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Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.14 14:42:00 - [151]
 

First of all:
a few changes,
the home side has been split up to daily and total stats pages (use the links at the top), and the new home just shows basic total stats + the stats of the day before.

the daily page is pretty much what was on the home under daily before

on special request the total page got extended by graphs displaying the growth of points/isk killed/kills over time.


Originally by: senecti

So how does this work then ? if you got on most of the crusaders boards their KD ratios are far lower than those on the NC's boards but somewhere along the way the crusaders gained loads.


ratios usually look different on single killboards since they are not all added up there - also most of the reports there tend to be mixed with kills from one side showing up as kills of the other - this does not happen in the calculations for northern crusade.

Originally by: senecti

Also if the mail needs to be posted on both boards how does that work when for example atlas today have had 17 losses according to eve-kill yet only 1 has found its way onto atlas's board. Also if you look at the day before atlas lost 3 and half pages worth but they only posted 7 on their boards.


It does not need to be on both boards (where is this rumour comming from?)
one killmail has two information,
one is one entry - the victim,
the other side is a list of attackers.

the victim needs to be from side1
and at least one of the attackers from side2
for the kill to be counted for side2.

no matter from which board this is comming,
one mail is enough to ensure it is a mail from
this conflict.

Welshy RL
Gallente
Department of Damnation
ROYAL NAVY.
Posted - 2010.04.14 15:39:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/04/2010 13:39:38
Originally by: Dirala

....

Originally by: Peter Powers

About the color discussion:
Blue/Red is a classic color scheme for display of sides in military conflicts, i dont see why i should use something else - Im sure had i made the attacking side pink and the defending side brown, then there would have been complains about brown being a negative color - seriously guys, this website is not about colors.


This is very true. But, red is also on all Killboards, and in pretty much every Movie :) the color of the enemy when you look at those type of stats is red as well.
This looks to me like, blue as in BoB/IT kinda color they always had on sovmap. And red, well, red the enemy as you see it on every killboard and so on. Nice thinking. :)
Sorry, this looks also a bit biased to me.
better make it Any other Color, even pink would be better. :) You are right when you say it's not about color. But the colors you chose make a bad impression, design does help to make a site trustworthy.

...

Cheers Dirala



Oh for the love of....Peter, please..Just change the colors around. Make us (IT etc etc) Red, and them (NC) Blue. Be done with this stupid overanalytical nonsense.
Honestly why you even mentioned colors to begin with is beyond me. Next Morsus Mihi will probably have a go at whoever set the respective colors of IT and MM on the Sov map..christ. Wheres the smiley thats banging its head into a wall when I need it.


Y not have a Logo for the NC and an Logo for the SC+IT be easy,, all theyd need to do is do an logo give it to u karb and make it look very nice and 3d vids hehe im making no sence right now im slightly drunkRazz

CATTYS
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.15 09:58:00 - [153]
 

Well who care the f....g colours and name of the campain....as long the nc are in north and the atackers come most of them from south the simple name was more likle N vs S .But those treats are for pep who have time 2 troll not for pvpers.From my wiew i expect this campain to start for 3 weeks ,so as long we have a fight is more that ok...Pew pew is fun ..f.. the carrbears...from both side north and south...
And for problem with co2 and wh they live in north and if they see a oportunity 2 get some good moons from nc ,good for them ,they will help as aslong they keep nc bussy on all fronts....but this not a part of our plan....
And btw...as a former nc pilot ...nc is rusty now....they need a change ,they hold those regions for a long time and start 2 transform i a lot of carrebears...and fat isk farmers.
So grate job IT,INIT,ROL,ATLAS and other who join the fight no matter the side....who come only for some gf gf gf gf gf gf...goooddddd figtssss....Twisted Evil

Deltaprimus
Caldari
Shadow Legion.
Posted - 2010.04.15 12:58:00 - [154]
 

heya mate ur stats for talos are wrong :(

http://talos-coalition.co.uk/?a=home

thats our killboard its 100% api synced so there's no fake mails and all losses are on there as well (otherwise my guys get ball ache from me for not posting properley). if you wish to point ur killboard at that to bring ur database up to date ur more than welcome.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.15 18:45:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Peter Powers on 15/04/2010 18:53:01
Originally by: Deltaprimus
heya mate ur stats for talos are wrong :(

http://talos-coalition.co.uk/?a=home

thats our killboard its 100% api synced so there's no fake mails and all losses are on there as well (otherwise my guys get ball ache from me for not posting properley). if you wish to point ur killboard at that to bring ur database up to date ur more than welcome.

im not exactly sure which stats you mean, northern crusade doesnt exactly do statistics for single alliances?

