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Murauke
Caldari
EvE Cookie Collective
Posted - 2010.04.13 11:42:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


As I posted earlier how does several mooons affect eco war? "at the end of it all it does not really matter how many ships are killed or not" lol wake up, thats what it is all about. without ships..no fighting dumbass...

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2010.04.13 11:57:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
and Waagaa is wearing skirts.


I can't be blamed for everything.

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2010.04.13 11:59:00 - [123]
 

AHA!


The piecharts look like Pepsi-logos, I see. Marketing? In MY EvE?
Shenanigans!

CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2010.04.13 12:00:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 12:04:26
Originally by: Murauke
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


As I posted earlier how does several mooons affect eco war? "at the end of it all it does not really matter how many ships are killed or not" lol wake up, thats what it is all about. without ships..no fighting dumbass...


You would excuse me...but i think the "dumbass" is you. Do you not think that alliance as large as they dont have an effective ship replacement program? They probably can build 3 or 5 for every you destroy. Cap ships is different thought. If they didnt had an effective replacement, they would have lost the Pathetic Legion and pets ages ago but they didnt. So really its does not really matter how many ships you loose as long as the overall objective is been won. Its like the old russian history. They kept throuwing ppl into the front line, no matter how many die, at the end there is a brake throught.

Also you cant really build ships without POS minerals. They help a ton in production of tech 2 ships. So loosing moons, loose more capability to produce them at a faster rate.

And at the end IT and their allies still have their moons. Its only the NC thats loosing theirs. Its only the NCs space thats been herassed and not of the SC. This is an easy moral victory. The SC pets are safe and happy, the NC pets will start to feel the pinch very soon i think.

Those are my thoughts...






Murauke
Caldari
EvE Cookie Collective
Posted - 2010.04.13 12:49:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 12:04:26
Originally by: Murauke
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


As I posted earlier how does several mooons affect eco war? "at the end of it all it does not really matter how many ships are killed or not" lol wake up, thats what it is all about. without ships..no fighting dumbass...


You would excuse me...but i think the "dumbass" is you. Do you not think that alliance as large as they dont have an effective ship replacement program? They probably can build 3 or 5 for every you destroy. Cap ships is different thought. If they didnt had an effective replacement, they would have lost the Pathetic Legion and pets ages ago but they didnt. So really its does not really matter how many ships you loose as long as the overall objective is been won. Its like the old russian history. They kept throuwing ppl into the front line, no matter how many die, at the end there is a brake throught.

Also you cant really build ships without POS minerals. They help a ton in production of tech 2 ships. So loosing moons, loose more capability to produce them at a faster rate.

And at the end IT and their allies still have their moons. Its only the NC thats loosing theirs. Its only the NCs space thats been herassed and not of the SC. This is an easy moral victory. The SC pets are safe and happy, the NC pets will start to feel the pinch very soon i think.

Those are my thoughts...








No ships no fighting!

CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2010.04.13 12:55:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Murauke
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 12:04:26
Originally by: Murauke
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


As I posted earlier how does several mooons affect eco war? "at the end of it all it does not really matter how many ships are killed or not" lol wake up, thats what it is all about. without ships..no fighting dumbass...


You would excuse me...but i think the "dumbass" is you. Do you not think that alliance as large as they dont have an effective ship replacement program? They probably can build 3 or 5 for every you destroy. Cap ships is different thought. If they didnt had an effective replacement, they would have lost the Pathetic Legion and pets ages ago but they didnt. So really its does not really matter how many ships you loose as long as the overall objective is been won. Its like the old russian history. They kept throuwing ppl into the front line, no matter how many die, at the end there is a brake throught.

Also you cant really build ships without POS minerals. They help a ton in production of tech 2 ships. So loosing moons, loose more capability to produce them at a faster rate.

And at the end IT and their allies still have their moons. Its only the NC thats loosing theirs. Its only the NCs space thats been herassed and not of the SC. This is an easy moral victory. The SC pets are safe and happy, the NC pets will start to feel the pinch very soon i think.

Those are my thoughts...








