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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.19 13:46:00 - [241]
 

I wanted to address a few things brought up in a previous post from the standpoint of a Noir grunt and not as a member of our leadership element. In my short time with Noir I have found the corp to be one of the most enjoyable to fly with, and yet also the most difficult and strict. There is no quarter given to pilots that fail to meet up to our standards, and even less to those that violate the bylaws they agreed to follow from day one.

Our killboard and contract history,

Our killboard only displays the current contract on the front page for the sake of simplicity and to make it easier for our current employer to check on our progress. We are on contract and getting paid at least 90% of our time, and it's much easier to gauge our performance on a contract by contract basis while using this KB stats method. The other reason for this is that Noir pilots are paid based on their kills and activity within contract while operating inside the contract area. Seeing as we do not get paid for incidental kills outside the scope of a contract, it would make payroll fairly difficult if we had to sort through a list of intermingled contract and non contract kills.

You can see our total losses simply by clicking the contracts button on the top of the KB then selecting past contracts. None of this info is hidden and likewise it is available for anybody to check at any point in time. You can also just keep clicking previous week from the main page to see the stats on a week by week basis. This is why our KB's front page lists the current week in bold just above the stats corresponding to that week. That way, there is no confusion that the stats listed on the front page are from that week only.

Though as I mentioned above, you can see our past kills/losses by cycling through them with the previous week button.

While fair, Alek is extremely strict and not the easiest CEO to work under for the more casual of Eve players. With good reason, pilot's are booted from Noir with a frequency that may surprise anybody outside the corp. It is rare that anybody gets a second chance unless their offense is something extremely trivial.

I only bring up the above point because of the mention that we may not post all of our loss mails. Not posting, or in any way hiding a loss mail is one of the things that can earn Noir pilots a one way ticket out of the corp. This is something that Alek is a real stickler on, and even goes as far as to encourage non Noir entities to bring any related concerns to his immediate intention. Any Noir pilot that is found to have intentionally hidden a loss will be dealt with appropriately.

If you browse through our previous contracts you will find that the vast majority of them represent a stellar performance history. You will also find a few that for various reasons failed to meet up to the standards that Noir strives for. If we really wanted to hide our losses, or fabricate a fictional kill/loss ratio, then do you truly think we would leave those public for anybody to see?

Hiding losses would stand in direct contrast with the ideals and esprit de corps mindset of all those who operate under the NMG banner. It is a practice that is shameful, and otherwise frowned upon by each and every one of my fellow Noir pilots.


Our gang type specific ship fittings,

That Tengu fit is tailored in specific to one of Noir's gang types. Falcons however do not meet the fitting requirements involved in this particular fleet composition. There are various reasons surrounding this choice of fitting, and I'm not sure if I am allowed to divulge them here on the forums.

Though keep in mind that we do fly Falcons and in our more traditional gang types. And the same goes for Tengu's in terms of a more standardized fit.

Wai Ish'inre
Posted - 2011.02.19 15:05:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
A whole lot of words to say:

Blah Blah Blah, We're Not Api Verified

Blah Blah Blah, We Don't Post Our Losses ALL the Time.


JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.19 15:51:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 19/02/2011 16:00:41

No we post all our losses.... But on the front page you only see the current weeks kills/losses.

If somebody is going to post accusations and not bother reading my post explaining certain things, then oh well. *shug*

As for being API verified... I was wondering why Alek was asking on vent last night how he would go about setting up the API verification on our KB. Then I saw this thread and figured this must be why. We had a fairly old version KB until only a few weeks ago.

Wai Ish'inre
Posted - 2011.02.19 17:00:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
Edited by: JC Anderson on 19/02/2011 16:00:41

No we post all our losses.... But on the front page you only see the current weeks kills/losses.