EDIT: actually i think i found what you mean, you mean the alliance stats on eve-kill, not northern crusade?
i just made a quick check over the two boards to see the difference, the eve-kill one shows actually more kills than your own one - the point is that your own one is wrong!
The API only contains kills where one of you either lost his ship or where the final blow was by one of the corp that the key belongs to - so if one of your allies (another alliance) got the final blow, and your killboard is not synching feeds from there (looks like that is the case) - then those mails will not show up on your own board,
but they might, trough eve-kill reading the feed from all sorts of borads, end up on eve-kill.

Imigo Montoya
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.16 04:12:00 - [156]
 

A very useful tool for statistics indeed. Most sides' killboards are showing a very high efficiency due to the flawed nature of killboards - while many people can take part in the destruction of a ship (and each can then have it counting on their killboard), only one person (and therefore corp/alliance) takes any loss.

I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning that comes from this though. To say one side is winning because they are killing more ships/ISK is horrendously flawed. It assumes that both sides have an equal industrial/economic footing, and as 'everybody' knows, the NC are all carebears and therefore have much more ability to keep pumping out new ships... Wink

To determine whether a side is winning or losing you would really need to have some metric to measure their ability to sustain losses compared to the losses they are sustaining. Without that this is simply a good killboard flaw rectification tool.

So, let's stop making judgements on success/failure based on incomplete information, and remember, he conquers who endures.

riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.04.16 04:30:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
A very useful tool for statistics indeed. Most sides' killboards are showing a very high efficiency due to the flawed nature of killboards - while many people can take part in the destruction of a ship (and each can then have it counting on their killboard), only one person (and therefore corp/alliance) takes any loss.

I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning that comes from this though. To say one side is winning because they are killing more ships/ISK is horrendously flawed. It assumes that both sides have an equal industrial/economic footing, and as 'everybody' knows, the NC are all carebears and therefore have much more ability to keep pumping out new ships... Wink

To determine whether a side is winning or losing you would really need to have some metric to measure their ability to sustain losses compared to the losses they are sustaining. Without that this is simply a good killboard flaw rectification tool.

So, let's stop making judgements on success/failure based on incomplete information, and remember, he conquers who endures.


QTF, wouldn't be better to just take into account "final blows"???

German hugs, RazzCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadRolling EyesIdeaArrowNeutralYARRRR!!ughugh
riverini YARRRR!!

Optimism
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.04.16 09:10:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Optimism on 16/04/2010 09:11:56
You need to fix the prices for faction missiles and reprice all the kills that have happened up until now...

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.16 11:21:00 - [159]
 

Hello dear Capsuleers,

In the eye of recent events -A- has been added to the crusaders side.

Originally by: Optimism

You need to fix the prices for faction missiles and reprice all the kills that have happened up until now...

a) you want to take this to the EVSCO guys (check the links to their chats)
b) those prices affect both sides equal so its not that much of an issue

regards,
PP

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:04:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Peter Powers on 19/04/2010 20:04:58
Hello,

a few days ago a friend offered to contribute to
northern-crusade, today he gave me his code,
so here a new feature for all those who
want more numbers:

There are now daily details available, most prominent:
the values are available to read split by system.

there will be more/other details available soon aswell.

regards
PP

PS: thanks to all the donators btw!

EDIT: PPS, how rude of me, i forgot to mention his name, Femaref

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2010.04.19 20:07:00 - [161]
 

That site is getting utterly awesome now. Great work lads, really impressed.

