open All Channels
seplocked Crime and Punishment
blankseplocked Noir. Mercenary Corporation
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 5 6 7 8 9 [10] 11 12 13 : last (13)

Author Topic

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.02.21 21:51:00 - [271]
 

Quote:
I'll break it down point by point here. I'll say at the beginning that all the opinions here are my own (trust me, it's better this way) and that I'm only posting our of boredom. Otherwise this would never dignify a response:


...What? "I don't care. If I did I wouldn't respond, but I will respond because I don't care and that makes it okay." You are truly a testament to the public education system.

Quote:
A) You've obviously never flown with us, either in corp or with another corp as neither I nor anyone else in corp recognize you. If, by some magical reason, you DID fly with us then you should know we aren't the type of people to do what you're saying. Nor do you obviously know how our KB works, as someone posted above (in a post you blatantly ignored) exactly how things work with our KB, as well as showing the two losses that were just as blatantly showing on our KB.


Guys, there is no way in hell this could be an alt or something. And before you tell me to "poast with mah main", I am going to tell you to get off your fat arse and look around, because I've posted my character names before. It might require you to do a little searching and put in a bit of effort.

Quote:
B) "Aerion had a good point: Noir. makes it their business to get into the business of other mercenary corporations and alliances, while simultaneously trying to either hide, or otherwise not inform the general public, of something that might "sting" the reputation." - Not quite sure where you are getting this from, as Noir. doesn't get involved with other Merc corps/alliances. And from last I checked, we have cordial relations with every corp in the merc channel... minus the moron you have been saying has a good point. Making things up doesn't make them true, no matter what others say.


I'll just remember that next time someone posts that "X merc corp doesn't do as promised!" followed by a member of Noir. promising to "look into it" and kick them from the Merc channel.

Quote:
C) You "agree" with me battleclinic being notorious for posting fake killmails, yet you attempt to accuse us of lying and cheating for not using such a "reputable" service (lol) and agreeing with others that, goddamnit, Noir. needs to use these two killboards or they're lying cheating scumbags! Regardless of the fact noone takes battleclinic seriously! Regardless of the multiple years of service we have in the mercenary world! WE MUST BE TEH LYING AND TEH CHEATING!


Actually, I was making the point that your killboard isn't API-verified, and it doesn't "connect" to either Battleclinic or any other killboard service, thus making anything you don't post harder to find. You can say you posted the mail, but the truth is that unless the item makes it's way to EvE-Kill or Battleclinic, no one will know, because only the "current contract" is on the front page. And if those mails were posted right after the battle, then it's probable that your Search function is set to screen searches, or is corrupted as neither showed when I looked for them. As I said, I didn't just run to the forums, I did my own investigating.

Quote:
Oh, and you harping on about mercs needing to be trustworthy? Considering the fact you've corp hopped more times in the past year than any 3-4 characters in any other corp combined, I'm disinclined to actually care about your opinion especially when you question an alliance that has been doing this work for years. Your vaunted battleclinic record is about as stellar as your corp history.


Translation: I have no way to dispute this, so I am going to attempt t nit-pick your corp history! Ha! There we go, I am so much better than you for having bee in fewer corporations!

Quote:
You be trolling (badly) brah. Noone truly cares about your opinion. You can have one, but noone actually cares.


Protip: People who don't care don't usually write out multi-paragraph responses that drip of emo and butthurt.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:04:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 21/02/2011 22:05:29
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr

The argument is still valid, that Noir. as confessed by its own members isn't API Verified; and that there are infact clients that are not impressed with the service they paid for, that was later denied, only to have their carriers annihilated by the people that NMG. was contracted to kill (read: Crushall) who failed at doing so, and didn't offer a refund; instead tried to recruit said person.



I found this the most interesting part of the post since it named names. If a client has been unimpressed with our service in that past couple years they have not made it known to me or the EVE public.

Also, we have never taken a contract against any corp or alliance "Crushall" has been a member of since that character was created so whichever carrier loss you're butt hurt over had nothing to do with us heh.

Arnt facts inconvenient when you're bad at trolling?

EDIT: As for our podcast, if you dont like how we cover the news make your own

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:08:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Arnt facts inconvenient when you're bad at trolling?


