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Misaki Tanaka
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.04.27 12:39:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Peter Powers

you are wrong, the IT killboard is not hosted by EVSCO,
and i believe SOLODRAKBANetc.. and TCF run their own ones aswell.



Go back and read what I said again. That was my point.

Originally by: Peter Powers
you are wrong there, again. EVSCO is crawling the feeds of the killboards of the other alliances, so usually the kills end up in the databse anyways.


So you parse each kill on SOLO which don't use the normal eve-dev board?

Originally by: Peter Powers
The only ISK im making from it are the donations, which can be seen on the northern-crusade donations page.


Fine, then mind share. And I take back what I said earlier about it not being a tool of propaganda. If eve-kill is run on donation, then yea, it's a war propaganda tool.

Originally by: Peter Powers
besides the fact that the full API key only allows you to read more data than the limited one (you cant manipulate anything),


I know how the API works, I admin many services for Dreddit. We use limited keys and some full keys.

Originally by: Peter Powers
there is an audit log, which allows people to see what data was requested when, including the origin IP from the request.


The IP log only tell you who accessed it and when. That's all. All you have to do is sc**** a corp director's full api once to get things like corp assests, that director's evemail, POS info (including locations). All of it dangerous stuff for an enemy to have.

Originally by: Peter Powers
Besides that, northern-crusade is not using any API key for anything, im using the data from the EVSCO database, which might be feeded from API, but thats nothing todo with my part in this.


Cool, sorry. I thought you ran eve-kill as well.


Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.27 13:19:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Peter Powers

Besides that, northern-crusade is not using any API key for anything, im using the data from the EVSCO database, which might be feeded from API, but thats nothing todo with my part in this.

Does this data include prices, or just kills?

Because I can't make it add up when evsco itself says atlas alone probably lost more than 75b in caps alone (I'm taking it down from the 110b it says on the page to account for tons of mis-characterized kills, which evsco usually has tons of), yet your page says we've killed 55b for the entire day?

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.27 13:23:00 - [213]
 

the caps will be on tomorrows stats

Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.27 13:38:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: arjun
the caps will be on tomorrows stats

Oh. I see. I take it he's running the stats from 00:00 till 23:59 then, I thought the stats ran from DT to DT since they never updated prior to DT.

Would still be nice if the numbers were explained a bit further. 3 SBUs/TCUs/IHUBs, 100 caps etc would be more interesting to know about than f.ex 100 frigates killed. That is, if this is going to be a conflict tracker that'll be used for more than just NC vs SC.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.27 14:18:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Lord TGR

Oh. I see. I take it he's running the stats from 00:00 till 23:59 then, I thought the stats ran from DT to DT since they never updated prior to DT.


thats correct, its 00:00:00 to 23:59:59,
and updated in the downtime the next day.

Originally by: Lord TGR

Would still be nice if the numbers were explained a bit further. 3 SBUs/TCUs/IHUBs, 100 caps etc would be more interesting to know about than f.ex 100 frigates killed. That is, if this is going to be a conflict tracker that'll be used for more than just NC vs SC.

I am working on adding those information, so as soon as ill find the time to implement that stuff it will go live.

The software itself (ECOTRA) is designed to handle more than one conflict, and in future other conflicts might be tracked by it aswell, but again, thats future stuff, lets stay at today for now =)

Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.27 14:37:00 - [216]
 

Edited by: Lord TGR on 27/04/2010 14:40:56
Originally by: Peter Powers

Originally by: Lord TGR

Would still be nice if the numbers were explained a bit further. 3 SBUs/TCUs/IHUBs, 100 caps etc would be more interesting to know about than f.ex 100 frigates killed. That is, if this is going to be a conflict tracker that'll be used for more than just NC vs SC.

I am working on adding those information, so as soon as ill find the time to implement that stuff it will go live.


And subdividable into pr hour? Wink

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.27 15:56:00 - [217]
 

maybe at a later time, for now it will stay on a daily basis

Setsuko NuKinni
Amarr
Galactic Defence Syndicate
Posted - 2010.04.28 17:51:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Setsuko NuKinni
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Setsuko NuKinni



This is all fine and dandy, but you should focus on reducing the downtime of your killboards first tbh, they're always glitching.




Can you recall a time in the past 3-4 weeks its been down? (Rather, AFTER we upgraded to EDK3 - besides the initial downtime).

I cant - neither can any of the alert scrips i have running (Lets put it like this, every 2 minutes services are checked - and if something is funky my iPhone goes nuts with girl'ish screams) Sofar - "she" hasnt screamed yet Laughing



tm.




Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable
Guru Meditation:

XID: 2950*****
Varnish

Just one of many times, actaully remembered to quote it this time.


Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.28 18:01:00 - [219]
 

I still cant understand why everyone is so keen on haveing a killboard that is 100% accurate oh and have better effenicy yada yada.
If for an example Atlas would care to much about its kb stat, we would just run over and merge our fleet into the PB blob, and how fun would that be, or just say forget it and dont engage in a 3/1 favour to NC. MAn the whe whine if we brought equal numbers or even outblobed. Be happy instead that we bring some fights with server managble numbers instead of some others who has a doctorine to bring everything and everyone in attempt to crash the node. Try to fight outnumberd sometimes, evovles your skills, instead of hiding behind big numbers...

I say as I said a longtime, reomove killmails, makes people more keen to pvp Cool

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.28 18:19:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Setsuko NuKinni
Originally by: Setsuko NuKinni
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Setsuko NuKinni



This is all fine and dandy, but you should focus on reducing the downtime of your killboards first tbh, they're always glitching.




Can you recall a time in the past 3-4 weeks its been down? (Rather, AFTER we upgraded to EDK3 - besides the initial downtime).

I cant - neither can any of the alert scrips i have running (Lets put it like this, every 2 minutes services are checked - and if something is funky my iPhone goes nuts with girl'ish screams) Sofar - "she" hasnt screamed yet Laughing



tm.




Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable
Guru Meditation:

XID: 2950*****
Varnish

Just one of many times, actaully remembered to quote it this time.




Was moving the database from our current server Eli, to our new DB server Ronon..
Will give a huge massively epicly omgwtf boost in loading speeds..

Man i love SSDs.. Cool

senecti
Minmatar
UK Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.04.29 16:37:00 - [221]
 

Edited by: senecti on 29/04/2010 16:37:38
you seem to be missing alot of info because if you look at todays stats you will see that NC only killed 16.8Bil isk worth of ships but eve-kill shows a Battle Summary for ROIR-Y, 2010-04-29 01:05 - 03:57 (so before DT) and that the SC lost 29.5bil isk alone in that single fight. you can see this info is missing because if you look at the system breakdown it shows NC only killed 3 ships in ROIR-Y when clearly they killed more.

so if information like this is missing then your board is useless.


BlueMajere
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.29 17:25:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: senecti
Edited by: senecti on 29/04/2010 16:37:38


so if information like this is missing then your board is useless.




mostly harmless telling someone else they're useless...

ahueuheuhueuheuheueuheuheuheuheuhuheuheuheuheheuheuheuhueuheuheuhue

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.29 17:27:00 - [223]
 

mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00

Roark Garnet
Minmatar
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.29 17:28:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: BlueMajere


ahueuheuhueuheuheueuheuheuheuheuhuheuheuheuheheuheuheuhueuheuheuhue


I tried to pronounce that .. I just couldnt ..

senecti
Minmatar
UK Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.04.29 18:22:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: arjun
mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00


so the 120bil the SC has lost since 00:01 today will all be on tomorrows i guess

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 03:08:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 03:10:15

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.04.30 03:30:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 30/04/2010 03:50:26
Originally by: senecti
Originally by: arjun
mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00


so the 120bil the SC has lost since 00:01 today will all be on tomorrows i guess


Nvm they using x2 multiplier and other cheats for fake datas. :D

War and Pestilence on NC side :D Whoah!!! How about White Noise ? (They lost more than 1000+ ship at North in April) LOL that SC propaganda page.

Just check multiplier on 2010-04-27. They killed ~25 capital ships. (~50 billion)
NC killed ~60 capital ships (120 billion) + more ~20% ships than SC (638vs548). I see the other 523 kill from SC side was +34 billion, but from NC side the other 578 kills from NC side was just 12 billion, when SC BS and other expensive ships losses was bigger than NC ship losses. :DDDDDD

And how many different in killpoints ? SC won!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil
What a fake, oh my god. lol.

Misaki Tanaka
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.04.30 04:37:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 30/04/2010 03:50:26
Originally by: senecti
Originally by: arjun
mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00


so the 120bil the SC has lost since 00:01 today will all be on tomorrows i guess


Nvm they using x2 multiplier and other cheats for fake datas. :D

War and Pestilence on NC side :D Whoah!!! How about White Noise ? (They lost more than 1000+ ship at North in April) LOL that SC propaganda page.