No ships no fighting!


lol. OK let me put it to you this way....Who do you think its going to win the SC or NC? My vote is the SC. What yours? And we will see who is right and wrong in a few months...So your vote is?

Murauke
Caldari
EvE Cookie Collective
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:14:00 - [127]
 

I have no emotional attachment to this game and i'm in it for enjoyment.

I'd much rather see SOV drop because bills cant be paid, fleet numbers dropping, and ships un-properly fit before you start claiming the ECO war has already been won.

Its been good fun when i've managed to be there, something the game has needed for a long time. But passive income has been milked and milked for a long time do you not think these alliances are sitting on billions of isk already, on both sides?

But an interesting opinion i would like to make is, how much "eco strain" is being put on the attackers? Numbers on both sides have peaked may be a sign of strain, boredom or anticipation of the new patch.

We know our territory, we are the taliban. :D

Dirala
Caldari
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:19:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Peter Powers
o/ folks,
i just added a few charts today, for people who like it a bit more
visual than numbers (alot of people where asking me in chats and other forums for this)
(yes im reading more then this, trying to get more input on how to imrpove)


Charts are always good. :)

And before I tell my point of view, in generell I find this a very goood Idea. And nice of you to invest the work into it. thumbs up!

Originally by: Peter Powers

about the "1st of april" discussion:
I was thinking about the date and when to start quite a bit before we launched the northern-crusade website, because i knew no matter what date i pick there would be discussion. At first my favorite was to start tracking at launch-day, but then alot of people would have complained about the 10 days before that.
Putting the date before a the day that the invasion started might be in favour for the defending forces (not sure i havent run the numbers), but a bit unorthodox too, and i dont see where to draw the line then.
The Decision was made, and it will stay as it is.


If the start of the invasion would have been the 1st of April, the first big engagement regarding this south vs north conflict would have been on that day. Which it was not. IT may have planed it this way, but... and so forth :)
Looks a bit biased to me.

Originally by: Peter Powers

About the color discussion:
Blue/Red is a classic color scheme for display of sides in military conflicts, i dont see why i should use something else - Im sure had i made the attacking side pink and the defending side brown, then there would have been complains about brown being a negative color - seriously guys, this website is not about colors.


This is very true. But, red is also on all Killboards, and in pretty much every Movie :) the color of the enemy when you look at those type of stats is red as well.
This looks to me like, blue as in BoB/IT kinda color they always had on sovmap. And red, well, red the enemy as you see it on every killboard and so on. Nice thinking. :)
Sorry, this looks also a bit biased to me.
better make it Any other Color, even pink would be better. :) You are right when you say it's not about color. But the colors you chose make a bad impression, design does help to make a site trustworthy.

Originally by: Peter Powers

We where discussing a name for the domain on EVSCOs irc channel a few days ago, and pretty much all we could come up with was pretty lame - all circus/clow related stuff would not give credit to all of the attackers, and we did not want to use terms used for previous wars making it more distinctive.


And what about the credit for the defenders? I'm pretty sure nobody ever thought about that.
So again, this sounds very much biased.

Originally by: Peter Powers

[...] most where using SC - which is not only quite lame, but also not accurate (Ev0ke for example is not a southern entity and not all southern major alliances are involved), so looking at the name of the site i believe crusaders is quite a good fit for the name.


True, but than why use the Term NC?
But I won't get into that duscussion again.

To sum it all up. This really looks like propagande, although I think it was done by real legit reasons.
I don't wanne disregard your work as propagande. But I can see why a lot of people think it is.
Especially because you don't wanne change a little bit of it. (which actually would make your work more accepted)

Anyways, I got a question too.
Regarding the ISK kill/loss: You take modules into account? And when you pull kills from other boards, how is the ISK value determined. because on the IT killboard, the Wyvern loss for example is way less ISK as on the eve-kill board. And that is because all the faction modules on the IT Killboard are worth nothing.

Cheers Dirala

CBBOMBERMAN
Gallente
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:29:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 13:32:47
Originally by: Murauke
I have no emotional attachment to this game and i'm in it for enjoyment.

I'd much rather see SOV drop because bills cant be paid, fleet numbers dropping, and ships un-properly fit before you start claiming the ECO war has already been won.