When you start providing some we might be willing to agree. Until then, the trolling appears to be winning.

Aerion Va'rr
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:58:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde


I found this the most interesting part of the post since it named names. If a client has been unimpressed with our service in that past couple years they have not made it known to me or the EVE public.

Also, we have never taken a contract against any corp or alliance "Crushall" has been a member of since that character was created so whichever carrier loss you're butt hurt over had nothing to do with us heh.

Arnt facts inconvenient when you're bad at trolling?

EDIT: As for our podcast, if you dont like how we cover the news make your own


The Crushall Scenario was the "Primary the Rupture" incident, I don't recall the names of the characters you were hired to represent, and I honestly wouldn't bring it up if a corpie didn't have your corpse in his hanger Very Happy.

Since you obviously don't understand what 'Trolling' means and have it all mixed up and confused for 'Civil Argument', I refuse to waste anymore time trying to refute the jibberish your lemmings are spewing all over the forum. Instead, remain quite satisfied that your reputation in my eyes isn't nearly as credible as you'd like it to be, not to mention having a history doesn't immediately result in respect or quality in all cases.

Regardless as to what you may think, understand or have heard; there are people that think your rubbish, which they are entitled to do. Unfortunately the only thing in question now is your professionalism. Since, if its contrary to the beliefs of the mighty NMG. its 'MUST BE TROLL!'.

TL;DR Free Bump for an otherwise un-credible service. Punching in an API key is apparently far beyond the 'Elite' of the mercenary community Rolling Eyes

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:47:00 - [275]
 

Quote:
Instead, remain quite satisfied that your reputation in my eyes isn't nearly as credible as you'd like it to be



aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:54:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Actually, I was making the point that your killboard isn't API-verified, and it doesn't "connect" to either Battleclinic or any other killboard service, thus making anything you don't post harder to find. You can say you posted the mail, but the truth is that unless the item makes it's way to EvE-Kill or Battleclinic, no one will know, because only the "current contract" is on the front page. And if those mails were posted right after the battle, then it's probable that your Search function is set to screen searches, or is corrupted as neither showed when I looked for them. As I said, I didn't just run to the forums, I did my own investigating.


post the results then. if said lossmails aren't in our board, then they should be in some other corp's board as killmails no?

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:12:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
You are truly a testament to the public education system.


Insults - you must be butthurt.

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

Guys, there is no way in hell this could be an alt or something. And before you tell me to "poast with mah main", I am going to tell you to get off your fat arse and look around, because I've posted my character names before. It might require you to do a little searching and put in a bit of effort.


Nobody else cares how butthurt you are, but out of curiosity I looked you up. Former Noir. Academy for 2 weeks, Quendishir. First assumption that comes to mind is you didn't make the cut - ergo butthurt. You were on a total of 5 kills all on 9/10/10 with them. (Hey look, search function works on Noir's KB :) )

Originally by: Azelor Delaria

Actually, I was making the point that your killboard isn't API-verified, and it doesn't "connect" to either Battleclinic or any other killboard service, thus making anything you don't post harder to find. You can say you posted the mail, but the truth is that unless the item makes it's way to EvE-Kill or Battleclinic, no one will know, because only the "current contract" is on the front page. And if those mails were posted right after the battle, then it's probable that your Search function is set to screen searches, or is corrupted as neither showed when I looked for them. As I said, I didn't just run to the forums, I did my own investigating.


Not very well you didn't - Searching for those kills turns them up pretty handily.

And I'll say this - even if a killboard *IS* API verified, what does that mean? Slap a .gif on the KB that says "API Verified!" - what have you proved? If you doubt that a kill/loss was posted, you still have to search other boards for evidence of it. Then you post, like you did, an accusation of missing kills, and then Alek comes back, like he did, saying "Nope, sorry, you fail - here's the link to those exact kills on our board."

Same scenario, same results.

Quote:
Protip: People who don't care don't usually write out multi-paragraph responses that drip of emo and butthurt.


