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Rayborn
Posted - 2010.04.21 03:37:00 - [271]
 

WOW, impressive set up. but wondering if you really can get any fun out of this.
I seriously doubt anyone will want to do this unless they are pro-isk farmer and selling the isk they make. but i might be wrong=P

Lady Aja
Posted - 2010.04.21 05:03:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Rayborn
WOW, impressive set up. but wondering if you really can get any fun out of this.
I seriously doubt anyone will want to do this unless they are pro-isk farmer and selling the isk they make. but i might be wrong=P


So many of you guys think this is such a great setup.

I for one do not believe it could EVER work.

Cellotape to hold 6 mouses together?

no apparent usage?

no video showing proof this works?

its a 100% bull**** excuse to get around " i aint marcoing mr gm.. "

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.04.21 06:26:00 - [273]
 

Quote:

. I no longer use Synergy or even mine. I can understand how seeing 12 ospreys mining would cause players and GM's to assume the worst. Now I'm training exploration to hopefully do some complexes.



You should be beaten with a spiky stick for wasting money and resources to mine with 12 ospreys instead of proper ships.

GM Lelouch


Game Masters
Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: GM Lelouch on 18/02/2013 08:29:22
Addendum by GM Lelouch:
This post was originally written almost three years ago and as software/hardware evolves, so must our stance on what goes within our game. It has become increasingly difficult for us to track the capabilities of various pieces of software over the years as their number, as well as the features they offer, increase greatly in number.

In other words, it is unfortunately impractical for us to evaluate whether specific pieces of software can be used without breaking EVE's EULA/ToS. This post should not be taken as endorsement for utilizing specific pieces of software/hardware with EVE, but as a guideline to what is acceptable.

Our general stance towards the concept of multiboxing has not changed but we cannot guarantee that the EULA is being upheld should you use any of the software/hardware mentioned by name in this post, nor will we at EVE customer support be able to officially endorse or sanction specific third party multiboxing programs.

Players wishing to multibox are responsible for familiarizing themselves with our EULA and Terms of Service, the following clauses in particular are of much relevance to this topic:

EULA:
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

ToS:
21. You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.

The old, out of date, post can be seen below as it originally appeared:

"Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter."

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.04.23 18:30:00 - [275]
 

Thank you for a very concise clarification. :)

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.04.23 19:42:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
its a 100% bull**** excuse to get around " i aint marcoing mr gm.. "

Indeed, OP was in Tourier local yesterday, I was impressed how he managed to jump all 14 ships out of system within one second using that mouse setup.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.04.23 20:21:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Lady Aja
its a 100% bull**** excuse to get around " i aint marcoing mr gm.. "

Indeed, OP was in Tourier local yesterday, I was impressed how he managed to jump all 14 ships out of system within one second using that mouse setup.
It's funny how 2 posts after we get an official response in the thread stating that g15s and synergy are allowed, people are already complaining that the OPs setup couldn't possibly work, given that we now know it's a moot point because he's allowed to use synergy anyway.

Also even without any sort of setup like the OPs it's easy to get ships to jump together. Warp to gate and turn the autopilot on for all characters. Every jumps at the same time, but then I'd not expect anyone still arguing over whether or not the OPs setup is legit after a senior GM (thanks Lelouch :D ) has already declared the point moot to be able to figure out how to make several ships do something in unison.

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2010.04.23 22:32:00 - [278]
 

Edited by: EdwardNardella on 24/04/2010 04:43:18
Quite a timely post Mr. GM I got a petition response at the same time. Now I have to start looking for software to do this. I run six clients on one PC with two displays.

I tried PwnBoxer but instead of handling the clients it handles their splash screen. KeyClone was too complex for my abilities gonna try again tho. MouseClone works but it has some bugs that make it almost useless.

Anyone know of others?

[Edit] Got keyclone working, but it only works for a click or two then you have to toggle the broadcasting with a hotkey for it to work again. Also cant set the speed. AND it doubleclicks sometimes.

Still no luck with pwnboxer.

Panic Merchant
Posted - 2010.05.09 02:59:00 - [279]
 

Hmmm, at work I have access to an old, unused 64 node cluster. We made some specialized electronics that can duplicate the signal from a mouse and a keyboard, so we can send the same commands to 64 nodes at once. The same setup also shrinks down the displays so they can easily fit into a smaller number of displays. Maybe I should setup 64 accounts and zap the life out of EVE...