Its been good fun when i've managed to be there, something the game has needed for a long time. But passive income has been milked and milked for a long time do you not think these alliances are sitting on billions of isk already, on both sides?

But an interesting opinion i would like to make is, how much "eco strain" is being put on the attackers? Numbers on both sides have peaked may be a sign of strain, boredom or anticipation of the new patch.

We know our territory, we are the taliban. :D


Without a doubt that both sit on billions of isk but so did PL and now look where they are. I like they way you avoid the question thought.
And yes without a doubt there is a need for the new patch to lower the lag fiasco.
The eco strain is for now low on both sides. Cos its only getting started. I am sure that lots of the SC logistics are been moved still and will be for some time. Once they establish their logistic in the borders then they boost kicks in.
Also you mention soooo much the killing of ships but you forget the POSs loss. Each is worth billions in isk. And they are not easelly replaced XD

Tertiacero
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:32:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Grigo

rage



So when did Plague Black buy Grigo's account?

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:36:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/04/2010 13:39:38
Originally by: Dirala

....

Originally by: Peter Powers

About the color discussion:
Blue/Red is a classic color scheme for display of sides in military conflicts, i dont see why i should use something else - Im sure had i made the attacking side pink and the defending side brown, then there would have been complains about brown being a negative color - seriously guys, this website is not about colors.


This is very true. But, red is also on all Killboards, and in pretty much every Movie :) the color of the enemy when you look at those type of stats is red as well.
This looks to me like, blue as in BoB/IT kinda color they always had on sovmap. And red, well, red the enemy as you see it on every killboard and so on. Nice thinking. :)
Sorry, this looks also a bit biased to me.
better make it Any other Color, even pink would be better. :) You are right when you say it's not about color. But the colors you chose make a bad impression, design does help to make a site trustworthy.

...

Cheers Dirala



Oh for the love of....Peter, please..Just change the colors around. Make us (IT etc etc) Red, and them (NC) Blue. Be done with this stupid overanalytical nonsense.
Honestly why you even mentioned colors to begin with is beyond me. Next Morsus Mihi will probably have a go at whoever set the respective colors of IT and MM on the Sov map..christ. Wheres the smiley thats banging its head into a wall when I need it.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:43:00 - [132]
 

Suggestion:

Add total numbers (character wise) for each alliance on the lists. And a grand total for Crusaders and NC.

Just so people would understand what clash this is. :>

Dirala
Caldari
The Foreign Legion
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:49:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria


Oh for the love of....Peter, please..Just change the colors around. Make us (IT etc etc) Red, and them (NC) Blue. Be done with this stupid overanalytical nonsense.
Honestly why you even mentioned colors to begin with is beyond me. Wheres the smiley thats banging its head into a wall when I need it.


I was just trying to give an explenation on why this, indeed very stupid color discussion, started in the first place. :)

Murauke
Caldari
EvE Cookie Collective
Posted - 2010.04.13 13:49:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 13:32:47
Originally by: Murauke
I have no emotional attachment to this game and i'm in it for enjoyment.

I'd much rather see SOV drop because bills cant be paid, fleet numbers dropping, and ships un-properly fit before you start claiming the ECO war has already been won.

Its been good fun when i've managed to be there, something the game has needed for a long time. But passive income has been milked and milked for a long time do you not think these alliances are sitting on billions of isk already, on both sides?

But an interesting opinion i would like to make is, how much "eco strain" is being put on the attackers? Numbers on both sides have peaked may be a sign of strain, boredom or anticipation of the new patch.

We know our territory, we are the taliban. :D


Without a doubt that both sit on billions of isk but so did PL and now look where they are. I like they way you avoid the question thought.
And yes without a doubt there is a need for the new patch to lower the lag fiasco.
The eco strain is for now low on both sides. Cos its only getting started. I am sure that lots of the SC logistics are been moved still and will be for some time. Once they establish their logistic in the borders then they boost kicks in.
Also you mention soooo much the killing of ships but you forget the POSs loss. Each is worth billions in isk. And they are not easelly replaced XD


not really since the re-calibration passive income has been drastically reduced, what has taken a hit though is SOV so with all the systems that all the SC hold thats a financial drain too. In my opinion, poses are being popped on both sides the more the SC take the more they have to do to keep them fueled thats a eco strain.... like i said i have no emotional attachment to this game, i've learnt that alliances come and go, space is taken and then lost and then retaken 12months later under a new name all that matters is the name on the tin.

