanics and filter out bugs with the planet mineral system. I'm convinced that all the production values are but arbitrary as "game balance" has not even yet come into the equation of the tests on SiSi.

Expect a lot to change before the release of Tyrannis, also, potentially a lot more production possibilities have yet to come, it wasn't required for the debugging to have every single item type already programmed into PI as they function in the same way from one another on a technical standpoint.

If you were one of the ones who saw the new planets when they were being tested, then you know that most planet types looked rather horrible and basically was disappointing to everyone who saw them. I kept telling myself, "this is a disaster! no one will ever take this game seriously!" yet only to have them transform into the most beautiful pieces of planetary art we've ever seen on eve barely a week before entering TQ.

I just hope the expansion respects the hype, the teaser and it's name.
I just hope they do include this "Civilization effect" onto planets as that's what I'm looking for... Not some little POS op on a planet...

But remembering previous experiments on SiSi, my answer is... "Wait and see, and you will probably be pleasantly surprised!"

P.S looking at the last masstest, it feels like they wanted to clear some of the bugs in production system BEFORE adding everything else everyone is hoping to see in the final product...

It would make a lot of sense to assume they are bringing Tyrannis in phases to SiSi and not all at once.

Roland Hova
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.18 18:44:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 18:53:24
Originally by: Driven Marcelli
Originally by: Roland Hova
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Originally by: Driven Marcelli
5) um Right. they do want to keep selling the game in countrys like England, Germany, and elswhere that have strict rules about that kind of thing in games.


So the fact that all of these things already exist in game kind of escaped you right?
um nope its right on the lable of the game box. please read my post above, and stop assuming that you know it all.

belive it or not we live in a world where WoWs developers were given invitations to explain to congress just what the hell was going on in there game when they have three back to back cases of pedophilia so far this year associated with it.

incidentaly you migh want to see some other articals on the same topic

http://itn.co.uk/f99ff929aa4be3be5daf8e97c0c29e38.html

Right now thanks to things going on in games like WoW, Second life, and others, well lets just say that unfortunatly "Evil Online Games" is kind of the flavor of the month currently


I don't need to read articles. All of those things are already in the game and I can go buy them on the market, and last I checked Anzacs and euros already play this game. I'm also damn sure that the majority of people downloaded the client and didn't buy the game in a box. I'm also sorry if you're butt hurt because whatever country you live wants censors your video-games. I'm sure someone wants to make guns, brew booze, and train strippers I'm sure there's a market for it in eve.

Back on topic: EVE is supposed to be a dark place and a dark game, Planetary interaction looks happy time care-bear land. Since you're still working on it CCP a good rule of thumb is less rainbows more strippers CCP.
Originally by: Nerodon


But remembering previous experiments on SiSi, my answer is... "Wait and see, and you will probably be pleasantly surprised!"



I still have hope this wont be terrible. I just think we need to be a bit more vocal about what direction this should head toward as CCP tends to favor the peaceful care-bear aspects of the game more.

Orephia
Posted - 2010.04.18 19:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Roland Hova
Why? Do I need to start putting genetically altered livestock into the oven to build rifters? Last I checked all this crap is essentially useless except for the pos fuels and construction blocks.

There are a number of spreadsheets already out that answer this. Genetically Enhanced Livestock are used in the production of Hermetic membranes, if the sheet I d/l'd is accurate. & the Membranes are used in production of Biotech Prototype.

Most of these so-far end tier listed products have names suggesting Implants production, like Neural Interface & Wetware Mainframe. So not Rifters, but perhaps something more profitable. Time will tell.

Omega Flames
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.04.18 19:32:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Roland Hova
Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 04:04:28
1)Deposits of resources move around. PCC's do not.


Please post something with a little thought to it. It was at this point you showed yourself to be a moron. The current system we see is beta phase or earlier so things are obviously not going to be nearly the same when this rolls out on patch day. Seeding gets changed, bugs get fixed, they do an update and it changes something (imagine that ehh). Those are just a few reasons why your very first problem would happen. Use the brain God gave you.

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2010.04.18 20:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Orephia
Most of these so-far end tier listed products have names suggesting Implants production, like Neural Interface & Wetware Mainframe. So not Rifters, but perhaps something more profitable. Time will tell.


So much isn't included currently on the SiSi version, we can only guess at what kind of stuff we will be able to make.
There's that HIGH-TECH factory on temperate worlds which doesn't seem to produce anything, I cannot wait to discover what! :)


Roland Hova
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.18 22:49:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 23:10:15
Originally by: Omega Flames
Originally by: Roland Hova
Edited by: Roland Hova on 18/04/2010 04:04:28
1)Deposits of resources move around. PCC's do not.


Please post something with a little thought to it. It was at this point you showed yourself to be a moron. The current system we see is beta phase or earlier so things are obviously not going to be nearly the same when this rolls out on patch day. Seeding gets changed, bugs get fixed, they do an update and it changes something (imagine that ehh). Those are just a few reasons why your very first problem would happen. Use the brain God gave you.


It wasn't such a bad statement considering the fact that people in the in game channel were reporting resource nodes moving as they were playing, Not after down time and the re-mirror but during the actual play timeRolling Eyes. I'll admit I jumped the gun but as cryptic as ccp makes this game you could slide me some slack.

but being correct and trying to make others look stupid on the internet is the more important right?

Also before another troll tries and derails this more
1)Nodes aren't moving the skys not falling. I'm also a moronVery Happy
2)buildings can be built and destroyed instantly on a whim, unless dust mercs attack (this could use a counter like anchoring and online time for pos).
3)Still no Idea whats this is all about...Ideas, theory's, instructions on making tinfoil hats?
4)Pos fuel is there but hidden? is this a glitch or is this going to be part of a pos fuel overhaul. someone form CCP want to clarify if they are working on this?
5)Wheres my stripper building option Evil or Very Mad
6)Everyone is ignoring this one so lets ignore the fact that it happened.
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Roland Hova
Why? Do I need to start putting genetically altered livestock into the oven to build rifters? Last I checked all this crap is essentially useless except for the pos fuels and construction blocks.

There are a number of spreadsheets already out that answer this. Genetically Enhanced Livestock are used in the production of Hermetic membranes, if the sheet I d/l'd is accurate. & the Membranes are used in production of Biotech Prototype.

Most of these so-far end tier listed products have names suggesting Implants production, like Neural Interface & Wetware Mainframe. So not Rifters, but perhaps something more profitable. Time will tell.


Ok now that sounds possible and was a constructive post. Cows + random stuff= Implants. I think in the fan fest video he was saying something like building capital parts or something which would have been dumb.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2010.04.19 01:52:00 - [16]
 

can we pretty please get pos pellets now? NOW WOULD BE A GREAT TIME. Just add it as a finished product requiring all pos items save isotopes. Cool


 

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