Is this allowed CCP?

Hehe, with that number I could probably make a frigate gang and roam around ganking other gangs on my own :)

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.05.09 23:57:00 - [280]
 

wait, wait


So this means that if one of your ships gets pointed, you all end up being locked down, right?


hmmmmmmmmm

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.05.10 03:28:00 - [281]
 

Maybe it's just me, but I would've spent that money on a prostitute.

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2010.05.10 05:12:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: Panic Merchant
Hmmm, at work I have access to an old, unused 64 node cluster. We made some specialized electronics that can duplicate the signal from a mouse and a keyboard, so we can send the same commands to 64 nodes at once. The same setup also shrinks down the displays so they can easily fit into a smaller number of displays. Maybe I should setup 64 accounts and zap the life out of EVE...

Is this allowed CCP?

Hehe, with that number I could probably make a frigate gang and roam around ganking other gangs on my own :)


I am pretty sure it is. You could easily get fresh 64 trial accounts to a total of 2k dps would be awesome.

Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente
Vauryndar Dalharil
Posted - 2010.05.10 08:53:00 - [283]
 

That guy has got the money to pay for 64 accounts, and the hardware to run it on. EVE is so unfair. Or was it life? Or was my life EVE? Seriously, go and quit.

Also, you can't run multiple trials from the same ip address.


Grantara
Posted - 2010.05.10 10:54:00 - [284]
 

This is incredibly sick.

Go see a therapist.

iP0D
Posted - 2010.05.10 11:05:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: GM Lelouch

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.



That is still a bit confusing. Sending commands via software to multiple clients is allowed, but this must be done manually and not in an automated manner.

The clinch with multiboxing is the simultaneous manual control over multiple clients. That is where guys like the OP get their advantages from, yes it is a manual interaction but one only focused on a single client, the software then broadcasts that simultaneously to other clients so all operate in an accelerated format in a synchronised manner.

What you're saying now, is that the concept of broadcasting in multiboxing software, to simultaneously control multiple eve clients through broadcasting your manual actions on one client to the other clients in realtime, is allowed. Regardless of whether achieved through software like Synergy with broadcasting enabled, or mousecloning software.

That's a recipee for disaster imo. You're giving carte blanche to multi account owners to accelerate their effective gameplay through such software.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.05.10 13:24:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: iP0D
Originally by: GM Lelouch




That is still a bit confusing. Sending commands via software to multiple clients is allowed, but this must be done manually and not in an automated manner.

The clinch with multiboxing is the simultaneous manual control over multiple clients. That is where guys like the OP get their advantages from, yes it is a manual interaction but one only focused on a single client, the software then broadcasts that simultaneously to other clients so all operate in an accelerated format in a synchronised manner.

What you're saying now, is that the concept of broadcasting in multiboxing software, to simultaneously control multiple eve clients through broadcasting your manual actions on one client to the other clients in realtime, is allowed. Regardless of whether achieved through software like Synergy with broadcasting enabled, or mousecloning software.

That's a recipee for disaster imo. You're giving carte blanche to multi account owners to accelerate their effective gameplay through such software.
Multi-account owners alreadyhavea huge advantage over those that only have one, because even if you spend billions fitting out a ship, more often than not 2 t2 fits of the same ship will outperform it, and the problem scales up with numbers. But eve is not fair, nor has it ever been. Those who have t2 BPOs have a huge advantage over those who don't, and those who've been playing long enough to get limited edition ships and modules also have one. Such is eve, get over it.

Also, how many people do you think there are out there who do what the OP here does? It's hilarious, but not exactly something I'd be worried about becoming a common practice, because with 14 accounts, you spend what, 3-4bil a month worth of plexs to keep them active? If I were able to spend the cash needed to fund 14 accounts on eve every month, I'd already be playing in an accelerated manner, just because of the sheer amount of isk I could make by selling GTCs.