We all see you're butthurt - but why does Noir. care if you care? And why did you go to great lengths to insinuate you flew with Noir. but didn't want to offer proof? Seems shady to me.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:20:00 - [278]
 

In other news, http://eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_8&page=2great article from EVE Tribune on PR and relationship building in EVE :)

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:58:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
In other news, http://eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_8&page=2great article from EVE Tribune on PR and relationship building in EVE :)


Yes, we know you put ALOT of effort into PR-work while your members try to keep up with your constructed "reputation". While other mercs let the killboard speak for themselves, you are very active in keeping up appearances.

I find it funny that 0rphanage is bashing you in this thread btw. Their reputation of manipulating losses is well known.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.22 17:49:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
In other news, http://eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_8&page=2great article from EVE Tribune on PR and relationship building in EVE :)


Yes, we know you put ALOT of effort into PR-work while your members try to keep up with your constructed "reputation". While other mercs let the killboard speak for themselves, you are very active in keeping up appearances.

I find it funny that 0rphanage is bashing you in this thread btw. Their reputation of manipulating losses is well known.


ok.

Hallan Turrek
Caldari
The Outlaws.
Split Infinity.
Posted - 2011.02.23 05:04:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: Lana Lotts
Yes, we know you put ALOT of effort into PR-work while your members try to keep up with your constructed "reputation". While other mercs let the killboard speak for themselves, you are very active in keeping up appearances.


You're doing this wrong. Namely: If you want to discredit Noir., the best bet isn't going to be unfounded insults to moral fiber or success. Noir. is pretty well protected against that due to their high moral fiber and unprecedented success.

So you want to stick to the "hur hur, the killboard isn't API verified hur hur," so there's a semblance of neutrality involved in your argument. Pretend like you're neutral, and wait till something shows up that supports your argument(a misposted killmail, a killmail that never generated, someone forgot), then screenshot it all, and parade it in the thread with "I never would've thought they'd do this, but look!".

That's the gold medal man, give up on the petty(but well formed) trolls. It's a waste of everyone's time.

In other news, hire Noir., you won't be disappointed. They do good work, and they're good people.

SpotlessBlade
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.02.23 12:44:00 - [282]
 

Came here expecting butthurt, was not disapponted. The honorable pilot from the Absinthe Brothers does indeed reek of sore rectum. But that is not why I am posting. I am posting because Hallan Turrek reeks of class.

Sorakage
Posted - 2011.02.23 14:15:00 - [283]
 

No proof of us being liars presented . Only see proof of incompetence in using search function and bitter people that didn`t make the cut posting with alts .
Also say what you like , I personally like going to post kills due to the pleasure of posting it and the humbling effect when posting losses .
In other news , I like seeing this thread on first page , please continue .

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2011.02.23 16:28:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: SpotlessBlade
Came here expecting butthurt, was not disapponted. The honorable pilot from the Absinthe Brothers does indeed reek of sore rectum. But that is not why I am posting. I am posting because Hallan Turrek reeks of class.


I see so many in Noir. quickly hiding behind the "You're butthurt!" or "You're a troll!" lines it's almost amusing. Well, it's about as amusing as the fact that you guys are quick to project the fact that you bite the pillow for your fathers. If you ask nicely, maybe he'll use some lube next time. :)

The truth is, Noir. was called out on something, and when it was found out that losses had been posted, Alek was quick to call out, "OMG TROLL!" without even thinking. I used the Search function. As I said, I'm not new to the whole Killboard thing. But Noir., who claims such a spotless reputation, doesn't use an API-verified killboard and instead expect every kill and loss to be posted. That reeks of wanting to hide things, no matter how you twist it.

Anything else?

Oh yeah!

u mad.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.02.23 16:58:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
stuff


You didn't do too well in debate, did you?

Lana Lotts
Posted - 2011.02.23 17:27:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: SpotlessBlade
Came here expecting butthurt, was not disapponted. The honorable pilot from the Absinthe Brothers does indeed reek of sore rectum. But that is not why I am posting. I am posting because Hallan Turrek reeks of class.