If somebody is going to post accusations and not bother reading my post explaining certain things, then oh well. *shug*

As for being API verified... I was wondering why Alek was asking on vent last night how he would go about setting up the API verification on our KB. Then I saw this thread and figured this must be why. We had a fairly old version KB until only a few weeks ago.


Just saying, I find it rather humorous that Noir.; a group that thinks so highly of themselves hasn't done this already, yet feels the need to post podcasts pointing out the faults of others.

Having a Non-API Verified Killboard makes anything you say easily discreditable, and until it is verified (kills AND losses) how does a client actually know what he or she is paying for? The ruthless slaughter of ones contracted enemy should be as efficient and as unenjoyable as possible for the mark.

I don't care how you display your contract info, but if its not verified its entirely subjective to how NMG. wants it to look, and can easily be tailored to follow this idea.

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.02.19 17:43:00 - [245]
 

faceless alt is faceless

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.19 17:45:00 - [246]
 

This is the reason why most people dont really take Noir. seriously.

No API = fail.


Wai Ish'inre
Posted - 2011.02.19 20:06:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
faceless alt is faceless



The powers that be didn't want to listen to a certain member of Noir. ***** and moan.

Hallan Turrek
Caldari
The Outlaws.
Split Infinity.
Posted - 2011.02.19 20:44:00 - [248]
 

A corp such as Noir. has many enemies, of course. There wouldn't be a need for anonymity(or obvious sock puppeting) if you weren't a party Noir. was hired to hit in the past.

Go back to the shadows.

As former leadership in Noir, I can attest that posting every killmail/lossmail is a duty and requirement. You do it or you get kicked, there are no other options.

Honestly, as someone who's been in both types of corps, I find the culture inherent to API verified killboards appalling. There's something more worthy about posting your own losses rather than having something do it for you.

Regardless, this is Noir, hire them and stuff. You will not be disappointed.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.02.19 21:10:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Attention duelists! My hair draws your attention to the fact our alliance logo is finally in the game! Or at least it's on EVE Gate and will be in the game shortly. Only took six petitions over the course of a year and half..


It is awesome ... congrats


Nexty Pwnt
Gallente
Dominion Research
Project Unconquerable
Posted - 2011.02.19 23:02:00 - [250]
 

Gratz on logo guys

shameless bump for a great group

my alter ego bono says "come pew rvb again Cool"

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.20 16:31:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 20/02/2011 16:43:13
Originally by: Lana Lotts
This is the reason why most people dont really take Noir. seriously.


indeed. after all, we're not good enough to even some guy get a domain to express his love to us anyway.

edit: gooddamn CCP's censorshipugh

Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2011.02.21 06:30:00 - [252]
 

Edited by: Fifinella on 21/02/2011 06:30:31
Originally by: Grimpak
indeed. after all, we're not good enough to even some guy get a domain to express his love to us anyway.

edit: gooddamn CCP's censorshipugh


Here you go. :)

Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.02.21 07:29:00 - [253]
 

I came here for ****posting and was not let down.

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.21 12:00:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Hallan Turrek


As former leadership in Noir, I can attest that posting every killmail/lossmail is a duty and requirement. You do it or you get kicked, there are no other options.

Honestly, as someone who's been in both types of corps, I find the culture inherent to API verified killboards appalling. There's something more worthy about posting your own losses rather than having something do it for you.



This is a troll, right? I mean, no one can say this and get away with it.....
Noir. doesnt use API-killboards. Theyre afraid. End of story.

Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2011.02.21 14:25:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Noir. doesnt use API-killboards. Theyre afraid. End of story.


End of your interpretation of the story.

For someone using an alt to post on the forums, you're pretty brave talking about fear. One thing I doubt Noir. isn't afraid of is forum alts whining because they got whupped by Noir. in the past.

Now is the time for you to devastate Noir.'s morale by pointing them to any losses they haven't posted. I'll hold my breath until you do.

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.21 14:28:00 - [256]
 

Edited by: Lana Lotts on 21/02/2011 14:32:27
None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot.

Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits.

Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard.

P

Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2011.02.21 14:49:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts
None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot.

Of course not. And obviously you know several people who's Noir. kills have gone unposted.

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits.

Like the ones discussed in, let's see, oh right; In the previous page of this very thread?

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard.

Again, people have given reasons not to use API in this very thread. You might not like the reasons, or think they're good reasons, but they're still reasons.

A merc corporation that doesn't use API verification on their killboard, yet is not inundated in failfit/lolloss postings on these forums, seems to be doing something right. Do you seriously doubt for a minute that if Noir. failed to post losses, they wouldn't be beset upon by their current/past butthurt targets pointing out each one in excruciating detail?

I'd say not using API is actually a very good accounting practice for a merc corp. Their reputation being one of their most important assets, non-API KB forces them to stay honest to the T, or face the consequences.

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.21 15:05:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Fifinella
Originally by: Lana Lotts
None of my chars have ever been killed by a Noir. pilot.

Of course not. And obviously you know several people who's Noir. kills have gone unposted.

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Im just stating the obvious; No API-verified killboard equals scared of showing losses/fail fits.

Like the ones discussed in, let's see, oh right; In the previous page of this very thread?

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Most people know this. There are no reasons not to have a killboard API-verified. Come on, a merc-killboard without API is pretty much a worthless Killboard.

Again, people have given reasons not to use API in this very thread. You might not like the reasons, or think they're good reasons, but they're still reasons.

A merc corporation that doesn't use API verification on their killboard, yet is not inundated in failfit/lolloss postings on these forums, seems to be doing something right. Do you seriously doubt for a minute that if Noir. failed to post losses, they wouldn't be beset upon by their current/past butthurt targets pointing out each one in excruciating detail?

I'd say not using API is actually a very good accounting practice for a merc corp. Their reputation being one of their most important assets, non-API KB forces them to stay honest to the T, or face the consequences.


Thanks for your insightful post on why Noir. doesnt have API-killboard. Basically what youre saying in the end is (and im not putting words in your mouth) Noir. does not post losses because their most valuable asset is the reputation. Fair enough, so it is a game of deception to get jobs which does not reflect their current level of competence. Im okay with that. But you saying this forces them to stay honest to the T, is so laughable not even Karl Pilkington would dare to say anything remotely close to that.

API-verified killboard is the only way to show your clients how the war is actually going. Its respecting your clients, and showing them they get bang for the bucks. Im sure they have had happy clients before, but its deceptive. If youre afraid of giving intel, hide the systems where kills/losses have occured.

Based on what you said it is becoming more clear that Noir. bases their operation on keeping up with appearances than with how they are actually performing.




Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2011.02.21 15:22:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts
TBasically what youre saying...


No.

Basically what you're saying I'm saying is not what I'm saying.

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.21 15:33:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Fifinella
Originally by: Lana Lotts
TBasically what youre saying...


No.

Basically what you're saying I'm saying is not what I'm saying.


Interesting.

Noir. does not post losses since this may conflict with their reputation. Got it.


Aerion Va'rr
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.21 16:43:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Fifinella
stuff


I think not having an API Verified Killboard as well as not being API Verified on Eve-Kill.net or Battleclinic is denying the client who is paying you to kill people the transparency in what they are getting for their money. I can see Alek's idea behind making it mandatory to post your losses under heavy dire consequences if you don't post your losses, but this isn't an honorable game to begin with. Saying you are 100% accountable for your corp mates is damn near shooting yourself in the foot.

Lying and Stealing have become a norm in this game, and I personally believe it promotes a hypocrisy on the side of Noir.. Claiming to be the best in the business and proving it are hardly the same thing. Reasons not to do something or prove something might be just in the eyes of you and yours but to everyone else it just looks like an excuse. Present the Facts or present nothing.

I'm actually surprised that a group of Mercs as involved in the community isn't API verified; as much as they like to throw their opinions around about everyone else in the Merc. community.




Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.02.21 17:53:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Trolls!
Accusations, ass-umptions, no proof


...quite funny.

If Noir. had any problem getting clients or a poor reputation with those clients, this might be worth arguing about.

As it is, your trolling just serves to bump their thread with your jealousy, butthurt and fail accusations. Well done :)

Friendly bump for the day... LITERALLY! :)

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.02.21 18:09:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
This is where I try to sound intelligent.


Thank you for those lovely paragraphs, complete with lack of proof.

Pistrik
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.21 18:22:00 - [264]
 

Edited by: Pistrik on 21/02/2011 18:22:08
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: Fifinella
stuff


I think not having an API Verified Killboard as well as not being API Verified on Eve-Kill.net or Battleclinic is denying the client who is paying you to kill people the transparency in what they are getting for their money. I can see Alek's idea behind making it mandatory to post your losses under heavy dire consequences if you don't post your losses, but this isn't an honorable game to begin with. Saying you are 100% accountable for your corp mates is damn near shooting yourself in the foot.

Lying and Stealing have become a norm in this game, and I personally believe it promotes a hypocrisy on the side of Noir.. Claiming to be the best in the business and proving it are hardly the same thing. Reasons not to do something or prove something might be just in the eyes of you and yours but to everyone else it just looks like an excuse. Present the Facts or present nothing.

I'm actually surprised that a group of Mercs as involved in the community isn't API verified; as much as they like to throw their opinions around about everyone else in the Merc. community.






I both stopped reading as well as caring at that point right there. Battleclinic can and never will be taken seriously, considering it's record of people posting fake killmails that were "API Verified".

Pitboss, I really expected better. Thought you had a better control on the stupidity of some of your members.

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.02.21 18:31:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Pistrik
Edited by: Pistrik on 21/02/2011 18:22:08
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Originally by: Fifinella
stuff


I think not having an API Verified Killboard as well as not being API Verified on Eve-Kill.net or Battleclinic is denying the client who is paying you to kill people the transparency in what they are getting for their money. I can see Alek's idea behind making it mandatory to post your losses under heavy dire consequences if you don't post your losses, but this isn't an honorable game to begin with. Saying you are 100% accountable for your corp mates is damn near shooting yourself in the foot.

Lying and Stealing have become a norm in this game, and I personally believe it promotes a hypocrisy on the side of Noir.. Claiming to be the best in the business and proving it are hardly the same thing. Reasons not to do something or prove something might be just in the eyes of you and yours but to everyone else it just looks like an excuse. Present the Facts or present nothing.

I'm actually surprised that a group of Mercs as involved in the community isn't API verified; as much as they like to throw their opinions around about everyone else in the Merc. community.






I both stopped reading as well as caring at that point right there. Battleclinic can and never will be taken seriously, considering it's record of people posting fake killmails that were "API Verified".

Pitboss, I really expected better. Thought you had a better control on the stupidity of some of your members.


It's because of Battleclinic that I even brought this up. I noticed that a lot of kills and losses hadn't appeared on the website after I saw Alek's Tengu loss being commented on on Battleclinic. As I said, I flew with Noir.. I know how the killboard operates. I used the "Search" function and it showed nothing of the Archon loss or the Tengu loss, and that is when I came to the forums to ask WTF.

Seriously, the entire thing was meant to be a question. It was not meant to be a troll (though after Alek's instant "lawl troll" accusation, I'm glad someone's doing it). I had nothing but respect for Noir., but the actions of a few people here have dampened that.

Aerion had a good point: Noir. makes it their business to get into the business of other mercenary corporations and alliances, while simultaneously trying to either hide, or otherwise not inform the general public, of something that might "sting" the reputation.