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.21 17:38:00 - [162]
 

This should probably be bumped to the top, now that the link is readded, much love to Naviator and Fallout <3 Very Happy

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.23 11:29:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: arjun on 23/04/2010 11:29:59
something makes me curious. on 22.04 at downtime kills for both parties were shown as 861/862 respectively for the 21.04.
at downtime of the 23.04 the numbers are still the same. was there not a single new killmail added during those 24 hours for the 21.04 or is there no feeding of older killmails?

edit: i setup a new operating system on my pc. now i cant see the shiny graphics. what addon do i need to install?

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 17:21:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: arjun
Edited by: arjun on 23/04/2010 11:29:59
something makes me curious. on 22.04 at downtime kills for both parties were shown as 861/862 respectively for the 21.04.
at downtime of the 23.04 the numbers are still the same. was there not a single new killmail added during those 24 hours for the 21.04 or is there no feeding of older killmails?

edit: i setup a new operating system on my pc. now i cant see the shiny graphics. what addon do i need to install?


the 22nd has 505 kills for Crusaders and 666 for NC (lol)
21st has 861 for Crusaders and 862 for NC

As for the days, they are first updated the next day - so the stats for today (the 23rd) will first be calculated tomorrow the 24th - so the mails have a chance to be posted and synched.

As for watching the graphs, install Adobe Flash :P

Hun Jakuza
Minmatar
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.04.23 18:19:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:45:09
Check this out

EVSCO working well isn't ?
Just check this out related kills. :D
Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it.
30% is IT pilot in left side.
But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot.

Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D
No, just 30% different from the real data.

I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members.
When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills.

Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda.
I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights.
The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%.
Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses.

Aelena Thraant
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:26:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:45:09
Check this out

EVSCO working well isn't ?
Just check this out related kills. :D
Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it.
30% is IT pilot in left side.
But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot.

Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D
No, just 30% different from the real data.

I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members.
When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills.

Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda.
I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights.
The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%.
Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses.


WTB Clue for 500 Alex...

If someone deploys a bomb that hits a friendly and that friendly dies or a bubble or shoots a friendly by mistake and that friendly dies then they will always appear on the other side. This is common to all the killboards based on EDK.

As has been said before... a kill counts as a SC side if you kill a NC member with one or more SC members and vise versa...

Hun Jakuza
Minmatar
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:37:00 - [167]
 

Vica versa ? Please summarize the IT and their allies in the left fleet and summarize NC members in right fleet.
THX bye!

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:01:00 - [168]
 

mr karbowiak maybe reread my question? are mails that are posted on any of the kb after dt next day shown on your site? (seems not like that)if not are there technical reasons or is the serverload too large to feed in later mails?

Aelena Thraant
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:06:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Vica versa ? Please summarize the IT and their allies in the left fleet and summarize NC members in right fleet.
THX bye!


That has no baring on the stats.... Other than that specific battle report. I bet if you go look at the NC killboard you will see friendlies on the hostile side at times too. In my experience this is more prevalent in large battles due to lag and overview issues.

Go look at: http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=858413

You will see RED.OverLord on the friendly side.

Also you are looking at the generic EVSCO kb that doesn't know who is friendly and hostile so while usually I've seen the numbers the same on both sides it never has it with the real hostiles on one side and friendlies on the other... It's usually the same pilots on both sides.

So where is the NC version of this tool to compare the kills/losses too??? My bet would be that it would be similar on a day to day bases if using the same alliances and having all the killmails

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.23 23:43:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 23/04/2010 18:45:09
Check this out

EVSCO working well isn't ?
Just check this out related kills. :D
Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it.
30% is IT pilot in left side.
But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot.

Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D
No, just 30% different from the real data.

I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members.
When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills.

Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda.
I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights.
The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%.
Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses.


What?..

Its EDK, and its a public killboard - it doesnt show proper kill_related stats, however kill_related has no effect on the stats that Northern Crusade shows.
If you want to know how Nothern Crusade calculates the stats check some of the earlier replies from Peter Powers.

Originally by: arjun
mr karbowiak maybe reread my question? are mails that are posted on any of the kb after dt next day shown on your site? (seems not like that)if not are there technical reasons or is the serverload too large to feed in later mails?


Feeds are synched every 3 hours, every day.. 00:00 03:00 06:00... etc.
And API mod are synched every 2 hours, every day.. 00:00 02:00 04:00... etc.

However, if a killboard isn't added to our feed list, it wont get synched - and thus the mails wont show up and be calculated into it.

