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Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:09:00 - [1]
 

"A POOR Russian genius, who could be the world's cleverest man, says he does not need the $1 million prize for solving one of the hardest problems in mathematics. "

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/maths-genius-grigori-perelman-refuses-1m-prize-for-solving-poincare-conjecture/story-e6frf7jx-1225844306582



I take my hat off to this man. His perspective towards the world is truly humbling.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:28:00 - [2]
 

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Neighbour Vera Petrovna said: ?I was once in his flat and I was astounded. He only has a table, a stool and a bed with a dirty mattress which was left by previous owners - alcoholics who sold the flat to him.?We are trying to get rid of Cockroaches in our block, but they hide in his flat.?
Sounds like he has some form of aspergers that is getting worse that is killing off his social tendencies for extreme focus on mathmatics. Get than man some treatment stat!

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:32:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 23/03/2010 17:36:30
that's interesting.

a 3 dimensional space without holes is a streched sphere then.


more interestingly, what made such researcher withdraw from the field?

Originally by: Zeba
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Neighbour Vera Petrovna said: ?I was once in his flat and I was astounded. He only has a table, a stool and a bed with a dirty mattress which was left by previous owners - alcoholics who sold the flat to him.?We are trying to get rid of Cockroaches in our block, but they hide in his flat.?
Sounds like he has some form of aspergers that is getting worse that is killing off his social tendencies for extreme focus on mathmatics. Get than man some treatment stat!


probably not?

Originally by: Wikipedia, so yeah, grain of salt
As of the spring of 2003, Perelman no longer worked at the Steklov Institute. His friends are said to have stated that he currently finds mathematics a painful topic to discuss; some even say that he has abandoned mathematics entirely. According to a 2006 interview, Perelman is currently jobless, living with his mother in Saint Petersburg.

Although Perelman is quoted in a The New Yorker article that he is disappointed with the ethical standards of the field of mathematics, the article implies that Perelman refers particularly to Yau's efforts to downplay Perelman's role in the proof and play up the work of Cao and Zhu. Perelman has said that "I can't say I'm outraged. Other people do worse. Of course, there are many mathematicians who are more or less honest. But almost all of them are conformists. They are more or less honest, but they tolerate those who are not honest."[6] He has also said that "It is not people who break ethical standards who are regarded as aliens. It is people like me who are isolated."

This, combined with the possibility of being awarded a Fields medal, led him to quit professional mathematics. He has said that "As long as I was not conspicuous, I had a choice. Either to make some ugly thing or, if I didn't do this kind of thing, to be treated as a pet. Now, when I become a very conspicuous person, I cannot stay a pet and say nothing. That is why I had to quit." (The New Yorker authors explained Perelman's reference to "some ugly thing" as "a fuss" on Perelman's part about the ethical breaches he perceived.)


matter of ethics?

now that's.... quite an interesting issue actually.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:39:00 - [4]
 

He prolly nerd raged about something at work and got teased for it, damaged his psyche and he went off the deep end, isolating himself from the outside world and ended up in the circumstances he's in now.

A lot of super intelligent people have very similar problems. I know a guy that worked on the ARPANet back in the day that eventually went nutty and now lives in a YMCA, barely able to afford to feed himself. The guy is a genius, just lost his **** at one point.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:48:00 - [5]
 

@Grimpak. Apergers can come in many forms that can 'worsen' over time in that it changes how you view and relate to the world around you as you slide deeper and deeper into whatever singular purpose drives you. So as his mathmatical focus increased his social functions decreased to the point he was unable to relate and so 'loses his faith' in the process. Also aspergers is not a bad thing to have as some of the most creative people in the history of man have been diagnosed as having aspergers. That it is bandied about as a deragatory term here in eve is due to the copius amount of 'juvenile arsehat syndrome' that plauges the forums. Razz

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.23 17:49:00 - [6]
 