The only winner at the moment is CCP and the ship manufactures because i sure hope they are learning a lot from the massive lag and grid load issue's.

Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.04.13 14:17:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Murauke

The only winner at the moment is CCP and the ship manufactures because i sure hope they are learning a lot from the massive lag and grid load issue's.


You'd think they should be able to see what the problem is with all these fights, but I'm not convinced until I see progress. The grid load issues definitely need fixing, especially with the new "max 10 AU further from the sun than the most distant celestial" 'fix' they're implementing. That's certainly not going to **** over attackers even more than it already is.

Hell, I lost a ship a while back because I lagged out or whatever after I'd loaded grid after warping to a gate. And that was with what, 100-200 in system, tops, mostly blue.

Murauke
Caldari
EvE Cookie Collective
Posted - 2010.04.13 14:33:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Murauke

The only winner at the moment is CCP and the ship manufactures because i sure hope they are learning a lot from the massive lag and grid load issue's.


You'd think they should be able to see what the problem is with all these fights, but I'm not convinced until I see progress. The grid load issues definitely need fixing, especially with the new "max 10 AU further from the sun than the most distant elestial" 'fix' they're implementing. That's certainly not going to **** over attackers even more than it already is.

Hell, I lost a ship a while back because I lagged out or whatever after I'd loaded grid after warping to a gate. And that was with what, 100-200 in system, tops, mostly blue.


May be....think of it like this, theoritically 1000au+ points can be achieved that is one massive grid that is broken up into smaller grids. May be by reducing the size of a system it will reduce the size of the overall grid. / system. i dunno about game designs but i'm worried that adding more content into a grid e.g. planet modules etc, its just gonna f4ck the system completely.

Peter Powers
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 16:30:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Dirala

better make it Any other Color, even pink would be better. :) You are right when you say it's not about color. But the colors you chose make a bad impression, design does help to make a site trustworthy.


i dont see why i should spend extra design work just because some guys dont like the color i pick - no matter colors i will pick someone will complain, it stays as it is, and i will ignore any further discussion about the colors.

Originally by: Dirala

And what about the credit for the defenders? I'm pretty sure nobody ever thought about that. So again, this sounds very much biased.


i believe "northern crusade" to be much less biased than "circus up north" or something like that, cause the later one would pretty much say "IT against north", while the first one a new block (which did not exist before btw) marks - and if you havent noticed "northern" allready gives credit for the northeners being in this conflict.

Originally by: Dirala

Especially because you don't wanne change a little bit of it. (which actually would make your work more accepted)


i've spend quite some time reviewing proposed changes in the setup of the two sides, if you read previous posts you will also see that i, after those reviews even did add/remove/change a few.

However i dont see why i should:
- edit colors to the preference of a hand full of people (quite sure getting others to complain then), i put alot of work in this, and i think as long as i am happy with how it looks, and aslong as the information is transported it is fine
- add alliances/corps to one side of the conflict, when they are actively shooting at that side, there is simply no logic in that.
- change any names, as for colors there will allways be someone declaring that the name doesnt fit his preferences, but seriously, get over it.

This is not meant to win a popularity contest but to provide as accurate statistics as possible - the criteria for those statistics are public, so it shouldnt be to hard to figure whats possible and what not.

Originally by: Dirala

Anyways, I got a question too.
Regarding the ISK kill/loss: You take modules into account? And when you pull kills from other boards, how is the ISK value determined. because on the IT killboard, the Wyvern loss for example is way less ISK as on the eve-kill board. And that is because all the faction modules on the IT Killboard are worth nothing.


It uses the value from the evsco database, when evsco imports killmails from other boards the values are generated on the fly (thats data which is not copied from other boards).
And yes, module prices should be included.


Originally by: foksieloy
Suggestion:

Add total numbers (character wise) for each alliance on the lists. And a grand total for Crusaders and NC.