As for updating older stats, no - we dont do that on Northern Crusade - why you ask, well everyone has a 24h window where they can post all their mails to EVE-Kill - if that isn't enough then tough luck.

However this shouldn't be a major problem, seeing as all corporations and alliances in the conflict has their killboards added to our feed list - and many of the corporations and alliances actually use our killboards..

Hope this answers what you are after.. Smile

Hun Jakuza
Minmatar
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.04.24 08:54:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 24/04/2010 09:30:13
Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Check this out

EVSCO working well isn't ?
Just check this out related kills. :D
Friendly (990) what is not realy 990 if someone see it.
30% is IT pilot in left side.
But IT fleet is at right side with (641) pilot.

Someone thinking about, IT fought against each others ? :D
No, just 30% different from the real data.

I was there i know it we fought with 250BS 4 hours long and the enemy was there over 800 members.
When they leaved system we catched the Wyvern and the killmail wh.o.res came later with ceptors and small ships , because they want to shot a supercarrier for free, that u see it on related kills.

Karbowiak data nothing else just an another SC propaganda.
I saw there 30% SC advantage in the first week, but i was there in the all fights.
The SC not won a single battle in the first week and their efficiency was cca 40%.
Just check 2010.04.01 false data. They was positive efficiency ? No they was not. Ridiculous. Just their Wyvern and capital ships lost was more than all NC losses.


What?..

Its EDK, and its a public killboard - it doesnt show proper kill_related stats, however kill_related has no effect on the stats that Northern Crusade shows.
If you want to know how Nothern Crusade calculates the stats check some of the earlier replies from Peter Powers.


Realy ? Everyone know this is not true.
Because your stat not summarize from losses, but added to your data the kills too.
But everyone know killers not equal with the real data.

Check this example with 30 capital (RED Team) vs 30 capital (BLUE Team) fleetbattle:

Red team shot blue team with single weapon, but blue team using smartbombs and using damage to own fleet.
At end of fight the Red team won the fight and they killed all enemy ships and lost 5 ships from 30. The real data is 5 lost vs 30 lost.

But what you will see with your count ? All Blue team got 35 kills too because they used smartbomb and they made it 35 capital kill (cca 45 billion summarized damage). But this data not realy true.

Try to make your data to real, try to summarize just the losses. If someone lost a ship from an enemy ship that will 1 kill.
But now when 1 friendly killed one ship from own side that 1 kill, and their losses and ISK losses added to sum to your http://northern-crusade.com/ summary page. This is not EDK killboard just a counter, so you just could to add to page a simple program or php/html code which not enable to add to statistic (1 kill to other side too), those datas which have friendly fire in own kills. Simple: if IT,Atlas,-A- etc. alliance member contains in SC members killmail and made it finalblow just leave it.


This is simple, but you using to all sum for kill data.
Just if you want to know, on the first week NC not realy used smartbombing capitals, but SC did, when you check the EVSCO killboard you will see it (1,2), in every battlesummary, plus 20-30 percent SC members in NC fleet.
As you count it now add plus 20-30 percent SC kills to the real data.

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Karbowiak on 24/04/2010 12:11:33
Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 24/04/2010 09:30:13
Realy ? Everyone know this is not true.
Because your stat not summarize from losses, but added to your data the kills too.
But everyone know killers not equal with the real data.

Check this example with 30 capital (RED Team) vs 30 capital (BLUE Team) fleetbattle:

Red team shot blue team with single weapon, but blue team using smartbombs and using damage to own fleet.
At end of fight the Red team won the fight and they killed all enemy ships and lost 5 ships from 30. The real data is 5 lost vs 30 lost.

But what you will see with your count ? All Blue team got 35 kills too because they used smartbomb and they made it 35 capital kill (cca 45 billion summarized damage). But this data not realy true.

Try to make your data to real, try to summarize just the losses. If someone lost a ship from an enemy ship that will 1 kill.
But now when 1 friendly killed one ship from own side that 1 kill, and their losses and ISK losses added to sum to your http://northern-crusade.com/ summary page. This is not EDK killboard just a counter, so you just could to add to page a simple program or php/html code which not enable to add to statistic (1 kill to other side too), those datas which have friendly fire in own kills. Simple: if IT,Atlas,-A- etc. alliance member contains in SC members killmail and made it finalblow just leave it.