If it's true that Alek wanted to know how to make an "API-verified" killboard a few minutes after I posted, then good to go. But it should have been done to begin with. You might claim Battleclinic is "renowned" for fake KMs being posted, but is it worse than making sure you can hide losses that might be lawlworthy? I've been harping on about how mercs need to be trustworthy in order to get contracts coming in. If you can't be trusted to show all your kills/losses, then you can't be trusted to get the job done.

By the way, it's not hard to doctor a killmail for a killboard that isn't linked to other KBs. Stop paying lip service and start doing.

Aerion Va'rr
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.21 19:02:00 - [266]
 

Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 21/02/2011 19:08:03
Originally by: Pistrik
I both stopped reading as well as caring at that point right there. Battleclinic can and never will be taken seriously, considering it's record of people posting fake killmails that were "API Verified".

Pitboss, I really expected better. Thought you had a better control on the stupidity of some of your members.


The argument is still valid, that Noir. as confessed by its own members isn't API Verified; and that there are infact clients that are not impressed with the service they paid for, that was later denied, only to have their carriers annihilated by the people that NMG. was contracted to kill (read: Crushall) who failed at doing so, and didn't offer a refund; instead tried to recruit said person.

This isn't an attempt at trolling; this is just personal curiosity sparked by a group of people that take a game so serious, as to post a podcast about their own opinions of the Mercenary community via bi-weekly/monthly podcast and yet don't have a verified killboard.

I am also not defending battle clinic (even though you can dispute a fake kill, mail a moderator, and they will manually pull your kills/losses and recalculate your stats if you can take 5 minutes out of your busy shiptoasting schedule), its worthless for the most part; but can be cross examined against other killboards; like the previously mentioned EvE-Kill or your own alliance killboard to verify fact.

While NMG. has an impressive campaign history, its credibility is in question.

Like I said, Excuses. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm asking you to prove that your not one.



Pistrik
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.21 19:42:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Pistrik on 21/02/2011 19:44:12

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

Snip


I'll break it down point by point here. I'll say at the beginning that all the opinions here are my own (trust me, it's better this way) and that I'm only posting our of boredom. Otherwise this would never dignify a response:

A) You've obviously never flown with us, either in corp or with another corp as neither I nor anyone else in corp recognize you. If, by some magical reason, you DID fly with us then you should know we aren't the type of people to do what you're saying. Nor do you obviously know how our KB works, as someone posted above (in a post you blatantly ignored) exactly how things work with our KB, as well as showing the two losses that were just as blatantly showing on our KB.

Not sure if you believe it or not, the whole "post KMs or you get booted" is a very real thing. WHETHER you believe it or not, noone really cares.

B) "Aerion had a good point: Noir. makes it their business to get into the business of other mercenary corporations and alliances, while simultaneously trying to either hide, or otherwise not inform the general public, of something that might "sting" the reputation." - Not quite sure where you are getting this from, as Noir. doesn't get involved with other Merc corps/alliances. And from last I checked, we have cordial relations with every corp in the merc channel... minus the moron you have been saying has a good point. Making things up doesn't make them true, no matter what others say.

As for Aerion himself, considering he's only been in Orphanage for about three months (and his corp just joined late last year) I'm not inclined to give a **** about anything he professes to know in regards to the merc business.

C) You "agree" with me battleclinic being notorious for posting fake killmails, yet you attempt to accuse us of lying and cheating for not using such a "reputable" service (lol) and agreeing with others that, goddamnit, Noir. needs to use these two killboards or they're lying cheating scumbags! Regardless of the fact noone takes battleclinic seriously! Regardless of the multiple years of service we have in the mercenary world! WE MUST BE TEH LYING AND TEH CHEATING!

Oh, and you harping on about mercs needing to be trustworthy? Considering the fact you've corp hopped more times in the past year than any 3-4 characters in any other corp combined, I'm disinclined to actually care about your opinion especially when you question an alliance that has been doing this work for years. Your vaunted battleclinic record is about as stellar as your corp history.