Eventually he shall return from his self-exile, and alas the glorious union shall live again.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.03.23 18:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Zeba
@Grimpak. Apergers can come in many forms that can 'worsen' over time in that it changes how you view and relate to the world around you as you slide deeper and deeper into whatever singular purpose drives you. So as his mathmatical focus increased his social functions decreased to the point he was unable to relate and so 'loses his faith' in the process. Also aspergers is not a bad thing to have as some of the most creative people in the history of man have been diagnosed as having aspergers. That it is bandied about as a deragatory term here in eve is due to the copius amount of 'juvenile arsehat syndrome' that plauges the forums. Razz
hmmm... well that is a point of view. indeed the man mighty suffer from Aspergers.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.03.23 18:35:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 23/03/2010 18:37:47
I have grown a beard in the past 2 weeks and consequently have found i have a better grasp of maths Wink

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.03.23 18:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vogue
Edited by: Vogue on 23/03/2010 18:37:47
I have grown a beard in the past 2 weeks and consequently have found i have a better grasp of maths Wink


I can confirm this...
I recently shaved my beard and am now having trouble concentrating and understanding what I'm doing at work :(

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.23 19:01:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45
Originally by: Grimpak
hmmm... well that is a point of view. indeed the man mighty suffer from Aspergers.
To be fair it might be some other mental health issue but one thing is for certain: You don't go from noted mathmatical proffessor to self imposed hermit who lost his faith in society over something small. That his colleages were baffled at what has caused his sudden withdrawal to his current condition is what reminded me of the classic aspergers symptoms. When he was focusing on that problem his brain was actively rewriting over other portions of his brain normally reserved for other functions so it could continue to function on the problem at hand. But once rewritten those areas need to be similarly stimulated to be back to the old functions. Hence the 'worsening' condition in rare cases. Tbh aspergers syndrome is a fascinating study that is getting more and more attention now that they can do active maps of your brain activity when doing tasks. If you like to know how genius works I highly reccomend reading up on it in detail. Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time. This was basically letting them perform tasks for a few minutes like counting exactly how many dots are on a page that was shown to them for a fraction of a second or even quickly performing complex maths in their head that took them severak mintutes with a pen and paper before. However in these cases the 'overwritten' parts of the brain quickly recover their old functions unlike the aspergers cases. edit, sorry about wall of text but my ps3 browser refuses to recognize page breaks..

Omgah
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
Posted - 2010.03.23 19:19:00 - [11]
 

I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.23 19:33:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Omgah
I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have.
Wat? Noone here is claiming to have aspergers. Its simply an option in his case due to the circumstances and bits of his social life that were given. Looks like we might have a case of juvenile arsehat syndrome in the thread now though. Smile

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.03.23 19:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Omgah
I sick of people claiming assburgers as the source of all their social woes. I like losers that just accept being a loser rather then blaming a medical condition that they don't have.


Didn't you hear? Math makes the world go 'round, if you have the magic then there is no reason to not prosper in this world, if you know math and still fail I'd say there are other things at work here. Math is the win button after all.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.03.23 20:37:00 - [14]
 

There is no way to tell whether he has aspergers or not. Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society.

Why this guy declined to accept 1 million dollars is unknown, but it should not be a reflection of any kind of developmental disability he may or may not have.

Speculation doesn't ask for kind criticism.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.03.23 20:47:00 - [15]
 

mebes he likes living with roaches Very Happy

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:00:00 - [16]
 

Discussion about eccentric genius doing eccentric stuff devolves into flame war about poorly understood & severely stigmatized mental disorders. Hold on a sec, I need to make some popcorn for this!

adfadfadfawe
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:04:00 - [17]
 

This is an interesting letter written on behalf of Nikola Tesla. It seems like brilliant men tend to die angry and alone.

SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:06:00 - [18]
 

Sorry to say this, I just don't get idiots like him. Such genius going to waste, he could put his gift to work for the betterment of us all. You don't have to be in some limelight to be famous. Kind of like finding the cure to cancer and then locking yourself up in the basement.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:09:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society.

No they don't. They tend to wallow away at deviantart with their furry erotica yaoi stories. Laughing

(But seriously, how did someone pick the fact he may have aspergers from this?)

Originally by: Kessiaan
Discussion about eccentric genius doing eccentric stuff devolves into flame war about poorly understood & severely stigmatized mental disorders. Hold on a sec, I need to make some popcorn for this!

Oh, and don't forget to note that aspergers is now a sub-form of autism. That definitely fuels the fire.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:32:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
There is no way to tell whether he has aspergers or not. Normal people have aspergers, they function as normal contributors to society.