This is simple, but you using to all sum for kill data.
Just if you want to know, on the first week NC not realy used smartbombing capitals, but SC did, when you check the EVSCO killboard you will see it (1,2), in every battlesummary, plus 20-30 percent SC members in NC fleet.
As you count it now add plus 20-30 percent SC kills to the real data.


the EDK killboard doesn't have any effect on Northern Crusade - ffs..
Northern Crusade uses the database that the killboard generate, and the killboard generate their stats from the killmails posted to the database.

Its not like the database is saying "HEY, LETS ADD MORE KILLS TO THIS SIDE.. WHY? WELL, CAUSE I CAN MWAHAHA". It adds the killmail in a certain format so it can quickly get accessed and used for information.
Northern Crusade board accessed that information and calculates its stats from that.

As for the smartbomb theory, yeah, no.. i don't buy it.. why? read Peter Powers explanation as to how it actually calculates stats..
It goes by DEATHS.. not who shot at people.

If 1 SC dies, thats 1 point for NC, if 1 NC dies, its 1 point for SC..
Not your lame ass way, and if you actually bothered READING earlier replies you'd know that..

Stop trolling and stop being a ******.. use your brain, eventho its hard..

edit://
Actually, if 1 NC dies, and the killmail has one SC on it - then its counted as a loss for NC and a kill for SC, smartbomb or no smartbomb.
And the opposite (for the ***s out there that cant figure that one out themselves) if 1 SC dies, and the killmail has one NC on it - then its counted as a loss for SC and a kill for NC, smartbomb or no smartbomb.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.24 12:07:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Peter Powers on 24/04/2010 12:07:30
what Karb said.

Necronym
Minmatar
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:38:00 - [174]
 

Nice site, thanks for all the work put in to it Very Happy

Funnily enough, skimming through this thread and it seems that only the NC ppl are complaining about the stats of KB. Most likely cause factual data is something they can not spin as a 'win' like they been doin this entire war Rolling EyesConfusedSurprisedShocked

BAteh
Amarr
Penumbra Congregatio
Posted - 2010.04.24 13:51:00 - [175]
 

Use the Google Chart API instead of this Flashwhatever, so mobile equipments can see it.

SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
Posted - 2010.04.25 13:20:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: BAteh
Use the Google Chart API instead of this Flashwhatever, so mobile equipments can see it.


Need to be able to check on your e-peen 24/7 wherever you are don't you?Laughing

Anyway friendly bump for a great service!

BlueMajere
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.25 22:01:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Necronym
Nice site, thanks for all the work put in to it Very Happy

Funnily enough, skimming through this thread and it seems that only the NC ppl are complaining about the stats of KB. Most likely cause factual data is something they can not spin as a 'win' like they been doin this entire war Rolling EyesConfusedSurprisedShocked


it's because it was made by members of the SC therefore it's a pile of ****, duh.

arjun
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.25 22:26:00 - [178]
 

hmmmm til today i was unsure about the inclusion of CO2, WN and RA on the SC side.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Z-K495/kills
that shows clearly, that those entities are blue to IT (required in the conditions to be included in the SC) and they shoot NC (in this special case working together to protect SBU planted in NC territory). the not inclusion of said entities into the SC by the northern crusade page seems more and more questionable.
mind that i dont know if the side i am on would look better or even worse after the inclusion of said entities.
NC doesnt look good in the statistics. i think thats an accurate assesment of reality but to make the service even better i request to include CO2, WN and possibly RA into the SC.

Linka Milani
Caldari
Azure Horizon
Posted - 2010.04.25 22:37:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: BAteh
Use the Google Chart API instead of this Flashwhatever, so mobile equipments can see it.


Most mobile devices should be able to handle Flash, not? (Well not my own SE phone, but that's not really considered a contemporary mobile device anymore i'm afraid)

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.25 22:39:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: arjun
NC doesnt look good in the statistics. i think thats an accurate assesment of reality but to make the service even better i request to include CO2, WN and possibly RA into the SC.


Specially when these 3 entities were working together with IT/ROL today during ZK-495 fight.



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