Just so people would understand what clash this is. :>

that has been requested alot, and i am looking into it when i find the time, but thats not the highest place on my priority list

Rover Vitesse
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:15:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 13/04/2010 01:20:08
Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
I'm mainly just disappointed that a group of people trying to provide a professional service would act in such a biased way, I mean the name aside, the NC is shown as red and the SC is blue.



I notice you have an issue with the colours, and am not sure what this would be in an Eve context. Are you upset that Red = Amarr or Blue = Caldari ?

Are you British; upset that this is politicised and Blue = Conservative or Red = Labour ?

I am assuming that you are upset that Red = Warsaw Pact (which hasn't been a threat to your western decadence for almost twenty years) and NATO = Blue ? If this is the case then I suggest you take your prejudicial outrage elsewhere.

Just as a point of interest, until the 1950s the UK used Red for British Forces (what else considering the colour of the Army!) and only switched when it became clear that the Warsaw Pact were the "new enemy".

To get round the issue of upsetting ex-WP forces now within NATO, it is becoming trendy to use Orange as Enemy Forces. Perhaps the Dutch don't get offended.

Meno, I expect you're the same type of person who gets upset when those boards used in classrooms are called a Blackboard.


You serious?

Perhaps you are, well there is this game called 'EvE Online' or 'Internet Spaceships' or 'Lag Online' or 'Session Timers Online' and there is a thing called the standings system. In this 'Standings System' there is a way to make those on your side, or aligned to you appear 'Blue' and those against you or your enemy 'Red'. If your interested they do 15 day trials.

Seriously though, the blackboard has been oppressed by the evil whiteboard for too long.

@peter - I therefore DEMAND that NC be set pink, and no I'm really not joking.




I didn't automatically assume that; you're the one who is moaning about colours in the first place and you have the temerity to ask me if I am serious? Give your head a wobble mate, it's only a game, no need to get upset about colours is there?

Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:45:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Grigo
Originally by: Ba'Rumph

So, you're saying that the killboards that this board draws it's stats from are inaccurate? It's a simple database, you know. If you feel that your mathematical and statistical know-how surpasses that of the admins of the stat-feeding killboards, feel free to take it up with them. This aggregate killboard just compiles the stats that the other killboards lists.

just off the top of my head i can point out at least 4 large errors that the killbord you are pulling information from has. coming here and whit the "here are the exact stas" and then going "feel free to take it up with them" is not the way to do stuff
Just try to remove a fake mail and see what happens whit the stats(alliance/corp/personal), and how fast it is reposted from rss feed.

Originally by: Ba'Rumph

It's spelled "whine", and yes, you do have a reason to whine. This aggregate killboard competently dispels the myth that the NC is winning.


lol ok if u say so btw what are the lottery numbers as apparently u have a very evolved sence to see the future and read people minds. and the killbord stats that u have presented are only part of the actual story, but i dont aspect anything more from someone that is
1) red
2) very active CAOD poster

i do not see your point as checking WN and CO2 KB i have found just a couple of km's from SC , no large battles, and whit the active campaign from CO2 and molles's speech there is no doubt they are on your side. but then again i will have more luck reasoning whit a wall then you aparently.
Originally by: Ba'Rumph


My RL background tells me that you're wrong.


my 13 years of back end web developing and 2 master degrees in mathematics and computer engineering say otherwise. but o wait i am only trained to code smart software i have no idea of kb's....right?...right?

Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
@peter - I therefore DEMAND that NC be set pink, and no I'm really not joking.
i second that


Wat?

Regulottus
Gallente
Neptune Research Corporation
Posted - 2010.04.13 23:53:00 - [140]
 

Has TRAPS stopped pvping and turned into a forum-warrior corp??
Looking at your corp killboard you guys seem to have died.

Vuk Lau
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:03:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:09:47
Edited by: CBBOMBERMAN on 13/04/2010 11:06:04
funny the whining. Laughing

Well how can the NC expect to be wining if they are on the defence all the time? They dont even attack their enemy POSs. They are loosing the eco war alredy. Surelly they can see that loosing the eco war in EVE is loosing the war! It will happen the same as with the Pathetic Legion. Keep loosing moons then demoralized then move to empire space. Is anyone sees this pattern yet?