Tiberizzle
Posted - 2010.05.16 18:39:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: GM Lelouch
Edited by: GM Lelouch on 23/04/2010 15:52:45
Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support


hate to bump this but wow

sudden outbreak of common sense

I was hopping mad when I heard this guy got banned for using Synergy and started to wonder if there was a full brain between the entire GM staff, now I suspect there might be.

Jovian Dax
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.05.16 18:57:00 - [288]
 

hey help a small guy out that only has one laptop and one char. some isk a char hell even another computer this game is big enough come help the little guy

Slavemaster
Posted - 2010.05.16 19:09:00 - [289]
 

Man, forget the "get a life" comments... This is pure awesome, and yeah I wanna have a setup like that...
.... Now just get 14 girls at the same time, then you might win Life...

Happy hunting trooper

Regards
SM, born 03.

Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
Posted - 2010.05.16 21:52:00 - [290]
 

Multiboxing: God awful from a gameplay standpoint, allowed solely because it brings in extra revenue.

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.05.16 22:12:00 - [291]
 


Elldranga
Posted - 2010.05.17 04:26:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: GM Lelouch
Edited by: GM Lelouch on 23/04/2010 15:52:45
Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support



I just gotta say thanks... it's not often we get a clear concise statement like this that actually addresses all the details we're concerned about. It's much appreciated GM Lelouch.

GauteGodager
Posted - 2010.05.17 16:43:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: Ulviirala Vauryndar
That guy has got the money to pay for 64 accounts, and the hardware to run it on. EVE is so unfair. Or was it life? Or was my life EVE? Seriously, go and quit.

Also, you can't run multiple trials from the same ip address.




Trials limitation is checked on client to see if you already have Eve running, not on Eve servers by comparing IPs (CCP isn't stupid, it would suck hardcore if you couldn't start playing at the same time than your wife/GF, roomate, brother, ...)

Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Posted - 2010.05.17 17:03:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Ulviirala Vauryndar
Also, you can't run multiple trials from the same ip address.




Yes you can, the limit is one per machine, not IP address. If you have 64 computers, or 64 virtual machines even, you can run 64 trial accounts. The way it works is when the eve client goes to log in it checks to see if the account logging in is a trial or if any clients are already logged in with a trial, and cancels out there, it is not related to IP at all.

Zhek Kromtor
Posted - 2010.05.18 14:15:00 - [295]
 

Thank you GM Lelouch for clarifying the rules it is much appreciated. Also thanks to GM Krymus who did eventually respond to my petition, apologized and expunged the 3-day ban from my record. I'm very impressed by the CCP employees in the way they rectified this.

As for the "slipperly slope" arguments, seriously, good luck trying to play 6 at once let alone 64. Nothing works exactly how you want it and you are constantly having to switch to single systems in order to correct things.

I take no offense to the "get a life" comments. My grandmother and I just finished a project that utilizes the laundry chute as a means for deliverying hotpockets fresh out of the microwave to me in the basement. I ring a bell and a few minutes later she drops a hot one down the chute. Believe me, I've got the life.

Zak'eni
Revolutionary Socialialist Party of Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.25 11:38:00 - [296]
 

Zhek you rock, I hope you get back to goonwaffe and have some fun.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2010.05.25 11:59:00 - [297]
 

I saw you on gate the other day with your ravenswarm. Quite a sight :)

khazak mokl
Amarr
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.05.25 14:11:00 - [298]
 

Wow
Many thanks for the pics as I can now show them to my girlfriend and prove that I do not have a EVE addiction. Or if I do its so not as bad as urs lol.
+100 points for genius getting it all to work and for building ur own monitor frames ect.
I bet its a site to see in action.
How much isk do your mining fleet make an hour just for lols?

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.09 04:09:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: Ekrid on 09/06/2010 04:10:18
proof that CCP is ******ed. This is a COMPLETELY MECHANICAL SETUP TO MACRO.

So they're using a mechanical means to get the same advantage as a piece of computer software, but without raising the red flag and so on.

Also, its all just for show. Does CCP really indorse this horse**** based on a mere picture? Shouldnt a CCP built it themself and find out if it works. Seriously.

If it does work, its just a non-computerized way to input mass amounts of commands from a single mouse button.

Muddy Miner
Gallente
Tiny Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.09 06:41:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Zhek Kromtor
Here's the site explaining how I have more computers than friends:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/


OCD Much??


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