Just check multiplier on 2010-04-27. They killed ~25 capital ships. (~50 billion)
NC killed ~60 capital ships (120 billion) + more ~20% ships than SC (638vs548). I see the other 523 kill from SC side was +34 billion, but from NC side the other 578 kills from NC side was just 12 billion, when SC BS and other expensive ships losses was bigger than NC ship losses. :DDDDDD

And how many different in killpoints ? SC won!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil
What a fake, oh my god. lol.


I am Jack's complete lack of suprise.

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.30 12:19:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 30/04/2010 03:50:26
Originally by: senecti
Originally by: arjun
mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00


so the 120bil the SC has lost since 00:01 today will all be on tomorrows i guess


Nvm they using x2 multiplier and other cheats for fake datas. :D

War and Pestilence on NC side :D Whoah!!! How about White Noise ? (They lost more than 1000+ ship at North in April) LOL that SC propaganda page.

Just check multiplier on 2010-04-27. They killed ~25 capital ships. (~50 billion)
NC killed ~60 capital ships (120 billion) + more ~20% ships than SC (638vs548). I see the other 523 kill from SC side was +34 billion, but from NC side the other 578 kills from NC side was just 12 billion, when SC BS and other expensive ships losses was bigger than NC ship losses. :DDDDDD

And how many different in killpoints ? SC won!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil
What a fake, oh my god. lol.


When in doubt, talk ****..
Always seems to work the bestest right?

That and cba to argue anymore, all your questions and worries have been answered atleast 10 times by now. Read some of the previous pages

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 12:49:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Karbowiak

That and cba to argue anymore, all your questions and worries have been answered atleast 10 times by now. Read some of the previous pages


Where's the breakdown of your point system?


Side Kill-Points Hostile ISK killed Kills
Crusaders 37499 67.01B ISK 755
Northern Coalition 34365 145.99B ISK 957




Gaius Bismarck
Minmatar
Darkwave Technologies
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.04.30 12:50:00 - [231]
 

btw, what about the PL/Panda and Snigwaffe thingy going on in the backwater of the crusade?
are they counted into this numbers as well?

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.04.30 13:08:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 30/04/2010 03:50:26
Originally by: senecti
Originally by: arjun
mr senecti im really no it fanboy but please read a couple lines up please. stats go from 00:00 to 00:00


so the 120bil the SC has lost since 00:01 today will all be on tomorrows i guess


Nvm they using x2 multiplier and other cheats for fake datas. :D

War and Pestilence on NC side :D Whoah!!! How about White Noise ? (They lost more than 1000+ ship at North in April) LOL that SC propaganda page.

Just check multiplier on 2010-04-27. They killed ~25 capital ships. (~50 billion)
NC killed ~60 capital ships (120 billion) + more ~20% ships than SC (638vs548). I see the other 523 kill from SC side was +34 billion, but from NC side the other 578 kills from NC side was just 12 billion, when SC BS and other expensive ships losses was bigger than NC ship losses. :DDDDDD

And how many different in killpoints ? SC won!!!!!!!!! Twisted Evil
What a fake, oh my god. lol.


When in doubt, talk ****..
Always seems to work the bestest right?

That and cba to argue anymore, all your questions and worries have been answered atleast 10 times by now. Read some of the previous pages


Just 3 question needed.
1. How big the multiplier for SC ? Twisted Evil
2. Why hiding WN. from SC because everyone knows they are go to many operations with SC in north.
3. Why added to killmails from Fountain, when Blast, HUN, Blade. killing anyone ?

4. Just a bonus question for you. Peter Powers why use false datas on his counter page ?

When they lost more ships and ISK than NC everytime they won in killpoints. :D

And forget dumb and other words, dont be angry if P Powers using interesting counts.

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 14:21:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit

Just 3 question needed.
1. How big the multiplier for SC ? Twisted Evil
2. Why hiding WN. from SC because everyone knows they are go to many operations with SC in north.
3. Why added to killmails from Fountain, when Blast, HUN, Blade. killing anyone ?

4. Just a bonus question for you. Peter Powers why use false datas on his counter page ?

When they lost more ships and ISK than NC everytime they won in killpoints. :D

And forget dumb and other words, dont be angry if P Powers using interesting counts.


If you count WN and CO2 for the SC, you'd have to count PL for the Nc, it'd only be fair.


oh wait, that won't look so good.