At the end of all it does not really matters how many ships are killed or not (exception would be to kill 300 + capitals would slow down the advance)...What matters is that you dont loose the eco war. Once you loose that, the stampeed begins...Surelly they are clever enough to know that?


I always respect such masterminding from Quantum Forge high ranked tacticians as they are well known for their deep insight into 0.0 high politics and military maneuvers.

Reverand Pastor
Caldari
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:04:00 - [142]
 

This is EXACTLY why ccp doesnt make kb's for conflicts. This thread is still going to just watch everyone hang themselves. A perfect example of inmates trying to run the assylum. Props to CCP you sly dogs you.

Dr Ngo
Amarr
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:28:00 - [143]
 

People need to stop talking about the 'eco war' like both sides don't have isk coming out of their collective asses. Nobody is shooting pos's to deprive the other side of their income, it's to disrupt their infrastructure. The fact remains that the losses on both sides so far are pretty much chump change to these guys.

BlueMajere
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:36:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Dr Ngo
People need to stop talking about the 'eco war' like both sides don't have isk coming out of their collective asses. Nobody is shooting pos's to deprive the other side of their income, it's to disrupt their infrastructure. The fact remains that the losses on both sides so far are pretty much chump change to these guys.


you're literally the biggest noob in eve. hue hue.

Ba'Rumph
Caldari
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:41:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Regulottus
Has TRAPS stopped pvping and turned into a forum-warrior corp??
Looking at your corp killboard you guys seem to have died.



When did we ever pvp?

And we like to call it a "hiatus".

Anikadir
Minmatar
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.14 00:44:00 - [146]
 

tl;dr

Can someone whip up a nice PowerPoint presentation with all of the items bullet pointed? A nice graph or two would be good but don't overdo it.

I'll read it after I JC back down south to play with my caps. Laughing

lokiish
Amarr
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.04.14 04:56:00 - [147]
 

Wow, I'm an NC'er and we are getting the exact opposite numbers that you SC'ers are... just sayin


Thunder1971
Caldari
NailorTech Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.14 10:08:00 - [148]
 

ROFL I really enjoy reading threads like this one.
No doubt that economics at a certain point will have a serious influence on any conflict.

TBH I don't go into this too much...at the end of the day I'm having loads of fun doing ****loads of pewpew.
Finding excuses for the wife so we can stay at home and I can be on the next CTA.
Or if I don't have any other choice, sit on my laptop in the caravan at the holliday park with a cellphone connection.
Praying that I won't lose connection while repping our fleet.

But yeah spaceship games are serious bussines uh? lol

Here's to loads of lagless GF!!

T

Le Cardinal
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.04.14 10:29:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Murauke


not really since the re-calibration passive income has been drastically reduced, what has taken a hit though is SOV so with all the systems that all the SC hold thats a financial drain too. In my opinion, poses are being popped on both sides the more the SC take the more they have to do to keep them fueled thats a eco strain.... like i said i have no emotional attachment to this game, i've learnt that alliances come and go, space is taken and then lost and then retaken 12months later under a new name all that matters is the name on the tin.

The only winner at the moment is CCP and the ship manufactures because i sure hope they are learning a lot from the massive lag and grid load issue's.


Where have we heard this before? Oh thats right, PL: "HAhaha take those moons if you like. They wont be worth anything in a couple of weeks!" " haha, you keep losing more than those moons gives back" "haha we didnt want that space anyways, oh wait"

senecti
Minmatar
UK Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.04.14 12:23:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: senecti on 14/04/2010 12:27:55
Edited by: senecti on 14/04/2010 12:23:31
So how does this work then ? if you got on most of the crusaders boards their KD ratios are far lower than those on the NC's boards but somewhere along the way the crusaders gained loads.

Also if the mail needs to be posted on both boards how does that work when for example atlas today have had 17 losses according to eve-kill yet only 1 has found its way onto atlas's board. Also if you look at the day before atlas lost 3 and half pages worth but they only posted 7 on their boards.




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