In short, we have years of reputable service and excellent members backing us up. We have a reputation as a top flight merc corp spanning those years and the respect of our peers (barring one douchebag). We have never had any complaints (aside from people we've butthurt), and none especially from any of our contractors.

You, on the other hand, have a pathetic corp history. You claim to know things you have no clue about (flying with us? knowing how our killboard works? Claiming we need BATTLECLINIC of all things to be reputable in a profession that requires trust above all others?). You blatantly call us liars when, as said before, you have no experience in mercenary work... which must mean you know EXACTLY how it works. You know, not withstanding that trust is the biggest thing in this line of work. The line of work we've been in for years?

In closing,

You be trolling (badly) brah. Noone truly cares about your opinion. You can have one, but noone actually cares.

Noir. will still get our contracts, still reliably fulfill said contracts in our customary trustworthy manner, and go on about our business. You will most likely be forgotten in a week's time and only be remembered as a troll who tried to bomb our thread.

Win win for everyone eh?

Pistrik
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.21 20:00:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 21/02/2011 19:08:03
Originally by: Pistrik
I both stopped reading as well as caring at that point right there. Battleclinic can and never will be taken seriously, considering it's record of people posting fake killmails that were "API Verified".

Pitboss, I really expected better. Thought you had a better control on the stupidity of some of your members.


The argument is still valid, that Noir. as confessed by its own members isn't API Verified; and that there are infact clients that are not impressed with the service they paid for, that was later denied, only to have their carriers annihilated by the people that NMG. was contracted to kill (read: Crushall) who failed at doing so, and didn't offer a refund; instead tried to recruit said person.

This isn't an attempt at trolling; this is just personal curiosity sparked by a group of people that take a game so serious, as to post a podcast about their own opinions of the Mercenary community via bi-weekly/monthly podcast and yet don't have a verified killboard.

I am also not defending battle clinic (even though you can dispute a fake kill, mail a moderator, and they will manually pull your kills/losses and recalculate your stats if you can take 5 minutes out of your busy shiptoasting schedule), its worthless for the most part; but can be cross examined against other killboards; like the previously mentioned EvE-Kill or your own alliance killboard to verify fact.

While NMG. has an impressive campaign history, its credibility is in question.

Like I said, Excuses. I'm not calling you a liar, I'm asking you to prove that your not one.





1. The argument is still valid, that Noir. as confessed by its own members isn't API Verified:

Why would we feel the need when we have such stringent contingencies in place to take care of any mails unposted, be they killmails or lossmails? There was no confession, merely the statement that we have other ways of handling it.

2. I personally have no clue what you're talking about in regards to Crushall(?) or any sort of carriers. I do know that we have never failed at a contract in the way you are stating. Nor do I remember ever having an employer ask for a refund in the year plus I've been with Noir. Post your sources.

3. We don't need to prove ourselves to you. We've already proven ourselves to the rest of the community at large through years of service. So no, our credibility is not in question. Perhaps our credibility with YOU, but I'm quite sure noone cares about that.

4. Any why would we use a worthless (your words AND mine), questionable killboard to crosscheck anything? That's like saying I should have a five star chef and some hillbilly out in the middle of the woods make the same dish, and then use the hillbilly to "crosscheck" the chefs just to make sure it's actually what I asked them to make.

Considering you're new to the merc life, I'm not exactly sure where you're going on about pulling credibility on a corp that's been around so long. My personal opinion about you? You're trolling (badly, as the other guy). I can't explain it any other way, as I can't see how a new member from another reputable merc alliance would have any other reason. You don't have the experience to do it otherwise.

As I said before, Pitboss needs to get a handle on his new members.

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.21 20:00:00 - [269]
 



Holy Batman, the emo is strong in this one.

Lots of text, anger....


but still no API-verified killboard.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.21 20:39:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts


Holy Batman, the emo is strong in this one.

Lots of text, anger....


but still no API-verified killboard.


ok


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