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 14:37:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 15:09:04
Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 14:38:12
I'm unsure what the logic is behind the points, I'm trying to find what is used.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6468160
SC loss here, grants NC 6 points.
Drake, 28 parties involved, ISK loss ~52.1m

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6468191
NC loss here, grants SC 9 points.
Drake, 32 parties involved, ISK loss ~52.7m

The main difference is the IT gang has more involved, the victim a worse fit, and only a 600k difference in price. And yet granted 9 more points.

I'm not going to call shenanigans just yet, but I'm curious.



edit:

31 points to SC for killing a cyno kessie

26 points to NC for killing a cyno kessie


Akov Stohs
Caldari
Windowlickers Inc
Wrath.
Posted - 2010.04.30 15:13:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Akov Stohs on 30/04/2010 15:20:20

Originally by: Xtover
Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 15:09:04
Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 14:38:12
I'm unsure what the logic is behind the points, I'm trying to find what is used.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6468160
SC loss here, grants NC 6 points.
Drake, 28 parties involved, ISK loss ~52.1m

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6468191
NC loss here, grants SC 9 points.
Drake, 32 parties involved, ISK loss ~52.7m

The main difference is the IT gang has more involved, the victim a worse fit, and only a 600k difference in price. And yet granted 9 more points.

I'm not going to call shenanigans just yet, but I'm curious.



edit:

31 points to SC for killing a cyno kessie

26 points to NC for killing a cyno kessie




I think the ships used matters, rifter kills a raven is worth more points then if a raven killed a raven. Should explain all your multiplier questions

edit for proof:

Same Cyno Kessie dies to t1 frig worth 34 points
Same Cyno Kessie dies to BC worth 12 points
Same Cyno Kessie dies to Hac worth 9 points

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 15:23:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: Xtover on 30/04/2010 15:35:04
Originally by: Akov Stohs


I think the ships used matters, rifter kills a raven is worth more points then if a raven killed a raven. Should explain all your multiplier questions

edit for proof:

Same Cyno Kessie dies to t1 frig worth 34 points
Same Cyno Kessie dies to BC worth 12 points
Same Cyno Kessie dies to Hac worth 9 points


Dude, a dramiel is not a T1 ship... it's a faction ship with specific buffs to it.

I was thinking that also, but should a dram or inty get more than a bomber? In your example the dramiel gets 34 points... which explains a lot

Faction frigs are getting too many points.

exxxie
Gallente
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.30 15:25:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: exxxie on 30/04/2010 15:24:49
Hi peter! o/

Also, nice website, thanks.

Akov Stohs
Caldari
Windowlickers Inc
Wrath.
Posted - 2010.04.30 15:42:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Xtover

Dude, a dramiel is not a T1 ship... it's a faction ship with specific buffs to it.

I was thinking that also, but should a dram or inty get more than a bomber? In your example the dramiel gets 34 points... which explains a lot

Faction frigs are getting too many points.


Pretty sure the dramiel counted as a T1 ship on every killboard...

also bomber is a battleship sized weapon, so it should get less then any other frigate class.

Xtover
Amarr
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.04.30 15:58:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Akov Stohs
Originally by: Xtover

Dude, a dramiel is not a T1 ship... it's a faction ship with specific buffs to it.

I was thinking that also, but should a dram or inty get more than a bomber? In your example the dramiel gets 34 points... which explains a lot

Faction frigs are getting too many points.


Pretty sure the dramiel counted as a T1 ship on every killboard...

also bomber is a battleship sized weapon, so it should get less then any other frigate class.


I'm pretty sure it is also, however we're not talking about that, we're talking about "weight" and the dramiel should be at least compared to an inty, even though it's actually far better.

a stealth bomber has the DPS of 1/2 of a BS, and the tank of a T1 frigate.

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.04.30 16:45:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit

Just 3 question needed.
1. How big the multiplier for SC ? Twisted Evil
2. Why hiding WN. from SC because everyone knows they are go to many operations with SC in north.
3. Why added to killmails from Fountain, when Blast, HUN, Blade. killing anyone ?

4. Just a bonus question for you. Peter Powers why use false datas on his counter page ?

When they lost more ships and ISK than NC everytime they won in killpoints. :D

And forget dumb and other words, dont be angry if P Powers using interesting counts.


If you count WN and CO2 for the SC, you'd have to count PL for the Nc, it'd only be fair.


oh wait, that won't look so good.


wn and c02 are neutral, we shoot loads of them too

and stop being railroaded and brainwashed by nc leaders, nc do not win every fight, they win some but not all

i,ve been in many fights the last few weeks where nc got totally obliterated

its prob about even on both sides tbh
just lets have fun and kill each other, do stats really mean that much ??


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