Why this guy declined to accept 1 million dollars is unknown, but it should not be a reflection of any kind of developmental disability he may or may not have.

Speculation doesn't ask for kind criticism.


I can understand why he didn't want the money, he stated it quite plainly as well.

He doesn't want to be a circus attraction as is so common now a days. People just relish the idea of pointing out other's flaws whenever they end up in the spotlight. I'm sure it has something to do with him realizing he doesn't exactly behave in a manner that is "socially acceptable" and probably has quite a bit of contempt for modern society. He probably doesn't want to deal with all the salacious stories that will be made up about him in order to ride the coat tails of his "fame", hence his statement "I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo."

I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is.

Muscado Mestica
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:37:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45
Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time.


     If possible, how can I find out more about this? It grabbed my interest, but I haven't found anything about it from searches.

     Thank you!

adfadfadfawe
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:41:00 - [22]
 

I think you are oversimplifying the situation. Geniuses throughout history have tended to be socially inept and suffered from mental illness. Name any brilliant person that comes to your mind and you will find a genius that would have gone unrecognized had there not been someone there to help save it. If we are the ones with the most to gain from this man, then we have the most responsibility to help save him.

Originally by: SeismicForce
Sorry to say this, I just don't get idiots like him. Such genius going to waste, he could put his gift to work for the betterment of us all. You don't have to be in some limelight to be famous. Kind of like finding the cure to cancer and then locking yourself up in the basement.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:52:00 - [23]
 

its sad people have lost thier moral compasses lately

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.03.23 21:55:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is.

Okay I'll play ball. What do you think Asperger's is?

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.03.23 23:04:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Barakkus
I'm curious how you figure someone is normal when they are diagnosed with a condition that is considered a psychological abnormality? I'm not so sure you even know what asperger's really is.

Okay I'll play ball. What do you think Asperger's is?


It's considered a form of high functioning autism without the linguistical development problems, usually more social ineptness and lack of ability to have empathy towards people they interact with, in addition to sometimes displaying "clumsy" behavior. People with asperger's generally get obsessive over stuff, which generally renders them socially inept since they usually focus most of their interaction with others based on the subject matter they obsess about. It's not as common in adults due to people "growing out of it", or is misdiagnosed as depression, OCD or ADHD.

M'ktakh
Posted - 2010.03.23 23:08:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Muscado Mestica
Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 23/03/2010 19:02:45
Hell one scientist using all the new data on aspergers has figured out a way to use magnetic induction to 'switch off' portions of a brain for a short duration and let other areas use the freed up 'bandwith' to make leaps of intelligence in a normal person at the cost of other things like physical reaction time.


     If possible, how can I find out more about this? It grabbed my interest, but I haven't found anything about it from searches.

     Thank you!


+1.

Also, to the person writing that geniuses die alone and anrgy: No ****, Sherlock. Go spend a day with people 20-300 IQ points and 10 years of education beneath you. To even your run-of-the-mill genius, every ****ing day is like that.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.03.24 02:10:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
It's considered a form of high functioning autism without the linguistical development problems, usually more social ineptness and lack of ability to have empathy towards people they interact with, in addition to sometimes displaying "clumsy" behavior. People with asperger's generally get obsessive over stuff, which generally renders them socially inept since they usually focus most of their interaction with others based on the subject matter they obsess about. It's not as common in adults due to people "growing out of it", or is misdiagnosed as depression, OCD or ADHD.

Way to paraphrase Wikipedia :P

Right. Asperger's is a form of high functioning autism (+1 for you), but it isn't so much about a lack of empathy in all cases. More often than not, it involves an inability to understand certain social nuances that most would take for granted. For example, body language or non-direct statements that are used to tell people something sometimes often are not interpreted correctly from the person with the disability.

It's fascinating though, because though the person can be highly talented and can learn things at a remarkable pace, they often do not share the standard learning practices that their peers do. So it puts the person with the disability at a disadvantage, because they may not fully grasp the fundamental mechanic of "this is how you're supposed to get here," instead thinking "but I got here, right?"