I see so many in Noir. quickly hiding behind the "You're butthurt!" or "You're a troll!" lines it's almost amusing. Well, it's about as amusing as the fact that you guys are quick to project the fact that you bite the pillow for your fathers. If you ask nicely, maybe he'll use some lube next time. :)

The truth is, Noir. was called out on something, and when it was found out that losses had been posted, Alek was quick to call out, "OMG TROLL!" without even thinking. I used the Search function. As I said, I'm not new to the whole Killboard thing. But Noir., who claims such a spotless reputation, doesn't use an API-verified killboard and instead expect every kill and loss to be posted. That reeks of wanting to hide things, no matter how you twist it.

Anything else?

Oh yeah!

u mad.


I approve of this message. Thanks to Azelor for keeping his cool and posting the truth.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.02.23 17:42:00 - [287]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 24/02/2011 21:31:40
Originally by: Lana Lotts
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
Originally by: SpotlessBlade
Came here expecting butthurt, was not disapponted. The honorable pilot from the Absinthe Brothers does indeed reek of sore rectum. But that is not why I am posting. I am posting because Hallan Turrek reeks of class.


I see so many in Noir. quickly hiding behind the "You're butthurt!" or "You're a troll!" lines it's almost amusing. Well, it's about as amusing as the fact that you guys are quick to project the fact that you bite the pillow for your fathers. If you ask nicely, maybe he'll use some lube next time. :)

The truth is, Noir. was called out on something, and when it was found out that losses had been posted, Alek was quick to call out, "OMG TROLL!" without even thinking. I used the Search function. As I said, I'm not new to the whole Killboard thing. But Noir., who claims such a spotless reputation, doesn't use an API-verified killboard and instead expect every kill and loss to be posted. That reeks of wanting to hide things, no matter how you twist it.

Anything else?

Oh yeah!

u mad.


I approve of this message. Thanks to Azelor for keeping his cool and posting the truth.
still waiting for the proof that we hide things, because beyond :words: I haven't seen anything else.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.02.24 02:21:00 - [288]
 

haven't mentioned i love lana lately, so yeah.

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.02.24 21:51:00 - [289]
 

I'm posting in here just... well... cuz I want to.

It's also kinda nice to see that people still whine about the Noir. KB not being API verified. Seriously folks... if they want to api it they will... if they don't that's their business. If you find kills that are missing let them know.

Never did understand why people get all but-hurt that their KB isn't api verified.

Some people api verify, some don't. Bottom line: It's their kb, not yours, and as long as their customers are happy your whining about their kb being api or not is just silly :)


Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2011.02.26 00:29:00 - [290]
 

Noir. is honourable corp of warriors not afraid of anything!

Rokaan
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:44:00 - [291]
 

Bump for a merc corp that gets the job done, no matter how long it takes and how much support is required.

We learned a lot from the campaign, thanks for the schooling Smile ..latest podcast is a good listen too.


Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.27 12:19:00 - [292]
 

I like cows Neutral



JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:38:00 - [293]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 27/02/2011 22:38:58
Originally by: Rokaan
Bump for a merc corp that gets the job done, no matter how long it takes and how much support is required.

We learned a lot from the campaign, thanks for the schooling Smile ..latest podcast is a good listen too.




Thanks man... You guys really were a pain(Good). ;) Not sure if the corp as a whole underestimated Oxide... But I sure did.

Nico13
Bunnie's Boys
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.02.27 23:57:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
I like cows Neutral





mmmmmmmm hamburger...

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.28 13:56:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
there are people that think your rubbish


you're.. unless you intended to talk about his rubbish, but then the rest of that sentence made no sense.

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:43:00 - [296]
 

POST THE MAILS. Show the public exactly how Noir. has been deceiving everyone. Go find all these mails that Noir. hasn't posted where they have lost ships to protect their efficiency.

I have never heard so much waffley faff as I have here.


JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.28 18:11:00 - [297]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 28/02/2011 18:11:57
Originally by: Hannibal Ord
POST THE MAILS. Show the public exactly how Noir. has been deceiving everyone. Go find all these mails that Noir. hasn't posted where they have lost ships to protect their efficiency.

I have never heard so much waffley faff as I have here.




Actually the funny thing is that the original mention of hidden loss mails related to something that an individual I am friends with messaged me about to make fun of.