Overstimulation can cause a breakdown of a person with Asperger's, where a normal person can filter things out to focus at the task at hand. This causes the person with the disability to become loud, obnoxious or even attention-seeking. Mostly this is because they have no way to channel it, so they have to become involved somehow with the stimuli to filter it properly. This is where you find people with Asperger's often taking control of conversations, or talking over people.

Socially, it's a different ball of wax. As I said earlier there are nuances of social interaction most would understand that the person with the disability cannot fully grasp. This separates them from groups because rather than being able to just go with the flow they require special explanations of what is generally understood. They also fixate on things, not able to let go when the conversation has moved on. Processing thoughts takes time and can cause a delay in response so that others are dragged behind by persons with the disability.

Overall, people with Asperger's are incredibly intelligent and capable of much. They are able to take on something new and understand every little detail of their passion. When it comes to more rote and mundane tasks however they become disinterested, and unable to comply with normal routines. They favor complexity instead of simplicity and it can often undo them in the long run.

How do I know so much about this? Because I have experience with it first-hand. Trust me, there are dozens of people you may know with Asperger's. That doesn't make them any less of a person. In fact, it may enrich both your life and theirs with ideas and thoughts that some may never thought of. It's just how one sees it, I guess.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.03.24 03:18:00 - [28]
 

I simply called aspergers because it fits the limited info available from the op's link. Like siig said someone with aspergers can function normally for years until the situation arises that puts them into overload which by all accounts is what happed to the poor guy. To the others in the thread having aspergers is nothing to worry about in the vast majority of cases as its simply another common disorder that sometimes manifests itself in seemingly negative ways with the lack of social functions that 'normal' people can't seem to be sympathetic enough to work around. As far as the scientist with the magnetic induction experiment I saw it on a discovery channel show about autism and aspergers. Yeah yeah I know to take that stuff with a grain of salt but it seemed quite believeable as I'm not exactly a noob where human behavior study is concerned. Razz I'll see if I can track down the show and get the name of the scientist for the pooh poohers in the crowd.

Nebulous
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.03.24 06:53:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Nebulous on 24/03/2010 06:53:45
Ignoring the whole "mental health" part of this discussion, if you look back through time you will find that many medical/scientific masterminds were not motivated by profiteering. Einstein, Fleming and Da Vinci to name a few.


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Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.03.24 11:40:00 - [30]
 

One other thing that could be a factor in some cases is that as you get older you come to care less and less about societies bull ****, especially if you are a fairly intelligent person.

It's boring for really intelligent people to be around average people. The average person is simply incapable of holding up their end of the conversation. The intelligent person has to spend a great deal of personal time and energy conveying even simple topics to people who don't know how to use their minds but merely blather on about what someone else told them, parroting whatever the common knowledge of the day is.

As intelligent people get older - some of them just get tired of all that crap. The average person to them simply isn't worth fooling with and they don't have the time or energy to expend being polite to people who simply aren't their intellectual equals.

So - they withdraw from common society and common society, incapable of realizing that it is to boring and stupid to put up with labels them hermits or malcontents.

A lot of old people get a reputation for being cranky - because they're to tired to put up with all the social politeness that goes on. Most people talk - not to exchange information - but rather to exchange feelings ... most of which is "I'm one of the cool people. You're one of the cool people. Isn't it great to be one of the cool people - not like all those other people who aren't cool like us?"

For an old, smart person who's been listening to that crap - and being put down by the kind of people who utter it since they were children - what the hell do they need to have anything to do with those people for anyway? Younger people - even younger intelligent people - tend to have a need for others to be in their lives. They need to feel loved and wanted - and they want to get laid. After decades of putting up with society in order to try and get that - and getting none of it - they finally get tired of it and blow society off.

Then society starts treating them like there's something wrong with them - when all that has happened is - they've gotten tired of putting up with societies bull ****.

I mean ... think about it ... by definition - half of society is below average intelligence - and the average isn't all that high.

*shrug*

One of the things Einstein used to do was to simply deny he was Einstein to people who stopped him on the street wanting to talk to him. He was probably fairly polite to the first several dozen but after a while it just tires a person out and it was easier for him to say that "Oh! I'm sorry. People are always confusing me with that Mr. Einstein fellow," and then just go on his way, rather than yell at them "STFU and leave me alone damn it!"





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