That "hidden" Tengu loss is the one I am talking about. A week or so after the loss happened, Kovid from Reaper (At the time part of Rote K - They dont like us) trolled me with a "Ha ha your CEO lost his Tengu." message. Ever since I joined Noir, Kovid has been watching our KB so he can find stuff to poke fun at me about. In good fun though, as we are real life friends.

I guess Kovid just has some sort of magical ability to find loss mails after we have gone to great lengths to conceal them.

Detria
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2011.02.28 19:02:00 - [298]
 

I flew with NOIR. for a short time and personally I found them be a decent and honest group of people. The only incident that I personally remember of losses not being promptly posted was this guy:

linkage
(If the link get scrubs just up the Dead3y3 Sleipnir lose on noir's KB.)

This mail was not posted, I assume because of the way the culture within NOIR. has developed. Simply put, bad losses are frowned upon and if bad or frequent enough can easily get you kicked. I can see where this could lead to NOIR. members attempting to hide when they fail. In the above situation the mail was brought to the attention of NOIR. via the forums and was resolved quickly. The mail got posted and unsurprisingly the member was kicked. This of course reinforces a sub-culture of fear that exists in NOIR. ranks of screwing up and getting booted.

That being said if that is how Alek chooses to keep his troops in line so be it, he is in charge after all. I left NOIR. because their style of play did not gel with mine. I play EvE to hunt and find fights and win. For the most part I found that NOIR. plays to not lose. What that meant for me is that while in NOIR. I was not free to play the game how I wanted so I parted ways.

Is that bad? Not exactly. I think that NOIR's history and efficiency on the battlefield speaks for itself and when you’re a client looking for results, they provide them in a viciously efficient manner.

To that end while our play styles did not mesh I would still fight alongside many of them just as long as I don't have to listen to Nidia run his mouth on comms. The core of NOIR takes EvE very seriously being both respectful to the community and their enemies while displaying a level of in alliance organization the likes that I have not seen in any of the other groups that I have flown with.

Kill Em ALL
Dee

Nickhastapee
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.02.28 22:56:00 - [299]
 

**** *****es, get money.

Rokaan
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
Posted - 2011.03.01 23:28:00 - [300]
 

tl;dr: 2c !highsec=NBSI. Boards inaccurate? WHINE! pfft. Neut alts. HTFU /mo


My 2c:

This whole "your killboard is inaccurate 011001000111010101101000!!" rabble is ridiculous imo.

Of course it's inaccurate.

I'd be very surprised to find any Eve killboard that accurately represents kills and losses for a given campaign. Consider:

- The declared friendly combatants in any campaign are the members of a corp/alliance. Losses of out of corp/alliance supporting characters are not reported as a part of a campaign, and cannot be, as; killboard mechanics aside; maintaining their (however im-)plausible deniability is a tactical and strategic priority surpassing the need for accurate accounting of losses.

So losses reported are less than "actual" losses.

- In 0.0 space particularly: the apparently accepted practice is to target the space itself; rather than alliances and corps. This practice includes all neutral kills (or perhaps not so neutral - the targets almost certainly have ooc supporting characters too) as valid kills for the accounting of a campaign.

So kills reported are greater than "actual" kills.

How boards deal with friendly fire incidents is a mystery to me, I don't design killboards. If, by way of hypothetical example: an ooc hauler alt fails to correctly enter a POS field password and gets waxed by the (technically friendly) POS defences after bouncing off the shield is that a kill? A loss? Both, lol? Or should it be quietly ignored?

Another inaccuracy.

Has it ever been any other way? :P

Truth is the first casualty of war. (Widely attributed to US Senator Hiram W Johnson who in 1917 said: "The first casualty when war comes is truth." Digging a little deeper; it may be that senator Johnson read Greek drama, as Aeschylus, a Greek tragic dramatist 525BC-456BC, penned: "In war, truth is the first casualty.")

I think you should all move along, either choose something else to troll about or some other topic with which to bump the thread, depending on your affiliation. "You haven't posted X's lossmail, you losers!" Is of little statistical significance and is getting old to the point of growing whiskers.

/personal opinion

Rokaan
Director & sometimes diplomat
Dark Nebula Academy


Pages: first : previous : ... 5 6 7 8 9 [10] 11 12 13 : last (13)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only